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作者: myversa 時間: 2009-12-10 15:25 標題: Is it Better to warm my car up before driving?

Is it better to warm my car up before driving in cold weather?

作者: B2L2 時間: 2009-12-10 15:43

LOL.. yes, you suppose to stand outside when warming up the car. That way, you wouldn't get wet.

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2009-12-10 15:49

lol.. no, just start it!

Suck it up~

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-12-10 15:52

2 people with 2 different answers...

作者: puZZle 時間: 2009-12-10 15:54

use a vacuum

作者: its_visa 時間: 2009-12-10 17:27

just close ur skyrooffffffffffffffffff

作者: CWong 時間: 2009-12-10 17:34

Tiffaint will say "warm up my body first la!!!!"

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-10 17:38

I don't think it's necessary but it wont' hurt! Other than waste some gas and pollute the environment...

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-10 19:24

not much diff...

Esp in Van .. no diff la..

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2009-12-10 19:28

obvious to warm up~~~~~
or your car will die like crazy~~~~

作者: B2L2 時間: 2009-12-10 21:33

so it is a serious question, myversa?

Yes, I try to warm up the car whenever possible, not just in cold weather. That's if you care about any movable part of your car. You'll be surprise to know how long it takes the oil/lube to be warmed up (when you have gauges to read them). Even your water temp reach normal temp (which you could read), your oil is still not in working temp yet.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-10 21:37

Even in cold day .. ( in Vancouver standard )

~ 30 sec warming is ok, then drive the car slow in the first few min .. ok ga la..

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2009-12-10 21:58

not to a minute?
or few minutes?

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-10 22:19

not to a minute?
or few minutes?
tiffiant 發表於 2009-12-10 22:58

If Minus 38 degree .. then yes .. not that the car can't stand, but the driver ..

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2009-12-10 22:33

There is something called block heater if it is -38C.

I think modern cars now the computer will adjust the behavior of the engine until optimal operating temperature is reached.

If you have a OBDII reader, you can see how it happens. In winter, it takes much much longer for the car to reach optimal operating temperature. The engine will rev higher in idleing and gas consumption will increase even at constant cruise speed.

Therefore, I think the best is to warm your car for a few min. Then slowly drive it around until the temperature gauge reaches "normal" temperature.

Philip

作者: Purpleheart 時間: 2009-12-10 22:38

張相入面架車係咪開逢車黎架.....

我自己都有warm 車架, 大概 1-2 mins 啦, 感覺上 warm 完車架車行得順D !!

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2009-12-10 22:48

If Minus 38 degree .. then yes .. not that the car can't stand, but the driver ..
Catpiano 發表於 2009-12-10 22:19

it really depends on how old is your car~~~~
if your car is damn old, longer it takes

作者: chobit 時間: 2009-12-10 23:01

Yeah.. I had to warm my car for about 5 mins the last few days, because it's -8C here in Seattle, and my car is park outside. So, I have alot of froze build up on the windshield and windows. Then I also want to warm the car just a tiny bit for my son.

Then I take it easy for at least the first 5-10 mins of driving...!

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-10 23:06

本帖最後由 Catpiano 於 2009-12-11 00:12 編輯

PKP: Block heater??

I don't think nowadays cars come with block heater anymore la... ( may be domestic? )

EL: 10 min warming?? I leave my car outside, even last yr, -49C may be ~ 3min warm (shovel)

Of course, with little baby, is different story .. ^_^

Anyway, you guy won't know, and dont want to know how it feel when -50C ga la...

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-10 23:49

I guess I'm not too good to my car. I almost never warm car...

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2009-12-10 23:54

wao, your place is damn cold,
catpiano

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-11 02:01

其實d人成日問:
1. 駛唔駛warm車架? warm, 又要warm幾耐呢?
2. 入87定89/91/94好呀? 91/94好貴喎, 廠都話唔駛~~~
3. 幾耐換一次油好呢? synthetic聽人講可以用耐d/舊車用左會漏油
4. 係唔係真係要整/換架?唔整/唔換得唔得?
5. etc etc

其實今時今日所生產既汽車已經達到一定既水平, 唔warm其實架車係真係行得, 不過當中試問有幾位覺得架車唔到warm左 (水溫錶指住一半)之前架車其實行得好rough? 尤其係開車果3幾分鐘? 我知有d渣開新車既人或者會講"冇分別", 果d只不過係新d既車d野仲係緊d所以分別細d? 又或者好似我一d朋友講 "我不嬲都唔知架車唔順, 都feel唔到架車有問題", 問題可能係同出一轍?

其實要點做上個網search一下一百幾十個答案都有, 點解會仲問呢? 因為好多人講既都唔同, 想睇下比較之下更多既人係點做? 咁萬一做左之後架車都係成日壞呢?

又試問大家有邊幾位會渣一架車十幾廿年, 廿幾三十萬公里都唔賣? 小弟就真係有幸可以睇住d人點樣去到四十幾五十萬, 保養得好既同保養得唔好既又係唔係真係可以差好遠? 有人會諗, 四十幾萬既車仲行唔行得架? 我只可以講, 五萬公里差到貼地既我都見過, 係架車既問題定係車主既問題, 老實講, 車問題多多少少一定有, 至於幾大鑊/有幾差就真係視乎車主喇...

試問有幾多人渣開一d保養得宜既舊車又會覺得新車好渣呢? 我不幸今年四月比人飲醉酒撞, 架車total loss左. 半年時間我先終於搵到一架合心水既舊車, 原來都諗住出架新車 (其實我冇特別去搵, 有朋友早前回流問我要唔要佢架車, 只可惜因為前車主保養得唔好佢買番黎都執左幾樣野, 到我睇既時侯我連offer都費時比佢, 誰知個新車主買左唔夠兩個月就又有問題, 試問買到架咁既車 ~ 又或者自己擁有一架咁既車, 又會唔會攪到你成日想換車呢?

早前返港得知一個朋友既朋友賣車, 我心諗:"佢保養個外表保養得咁好, 都唔知副engine點既", 好話唔好聽: "金玉其外, 敗絮其中"既好多, 盡管同佢出黎傾兩句睇下點啦; 誰知一傾簡直係搵到個知音人, 似乎佢都keep得架車唔錯, 返黎一驗便知係龍係鳳! 點知一驗, 識我既人都預左我一定買, 係價錢問題!

視問一架六年半先得三萬二千公里既車, 除左每星期洗車(就算冇渣過), 每月打蠟, 每半年換油, 每兩年全換油! 一架咁低里數既車自然無論係compression test, leakdown test, 都係我整過之中reading係最好既! 當然, 其他一d例如warm車呀, 入94呀, 之類既野都係原因之一?!

就好似之前我幫個老友記睇過架車一樣: 03車行左64400公里, 換左油行左400公里左右, d油係可以黑過一架同年同款不過行左112700km, d油仲要換左行左成4700km (車主返左香港佢細佬冇準時4000公里幫佢換油) ~ 其實新車到十萬佢都係5000 (原廠叫8000, 而另外果架就係8000), 係十萬左右d油比以前污衊d所以4000換, 換幾次! 好多時候對比之下一架保養得好既車無論係做compression test / leakdown test都唔驚啦!

作者: puZZle 時間: 2009-12-11 02:18

22# 字典仔

very detailed

thank you

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-11 02:35

23# puZZle

you are welcome...

其實一架車如果保養得好, 要賣都容易d...

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2009-12-11 02:54

great

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-12-11 08:42

I drove my last care for more than 15 years. I hope I can drive this car at least 7-8 years at least. I know there might be tons of answer on the web already but

1. I want to know the opinion of loyaukee here.
2. I just try to generate some topics for people to discuss.

I am not good at cars and I still want to take good care of my car. At least I know what most people are doing so I do not do the wrong thing.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-11 09:11

I think most people just lease their cars now .. ~ 2-3 yr, and get a new car, so won't really care if the car can last 200,000km or 300,000km. (same as car manufactory, they dont want you to keep a car fo so long, which is actually bad for Eniroment)

I had my car for 7 yr now, (it is a 2002) and I know I will keep that car for a long time, may be another 7 or 14 yr .. ( so my son can take over it ..

) even in summer, I usually warm it up for 1 min or 2 before I drive it, and even when I park it, I let it run for 30 second or so before I turn it off, (depends on temp and how hard I drive, and since it is a Turbo, not a bad idea) Even brake, first few km, I won't apply hard braking yet ... so after 7 yr, it still looks and drives like a new car.

But sadly, it still only worth near to nothing ... even it may be the top 10% condition one around, but if I sell it, I won't really get extra $$ ... compare to same year car, may be just a little bit ..

作者: B2L2 時間: 2009-12-11 09:17

Catpiano, it is funny when you keep tell other people warm up is not needed, but you religious warm up your car for 1-2mins even in summer. LOL...

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-11 09:25

本帖最後由 Catpiano 於 2009-12-11 10:28 編輯

Catpiano, it is funny when you keep tell other people warm up is not needed, but you religious warm up your car for 1-2mins even in summer. LOL...
B2L2 發表於 2009-12-11 10:17

Yup .. in general .. NO NEED .. lol

Well ... I guess, it depends on what car ...  if it is a daily driving car, not going to drive fast, then it is fine, not really need warm up .. ( I dont ) but if it is a weekend car, just drive once a week ... may be it still doesn't need to warm up, but still, I would like to let it run for a little bit (so I can go a bit faster right the way.... and it is also different on a car with Turbo.)

Like 字典仔 said .. a car from the 80's vs a new 2010 .. need different treatment ..  normal engine oil, or 0-40 ..  different too..

Just like women .... they dont really need to put make up  ..  but they do ..

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-11 09:49

myversa: 想問下, 渣左十五年不過幾多公里? 保養得好既話好似琴日一架92年既車, 186000km, 真係新車一樣, 比起好多2000年既車可能仲要新!

其實年份係其次, 一位朋友有架1991年civic, 460,000km, 左除左小小生鏽外架車咁多年黎都好似未拖過車 (最多好似一至兩次)...真係冇野壞!

咁多年黎好多人問佢, 架車都唔值錢做咩要放咁多錢去保養佢, 不過對於佢黎講點都平過買過架?

CP: 1-2 min is not enough for turbo car, not even enough for a NA car wor...

(same as car manufactory, they dont want you to keep a car fo so long, which is actually bad for Enviroment)

完全同意呀!!! give me five!!!

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-12-11 10:08

字典仔: I hardly did any maintenance for my old car after the first 3-4 years. Even after 10 years, I only did some oil change by myself once a while (without changing the filter thing). It was a basic car without air con and power anything (windows, steering). The big problem came in the last 2 years of its life, I tried to fix it but cannot. But actually it was from 1992 to 2008 so 16 years in total and 14 years of big trouble free.

If I did the maintenance properly the car might have lasted longer...

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-11 12:00

myversa: what do you have before?

honestly, i have many friends doing their own oil change too. but when a car gets older and older, it needs more and more attention. I have had friends who used to bring me their cars only every 2 years or 25k to do all the fluid and they will take care their own oil and filter change / tire rotation...

example: friend's in-laws has a 05 corolla, he takes care of it for them till 80k and knows that the car is seriously in needed for a tune up; after we got all the rest of the stuff done it makes a dramatic diff and now his in-law knows, even a new car with only about 80k, not only oil change is needed

i am sure if you take care of your car better, it could have lasted much longer and you might not need a new car soooo soon, but just keep in mind, take good care of this one now!

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-11 12:41

What needs to be done on a 80k 05 Corolla beside oil change, tranny flush, air filter, brakes, maybe a serp belt, maybe an injector flush if crappy gas used? I can't think of any right now that will greatly improve it's performance.

Cars nowadays *almost* maintenance free until 160k compared to the old days.

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-11 17:41

33# shutterbug

this is what i did:

transmission fluid (was very dirty)
brake fluid (very dirty)
coolant
power steering fluid (customer requested)
clean and adjusted rear brakes
air filter
pollen filter
drive belt
spark plugs

i know it's not much, but more than you think; more significantly is the car is soooo much smoother afterwards

and i dunno what you meant by maintenance free, that can be pretty mis-leading, like those car manufacturers...i have seen someone who bought a Malibu, was advestised it doesn't need its first tune up until 160k...turned out he toasted his engine at 25k without not even one oil change...

作者: myversa 時間: 2009-12-11 21:00

字典仔: I am already very pleased that my old car can run that long. Of course I want to take good care of my new car. I sent my car to dealer every time for maintenance so far. I am thinking somewhere else when my car is not under warranty anymore. Any place in mind that can do nissan maintenance?

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-11 23:15

to be honest taking it back to the dealership is not necessary as it depends on the mechanic himself, not the dealership / general shop etc...

i am sure there are some good places out there, you might have to try them before you know if they are any good (same thing for dealer, I could easily tell you if they do a great job or if they did a ****ty one)?!

the most important thing is to know your ride better then you can probably make it last much longer

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-12 00:45

本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2009-12-12 01:49 編輯

33# shutterbug

this is what i did:

transmission fluid (was very dirty)
brake fluid (very dirty)
coolant
power steering fluid (customer requested)
clean and adjusted rear brakes
air filter
pollen ...
字典仔發表於 2009-12-11 18:41

OK this is what I think.

Of the things you listed, these are not required on the maint schedule for 80k: coolant (long life one), power steering fluid, spark plugs (iridium)

Brake fluid should be changed at the same time when brakes are changed. I always recommend that. Pollen filter doesn't have anything to do with the driveability of the car so it was not included in my thought, just like wiper blades. So what you have there is just what I thought. I don't think it will improve performance that much lor.

What I meant by maint free is nowadays you don't really need to tune anything like the old days, i.e. carb, timing, adjust valve lash, etc. When you go get a service, it's mostly just "inspection".

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-13 12:48

37# shutterbug

冇錯而家d coolant話就話係long life, 不過如果你八萬公里都冇換過就會好似我個朋友咁, 想claim個warranty又要搵呢個果個黎睇下係唔係真係會cover, 又話dealership好去decline 佢, 一睇就知佢保養得唔好啦...

係, 八萬公里有問題係唔常見, 咁冇耐就會過左保養期, 到最好塞水箱之類既問題唔知會唔會貴過換水箱水呢?

軑油係個朋友叫換既, 咪換囉 (不過都真係幾污衊)

火咀, 好多人都會覺得架車涷車易著左, 又會慳油d ~ 好似我個朋友咁, 平均一架corolla都渣到50 to 60km一tank, not bad; 最重要都係架車順左...

brake油, 係應該每兩年(或我會每兩萬五)換一次, 等得整brake黎都最少四萬幾公里, 如果好似我有個朋友咁, 八萬幾先第一次整brake咁咪四/五年都唔駛換?

pollen filter去會令driveability 好d既, 試問如果個司機成日都吸入一d唔乾淨既空氣:

老實講, 個司機都好重要架!

現今既車可以調較既野係唔多, 所以一架保養得唔好既車往往都會百病纏身, 得閒又有check engine light, 再唔係又漏油又漏水, 總之三兩萬已經可以見到小分別, 十萬八萬已經會幾明顯架喇 (不過, 架車好多時候都仲渣得, 睇下幾時死d咩咁?!

好似別一個老友記講, 你保養得咁好將來邊有人買新車? 邊到有人會講"祝我既下一手車主好運"?

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-13 23:24

本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2009-12-14 00:48 編輯

When there's raditor leak, a lot of the time it's not because of the long life coolant going bad.  Many times it's because bad quality rad in the first place, engine overheated before or other engine problem, problem in other parts of the cooling system, owner put wrong coolant, live in a salty area, got hit, etc

Iridium plugs are rated for 160k, so at 100k they should still have plenty of life.  Now of course these iridium plugs must be of good quality in the first place.  Some domestic although they say 160k, they are faulty at 60k.  I replaced them on a Corolla at 160k and the plugs that came out still look fine, never missfire or have any other driveablilty problem and no obvious improvement after I put in new plugs.

Btw, I've always thought that pollen filter is not needed for everyone.  Unless you have asthma or other breathing issue, you don't need it.  How many people drive with their windows down?  If you walk in downtown the air is much worse?  Anyway, it's not hard to do and the dealership can rip you off by doing this.  For normal people, the only pollen filter you need is your nostrils...LOL

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-15 09:36

disagree, a friend just blew up his radiator last week when it's minus, coolant has never been changed by just over 100k and he was lucky to have noticed the temp goes up even on a freezing day, as soon as he stopped he saw smoke coming out from the engine bay...radiator is cracked...same for another friend who has bought an used car and cheap out from doing coolant flush, both thought they have to do timing belt soon "yet they still dun have it done yet because the radiator replacement has costed them extra in their budget and xmas is coming up, blah blah blah"...

yeah maybe car nowadays always come with bad quality rad in the first place, and it's designed can't really take overheating; if the coolant has never been change, how can it be wrong (i know, some time body shop uses the wrong type of coolant etc, have seen that many times)? radiator looks fine when it's taken out (no sign of overheated) or any sort of impact...

So you didn't notice any diff in cranking or gas mileage when replacing by 160k? I dunno how you mean by plugs that came out still look fine, did you measure the gap? maybe you should keep using them then...

have done cars that didn't have their plugs replaced regularly and overheated the ignition coil; of course, if the 160k you have has quite a bit of hwy mileage, then it will be better than a lot of ppl with mostly city stop and go driving; have you looked thru the spark plug holes and see how much carbon gets built up on the piston? Showed my friend the other day, replacing his plugs at 153k (we thinks it's the possibly the first time, used car), lots of carbon gets build up on the piston and I have told him to keep it up better otherwise it will be a nightmare later; he noticed easily cranking up and better gas mileage too?! what type of plugs did you put in? also he has used some Motul fuel system cleaner after all the service was done and again, car feels significantly better...

it's always your choice for doing pollen filter or not, there are always thing that you don't have to do, like my friend's yaris at 53k i can pull over 10 clicks on his e-brake and even tho with 90% front pad the stopping distance on that car is just bad! after a simple clean and adjust on the rear brake again it makes a huge diff too, who says rear brake has to adjust "regularly" (only when it needs to, just like this case, so worse!)....

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-15 09:47

My ex-car was 80K and 12 yrs....obey all maintainance schedule....the radiator still broke.."water boil" on the street ... still remembered that....

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-15 10:10

41# fibbi

depends on make and which dealer he goes to, some time the coolant has never been flushed, such like a friend's mazda 3 and he tried to get warranty, a pain in the a$$...

lots of the time it could be saved by simply doing a coolant flush (besides it boils or frozen that can cause radiator blowing up, deposit in the cooling system can clog the radiator too)

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-15 10:29

42# 字典仔

It was a 92' 325i. Sold it already la...but I still remember I was in the middle of road while the water started to boil. The temperature just go right up. Ho scary ga...

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-15 10:47

It has been cold here .. ( not very bad, but compare to Van, I think -32 is cold already )

Once I start the car, do some shovel .. then go!

If just start the car, and let it sit .. the heat will never kick in ..

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 11:19

42# 字典仔

It was a 92' 325i. Sold it already la...but I still remember I was in the middle of road while the water started to boil. The temperature just go right up. Ho scary ga...
fibbi 發表於 2009-12-15 11:29

I think BMW calls for a special type of coolant. Many times it's not because of not flushing coolant system often enough, it's because people put in the wrong stuff or parts failure. Do you use tap water or distilled water? That could make a big difference as our water have so much chlorine and minerals. However, 99.9% of the auto repair (even dealerships) will use tap water.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-15 11:21

45# shutterbug

I didn't know...I didn't "touch" any of these things myself....

作者: 羽山 時間: 2009-12-15 14:13

會變的比較好開

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-15 14:43

I think BMW calls for a special type of coolant. Many times it's not because of not flushing coolant system often enough, it's because people put in the wrong stuff or parts failure. Do you use tap ...
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-15 12:19

Way way SB .. I just add tap water ja wor ... even windshield washer .. I add tap water sometimes ..

Fong bin ar ma ..

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 15:26

Windshield washer you add tap water? Won't freezes in Calgary.

Don't worry 99.9% people will use tap water with antifreeze but it's not the recommended way.

For peace of mind you can change engine oil and flush cooling sys at much as you'd like I don't care, only the mother nature, the mechanic and the oil company care lol

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-15 15:53

SB, time is money .. that is why, most cars dont need to service that often ..

It is not that fun to go to dealer for oil change/service every 2-3 month .... wait there for hours ..

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-15 22:35

43# fibbi

well 1992 325i, 12 years (so 2004?) and only 80k, there is a big chance coolant hasn't been flushed for awhile and some cheap shop / dealership use regular water to top it up thru out the years, that brings the freezing point lower and lower...

I know a lot of shop, especially body shop, will just use regular green coolant into almost any type of cars, even toyota / vw / audi / bmw / mini / volvo etc that needs specified coolant:

1. that's probably all they stock
2. not that they care nor educated for, coolant is coolant, they think they are all the same
3. as long as your car runs fine upon delivery, good luck claiming them later...

十二年車咩都可能發生, 可能中間攞過去一d唔負責任既body shop, 可能dealer冇叫你個ex換, 可能dealer叫左你個ex換不過佢果次唔想等所以冇換之後亦都冇左件事...太多可能性喇, 不過有時候如果有人長氣d提醒一d人, 咁可能可以減少到一d不必要既damage...

CP: 盡可能就唔好加水, 方便係好不過舊年我地呢到我就知有一間dealer有一批新車係落大雪果排班新車主個個爆washer fluid既野, hose / tank / pump etc cuz they iced up...

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-15 22:45

51# 字典仔

I never go to body shop for service ga...all go back to dealer.....
Oh well....怪就怪我對車啲嘢唔係咁熟識囉。

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-15 23:00

52# fibbi

唔係講去service, 例如撞車要入body shop, 佢地有可能要拆水箱先可以整到一d野, 又或者撞爛左要換? 咁都會導致入錯coolant; 入番舊既coolant都見過, 不過佢個pan有幾乾淨就...umm....

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-15 23:44

本帖最後由 fibbi 於 2009-12-16 00:52 編輯

53# 字典仔

I recall only 2 accidents ja...one time is bumper (very minor), another time is head light (more like the corner side) broken (bump into the car in front of me but very slowly). More like body work, would that affect the radiator too?

多謝你嘅回覆先，我都係想識多少少嘢乍。

作者: spoonek4 時間: 2009-12-15 23:48

53# 字典仔

I recall only 2 accidents ja...one time is bumper (very minor), another time is head light (more like the corner side) broken (bump into the car in front of me but very slowly). More li ...
fibbi 發表於 2009-12-16 00:44

應該就唔會，不過睇下咩車，我上個冬天見過有個鬼仔部mazda3 炒到bumper下方，面頭淨係霧燈爛，但係後面個黑膠架(我記得係水箱架)同埋under carriage(engine底板)同fender liner 都爛溶溶

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-16 00:58

54# fibbi

好似spoonek4咁講, 有時候好depends, 有d body shop會視乎零件要等幾耐先決定幫唔幫你claim, 好似水箱咁如果佢冇漏水佢未必換? 因為真係有見過好多車之後有問題都係accident related; 當然, 唔係次次都係咁, 不過好似岩岩整完一架都係因為兩年前大撞過整得唔好既, 過得太耐ICBC已經唔理佢, 咁佢整就整左$2000架車叫行得走得, 不過絕對唔係一架keep得過既車囉?! 相反, 有d可能body shop整得貴, 不過整得好, 同樣大撞過不過咩問題都冇...算唔算係 "都要睇彩數喇"

好似我有個friend, 佢要求好高亦絕對唔係唔肯比錢, 不過就係比出面一間都好有口啤既shop攪到差少少就係差少少咁囉, 執一執已經唔同晒不過佢就好奇怪之前點解d人可以幫佢整成咁(佢唔係冇問過, 不過人地話"係咁架喇", 咁佢咪只好當"就係咁囉")

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-16 10:16

Yee .. now I remember la .. Fibbi ..

My buddy 325i (92 as well) last time I talked to him when he still got it, it has ~ 400K km on it already, and he sold it to our other friend's son .. and still going .. always service by dealer! ^_^

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-16 10:46

57# Catpiano

如果架車保養得好, 四十萬邊樹係問題? 只不過係好多人覺得架車舊左唔想比錢整?

應該係咁講, 渣新車既都話唔駛整, 架車舊左佢又邊會整?

好似我知道果d四十幾萬既, 真係有d保養得好到你會佩服佢既恆心! 好似我一個鬼佬朋友話我知, 佢買左架87年既二手車, 上手車主有齊所有既service record, 連幾時換過燈, 邊一粒; 補過邊條tire之類全部有, 好誇張....

some people are just very anal about their ride some people just choose not to give a d@mn sh!t...錫車同用車, 一睇就知

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-16 11:23

Thank you for your info ar!!!

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-16 11:37

Again...  maintenance cost in Canada is just high .. ~ $150/hr labour cost is just high ..

Any 10 or 20 yr old car, (normal car) may only worth little money ..  ( HK is even worse ... a 15 yr old civic may still worth $3K cad here .. vs $3K HKD ..  due to even higher overhead cost)

Just the cost to keep an older car is too high ... I think we have a thread here, comparing some very old V12/V8 luxury ...  yes, may be $5-6K can buy those cars, and BLINK BLINK ..  but just some whatever service cost for those V12 ..can cost arm and leg. (ie: can buy a BMW 850i cheap, say $5-8K, and it looks nice, and sexy ...  but SUPER expensive ..  ) same as those old skyline ... cheap to buy, but costly to fix ..

Well, house is a different story ..  they worth more, and they last long .. most 30 year old houses, are better finished then newer one ..

Oh well, back to "WARM CAR" topic ..  since it is SO WARM here today, at MINUS 7 ... I didn't do any "warm car" at all this morning!

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-16 12:47

I think I'm not the "anal" type of car owner but a balanced type; do whatever it needs. I've seen many cases that yes the owner put a lot of effort in oil change, etc but it turns out that the car had electrical problem after like 15 years and it had to go to the junk yard. So all the money and effort you put in is a waste. Yes, the engine still has lots of life in it but you can't use it. At the end of the day, you're worse than a slightly more worn engine but with good electricals. This is just a different case for discussion. Today's engine can easily last longer than other components in your car given you follow the maint schedule. With complicated electronics in our cars today, engine life will not be the bottleneck I think.

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-16 17:26

CP: $150/ hour labor you have to be talking about dealership, and maybe some really high end car's dealership (most japanese or european should be $100 to $130 range here, i know some higher end dealership will charge like $150 or more, but that's kinda far from the general public...

even a brand new car, I personally don't think it's necessary to take it back to the dealer for service, so for older car you can ask anyone at the dealership, u rarely see them there at all!

for $5k to $8k, one can choose a reliable honda / toyota etc and he can also choose a luxury exotic like bmw 850i, u just have to pay to play, that's all...冇咩問題喎...食得咸魚抵得渴, 有冇人叫你去買, 買得就預左, 唔會真係咁天真以為整都係差唔多呀?

warm車係一個習慣 (我唔講係好定係唔好喇, subjective丫嘛), -7都唔warm, thumbs up for you man!

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-16 17:28

61# shutterbug

我又唔明喇, 有d咩electrical problem令到架車要去junk yard, 真係要請教下...

如果架車真係good condition, 車舊左, 問題一定有, 不過如果大到要去junk yard, 我知咩車喇, HYBRID!!!

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-16 17:36

Again... maintenance cost in Canada is just high .. ~ $150/hr labour cost is just high ..

btw, speaking of labor rate, do u know why it's set so high? partially it's because of our tax system here, another reason is because selling new car ain't making much money, third is the overhead cost...

my friend's shop with around 10 staff (7 licensed bodyman + painter), needs over $100k a month to break even...they dun even have one apprentice, only the accountant and wash kid doesn't have license, not too sure about the assistant manager has license or not...i am sure quite a bit of ppl appreciate their work and is willing to pay their price (especially when icbc is paying for it)...but i am sure a lot of ppl would rather cheap price and where do all those boss save $? cut corners lor...

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2009-12-16 17:47

本帖最後由 Catpiano 於 2009-12-16 18:51 編輯

-7都唔warm, thumbs up for you man!

-7 is consider "WARM" to us ... LOL

Well, of course, depends on how "RUSH" ... rushing to work every morning ... vs going out for a joy ride on Sunday is different ... as I said, in the summer, when I have time, just go for cruise, not in rush .. from start the car, then putting seat belt, sunglass, etc etc, I will do 30 sec warming ... I know eating breakfast is good ... but I skip it most the time ..

Last week .. when - 35 .. I had to warm up the car a bit .. but I needed to do shovel anyway, and would take me 2-3 min to do it anyway.

Again, 1-2 min warming up, or changing oil every 3-4k, won't hurt the car ... just like some people may brush their teeth twice a day, some may brush their teeth 5 times, or 10 times a day .. it probably won't hurt anyway.

By the way, not sure in Vancouver, but here, even asian/domestic brand .. ~ $120/hr + taxes + fee .. European brand, ~ $130-140/hr + taxes + fee .. even labour cost in B.C. is lower then Alberta, should be within 10-20%

作者: 字典仔 時間: 2009-12-16 18:27

i know -7 is consider warm to you guys, i was in alberta for 2 years and i remember there was one winter with -46 (1995 winter?!)

but u have a lease car and i dun think you plan to keep it anyways, who cares? but i haven't driven some lease vehicle and it feels like POS after about 1.5 years or 25k or so...i wouldn't want to lease it for another 1 year or 2 or 3 lor...paying all those money monthly yet i am driving a POS...

actually a lot of car during cold start rpm will be about 1500rpm or so, u can hear engine more noisy and as long as u can wait over that period until rpm dropped under 1000, that's almost the min i would wait...

oil change every 3k is a little bit excessive for most ppl (i do mine every 3000km if no track day, with track day will be about 1500km, and all my family's and close friend's vehicle every 4k; the longest interval i have ever recommend on a lease bmw is 8k...

true, $120/hr plus taxes and levy etc, shop supplies, usually about $140 an hour already...gosh...lucky i dun have to pay that...

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