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作者: sky 時間: 2008-1-12 00:42 標題: 救命呀!!!!如果你係我,你會点做?

我喺06年9月尾喺Benz買咗架二手03嘅suv,一星期後惡夢就周始,發覺架車有Ｄ問題,有幾次(冇定律,好飄忽,好難捉摸果隻)停車等轉左,架車(打冷震),踏油門都冇反應,差Ｄ俾對頭車撞,好在千均一髮架車又有番反應,一枝箭咁直標,逃過大難,好險呀!!!!咁我就即刻make appointment check 車睇下咩事,整完出嚟,行咗幾百公哩,同樣情况又出現,今次着埋check engine 燈,service advicer 話今次有code 易跟好多...,又信佢,整好出番黎,好似好咗Ｄ,冇事喇心諗,點知都係有打冷震出現,激死,又入廠,又出廠,短短一年入足八次(架車我揸咗４千公里)而家仲有打冷震(久唔久一次)而家check engine 燈又着咗,你話点算?請各位大佬教教我,多謝!!!!!

作者: spoonek4 時間: 2008-1-12 01:15

即係你果部係03年款既ML﹖希望你有同佢地買原廠WARRANTY

作者: sky 時間: 2008-1-12 01:28

係ML,架車仲有warranty,咁又点吖,問題依然存在,行4xxx km 入八次廠,可唔可以入健力士?我揸benz coutesy car 多過揸自己架車!!!

作者: Traum 時間: 2008-1-12 01:41

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作者: sky 時間: 2008-1-12 01:56

多謝カ哥高見,小弟己約舊車部經理傾計,望可同超級檸檬分手.......

作者: blueprint 時間: 2008-1-12 06:36

Have they checked emission control?

作者: Hyde 時間: 2008-1-12 07:04

sell it ASAP or get used to driving courtesy cars. ML are known to have alot of problems

作者: sky 時間: 2008-1-12 09:03

原帖由 blueprint 於 2008-1-12 06:36 發表
Have they checked emission control?

i guess they have checked everything, all spark plug wire replaced, MAF sensor replaced, two catalytic convertors replaced, fuel filter replaced.........etc

作者: lerico 時間: 2008-1-12 10:47

wish you luck... all of the used car reviews I've read recommend people to stay far far away from last generation ML.

I'd sell the car as soon as possible.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2008-1-12 10:54

行4xxx km 入八次廠 .. is normal for ML la.. lol ...

Actually .. 03 ML .. shouldn't be too bad .. just those early 99/00 ML are terrible ..

Sell it law ..

作者: Traum 時間: 2008-1-12 12:34

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作者: sky 時間: 2008-1-12 12:39

大部份人都建議賣咗佢,我都有諗過,但係條氣唔多順,下手車主咪受害者?咁大間車行都係咁,我不如去kingsway求其買架,仲慳番幾千蚊

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-1-12 13:26

Have you tried another MB dealership? Bring it to another shop and have another mechanic to work on it.

this thread could help you with some ideas, seems like the guy has the same problem and it doesn't sound too uncommon

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/ ... ssfire-problem.html

Just curious, they replaced your plug wires but not the plugs??? That's bad practice if it's the case. I guess it's a warranty job so they would replace as few parts as possible. If you are paying, they might recommend to you as well.

作者: sky 時間: 2008-1-12 13:38

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2008-1-12 13:26 發表
Have you tried another MB dealership? Bring it to another shop and have another mechanic to work on it.

this thread could help you with some ideas, seems like the guy has the same problem and it doe ...

i already tried
w.broadway and richmond.....

作者: Traum 時間: 2008-1-12 13:42

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作者: Hyde 時間: 2008-1-12 15:12

just go buy a Cayenne, Cayenne V6 is only about 30k now for a used one

作者: Quest 時間: 2008-1-12 16:18

Why am I not surprised.

You can either (a) sell it off quickly to recoup your $$, or (b) fix it again and again until hell freezes over.

作者: Traum 時間: 2008-1-12 16:18

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作者: 字典仔 時間: 2008-1-13 11:23

are u sure urs is running spark plug wires, but not coil?

most of the MB i have worked on are running individual coil, in which no shop would replace all 6 or 8 of them for you unless they found it faulty.

i replaced all 6 on my friend's 328i because he has two dead in the last two months, everytime CEL came back and a diff cylinder is mis-firing; he is tired of all those ****ty driving performance and decided to replace the leftover 5 coils this time (the 2nd time)...

u have to know what code MB has found (should be on ur receipt), then from that code maybe i can see if they are missing anything else!?

what's the mileage of the car? even tho u have only put 4000km on it but it could be one with over 70k?! ML320/350/500?

my friend's S430, brought it back to MB and the car came out with a mis-firing code not long after; they changed this and that for him, paid over $2k and problem is not fixed; turned out when i checked thru his service history they have replaced 14 spark plugs on his V8 (which has 16)...as soon as we get rid of the last 2 spark plugs it's running like a beauty now...

作者: Traum 時間: 2008-1-13 11:42

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作者: sky 時間: 2008-1-13 11:44

原帖由 字典仔 於 2008-1-13 11:23 發表
are u sure urs is running spark plug wires, but not coil?

most of the MB i have worked on are running individual coil, in which no shop would replace all 6 or 8 of them for you unless they found it f ...

its a ML 350, 70000km now

作者: superberry 時間: 2008-1-13 22:30

my old mercedes had a similar problem. What kind of gas do you fill up? MB recommend you to go to Cheveron or Husky supreme only (ha, sorry I can't spell, the 92 one la)

a long time ago, my mom went to Superstore gas station due to cheapness. She saw a C230 died right outside the station, but didn't pay attention to it. After driving one block, our car died. The car had similar symptom as your car, and we went to service as many times as you did. End up they found water vapour in the gas tank. They have to empty the tank and change all the jets (whatever they are called la, I am not a car person).

Hope my experience help

作者: superberry 時間: 2008-1-13 22:33

but I still recommend you to sell the car back to the dealership........... cuz after we finally fixed the car, although it was still running ok, the performance was not as good as before. We couldn't return it at that time cuz it's mom's stupidity... but for your case, you should return it!

作者: lerico 時間: 2008-1-13 22:55

poor mercedes... i wonder why people are still buying them... and buying them used!! Is it just because you wanna show off you are driving a mercedes (or courtesy car from mercedes)?

My 03 Odyssey, 130 000km, has never been back to the dealership except routine maintenances... same for my 04 Altima, 105 000km now... and they drink superstore regular gas almost every week.

Seriously, ML is really such a bad car, if I see a SUV coming by with one of the headlight not working, I know it's a ML... it's really so bad that the lights burnt faster.

[ 本帖最後由 lerico 於 2008-1-13 23:01 編輯 ]

作者: lerico 時間: 2008-1-13 22:59

原帖由 superberry 於 2008-1-13 22:30 發表
my old mercedes had a similar problem. What kind of gas do you fill up? MB recommend you to go to Cheveron or Husky supreme only (ha, sorry I can't spell, the 92 one la)

a long time ago, my mom went ...

咁真係好似有錢人去大排擋食完就痾咁lor... 又唔見其他車有事WOR...

作者: 貓 時間: 2008-1-13 23:34

唔，似乎架ml 同land rover 開始有得比喇…啲問題一樣係咁多。

唯一我感覺倒唔同既就係，land rover 可能易整少少，唔係「超」大鑊既都可以唔駛入廠攪。
噢…係呀，我有架land rover，check engine light 一年都會著幾次…而且唔係呢度有事就係嗰度有事，不過已經慣晒，由以前對車咩都唔識攪到而家自己落手落腳去整。

冇計，自己架車又冇warranty，唔想辧法自己整既話就要俾多幾倍既價錢出嚟俾車行整。

sky 如果你有每一次既check engine code，post 上嚟或者一班汽車愛好老友記可以俾倒更多既意見俾你。

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2008-1-13 23:48

hm...no wonder ML used price is so low...

作者: LOK 時間: 2008-1-14 10:26

原帖由 lerico 於 2008-1-13 22:55 發表
poor mercedes... i wonder why people are still buying them... and buying them used!! Is it just because you wanna show off you are driving a mercedes (or courtesy car from mercedes)?

My 03 Odyssey, ...

you must don't understand that a MB got a lot of high tech stuff than your odyssey. If you drive a car that only has four wheels, a engine and a transmission, nothing elso to break down, just like a 20 yrs old tercel or corolla.

作者: Traum 時間: 2008-1-14 10:30

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作者: lerico 時間: 2008-1-14 10:51

原帖由 LOK 於 2008-1-14 10:26 發表

you must don't understand that a MB got a lot of high tech stuff than your odyssey. If you drive a car that only has four wheels, a engine and a transmission, nothing elso to break down, just like a ...

well... a car with high tech stuff doesn't mean it should break down or easier to break down. A engineer should built it so that it last.

Seriously, I don't think a ML350 has much high tech stuff. I dont' think it has a superior engine management system if it needs to go back to dealership every few months, I don't think it is high tech if it doesn't work, and i don't think a car that burnt halogen headlight as high tech.

We are here talking about the fundamental stuff that are breaking down, things that are low-tech and part of "four wheels, a engine and a transmission"...

If we are talking about a radar cruise control breaking down, auto-leveling headlights, or an automatic parallel parking system, that's a different story.

作者: lerico 時間: 2008-1-14 10:54

原帖由 Traum 於 2008-1-14 10:30 發表

For a period of time (starting in the late 90's?), Mercedes' built quality and reliability has dropped quite a bit, and they lost a lot of their prestige as a premium car manufacturer. The previous g ...

Agree, as long as they are no longer with Chrysler, they should be good. And I am not bashing current model, just kind of disagree to those paying premium for a MB used car that doesn't work when they can use the same amount for a brand new, reliable car from regular brand.

作者: LOK 時間: 2008-1-14 11:23

原帖由 lerico 於 2008-1-14 10:51 發表

well... a car with high tech stuff doesn't mean it should break down or easier to break down. A engineer should built it so that it last.

Seriously, I don't think a ML350 has much high tech stuff. ...

I'm sorry, I didn't make my point clear.
I mean, for example, an engine is using spark plug wires and distributor compare to a car which using individual coil. The one with individual coil might be have bigger chances to fail, because there are more parts for this system.
多個香爐多隻鬼, more stuff, more chances to fail.

作者: sky 時間: 2008-1-14 17:32

Update:同舊車部經理傾過,我覺得佢好似見怪不怪,我見過worse過你都有,佢問我想点,我話而家俾你整你又整唔到,換過架俾我囉,佢話佢揸唔到主意,要寫report通知上頭,過兩日覆你啦!!最慶就係當我傻仔,佢話同我check過今次着check engine燈原因,係你油缸太小油(俾佢check果陣有1/4缸,但着check engine light 當日有3/4缸),同埋你架車揸得太少,XXYZ@#$,佢竟然俾過咁有創意嘅答案我(不知你直接話我人衰,揸到架車都衰埋仲好啦).呢鋪睇嚟我好似入咗黑店.......

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2008-1-14 17:55

sky: were u saying dealer had all the spark plugs replaced? or do u mean the actual spark plug wire? cuz i think ML350 has individual coil?!?!

all spark plug wire replaced

anyways, ML350 with 70k, it's not a very high mileage that the dealer would have changed all the spark plugs for you (happened to a friend's CLK430, dealer took the plug out and "cleaned" them; threw them back in and CEL came back 2 ~ 3 months after, friend recalled they said the plugs were changed; i took them out regardlessly because of the S430 story, found out they were still the old one; my friend was about to drop by the dealership with his invoice, i found that they were not even replaced! it could be a mis-communication between my friend and the dealership, or the service advisor and the tech); double check the invoice and if they were only cleaned, give all the spark plugs a try?

also IMO your car has "unreasonablelly" low mileage for the previous year, spark plugs could have been fouled with unburnt fuel (even if they were just cleaned, better if they were replaced); have seen that happened onto a lot of the european cars, they really need a good warm up / heat cycle everytime u drive it; that's why european cars can take bosch spark plugs, but totally not recommanded on japanese...

also what's the actual code u are getting? Mis-fire? Multiple Mis-fire? a good way to find out if the coil is dead is to swap it with another cylinder, the check engine code will tell you so (more accurate than measuring the resistance)...

with such a low mileage car, moisture in gas tank could be another reason; you probably won't be able to finish up a tank in a month so if u leave the tank empty (low level) for too many days, moisture in the tank (regardless which gas station u go) will cause the car to run rough, hard to start; those can cause fouled spark plugs as well?

have u tried a diff gas station? like from chevron to petro can, or from petro can to chevron etc?

i just picked up my friend's corolla, 07, 2900km since end of last april; car was not driven for about a week but it was rarely driven even tho when his mom is around; as soon as an oil change is done and i finished up that tank (1/4 left when i picked it up), put in some chevron 92 and the car is totally diff (friend's mom was using 91 from shell)...she is so happy with the diff, and was surprised just a diff gas station would make such a change (she first thought oil change is not necessary, as toyota told her it's not due if it's not 8000km)...

all in all, servicing a vehicle involved a lot of infomation from how the owner uses it (such like my friend has a S2000 but that's his weekend car, he NEVER drives it during weekday and even it's a 06 with 12k, i can see moisture has already contaminated his oil; it's only his 2nd oil change ever since he bought his car lolz)...

i guess driving distance, warm up period, choice of gas, and many other things would affect how a mechanic works on your car; 03 with 70k is not decent average mileage, but the mechanic probably wouldn't know u only have 4000km since sept 06?

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2008-1-14 18:56

原帖由 sky 於 2008-1-14 17:32 發表
Update:同舊車部經理傾過,我覺得佢好似見怪不怪,我見過worse過你都有,佢問我想点,我話而家俾你整你又整唔到,換過架俾我囉,佢話佢揸唔到主意,要寫report通知上頭,過兩日覆你啦!!最慶就係當我傻仔,佢話同我check過今次 ...

yeah try to get another one BUT i do agree if driving too little is not a good thing, especially if u dun warm up ur car before u drive; short trip can never make ur car warms up properly

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