Littleprince

原帖由 MSN04 於 2009-1-16 12:22 發表


Care to enlighten me? :p

sure, the house is not = heaven.

and further elaboration upstairs

Ultraman

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 09:40 發表
B 仔﹕

講個故事你聽﹕

從前有兩個人﹐行行下街見到有一間屋﹐門窗關閉﹐甲同乙講﹕“度窗閂得這麼實﹐裡面一定是賣毒品的”﹐乙不同意﹕“不然﹐應是亂交派對”﹐甲堅持地說說﹕“不會吧﹖亂交外面不是這樣子的﹐若不是賣毒品就一定是槍械集團 ...

Seems like many Christians are the ones who 固步自封 but not the non-believers.
Many non-believers have questions in mind and dare to ask out, yet they didn't find the answers so they choose not to believe in the religion (or not yet). However, once people believe and belong to that particular group, seems they forgot all about what they used to questioned before, and don't understand why non-believers have all those kinds of questions, and also ignoring all other possibilities but just to think that their believe is the only true.

B仔

小王子小姐，
你一開始就誤會我嘅出發點了。我所講嘅，係我所目睹的，係歷史記載的。我問的，係因為我有疑問，係因為你地個教有太多自我衝突。妳個故事，已經sterotype了路人甲同乙。講真，路見一間屋門窗關閉又咩咁出奇呢？當然係為防盜la! 邊有屋大開中門？你地歧視別人，莫怪別人有疑問囉，我覺得。

就返番topic咁講啦。 打個比喻：當你故事的那間屋係人生終點，打開門，點解一定要係天堂或地獄呢？點解唔好以接受人嘅終點就乜都終止呢？

Catpiano

接受人嘅終點就乜都終止 not = 人嘅終點就乜都終止 ar ma ...  

I want to 接受 when open my garage next morning .. NO more snow  .. but not = no more snow tomorrow ma ..

We always want what we want .. but not mean we can get what we want ar ma....

Littleprince

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-16 12:37 發表

Seems like many Christians are the ones who 固步自封 but not the non-believers.
Many non-believers have questions in mind and dare to ask out, yet they didn't find the answers so they choose not to believe in the religion (or not yet). However, once people believe and belong to that particular group, seems they forgot all about what they used to questioned before, and don't understand why non-believers have all those kinds of questions, and also ignoring all other possibilities but just to think that their believe is the only true.

大錯特錯。。。你的問題我未信的時候全都問過﹐過去千千萬萬基督徒未信時都問過﹐這一點都不是新的問題。。。只是大家態度不同﹐我們不是找不到答案就停下來﹐或者固步自封﹐選擇不信。。。反之﹐我們是踏出一步﹐敞開心懷﹐真正親身經歷神﹐當神的大愛臨到﹐你就明白到自己的渺小﹐而並不是仍然有問題未解答到就不信。。。

我們信的是﹕

1. 我信上帝，全能的父， 創造天地的主。
2. 我信我主耶穌基督，上帝的獨生子；
3. 因著聖靈感孕，從童貞女馬利亞所生；
4. 在本丟彼拉多手下受難，被釘在十字架上，受死，埋葬；
5. 降在陰間；第三天從死里復活；
6. 祂升天，坐在全能父上帝的右邊；
7. 將來必從那里降臨，審判活人，死人。
8. 我信聖靈；
9. 我信聖而公之教會；我信聖徒相通；
10. 我信罪得赦免，
11. 我信身體復活；
12. 我信永生。阿們！

我們信神的全知全愛全能﹐我們小小的腦袋當然不可能知道所有事 (例如苦難的問題)﹐我們是被造的﹐被造的能否挑戰造物者﹕你造的是甚麼呀﹖你為甚麼這樣做呀﹖為甚麼要造我呀﹖

我們有甚麼資格﹖我們的生命多麼短暫﹐在宇宙間連微塵都及不上。。。我只知道﹐當神進入我的心﹐我的生命改變﹐價值觀改變﹐人變得輕省快樂﹐罪不再轄制我﹐相反是我靠神管理一切﹐就像造物的最初。。。

我們還是討論天堂地獄吧。

[ 本帖最後由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 13:20 編輯 ]

Littleprince

原帖由 B仔 於 2009-1-16 13:09 發表
小王子小姐，
你一開始就誤會我嘅出發點了。我所講嘅，係我所目睹的，係歷史記載的。我問的，係因為我有疑問，係因為你地個教有太多自我衝突。妳個故事，已經sterotype了路人甲同乙。講真，路見一間屋門窗關閉又咩咁出奇呢？當然係為 ...

上面已解釋了﹐屋並不是說天堂地獄。

甲乙丙也並非 sterotype﹐而是表示一些不知內裡的人的隨便猜測論斷。

Littleprince

這樣說吧﹐信耶穌不是討論出來的﹐是要接受的。

所以再討論也是無益﹐大家下來的問題我不會再回應的了﹐謝謝~~~

Ultraman

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 12:16 發表


大錯特錯。。。你的問題我未信的時候全都問過﹐過去千千萬萬基督徒未信時都問過﹐這一點都不是新的問題。。。只是大家態度不同﹐我們不是找不到答案就停下來﹐或者固步自封﹐選擇不信。。。反之﹐我們是踏出一步﹐敞開心懷﹐真正親 ...

Do you believe in "ghost" (not spirit or holy spirit)? And are there ghosts in the world and around you all the time? Some people can give "proofs" to prove their believe is "real", just some people don't believe it. However, to believe in a religion is like "to feel" it and you'll believe, it's something very abstract like a mystery, people who believe think it's real because they can "feel it", people don't because there is no concrete scientific proof. Who's right and who's wrong, or both right or both wrong?

Ultraman

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-1-16 12:16 發表


大錯特錯。。。你的問題我未信的時候全都問過﹐過去千千萬萬基督徒未信時都問過﹐這一點都不是新的問題。。。只是大家態度不同﹐我們不是找不到答案就停下來﹐或者固步自封﹐選擇不信。。。反之﹐我們是踏出一步﹐敞開心懷﹐真正親 ...

Moreover, you ignore the possibility that some people tried hard in a sincere way to believe in this religion and attending to church and studied bible for many many years, but found out it's not as "real" as it claimed, and they couldn't "feel" its realness, and think all the God, bible, holy spirit... are all BS, so they decided not to believe it anymore. It's like, people won't know they're being cheated until one day they realized.

B仔

Littleprince,
我夠知個故事裡間屋唔係代表天堂／地獄囉～
所以我咪話，換個角度嚟打比喻用人的終點囉～ no conflict
同埋，點解妳要離開discussion? 我唔覺得我地傾得有D咩問題喎～

Catpiano,
喺你地教嘅眼中，係打開門就一係天堂一係地獄。
我講得好清楚，打開門可能係/者要接受乜都冇，而唔係好似你咁講，歪曲我意思，話打開門係一定乜都冇。請分清楚

[ 本帖最後由 B仔 於 2009-1-16 13:38 編輯 ]