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作者: Lik 時間: 2009-9-16 11:17 標題: TransLink's potential plan for Knight Street Bridge Toll

WTF?!?!

http://news1130.com/more.jsp?content=20090916_133303_7504

Richmond councillors warn of TransLink potential plan for Knight Street Bridge toll
Katharine Kitts | Wednesday, September 16th, 2009 10:42 am

RICHMOND (NEWS1130) - City councillors with the 'Richmond First' political party are warning people about TransLink's idea to potentially put a toll on the Knight Street Bridge.  If true, you might have to dig in a little deeper in the future for the commute to-and-from Richmond and points south, and 'Richmond First' is warning it could have a dramatic impact on commuters and businesses.

The Knight Street Bridge, connecting Richmond to Vancouver, is owned and maintained by TransLink and could be a likely target for future 'road pricing' plans.  Richmond city councillor Bill McNulty worries it could significantly change traffic patterns across the Lower Mainland.  "When you talk about road pricing, you're talking about adding a tax or a toll, and as a result we're very concerned that may be one way of raising money."

A recent Regional Transportation Commissioner report highlighted the need for $130 million per year from existing revenue sources to maintain current service levels.  TransLink's Ken Hardie says ideas are still in the discussion stage.  "The issue has actually been discussed for a number of months in terms of how we pay for the big expansion that we need in the transit system in the region.  The real key at this time is to look at the concept of road pricing and what it actually means, how it could work and where it might be applied."

While he understands the shortfall, McNulty says tolling drivers on existing infrastructure is not an acceptable option.

作者: puZZle 時間: 2009-9-16 11:52

that's itttt

movin' outta richmond

作者: yokult 時間: 2009-9-16 12:50

people are gonna use Arthur Laing, the free one~

作者: 吳孟達 時間: 2009-9-16 13:33

本帖最後由吳孟達於 2009-9-16 14:38 編輯

Why moving out from Richmond? You guys don't go to Richmond, don't go to YVR or Ferry or States?
and many people working in Richmond and not living in Richmond, so do they need to change job?

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-9-16 13:38

there are several ways to go to the states, Richmond or ferry unless they put the toll on all bridge.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-9-16 13:48

I hope Oak bridge will stay free.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2009-9-16 14:10

Massive traffic nightmare on the free brdiges.... I don't think this will happen, but if this does... It's just another nail in the coffin on our useless governemnt.

作者: puZZle 時間: 2009-9-16 14:13

that's itttt

movin' outta richmond
puZZle 發表於 2009-9-16 12:52

coz i live in richmond but don't go to richmond places much now

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-9-16 14:21

I will fight this one harder than the HST ....

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2009-9-16 15:11

the same thing is happening everywhere as many city governments go broke

it's really not news and you know any opposition is fruitless
someone has to pay after all

作者: Ovaltine 時間: 2009-9-16 19:28

have they thought about cutting welfare or EI?

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-9-17 11:00

It's a matter of 習慣. There are toll roads/Hwys in Toronto for long time and people can live with that. The sudden change from free to pay is upsetting, but it's not uncommon.

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-9-17 11:32

have they thought about cutting welfare or EI?
Ovaltine 發表於 2009-9-16 20:28

actually they want to increase it...

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-9-17 11:35

It's a matter of 習慣. There are toll roads/Hwys in Toronto for long time and people can live with that. The sudden change from free to pay is upsetting, but it's not uncommon.
Ultraman 發表於 2009-9-17 12:00

yes people will get used to it but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-9-17 11:38

本帖最後由 daimo 於 2009-9-17 12:47 編輯

In Toronto you have a choice to use the toll freeway (say 407) or not. You just pay to get to places faster.

if they put toll on the 3 bridges, then we Richmond people are basically discriminated because we don't have a choice. (don't tell me going to New West or Surrey is a choice ...)

*Robinson just said they didn't rule out putting toll on all 3 bridges ... heard it on 1470

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-9-17 11:39

let's see if there is a facebook group for that or not ...

作者: daimo 時間: 2009-9-17 11:45

11# Ovaltine

That's federal ...

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-9-17 11:57

yes people will get used to it but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do
shutterbug 發表於 2009-9-17 11:35

On your pov, what is "right"?
Is charging PST and GST a right thing? Then is making HST a right thing? After all, is living in Canada a right thing?

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-9-17 12:01

In Toronto you have a choice to use the toll freeway (say 407) or not. You just pay to get to places faster.

if they put toll on the 3 bridges, then we Richmond people are basically discriminated be ...
daimo 發表於 2009-9-17 11:38

Put HK as an example. The "Red Tunnel" was like "the only way" to get across HK Island and Kowloon, of course, besides taking ferries. And they charge for a fare.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-9-17 12:20

Welfare is a provincial matter, while EI is a federal matter. In the face of the global recession and widespread layoffs, the Conservatives have tabled a bill to increase EI benefits, especially for those who have been contributing to the program for an extended period without receiving benefits for it.

Toronto is different because first of all, Hwy 407 was conceived to be a toll route from quite an early stage of its construction. Secondly, alternative routes can be used with relative ease to get to the same places that the 407 takes you to. In BC, the Golden Ears Bridge is a much closer example to what Hwy 407 is. Before tolling was lifted, the Coquihalla Hwy was also somewhat similar in nature to Hwy 407.

IMO, the bigger difference is, the Knight Bridge is a major and vital thoroughfare between two tiny, but extremely important municipalities in Metro Vancouver. Its central location in Metro Vancouver also makes it a most convenient route for a large number of citizens. Tolling the Knight Bridge would be extremely unfair because it will inadvertently divert a large amount of traffic to the remaining toll-free bridges -- namely the Arthur Liang, Oak, and Queensborough, all of which are located at either ends of the city.

If Gregor Robertson is stupid enough to impose tolling on all 3 bridges between Vancouver and Richmond, he can almost certainly kiss his next term of mayorship goodbye.

-Lik

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-9-17 12:25

Put HK as an example. The "Red Tunnel" was like "the only way" to get across HK Island and Kowloon, of course, besides taking ferries. And they charge for a fare.
Ultraman 發表於 2009-9-17 12:01

Hong Kong is a poor example in this case because the city was never meant to be a car-centric city like the majority of North American cities. The de facto method of transportation in HK is public transportation. On the other hand, Vancouver (and most North American cities) are built around the idea of having automobiles as the personal transportation of choice.

-Lik

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-9-17 12:41

I live in Burnaby and actually hardly go to Richmond nowadays.

作者: news 時間: 2009-9-17 13:56

i thought the toll will be imposed by translink and hv nothing to do with the cities?

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-9-17 13:57

The problem with Translink is, how they spend our $, we don't have a say at all and it's just 咁住嚟搶. All they ask is just $$, and then waste.
Take the example of the fancy bus lane in the middle of no.3 road, a while ago. 1 year or 2 after completion, now all gone and replace by the Canada Line.
And the new glass bus stop. Do we need that fancy bus stop? Especially in time of tight budget? Why can't we just refurbish the existing wooden ones? I think it is better than glass ones, at least the old one provides some shades under the sun.
Another example, the new Bus Lane on Hwy 99 (from Stevenston to Bridgeport exit). Why did Translink spend 7million (saw from the sign) to build a dedicated BUS LANE, not even HOV lane? As the Canada line is completed, there are already less buses to go from Richmond side to Vancouver. Why spend so much $ on another bus lane? Spend those $ then grab our pocket ? That doesn't make sense.
As for toll bridge, I agree if there is NEW bridge, then it makes sense to pay. But for existing bridges, not at all.

作者: news 時間: 2009-9-17 15:04

sorry..my comment was more directed to Lik's...but the hwy 99 shoulder lane project was funded by the province not translink...so just not to be confused here..and i believe its more to do with buses to the airport or to the riverrock stn from the outlying area during morning rush hour..since the hov lane ends at bridgeport

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-9-17 15:20

i thought the toll will be imposed by translink and hv nothing to do with the cities?
news 發表於 2009-9-17 13:56

Not sure how this has anything to do with what I said...

-Lik

作者: news 時間: 2009-9-17 15:42

Not sure how this has anything to do with what I said...

-Lik
Lik 發表於 2009-9-17 15:20

If Gregor Robertson is stupid enough to impose tolling on all 3 bridges between Vancouver and Richmond, he can almost certainly kiss his next term of mayorship goodbye.

-Lik

to this

作者: daxtor 時間: 2009-9-17 20:54

to this
news 發表於 2009-9-17 16:42

Gregor Robertson supports the idea of putting a toll to any road and calls it "fair use". Sure, let's see how many Vancouver people think the same way next time there is a election. In the time people crying foul for things like HST, do you think publicly announcing the support for turning something free to a toll based bridge is a good idea politically?

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-9-17 21:55

Translink always asks for money. They can't do anything to MAKE money. Do they know how many people are taking transit without paying??? If they can collect that and really fine the offenders then they will be a lot richer than they are now.

作者: yoursecret 時間: 2009-9-17 22:18

"Build It and they will come" is Translink's way of running things ever since the Expo line. The problem with that is they will run a deficit for a number of years before the line gets enough riders to pay for itself. The smarter way is to create the ridership by using toll, fee, tax and zoning but that's politically suicdal for any public servant.

作者: mcs889 時間: 2009-9-17 22:45

.................way too expensive...they just destory RICHMOND ...

作者: peter236 時間: 2009-9-17 23:33

Translink always asks for money. They can't do anything to MAKE money. Do they know how many people are taking transit without paying??? If they can collect that and really fine the offenders then ...
shutterbug 發表於 2009-9-17 22:55

Then they need to build the turnstiles at the stations to prevent people from not paying. But it took them a long time. They went to places like the US and UK to inspect what the others are doing. Still they have nothing to show. All they need is to learn from Hong Kong.

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-9-18 10:06

HK is not a good example for us. They have way higher population density.

作者: eddie 時間: 2009-9-18 12:14

28# daxtor

He is riding bike.

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2009-9-19 17:13

if this toll existed, people should protest on all the bridge which got tolled

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