B仔

我地唔係唔知，我地唔係冇UP過。我地UP完嘆氣話一句：咁可以點，好明顯係無奈，同你話我地咩 "staying ignorant, remain silent" 係9唔搭8。

你又有咩高見可以早D咩嚟減個D廢柴CEO薪水呢？落DT去私人公司度發爛渣投訴？

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 B仔 於 2009-2-11 08:43 發表
我地唔係唔知，我地唔係冇UP過。我地UP完嘆氣話一句：咁可以點，好明顯係無奈，同你話我地咩 "staying ignorant, remain silent" 係9唔搭8。

你又有咩高見可以早D咩嚟減個D廢柴CEO薪水呢？落DT去私人公司度發爛渣投訴？ ...

Relook at his post, the tone does not seem like it's 嘆氣, more like saying complaint is useless 多 D... Of course I can take it wrong, in fact, pretend I'm wrong, or heck, okay i'm wrong, no point dwelling on this. There's better use of time.

And r u pepsis2's wife? his spokesman? "我地"? j/k~

[ 本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-2-11 18:21 編輯 ]

B仔

Well, if you complain, vented, and there's nothing you can really do to take out useless CEOs in private sector....that pretty much = useless. You vent too, you have your point, everyone had a good point & pretty much on same grounds too. But you haven't told us how your venting is not "settling down & sucking it up in silence". At least, I don't see how you took action... while interpreting other's as 認命.

Sometimes I don't understand you guys. You say some people are pointless & stupid. ok. you can be subjective. but i don't see how our healthy discussion in a respectful manner makes you feel that it's "dwelling".  of course i can take it wrong, in fact, pretend i'm wrong, or heck, ok i'm wrong.

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 B仔 於 2009-2-11 22:31 發表
Well, if you complain, vented, and there's nothing you can really do to take out useless CEOs in private sector....that pretty much = useless. You vent too, you have your point, everyone had a good po ...

If you think a certain company's CEO is useless, which would imply that the company is badly governed impacting profit and bottom line, just don't invest in it. I think that's a very strong action. Or if you think the CEO is useless and wasting money, cutting into the bottom line of a company you already invested, pull ur investment. Otherwise, why do I really care whether another company have a useless CEO? I never talked about CEOs anyways, I am talking about the very government that is impacting your daily life, and that you've paid 10s of Ks, if not 100s of Ks every year to.

Venting, or in much more accurate and better terms, acknowledgement and spreading awareness, is not useless. Encouraging other to shut up about issues, by telling people that acknowledgement and spreading awareness is 'useless', is not only as simple as 'suffering in silence', but to promote the act of 'suffering in silence'.

There's no point to further discuss if you don't even agree that acknowledging issues and promoting awareness is a vital start in address any issues. I think this is especially vital when a lot of people don't even view this (Canadian authorities' compensation and efficiency) as an issue, as can be seen by a lot of LYKs that were defending the compensation level and effectiveness of the Canadian police force in this very post.

Our tax money is being spent very foolishly on our ineffective government, especially when compared to other places in the world, that there's still much room for improvement that we as tax-payer should demand. Moreover, there's still much room for improvement on how much we as tax-payer have been demanding in getting more efficiency on the return on our tax-money. I don't need half my bonus to go to buying tasers which are going to be used on innocent victims anymore, doesn't this alone justify the cause (of spreading awareness, etc)?

[ 本帖最後由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-2-12 13:09 編輯 ]

B仔

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-2-12 14:08 發表
If you think a certain company's CEO is useless, which would imply that the company is badly governed impacting profit and bottom line, just don't invest in it. I think that's a very strong action. Or if you think the CEO is useless and wasting money, cutting into the bottom line of a company you already invested, pull ur investment. Otherwise, why do I really care whether another company have a useless CEO? I never talked about CEOs anyways, I am talking about the very government that is impacting your daily life, and that you've paid 10s of Ks, if not 100s of Ks every year to.

人地拿一拿CEO例子，冇咩問題。我冇INVEST。就算知到好多高層係廢柴咁又點？個個都知FC廢，有幾多個會真係UNSUBSCRIBE？同樣，你覺得政府廢，你炒佢咩。唔係翹埋隻手乜都唔做。熱血青年係好，但係社會就係有LEVEL。

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-2-12 14:08 發表
Venting, or in much more accurate and better terms, acknowledgement and spreading awareness, is not useless. Encouraging other to shut up about issues, by telling people that acknowledgement and spreading awareness is 'useless', is not only as simple as 'suffering in silence', but to promote the act of 'suffering in silence'.

同你講左好多次，我地UP得，好明顯我地ACKNOWLEDGE & SPREADING AWARENESS啦。霽UP係冇用架BOR。做嘅有限，咪繼續UP＆SPREAD AWARENESS囉。冇CONFLICT架。嚟度邊個叫人SHUT UP？我唔覺，除左你拿出嚟討論。

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-2-12 14:08 發表
There's no point to further discuss if you don't even agree that acknowledging issues and promoting awareness is a vital start in address any issues. I think this is especially vital when a lot of people don't even view this (Canadian authorities' compensation and efficiency) as an issue, as can be seen by a lot of LYKs that were defending the compensation level and effectiveness of the Canadian police force in this very post.

如上題。

原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-2-12 14:08 發表
Our tax money is being spent very foolishly on our ineffective government, especially when compared to other places in the world, that there's still much room for improvement that we as tax-payer should demand. Moreover, there's still much room for improvement on how much we as tax-payer have been demanding in getting more efficiency on the return on our tax-money. I don't need half my bonus to go to buying tasers which are going to be used on innocent victims anymore, doesn't this alone justify the cause (of spreading awareness, etc)?

想請教，你各自認為邊度政府係EFFICIENT？錯唔錯係TASER嘅發明，亦都唔係POLICE嘅宗旨，係個人操守同科技技術出錯嘅問題。

[ 本帖最後由 B仔 於 2009-2-12 15:00 編輯 ]

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 B仔 於 2009-2-12 13:59 發表

人地拿一拿CEO例子，冇咩問題。我冇INVEST。就算知到好多高層係廢柴咁又點？個個都知FC廢，有幾多個會真係UNSUBSCRIBE？同樣，你覺得政府廢，你炒佢咩。唔係翹埋隻手乜都唔做。熱血青年係好，但係社會就係有LEVEL。



同你講左好 ...

The problem is, CEO is a ridiculous example for issues concerning the government. I was pointing out that CEO and our government are totally diff stuff thus it was a totally irrelevant and stupid example. Those CEO have nth to do with me, why do I want to complain or try to invoke change? Besides, I think some of those CEOs are properly compensated anyways, especially when people paying their salary is perfectly happy, why should I say anything? If the board and investors are not happy they would've voted those CEOs out... On the flip side, the government have A LOT to do with me, I am paying them and a lot of people including me are not happy. That is night and day difference. If majority of the shareholder and the board think a CEO is overpaid and useless, it's trivial to kick him/her out. If majority of the citizen think a particular policy is bad, it's much more difficult to attack that particular policy through regular voting, etc. This is even more true because the general public is very easy to be moved/biased through political tactics. That is why exposing the deficiency is even more important.

In short: People paying CEOs are happy and people paying the Government are not happy. It's easy to kick out CEOs but hard to change the government, Applees and Oranges, get it?

You said just 'spreading awareness' is not useful. I think otherwise. Go back to page 2/3 and see how many people are still in their little dream thinking our police force is well trained, and fairly compensated (5 times+ pay of HK police which have to face AK) for invoking racism (beating by off duty police last week) and tasering innocent toursit.

My replies here were solely aiming at pepsis2's reply, where he gave a negative tone, putting down post which tries to spread awareness to people who were still defending our crappy police system/government. It is pepsis2 that was hinting that any voices trying to expose more aspects of our inefficient government as useless, hence my responses.

Besides, I think it's very apparent that pepsis2, and a lot of other people, including you, are not really criticising the content of this post, but merely criticising this post because it was posted by Toppy.

I dun give a damn about Toppy, but 見 Toppy D post 就反, perhaps 比 Toppy D post 更無聊 ...

B仔

CEO is a ridiculous example for concerning government...? As objective as you stated before, this post is actually about nurses vs police salary and whether or not it's worth their monetary value. And also, where can you find a happy tax payer? nobody's happy about paying anything unless it's going into their own pockets you know. & how can you summarize that people paying CEO's are happy? so, you can save your apples & oranges for your snack today.

one thing you still don't understand up to now is, i did not say "spreading awareness is useless" i said "spreading awareness but with limited or no solutions is still worthless and the only way is to continue to spread awareness".

tasering an innocent as i said in chinese (incase you did not read it well) is not to blame the integrity of police...it is the fault of an individual officer's judgement & conduct. so it is not justified to say that "you pay tax $ to get innocent people tasered & beatened". & of course, it's not fair to compare salary of RCMP to HK police because they are in 2 different countries & countries operate differently. Its just like saying we have better medical benefits compared to down in the States...am I not correct?

criticising this post because of Toppy? no. i don't think so. just like toppy, you probably don't understand that aside from many flaws (which is everywhere around the world), overall, alot of Canadians are satisfied with their standard of living here.

jake123

原帖由 Littleprince 於 2009-2-7 16:50 發表

呢個理由好正

銀行職員話﹕比我錢少我會打劫銀行

護士話﹕比我錢少我會謀財害命

地產商話﹕比我錢少我會起D爛尾樓

At least that was the reason they gave for raising police salary back in the 90's to pull wayyyy ahead of US salaries.

There's something I don't feel good w/ the police here. Those people back in my high school who wanted to be police officers were pretty trashy.