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作者: Bullshark 時間: 2009-11-2 21:10 標題: 準備換雪胎未啊

近日返工，見到差老車都換左雪胎。我以前從來未換過，但舊年大雪真系心有餘悸。系吾系costco最便？

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2009-11-2 21:36

canadian tire, costco......or auto repair stores

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-11-2 21:55

本帖最後由 pkphilip 於 2009-11-2 22:56 編輯

You better do it soon because it will be out of stock very quickly.

There are a few types of winter tires, some are better on ice, some are better on light snow, some are studdable.

If you insist in getting them locally, Costco is cheapest (free install, rotate.. etc). Canadian Tire is good when there is a rebate or special on them.

Check with 5zigen and see if he has any "promo", just PM him your tire size.

Many of us LYK here got them from US. I paid USD$115 each for my Blizzak LM-25 215/45/17 (yes, I need performance Winter). In Canada, the same tire cost around $175-$225 each + levy and all the crap.

Philip

作者: Bullshark 時間: 2009-11-2 22:32

Thanks Philip. I know it's cheaper in US, however it's not so convenient since I don't plan to shopping there recently. I think I will just get them from COSTCO.

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-11-2 22:38

I will prob get mine put one some time this week or early next week.

作者: qqmaro 時間: 2009-11-2 22:39

4# Bullshark

with the duty and tax, the cost is not much difference if you change it in US

作者: spoonek4 時間: 2009-11-2 22:55

我早排落大雨之前裝左上車喇.......落雨真係好好用.......

可以4圍比較下價錢，costco唔一定最平，但行動要快因為已經十一月(我9月頭已經買左呔)，再遲d 就真係俾人搶晒，今年的確見d 人開始已經有換呔，真係好事。

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-11-2 23:14

you really need to check around. i got mine two years ago. i checked around and found costco & the one on clerk & hastings have the best price for michelin. but i wanted the goodyear, which tirerack had the best price, even i added duty, taxes & gas on top, was still 20% cheaper than got it from van.

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2009-11-3 03:40

i've just got tires & rims from US recently, but haven't put them on yet...

just wondering is there any place that would offer the following if i'm purchasing only the mount/balance service?

1) nitrogen
2) free rotation

thx!

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2009-11-3 07:47

yuusaku,

Did you pick up the tires and rims from US, or they shipped up here?

作者: spoonek4 時間: 2009-11-3 10:01

9# yuusaku

我覺得用普通air 都已經ok，可能我習慣左間中check呔氣

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2009-11-3 11:42

I picked them up at Point Roberts for 3 reasons:

1.) seller doesn't ship to Canada
2.) even if they ship to Canada, the shipping cost is much higher for this kind of heavy stuff
3.) even if they ship to Canada, and the shipping cost is alright, the brokerage fee could be crazy, especially UPS, USPS is much more reasonable.

by picking them up at Point Roberts:
1.) I need to pay the package receiving, I had TSB Shipping, $5/tire x 4 = 20, $3/wheel (< 20 lbs) * 4 = 12, $32USD paid TSB
2.) I got them while loonie was a bit higher
3.) I've heard rumors saying non North America manufactured auto parts(especially tire), could cost additional 8% duty at custom, but I didn't get that extra duty for my Nokian tires(made in Finland), only PST+GST

Make sure to have the receipts ready at the border.

yuusaku,

Did you pick up the tires and rims from US, or they shipped up here?
blue20ae 發表於 2009-11-3 08:47

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2009-11-3 12:16

ya, I think for those who check the tire pressure regularly may not benefit much from the nitrogen inflation because it doesn't leak as quick as the regular air.

I just did an estimate,
http://www.getnitrogen.org/sub.php?view=getTheFacts
click the Canadian flag.

Canadian Calculator: Your Savings
Reduction in fuel costs by improved mileage: $141.89
Savings by increased tire life: $57.51
Total savings per year: $199.40*
* Based on maintaining proper tire pressure, according to your vehicle manufacturer's recommendations
US Department of Transportation reports that most new vehicles are driven 15,000 miles (24,140 Kilometers) per year, while the average used car is driven 13,500 miles (21,726 Kilometers).

9# yuusaku

我覺得用普通air 都已經ok，可能我習慣左間中check呔氣
spoonek4 發表於 2009-11-3 11:01

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-11-3 12:45

I think Nitrogen's benefit is exaggerated.  If you're going racing, OK.  But for daily driving with good condition rims and tire valve, regular air is fine.

"A tire filled with “plain old air” will lose 1.5 PSI in less than a month; with nitrogen, this could take three months or longer. "

This never happened to me unless I have a bad tire valve, tire leak, or leaky rims.  I check my tires every few months and it only goes down buy a couple of psi.  It's better to invest in new tire valves rather than getting nitrogen IMO.  With properly inflated tire with just regular air, nitrogen will not give you that much benefit.

Btw, gas station air could be bad sometimes because they don't filter out the water vapor in the hose, compressor, etc, which will end up inside your tire.  Buy a good quality cigarette lighter air compressor.

作者: B2L2 時間: 2009-11-3 13:13

本帖最後由 B2L2 於 2009-11-3 14:14 編輯

I haven't seen any cigarette lighter air compressor that filler the air moisture.

Anyhow, that's a good point.

If $7-8 / tire of nitrogen give you the piece of mind, go for it.

But why don't just follow us and check your tires once in a while. The saving amount above basically assume you aren't going to do that. This will give you the same saving.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-11-3 13:31

12# yuusaku

You got lucky la... when my snow tires are shipped to point roberts and declare @ canadian custom, we paid gst+pst+duty (7 or 8% forgot).
But the storage fee is only $10...(both tire + rim)
still...the whole thing is less than if I buy from canada.

作者: Derek128 時間: 2009-11-3 13:50

12# yuusaku

You got lucky la... when my snow tires are shipped to point roberts and declare @ canadian custom, we paid gst+pst+duty (7 or 8% forgot).
But the storage fee is only $10...(both tire + ...
fibbi 發表於 2009-11-3 14:31

你有冇講到係自己用/自己架車用?

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2009-11-3 14:32

They did ask me is it for personal or commercial, and I told them personal.

你有冇講到係自己用/自己架車用?
Derek128 發表於 2009-11-3 14:50

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-11-3 14:43

17# Derek128

Can't remember...but I think I did...

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-11-3 16:17

I haven't seen any cigarette lighter air compressor that filler the air moisture. Anyhow, that's a good point.

If $7-8 / tire of nitrogen give you the piece of mind, go for it. But why don' ...
B2L2 發表於 2009-11-3 14:13

LOL...I've never seen a cigarette lighter air compressor spits out water vapor in my life...

Seriously, the air compressor at gas station sits in hot/cold/humid weather all year around, or simply just by compressing air in the tank causes vapor to liquidfy. You can literally open the tank and drink from it!

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-11-3 20:52

My snow tires are still sitting in the shop .. not yet ...

May be in 2 week ..

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-11-3 22:21

本帖最後由 pkphilip 於 2009-11-3 23:26 編輯

How much I paid (approx) from buying at TireRack

Blizzak LM-25 215/45/17XL
Tires: 4x USD$115
Shipping: $43
TLC fee: 2x USD$3.75
Taxes: 12% of USD$460 (1:1.04) = $58
Install/Balance at Volco: 4x $25 + tax
Total: $680

From 1010tires.com, the LM-60 replaced the LM-25 with better technology (that's what they always say... newer is better), cost CAD$229 each, times 4 = $920, not include install.

I check my tires every few weeks especially in winter, and the most I've lost is about 1-2PSI.

In Vancouver, we are not going to have feet of snow, therefore I rather have better dry/wet traction than deep snow/ice traction. I won't even drive if it is more than 2 inches of snow anyways. I would probably chain the tires if I have to, so i pick the Blizzak.

If you go for snow tires like the X-Ice, the tire is too soft and it feels very bouncy and not comfortable.

Philip

作者: Bullshark 時間: 2009-11-4 08:14

I ordered 4 Michelin® X-Ice® Xi2™ on Costoco.ca, should arrive in RMD store in two weeks. They have $60 coupon now, I think the price is OK for $177.99 each.

作者: ccyip 時間: 2009-11-4 10:59

本帖最後由 ccyip 於 2009-11-4 12:11 編輯

For those of you who don't know, you can order from http://www.discounttire.com and drive down to Washington State to have the tires installed by them. You can check out their website and they have "out the door" pricing for you including installation and balancing. I compare their pricing with Tire Rack's and they seem to be a little more expensive. However, since they don't charge shipping like Tire Rack does and after installation the price would end up about the same. To me it's less hassle as they offer one-stop solution. I think these guys are franchises and they have multiple locations in the west coast.

When you come back to Canada whether you want to declare the new tires purchase is you own business...

作者: 蛋撻 時間: 2009-11-4 13:12

I've just got a set of Hankook Icebear 15" W300 from discounttiredirect.com. Total comes to $320

and it should arrive next Wed. Lucky for me I don't have to pay for storage this time since I got a friend's uncle to receive it for me (He lives in Blaine, WA).

The only thing left is to mount/balance the tires... Where should I go to get those done...

作者: spoonek4 時間: 2009-11-4 15:30

裝左呔仲要記得做wheel alignment呀！唔係磨蝕晒套新呔就唔抵！

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2009-11-4 15:37

just wondering if that's the case, is wheel alignment recommended after swapping back the regular tires after winter?

裝左呔仲要記得做wheel alignment呀！唔係磨蝕晒套新呔就唔抵！
spoonek4 發表於 2009-11-4 16:30

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2009-11-4 15:38

i'm having the same problem too, looking for place to mount/balance... pls let me know if you found out any good/affordable place

I've just got a set of Hankook Icebear 15" W300 from discounttiredirect.com. Total comes to $320 and it should arrive next Wed. Lucky for me I don't have to pay for storage this time since I got a ...
蛋撻發表於 2009-11-4 14:12

作者: spoonek4 時間: 2009-11-4 16:21

just wondering if that's the case, is wheel alignment recommended after swapping back the regular tires after winter?

yuusaku 發表於 2009-11-4 16:37

我會就咁以套新呔做左一次alignment就算，起碼唔wear out d 新呔先！如果d alignment 係off到好緊要較番岩，而d 舊呔春天果陣一上番車就搶軚都冇計，因為d 舊all season呔已經有uneven wear嘛，鐘意可以再較少少alignment，但幫助唔太大，冬天又係要較一次﹖

好視乎各位部車平時keep 得有幾好﹖我同字典仔既車多數一年做一次alignment check，如果有需要會做埋adjustment.......

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-11-4 22:30

I do alignment once a year and each time only little needs to be adjusted.

I do mount/balance in Volco because they charge $25 each, they have 4-5 guys working on the same car all the time so you could be in and out within 1/2 hour. They are very busy now, so go there at 9am. I like them because they have experience with mounting pretty much all types of pessenger cars, including exotics.

Philip

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2009-11-5 00:01

if i bring them my winter tire and winter rim for mount/balance, does that come with free rotation?(i.e. swapping and rotating the all-season-on-stock-rim back on after winter)

I do alignment once a year and each time only little needs to be adjusted.

I do mount/balance in Volco because they charge $25 each, they have 4-5 guys working on the same car all the time so you cou ...
pkphilip 發表於 2009-11-4 23:30

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2009-11-5 00:02

spoonek4/pkphilip

where do you guys bring the car for alignment? price?

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-11-5 10:23

Tire rotation is done by my dealer during service. Alignment, my friend just take my car to some shop (forgot the name, OK Tire I think) on Bridgeport and charge me $75.

I brought my car to Excel Tire for just bolt-on (winter <-> Summer), cash $20 :-)

Philip

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-11-5 17:43

"""I compare their pricing with Tire Rack's and they seem to be a little more expensive. However, since they don't charge shipping like Tire Rack does and after installation the price would end up about the same."""

but discount tire charges state tax which tire rack doesn't.

作者: 蛋撻 時間: 2009-11-5 22:38

"""I compare their pricing with Tire Rack's and they seem to be a little more expensive. However, since they don't charge shipping like Tire Rack does and after installation the price would end up ab ...
tofu 發表於 2009/11/5 17:43

I've just ordered from discount tire direct and there's no tax. I guess if you buy from discount tire, you'll get the tax~

作者: kit--^v^'' 時間: 2009-11-5 23:58

has anyone tried champiro tires????are they good??

作者: ccyip 時間: 2009-11-6 14:20

"""I've just ordered from discount tire direct and there's no tax. I guess if you buy from discount tire, you'll get the tax~...
tofu 發表於 2009-11-5 18:43

Either you pay shipping or tax. It's one way or the other.

作者: 蛋撻 時間: 2009-11-6 14:29

Either you pay shipping or tax. It's one way or the other.
ccyip 發表於 2009/11/6 14:20

No tax, no shipping

US$80 per tire, have 4 of them. Total US$320.

That said, when I come back from the us boarder I will have to pay tax then... but that would be Canadian tax.

作者: Derek128 時間: 2009-11-6 15:21

Either you pay shipping or tax. It's one way or the other.
ccyip 發表於 2009-11-6 15:20

discounttire 會收state tax

discounttireDIRECT 唔會收state tax

作者: spoonek4 時間: 2009-11-6 21:36

36# kit--^v^''

買果隻真係不如唔好換呔喇.......

買呔買大牌子同買靚d 唔會死錯人，你坐o係架車入面就只有4條呔接觸地面，好話唔好聽關乎人命安全，千其唔好貪平。

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-11-6 22:38

discount tire direct has no shipping charge, probably no sales tax as well, since its office is not in washington state. but compare to discount tire & tire rack, its choices are so limited. i checked 10 models, none of them has any size in stock.

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-11-6 23:34

I think many "unknown" name tires are made by the same OEM, like Walmart's "Marshall" is made by Kumho... whether the quality is good or not, I don't really know.

Philip

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2009-11-7 18:44

本帖最後由 yuusaku 於 2009-11-7 19:50 編輯

finally i got my tire/rim balanced/mounted on my car...here is the summary

(currency in CAD)

tire (nokian hakka r 195/65/15)
$510 shipped to point roberts
$22 receiving fee
$60 tax at custom
~$592 for the tire

rim (06 civic hybrid 5" alloy rim),
$297 shipped to point roberts
$15 receiving fee
$36 tax at custom
~ $348

installation (at volco, just like what pkphilip said, they are busy, i got there right before 9am, then there were several customers came right after 9am)
$67

total ~ 1007

with all the hassles, i saved about 170 if i purchase them at the only local nokian dealer with steel rim instead of alloy...

so far hakka R feels pretty close to the stock all season tire, unlike hakka Q i had, hakka Q was as soft as gummy bear/coke bottle...felt pretty weird driving on dry road.

作者: canon10D 時間: 2009-11-8 00:22

DONE just changed my wife's car with snow tire today and helped my friend change his too

DIY snow tire change day

hahaha

did it in less then 1.5 hrs

作者: Derek128 時間: 2009-11-8 00:41

theweathernetwork.com 話下星期尾落雪
未裝tire O既朋友好快手喇

作者: Bullshark 時間: 2009-11-8 15:00

Nice, I get my snow tires installed today, wow, I can feel the difference even in rain. Plus, I feel I add air suspension too, nice soft tire. Costco actually ship it so quick, got it within one week. And they're getting super busy now, you guys better get it done before snow. I have no time to shop around, so I guess Costco is my best bet.
This is my first time can't wait to drive in the snow.

作者: maldini 時間: 2009-11-8 15:55

Do you usually buy a new set of rims for snow tires?

作者: Derek128 時間: 2009-11-8 16:39

Do you usually buy a new set of rims for snow tires?
maldini 發表於 2009-11-8 16:55

i got new rims for my summer, stock rims for winter

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-11-8 16:42

Same here!! Ugly stocks are for winter, sexy aftermarket for summer!!

Philip

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-11-8 16:44

Same here!! Ugly stocks are for winter, sexy aftermarket for summer!!

Philip
pkphilip 發表於 2009-11-8 05:42 PM

Nicer after market ones for summer! BUT my stock are NOT ugly.

They are for winter tires.

作者: 毅字 時間: 2009-11-8 22:46

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作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-11-8 23:23

頭先 ChECK 天氣﹐話星期四會跌到零度﹐唔好啦

作者: maldini 時間: 2009-11-9 03:31

All you people are buying winter tires. Very tempted to buy now.

作者: Bullshark 時間: 2009-11-9 08:12

how many psi in the tire?
毅字發表於 2009-11-8 23:46

They set to 32, should be standard.

作者: spoonek4 時間: 2009-11-9 22:55

Nice, I get my snow tires installed today, wow, I can feel the difference even in rain. Plus, I feel I add air suspension too, nice soft tire. Costco actually ship it so quick, got it within one week. ...
Bullshark 發表於 2009-11-8 16:00

雪呔實在濕地用都一流，all season呔既排水性能簡直冇得比！

作者: spoonek4 時間: 2009-11-9 22:56

All you people are buying winter tires. Very tempted to buy now.
maldini 發表於 2009-11-9 04:31

為左自己同家人既安全，快d 裝啦！再遲d 就好難再搵呔架啦！宜家有好多比較"了lung"既size都已經冇貨。

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-11-9 23:50

TireRack is also out of stock on many odd performance sizes, but many regular sizes are still OK.

I have no problem driving in puddles in Richmond!!

Philip

作者: audible617 時間: 2009-11-28 12:32

Hi, Got a question for you guys. I bought a set of snow tires last year and i am looking around for a set of back steelies to mount them on for this yr. Is 240 cad for a set of new 17" steelies reasonable? Anything in particular that I need to pay attention to? thanks

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-11-28 15:38

Steel wheels at 17" are around $60 - $80 each, so $240 for a set doesn't sound too bad if they are new. But if they are 2nd hand, you might want to bargain a bit, and make sure that they have no damage on them, and are reasonably balanced.

-Lik

作者: audible617 時間: 2009-11-29 11:24

59# Lik

Thanks Lik, I will make sure I am getting a new set. Seems like there won't be snow until at least mid Dec this year.

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-12-1 00:32

Weather report says Dec 8 will start to snow.. I hope you all are ready!!

Philip

作者: rockypath 時間: 2009-12-1 00:53

Weather report says Dec 8 will start to snow.. I hope you all are ready!!

Philip
pkphilip 發表於 2009-12-1 01:32

I heard an meteorologist on am 980 said this winter won't be a many snow as last year and it will be ~1-1.5 degree warmer. I have new all-season tires and I hope it is ok.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-1 22:33

Too late again tim ..

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2009-12-2 14:39

where are the snow!?

Hurry up! My snow tires are complaining...

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-2 14:40

where are the snow!?

Hurry up! My snow tires are complaining...
ACC-HE 發表於 2009-12-2 15:39

Here .... LOL

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-12-2 22:15

where are the snow!?

Hurry up! My snow tires are complaining...
ACC-HE 發表於 2009-12-2 15:39

With freezing temperature, you should see your tires work better.

Philip

作者: jh66 時間: 2009-12-5 21:57

為左自己同家人既安全，快d 裝啦！再遲d 就好難再搵呔架啦！宜家有好多比較"了lung"既size都已經冇貨。
spoonek4 發表於 2009-11-9 23:56

溫哥華使咩用雪呔禁叭斃呀,四季呔掂哂啦.

作者: MSN04 時間: 2009-12-5 22:22

溫哥華使咩用雪呔禁叭斃呀,四季呔掂哂啦.
jh66 發表於 2009-12-5 22:57

無知

作者: jh66 時間: 2009-12-5 23:14

無知
MSN04 發表於 2009-12-5 23:22

我黎溫哥華10年都係用四季呔掂哂,雪地揸車最重要係駕駛人有正確ge安全駕駛意識,不然安裝左雪呔以為大哂更唔安全,你唔見跌落山溝多數係四驅車嗎?

作者: 毅字 時間: 2009-12-5 23:28

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作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-12-5 23:34

我黎溫哥華10年都係用四季呔掂哂,雪地揸車最重要係駕駛人有正確ge安全駕駛意識,不然安裝左雪呔以為大哂更唔安全,你唔見跌落山溝多數係四驅車嗎? ...
jh66 發表於 2009-12-6 12:14 AM

四驅車 doesn't mean they have 雪呔....
@ @

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-12-5 23:37

我黎溫哥華10年都係用四季呔掂哂,雪地揸車最重要係駕駛人有正確ge安全駕駛意識,不然安裝左雪呔以為大哂更唔安全,你唔見跌落山溝多數係四驅車嗎? ...
jh66 發表於 2009-12-5 23:14

A good all season is certainly "adequate". But do you only want to be adequate when it can be "confidence-inspiring"? Also, a lot of all season tires are really only adequate as 3-season tires, and thus are incapable of handling winter duty.

The reason you think this way is because you never knew what the good stuff is like. It's no different than the poor Mainlanders who never knew what freedom and human rights are like until they've tasted it themselves.

Try a top of the line all season tire and a top of the line winter tire back to back. You'll be convinced.

-Lik

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2009-12-5 23:39

我黎溫哥華10年都係用四季呔掂哂,雪地揸車最重要係駕駛人有正確ge安全駕駛意識,不然安裝左雪呔以為大哂更唔安全,你唔見跌落山溝多數係四驅車嗎? ...
jh66 發表於 2009-12-6 00:14

you live in richmond & never cross the bridge bicycle works for you too

作者: Littleprince 時間: 2009-12-6 00:38

為左自己同家人既安全，快d 裝啦！再遲d 就好難再搵呔架啦！宜家有好多比較"了lung"既size都已經冇貨。
spoonek4 發表於 2009-11-9 23:56

你說得很對﹐最近問好多真的斷貨了。。。所以第日真係要 11 月換了

作者: Purpleheart 時間: 2009-12-6 00:46

唉, 有些人發生左意外先知死既~

我地呢班聰明的 LYK 會知道什麼是未雨綢繆

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-12-6 01:12

Gosh, how much I hate driving with winter tires because they are so soft. But still, safety first.

Something we can all agreed on is that having winter tires does not mean driving racklessly. All of us who have winter tires are aiming for only one reason - maintain control of the vehicle in the worst weather.

You can "taste" the difference already by driving in early morning, the frost on the ground is good enough for "appertizer", with freezing temperature, AS and summer tires will turn into a piece of hard rubber (hockey puck). Your braking distance and control will be affected significantly.

I know that people demonstrate winter tires effectiveness by simply rolling/rubbing 2 different tires on ice, and obviously the winter tire will not slip as much... does this simple experiement mean something?

Philip

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-6 01:53

Snow tires make a big difference....
有啲野唔慳得

作者: MSN04 時間: 2009-12-6 04:56

我黎溫哥華10年都係用四季呔掂哂,雪地揸車最重要係駕駛人有正確ge安全駕駛意識,不然安裝左雪呔以為大哂更唔安全,你唔見跌落山溝多數係四驅車嗎? ...
jh66 發表於 2009-12-6 00:14

我响溫哥華揸車都唔止10年, 我就係知都四季呔同安全意識係唔夠, 所以先換雪呔.
同埋, 唔好俾個中文名(雪呔)誤導左你. 英文叫 winter tire. 唔係淨係 for 落雪先有用.

作者: jh66 時間: 2009-12-6 11:14

我响溫哥華揸車都唔止10年, 我就係知都四季呔同安全意識係唔夠, 所以先換雪呔.
同埋, 唔好俾個中文名(雪呔)誤導左你. 英文叫 winter tire. 唔係淨係 for 落雪先有用. ...
MSN04 發表於 2009-12-6 05:56

雪呔只係比四季呔好小小,差別唔大,雪呔在溫哥華使用率不高,放起屋企又阻地方,真正大雪用鐵鏈比雪呔更有效.

作者: MSN04 時間: 2009-12-6 11:48

雪呔只係比四季呔好小小,差別唔大,雪呔在溫哥華使用率不高,放起屋企又阻地方,真正大雪用鐵鏈比雪呔更有效.
jh66 發表於 2009-12-6 12:14

Sigh... and /shrug.
ok.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-12-6 11:56

雪呔只係比四季呔好小小,差別唔大,雪呔在溫哥華使用率不高,放起屋企又阻地方,真正大雪用鐵鏈比雪呔更有效.
jh66 發表於 2009-12-6 11:14

老友，你要去死，我唔通阻住你發達咩？

祝你好運啦～

-力

作者: jh66 時間: 2009-12-6 13:03

本帖最後由 jh66 於 2009-12-6 14:25 編輯

老友，你要去死，我唔通阻住你發達咩？

祝你好運啦～

-力
Lik 發表於 2009-12-6 12:56

唔使禁激動,就算係政府宣稱都係話用比較好的四季呔也可以,我因為沒有雪呔更加小心駕駛,最近仲啰左icbc既roadstar.

作者: kencyliu 時間: 2009-12-6 13:46

毫無疑問，雪肽一定比四季好些，但唔代表一定安全噃！遇到黑冰一樣死。
我有位朋友從來都是行四季，兩年前剛換了雪肽就撞到轆都歪埋。
我又有一位多倫多朋友從來冇裝雪肽，佢又未試過有意外噃！
其實現在一些靚少少的四季肽的雪地及濕地性能都非常好，一些四季品牌的橡膠已做到在零下仍保持柔軟，唔信可以上tirerack睇吓啦。
我自已今年就換了一套exalto及一套Grabber HTS，未落雪唔知掂唔掂，但上個月連場大雨表現就很滿意，高速過水漥非常稳定。
在此提醒用四季肽過冬的老友，請小心檢查你的車肽，如肽纹太淺、用了很久或發現橡膠出現一些頭髮絲一般的裂紋，請快換肽，因為表示贵肽已出現老化變硬跡象。

作者: Purpleheart 時間: 2009-12-6 14:10

唔使禁激動,就算係政府宣稱都係話用比較好的四季呔也可以,我因為沒有雪呔更加小心駕駛,最近仲啰左icbc既roadstar.
jh66 發表於 2009-12-6 14:03

哇~ 勁呀....roadstar 呀, 哇真係勁勁勁呀~~~ roadstar 係無敵架, 渣車永遠唔會炒, 冬天連 black ice 都忌你三分

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-12-6 16:31

本帖最後由 tofu 於 2009-12-6 17:37 編輯

唔使禁激動,就算係政府宣稱都係話用比較好的四季呔也可以,我因為沒有雪呔更加小心駕駛,最近仲啰左icbc既roadstar.
if you never use winter tires, how do you know 雪呔只係比四季呔好小小? don't tell me you tried your friend's car for 10 mins and you couldn't feel the diff. of course you won't. i pay so much money for my car, so i don't mind to pay 個零頭 to get the winter tires to improve my driving experience. using the winter tires and 更加小心駕駛 is better than using four seasons tires and 更加小心駕駛, right? we got the winter tires don't mean we are not 更加小心駕駛. you just be a roadstar means you have 10 years free accident "record", just no record, doesn't has to no accident ar. so many roadstars here ma.
the one keep saying never use winter tires but never get in accident, more like i never do exercise and eat a lot, but i never get fat. that may happen, but not in majority la.
btw, you are not allow to use 鐵鏈 in the city, roadstar, pls improve your road sense.

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2009-12-6 17:53

唔使禁激動,就算係政府宣稱都係話用比較好的四季呔也可以,我因為沒有雪呔更加小心駕駛,最近仲啰左icbc既roadstar.
jh66 發表於 2009-12-6 14:03

最近仲啰左icbc既roadstar.

lol

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2009-12-6 18:18

簫翠蓮

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-12-6 20:26

Here is a very recent (Nov 2009) tire comparison that Car and Driver did:

http://www.caranddriver.com/feat ... es-comparison_tests

C&D's comparison was between 4 Michelin tires:

1) high performance all season
2) all season touring
3) winter performance
4) dedicated winter tire

If you are too lazy to read the entire article, you can skip straight to the hard performance data at the end of each tire review. But don't take the data values too literally just yet, because as purely objective data, they don't take subjective considerations of everyday life into account.

At first glance, the high performance all season and all season touring fell flat on its face the moment there is snow. The dedicated winter tire did almost 20% better than the performance all season in snowy conditions. This was to be expected, and there were no surprises here. And 20% is a significant amount.

On the other hand, it seems like both all season tires did better than the winter tires in the dry and in the wet. So jh66 might very well claim this as rock solid proof that all season tires are more appropriate for Vancouver's weather since we don't get all that much snow. While the hard data doesn't lie, and the dry and wet performance of the all season tires are truly superior to those of the winter tires, we really need to take reality into account as part of our consideration -- that is to say, 1) how much of the performance do we really tap into when we drive on the street, and 2) what conditions do we find ourselves in when we drive?

I ran some tests with my (vehicle) data logger back in October when I still had summer tires mounted on my car. For street driving, my turns generally do not pull any more than 0.3g's worth of lateral acceleration (and really, the norm more or less hovers around a boring 0.2g). Accel- and deceleration can be up to almost 0.4g, but usually they don't exceed the 0.3g mark either. What that means is, in 99% of the time, I never ask my tires to do anything more than 0.4g's worth of work on the streets, and any additional performance beyond that means absolutely nothing since they'll never be tapped into (unless I decide to drive recklessly, of course). Keep this thought in mind when we examine Vancouver's winter road conditions.

Now for the really important bit -- under what conditions are we most prone to accidents in Vancouver's winter? Answer: frosty mornings/evenings and black ice. What this means is, in the moments when you are most likely to get into accidents, your car is driving on morning / evening frost and/or black ice, and you are asking the car to pull 0.3g's worth of acceleration longitudinally or laterally. That means the dry or wet tire performance of 0.8-something g means absolutely nothing, because your all season tire can only muster up 0.24 to 0.28g's worth of acceleration. Since your tires can't offer enough grip, your cars plows or slides, and you get into an accident.

Now, with my Michelin X-Ice 2, the tire can pull a maximum of 0.33g, and the turn only requires 0.3g. Tada~ I have enough grip in my tires, and I drive on happily without getting into an accident.

Honestly, I didn't make up any of the numbers at all. But everything just fall into place, and everything makes perfect sense.

So while all season tires are adequate, why won't you invest into a set of winter tires? It could mean the difference between getting stuck or moving on in some cases, and it could mean the difference between crashing and narrowly avoiding an accident.

-Lik

作者: yuusaku 時間: 2009-12-6 20:42

just wondering what type of chain would you recommend?

chaining is more effective than winter tire in what sense?
starting/stopping/maneuver in snow/ice/dry pavement???
(sorry that I don't know much about chaining,I got myself winter tires already)

雪呔只係比四季呔好小小,差別唔大,雪呔在溫哥華使用率不高,放起屋企又阻地方,真正大雪用鐵鏈比雪呔更有效.
jh66 發表於 2009-12-6 12:14

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2009-12-6 21:01

89# yuusaku

I thought it is illegal to chain your tires in city street???

作者: jh66 時間: 2009-12-6 21:24

毫無疑問，雪肽一定比四季好些，但唔代表一定安全噃！遇到黑冰一樣死。
我有位朋友從來都是行四季，兩年前剛換了雪肽就撞到轆都歪埋。
我又有一位多倫多朋友從來冇裝雪肽，佢又未試過有意外噃！
其實現在一些靚少少 ...
kencyliu 發表於 2009-12-6 14:46

我都係用Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S,在上年的哪場大雪在溫哥華到劣質蚊二邊開表現很好,我覺得呔ge錢唔可慳,買條靚呔係提高車ge性能同安全既最好方法.

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-12-6 21:49

Just look at the tread pattern of the Exalto:

It also have a 45,000 miles treadwear guarantee, very typical 硬膠 touring tires.

I really wonder how great of the Exalto compare to tread patterns like:

I don't need to tell what is what tires right?

The above are just some entry level tires, but they sure beat the AS treads.

Chain only help during deep snow condition, the snow we have here in the city are simply too powder for chains to chains to work. If I have to use chains, I might as well walk. My car is too low to tread over the snow.

Philip

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-7 09:57

The Exaltos are highly regarded for some reason and I wonder how well they work for all-season tire too. They're not cheap either.

My stock tires are MXM4 and according to the C&D test that was posted by LIk, it's not so bad in the snow and almost tie with Aplin??? I really doubt the result given the performance in wet. I don't feel confident with that tire in wet at all!!! I guess I'll find out this winter.

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-12-7 22:12

Go ask around, I am sure that more people will know Michelin brand because they are used by many OEMs.

The Exaltos are still on the high-end side, so the performance of it should be top notch.

I am sure that in terms of performance, nothing beats Pirelli or Bridgestone (in general).

MXM4 is OE AS tire, look at the tread pattern:

Review: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/ti ... Model=Pilot+HX+MXM4

The treads are very tight together, therefore it lacks the ability to expel water fast enough, so it is understandable that you doubt the wet ability. If you look above the images I posted, the Hanook Icebear W300 and the Falkin ZE512 has wide horizontal tread pattern, these are excellent in wet condition as water can be channel out during high-speed.

We wear the different shoes to suits activities, I think cars should be the same. You can wear your runner all year around, but are they the best in snow compare to a boot? :-)

Philip

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-7 22:57

The tread for the MXM4 is actually not tight together. As you can see there are four big channels for water to run off. The C&D review said it did well in wet condition. Oh well, maybe I'm asking for too much...

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