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回復 10# peter236

So do you mean that HK government reacts too sluggish to the market?

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回復 7# Lik

If the hot monies last in the market for a while, what can HK government do to help the general public?
"Veni, Vidi, Vici"
竹乃清,竹乃霸道

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本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-4 13:29 編輯
When you don't know shxt, you should really just shut the fxxk up.

Major Canadian cities have a pr ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-4 13:06


Mr Lik when you first immigrated to Canada, your hot money also drove up real estate prices.

There are 250,000 immigrants to Canada, it is not fair to blame on the Chinese immigrants.

Mr Lik, please read and learn:

Chinese-Canadians and immigrants, not investors from China, largely driving market, experts say


Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/busi ... .html#ixzz1RAsLXuDF

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本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-4 13:32 編輯

Chinese-Canadians and immigrants, not investors from China, largely driving market, experts say

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/busi ... .html#ixzz1RAsnCF4v

By Brian Morton, Vancouver Sun June 11, 2011

A growing belief that Metro Vancouver's hot housing market is being driven by Asian investment, primarily from mainland China, is a misconception, according to experts in the real estate field.

In fact, they say, evidence suggests buyers are mainly Canadian citizens, immigrants or new residents in Canada -many with strong links to mainland China and many residing and working in China while their families establish roots in B.C.

Most purchases are also being made as long-term holdings - in some cases for children attending local universities -with little of the quick "flipping" prevalent in previous hot markets.

"From what we've seen from most of the major launches, it's a different buying habit than previous runs on the market," Jennifer Podmore, real estate advisory leader for accounting giant Deloite, said in an interview Friday. "Generally, we're not seeing the investor as the main drivers of the market. There are certainly a lot more Asian purchasers, but not Asian investors coming to purchase a condo and then leaving.

"Most [buyers] have strong ties to Vancouver, meaning they're Canadians, immigrants or live here," added Podmore.

Daryl Simpson, Bosa Properties' vice-president of sales and marketing, agreed, citing their 202-unit Sovereign tower in Metrotown that recently sold out in one day, largely to ethnic Chinese buyers.

However, it's incorrect to identify the buyers as mainland Chinese, he said, because most came from other parts of Metro Vancouver. Some may have connections with mainland China, but no more than "half a dozen buyers" had addresses outside Canada.

In 2010 B.C. received about 47 per cent of Canada's investor-class immigrants, who must show a net worth of at least $1.6 million and are required to make an $800,000 investment in Canada, Podmore added.

While Chinese immigrants to B.C. represented about 19 per cent of the total immigration, Chinese and Taiwanese investor-class immigrants represented 79 per cent of the investor category.

Podmore's and Simpson's comments follow a surge in investment, largely by ethnic Asian buyers with links to mainland China, that's branching out from Richmond and Vancouver's west side as buyers look to other communities.

Several condominium towers in Burnaby, including Sovereign, sold out quickly in recent weeks, mainly to Asian buyers.

"If you see the type of demand that we've seen on the west side of Vancouver and Richmond spread elsewhere, it will push up prices, but it's unlikely to have the same dramatic effect on prices because there's much more of a supply of units elsewhere," Tsur Somerville, director of the centre for urban economics and real estate at Sauder School of Business at the University of B.C., said, adding that it's hard to conclude mainland Chinese buyers are behind the sales.

Robert Dominick, vice-president of sales and acquisitions for WestStone Properties, said Asian buyers are fuelling sales at his 393-unit Surrey City Centre highrise, Ultra.

"We opened the door for [our most recent] sales two weeks ago. We didn't advertise and simply through phone calls to Asian realtors in our first week we generated 23 sales."

Dominick said some buyers showed up on buying trips organized by Chinese-based tour operators, but that most aren't interested in "flipping."

He said many buyers involve China-based husbands with family in Metro Vancouver, while some want a condo for their children attending the nearby Simon Fraser University campus.

Polygon Homes president Neil Chrystal said it's difficult to say how many buyers are mainland Chinese investors, adding that "we see a lot of people speaking Mandarin, which is an indication." He noted that south Surrey, north Delta and West Vancouver are becoming more popular with Asian buyers.

Chrystal said that while their Chancellor highrise and two other Burnaby towers experienced lineups of predominantly Asian buyers, "a lot of the people were locals looking to downsize."

Meanwhile, a recent Landcor Data Corp. report said many of today's Chinese immigrants arrive "with fortunes intact, especially in the Lower Mainland, eagerly buying their own bits of the good life and helping buoy up real estate prices."

The report looked at luxury home sales in Richmond and Vancouver, matching new owners' Chinese surnames to see how many purchasers were Chinese, with 74 per cent fitting the criteria in 2010.

A recent China Daily report said Chinese home buyers have become the second-largest group of international buyers of U.S. homes -after Canadians.

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回復  Lik

If the hot monies last in the market for a while, what can HK government do to help the  general public?
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-4 13:22

Re-starting the 居屋 market would be a great start. A problemwith the private construction industry right now is, the luxury market is the hot market to pursue right now because that's where the most money can be made. Because of this, construction firms have little incentive to build regular housing projects for regular folks -- each company only has so much resource, and that resource would be better spent on where the high margin profits lie. So few private projects that are affordable to the local HK folks are introduced. Supply gets pinched but demand is always there, and bingo -- Econ 101 tells you that the market price gets driven up.

By restarting the 居屋 market, the housing supply increases, and prices will ease. The tricky part is to introduce that new 居屋 supply in a reasonable manner that will balance the public's housing needs without triggering a massive fall-off-the-cliff type of housing market crash that would kill home owners. I am far less sympathetic towards speculators though. If it means the real estate price drop cuts into their bottom line a bit, so be it. A small scale recession is ok in my eyes if it means housing prices can be brought back to realistic levels. Large scale recessions are unacceptable because that would hurt the regular folks too much.

-Lik

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回復 14# peter236

We all know that BC housing is hot, we can have a new discussion on that in a new post.
Back to this post, what's your suggestions/opinions to the HOS flats HK government is proposing?
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回復 15# Lik

With nowadays HKers, do you think they can understand/accept what you meant by "recession"?
"Veni, Vidi, Vici"
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Mr Lik when you first immigrated to Canada, your hot money also drove up real estate prices.

There are 250,000 immigrants to Canada, it is not fair to blame on the Chinese immigrants.

Mr Lik, please read and learn:

Chinese-Canadians and immigrants, not investors from China, largely driving market, experts say
peter236 發表於 2011-7-4 13:24

Moron,

The difference is, back when I first immigrated to Vancouver, population was a lot smaller, prices were a lot lower, and there was still plenty of space and land for people to move to. Additionally, while prices went up in the 90's, they didn't go up by the same unreasonable amounts as they do now.

Your stupid little article only confirms that the hot money from the Motherland is driving up our housing prices. Thanks for doing the homework for me and helping me to prove my point.

-Lik

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本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-4 14:13 編輯
Moron,

The difference is, back when I first immigrated to Vancouver, population was a lot smaller, ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-4 13:46


The article written by the experts proves that you are wrong.
Unless you want Canada stops all immigration. There are 250,000 immigrants to Canada, it is not fair to blame on the Chinese immigrants.

I would rather believe in the experts, than an anti-Chinese bashers like you.

Chinese-Canadians and immigrants, not investors from China, largely driving market, experts say

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/busi ... .html#ixzz1RB3PjQIF

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