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作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-15 11:36 標題: Buddhism

The topic of Christianity always stir some "heat" here. But how about Buddhism? Anyone here considered themselves 佛教徒 and willing to share some thoughts?

Here's something "funny" that 金庸 make use of the Buddhism belief:
佛曰：『我不入地獄，誰入地獄？』我們自當刀來頸受，這叫做我不給人殺頭，誰給人殺頭？不生不死，不垢不淨。有生故有滅，有頭故有殺。佛有三德：大定、大智、大悲。眾喇嘛持刀而來，我們不聞不見，不觀不識，是為大定﹔他們舉刀欲砍，我們當他刀即是空，空即是刀，是為大智﹔一刀刀將咱們的光頭都砍將下來，大家鳴呼哀哉，是為大悲。」
--from 鹿鼎記

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 12:29

我都算係佛教徒。

佛經比基督教的道理隨和得多。

對於教徒的交往亦冇咁PUSHY。
唔會聽道佛教徒不聽叫人去聽經。LIKE。。。叫過，咁咪得囉。人地唔去，咪當係冇緣。。。

但係神教徒唔係架嘛～好多都話，你冇時間呀？唔緊要，我地幾時再嚟搵你丫～唔聽BIBLE呀？ITS OK，嚟團契啦，一樣咋～咁我自己覺得。。。如果唔咁PUSHY會好D囉。起碼，多D人會覺得／印象你唔係PUSHY，係對你個教有HEART先囉～

咁我又覺得，宗教。。。係應該PROVIDE精神上的安慰。佛教與世無乜爭，係好事。
但係神教。。。點解要插手咁多野？睇返歷史，點解CHURCH要經手咁多政治？咁多科學？etc etc...

咁我覺得同宗教嘅PURPOSE冇咩關係囉。

ANYWAYS。。。實有人覺得唔啱聽架喇。。。OH WELL～

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 12:39

I don't like Christians who are pushy as well. I don't think that is the teaching of the Bible as well.

Christian believe in their God because they think they have sin and their God can save them. But how about 佛教? Why do you need to believe? And when you say you believe, what really is that you're believing?

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-12-15 12:42

2# B仔

我覺得好啱聽
但係我唔係佛教徒

作者: puZZle 時間: 2009-12-15 12:45

fibbi has been starting quite a few topics lately

Buddism... we really really have to define this term because it went through A LOT of developments

There are...
小乘佛教
大乘佛教
密教
禪宗
淨土
and last but not least.. the mixture of various cultural deities with buddism...
i.e. 華人民間信仰...
e.g. 拜女性化的觀音菩薩拜黃大仙拜孫悟空拜關公

of which, in the original form of buddism 小乘佛教, it is <i<ultimately Atheist</i>, because after all the 輪迴 (rebirths of the 6 realms), one goes into 涅槃 (Nirvana). Nirvana, in its 小乘(original) sense, means that you enter a final stage of painlessness. Another way to put it is that you become non-existent, and therefore no more pain.
So ULTIMATELY, there is no "god" in the "highest stage," hence sorta atheist...sorta

please correct me if I have said anything wrong

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2009-12-15 12:51

I think I am a 佛教徒. But I need to learn more about it.

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-12-15 12:53

May I say, Buddhism and Christianity both have no problem. The problem is the people who believe them, but not really know the actual meaning and twisted to what they think they're right. Both parties have bad apples, really bad ones.

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-12-15 12:53

I think I am a 佛教徒. But I need to learn more about it.
布小熊發表於 2009-12-15 13:51

人天长若?

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 13:08

I don't like Christians who are pushy as well. I don't think that is the teaching of the Bible as well.

Christian believe in their God because they think they have sin and their God can save them. ...
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-15 13:39

WELL，
我唔係一個好 "勤力" 嘅佛教徒。。。我可以學多D，但係，最緊要自己心靈舒服。
唔係話有事先拜佛。。。不過，過時過節，我自己會ENJOY去佛寺，食齋，同師傅傾計。。。
好多神教徒，特別是後生的，去教會，好似交功課咁，DRAG YOUR AXX THERE。。。咁，我覺得，冇意思。

有D咩事，我唔會話只係識求神拜佛，我都會識諗吓佛道，諗吓因果。。。唔會好似神教咁只求寬恕，希望冇事就算。

佛教教因果，教自己嘅修行，唔同神教的樣樣都係因為神嘅創造ETC。。。（WHICH IS FINE TO ME，唔關我事）

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 13:24

WELL，
我唔係一個好 "勤力" 嘅佛教徒。。。我可以學多D，但係，最緊要自己心靈舒服。
唔係話有事先拜佛。。。不過，過時過節，我自己會ENJOY去佛寺，食齋，同師傅傾計。。。
好多神教徒，特別是後生的，去教會，好 ...
B仔發表於 2009-12-15 14:08

I think you have misconceptions about Christians too, which is not abnormal because you might only saw the bad side and missed the good Apples. Doesn't matter though, not gonna debate about this here.

Buddha never claim himself is God right? I think 佛教徒 don't really worship Buddha or anything, like someone said they are more like Atheists. But you said you worshipped, so who/what are you worshipping?

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2009-12-15 13:45

2# B仔

Nah, Dala Lama is a monk, he also insists he is the head the Greater Tibet( included territories of Szechuan, Yunnan, Qinghai etc.
about 25% of the Chinese land) he is hungry for power and a very cunning politician. I have no problem with Chinese or
Sri Lankan buddhists thou

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 13:45

本帖最後由 B仔於 2009-12-15 15:10 編輯

大家唔同教，當然有MISCONCEPTIONS，唔出奇～冇問題。
我自己都相信，神教個INTENTION唔係咁PUSHY。
不過大眾所接收到嘅真係咁嘅INTERPRETATION。。。只可以講，希望神教可以再做好D。

佛教都有負面嘅新聞。有和尚呃錢，有法師呃信婦。我地冇話我地係完美。

大家睇吓新聞報紙。。。點解神教多咁多是非呢？多咁多神父呢樣個樣呢？
咁咪只好說，你地個教大D，一人多，自然複雜多。。。家家有本難念的經。

啦，
你都識講，我地嘅佛冇CLAIM HIMSELF AS GOD啦RIGHT。。。？
既然我地個教冇一個人。。。SHOULD I SAY。。。INDIVIDUAL... that claims oneself as responsible for "萬物創造"，乜野都係一人嘅功德。。。咁，又點可以用WORSHIP呢個TERM呢？神教唔同，乜野都要感謝你地嘅一個神。。。呢D，咪叫WORSHIP囉。

依我自己對佛教嘅尚淺嘅理解，我會話我地係一個 "BELIEF"，而唔係"WORSHIP"囉。
就算我地有好多唔同嘅觀音／佛。。。都係同神教嘅崇拜一個神係有好大＆有一定嘅DIFFERENCE囉。

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 13:55

本帖最後由 B仔於 2009-12-15 15:07 編輯

2# B仔

Nah, Dala Lama is a monk, he also insists he is the head the Greater Tibet( included territories of Szechuan, Yunnan, Qinghai etc.
about 25% of the Chinese land) he is hungry for power and ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2009-12-15 14:45

鬼唔知咩～
再睇睇。。。神教影響大。
過多10日，係咩國際假期日子？
一年有兩日，同佢地有關。

DONT GET ME WRONG，我冇話唔好，唔得。。。
大家放假，一樣開心～

作者: zuesel 時間: 2009-12-15 14:01

12# B仔

b-jai, your chinese is sooooo pro! you must be joking when you said you are not very good at it when we played chinese pictionary!
Sorry off topic here but can't resist!

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2009-12-15 14:10

13# B仔

December 26 is Mao's birthday, many people in China celebrate it.
Christmas is  a Commercial event , especially in US,  observing the religion virtual  is personal,
BTW, a real Catholic or Christian would not go dancing  parties  or get drunk, they
would gather and pray, or caroling. They only celebrate the birth of Christ,
Buddhist in many country celebrate the birth of Buddha as well.
Let us not forget,  Canadian and Yankees started with Christian pilgrims, without Christians,
the two countries would be quite different.
I would agree that Religion should separate from Politics, both the Vatican and Tibet, and the Anglican too.

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-12-15 14:22

I think you have misconceptions about Christians too, which is not abnormal because you might only saw the bad side and missed the good Apples. Doesn't matter though, not gonna debate about this her ...
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-15 13:24

Someone told me, it's all about "自修", unlike Christianity in which there is a God for believers to worship. Even there would be a Buddha statue in the temple, it's just like a "symbolic picture for memory" but not for worshiping. People twisted too much since long time ago.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-12-15 14:26

I don't like Christians who are pushy as well. I don't think that is the teaching of the Bible as well.

Christian believe in their God because they think they have sin and their God can save them. ...
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-15 12:39

the problem is, bible already mentioned that:
if u are not believing in him, u will be in hell (or some places that are without him)
if u are believing any other religion, u are worshiping demons

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-12-15 14:29

About the Buddhism, I agree with Ultraman that its more like a philosophy about life and universe and its only for 自修, the buddhism we see today is more like the mixture of Tao and the original Buddhism (thats my own feeling)

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 14:29

師傅，
哈哈哈哈
我係一個假WHITE WASH囉～ LOL

SOME叔叔，
係呀，我地有佛誕呀，ETC。。。
BUT，我個POINT係，係咪COMMERCIAL都好，都冇神教嘅CHRISTMAS同EASTER搞得咁國際化。
laa...呢樣，值得我地去欣賞神教，真係可以影響全球囉～（WHETHER OR NOT個節日嘅意義仲有幾多人會係o個日會諗諗）

我地呢代，生活都唔同。。。而家，冇話邊個係REAL嘅信徒嘅。。。最緊要，係你心中有（仲要唔係用宗教嚟做藉口嚟COVER做錯事），就得喇～

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-12-15 14:31

a real Catholic or Christian blah blah blah

dont tell me u can define what is a real Christian/Catholic
I saw/heard arguments among different church organization about what is the real christians and turns out to be pointing each other not a real christian

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2009-12-15 14:48

I have no intention to do so, I just want to point out it is not
the Christian who started  celebrating holidays by dancing
and feasting.
To me, the Christmas season is the time to sit back and meditate, to care
about the less fortunate people, and to  share happiness and sorrow.
You can tell the difference among the Buddhism in China, India, Sri-lanka,
Thailand, Tibet, Nepal and Japan, even the images of Buddha are all different.
People choose their religions, it is freedom, I do not buy the idea of FaLunKung,
but  I  do not think the CCP should just  wipe them out

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-12-15 14:56

FaLunKung didn't admit themselves as a religion, but claim themselves as a "sport", just like Yoga.

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 15:08

大家唔同教，當然有MISCONCEPTIONS，唔出奇～冇問題。
我自己都相信，神教個INTENTION唔係咁PUSHY。
不過大眾所接收到嘅真係咁嘅INTERPRETATION。。。只可以講，希望神教可以再做好D。

佛教都有負面嘅新聞。有和尚 ...
B仔發表於 2009-12-15 14:45

Maybe I didn't quite get what you're saying but you said "worship" in "唔係話有事先拜佛。。。" that means you worship? "不過，過時過節，我自己會ENJOY去佛寺，食齋，同師傅傾計。。。" that's why I asked.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2009-12-15 15:09

22# Ultraman

I would  accept yoga wit no problem,
but why  the believers have to give up their own fortune?
and why Li  proclaimed himself the 教主

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 15:12

the problem is, bible already mentioned that:
if u are not believing in him, u will be in hell (or some places that are without him)
if u are believing any other religion, u are worshiping demons ...
chunsh 發表於 2009-12-15 15:26

How is this pushy?

It's like the police tell you if you speed then you'll be fined.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-12-15 15:17

How is this pushy?

It's like the police tell you if you speed then you'll be fined.
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-15 15:12

its like the ex-president Bush: "either you are with us (the usa), or you are our enemies"
also, can anyone give any proof about the god in other religions are demons (if not, that means its just a subjective opinion that is insulting other people's believes)?

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 15:18

Maybe I didn't quite get what you're saying but you said "worship" in "唔係話有事先拜佛。。。" that means you worship? "不過，過時過節，我自己會ENJOY去佛寺，食齋，同師傅傾計。。。" that's why I asked ...
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-15 16:08

i see....
but now you know i mean 拜 does not equal & is different to 崇拜
we do not worship ONE being, we do not pray to ONE INDIVIDUAL, our world is not because of ONE
my point is... the "view" of the religion's origin is very different... Christian VS Buddhism

去佛寺，食齋 etc is a religion "practice" & not "worship"

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-12-15 15:22

22# Ultraman

I would  accept yoga wit no problem,
but why  the believers have to give up their own fortune?
and why Li  proclaimed himself the 教主
somewhereintime 發表於 2009-12-15 15:09

Don't get me wrong, that's what they claimed, not me. And, I don't buy their idea anyways.

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-12-15 15:25

How is this pushy?

It's like the police tell you if you speed then you'll be fined.
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-15 15:12

Bad example.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2009-12-15 15:29

27# B仔

Why would one "practice the ritual" but " not believing"
so dancing in front of 四面佛 naked is a ritual practice or worship?
does it applied to ladies only or men as well?
Never heard a man would dance in front of 四面佛 naked.
Just curious, no intention to offense anyone.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-12-15 15:39

27# B仔

Why would one "practice the ritual" but " not believing"
so dancing in front of 四面佛 naked is a ritual practice or worship?
does it applied to ladies only or men as well?
Never heard a ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2009-12-15 15:29

I think religion just like other cultures stuffs (e.g. dining, politics, music, arts, etc)
when one one of those things origin from one place to another, the local people will modify what they got from the one who created that thing and would add something to what they got.

A very good example is the western style foods/dishes. What we saw in the hk style steakhouse was originated from Europe, but then when this dining style got "transferred" to hk, we hk people modified it. Same as politics.

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 15:41

i see....
but now you know i mean 拜 does not equal & is different to 崇拜
we do not worship ONE being, we do not pray to ONE INDIVIDUAL, our world is not because of ONE
my point is... the "view" of ...
B仔發表於 2009-12-15 16:18

拜 is the same as 崇拜 la...

you should use the word "自修" like someone said if you mean practice?

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 15:43

Bad example.
Ultraman 發表於 2009-12-15 16:25

how is it a bad example, and what's a good example?

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-15 15:55

本帖最後由 fibbi 於 2009-12-15 17:00 編輯

所謂信仰，信則有，不信則無。好多嘢而家都唔係咁易prove到。我相信如果真係跟住十戒嚟做人，個人都唔會點差得去邊。而佛教嘅belief，好似講到輪迴，倘若你相信前世因，今世果；因果循環，報應不爽的話，都可以警惕人唔好做壞事。聽得多色即是空，空即是色，一切都唔會再咁執着。如果信仰係可以導人向善，令你平安喜樂的話，就已經足夠啦。

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 16:07

its like the ex-president Bush: "either you are with us (the usa), or you are our enemies"
also, can anyone give any proof about the god in other religions are demons (if not, that means its just a ...
chunsh 發表於 2009-12-15 16:17

Aren't you alwasy given choices in life?  So you think life is pushy?  Does your boss tell you you either come to work on time or you're fired.  Does your parents tell you don't play with fire or you will burn yourself?  These are cause and effect?  I can understand why you say it is pushy.  Just like your bf/gf tells you to marry him/her or break up right?  But this is not cause and effect argument.  It's a preference.

So if a Christian tells you if you don't believe you go to hell.  OK, so if you don't have the very basic belief that there's a god and he will judge people on their sin, then you think this is pushy.  Yes, I can see why.  However, if even the lower moral humans have the idea of a justice system in our society, why would a god doesn't?  Shouldn't a god (doesn't have to be Christian god) has higher moral?

There's no physical proof, it's a belief.  If you believe in only one true god then you believe what he said.  It's a series of believes.

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 16:12

所謂信仰，信則有，不信則無。好多嘢而家都唔係咁易prove到。我相信如果真係跟住十戒嚟做人，個人都唔會點差得去邊。而佛教嘅belief，好似講到輪迴，倘若你相信前世因，今世果；因果循環，報應不爽的話，都可以警惕 ...
fibbi 發表於 2009-12-15 16:55

I don't think 佛教 teaches you to be 平安喜樂 lor, instead I think it wants you to become no happiness, no sorrows, no feelings about anything lor. At the end you become "no self"???

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-12-15 16:13

There's no physical proof, it's a belief.

a blief, thank you

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2009-12-15 16:20

本來無一物

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 16:24

本帖最後由 B仔於 2009-12-15 17:25 編輯

算吧。

我諗你地都見到，我有話佛教係信自己嘅修行，佛教嘅角度唔係話所有野都係有"一神而存在"，係唔係話人地嘅教嘅PRACTICE係信／或者唔相信而做。。。我亦講過話冇話咩係真教徒，假教徒，只要心裡有，唔係歪曲折理便行。

佛教係最終修到五根清淨出家etc
但係個POINT係唔係人人做到。
你自己安樂去到邊個LEVEL，心靈上安慰，行善。。。就已經係每一個任何一個宗教嘅PURPOSE啦。

你睇吓。。。有幾多人，好好的討論，亦要斷章除意，就知，有D人，根本心藏咩念頭同你所謂交流唔同宗教＆信仰。

呢D，咪叫溝通囉。FIBBI話，點解CHRISTIAN好多時令人反感。睇吓呢個POST咪知囉。冇論嗰個人係咪神教徒都好，討論宗教，唔係咁嘅態度囉。

ps: 超速個例子，得罪，真係有點荒謬。

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-12-15 16:29

算吧。

我諗你地都見到，我有話佛教係信自己嘅修行，佛教嘅角度唔係話所有野都係有"一神而存在"，係唔係話人地嘅教嘅PRACTICE係信／或者唔相信而做。。。我亦講過話冇話咩係真教徒，假教徒，只要心裡有，唔係歪曲折 ...
B仔發表於 2009-12-15 16:24

one good thing is that more and more 神教徒 today know their old way to spread their religion would just create more dislike of their religion and they have changed their way that, if they found out u have insisted to have no interests to their religions, they will just walk away instead of being pushy. Thats good, more peace

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-12-15 16:32

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2009-12-15 17:35 編輯

39# B仔

乜唔係六根清淨咩?
重有子孫根呀

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-15 16:46

36# shutterbug

Whether Buddhism teaches you to be 平安喜樂 or not doesn't matter. What matters more is that if you believe in Buddhism, do you feel more 平安喜樂 yourself. i.e. do you find more inner peace or not.

I"m not claiming myself as Buddhist, nor Catholic. The thread is intended to talk more about Buddhism, but it's alright. I'm still glad to see more point of view and discussion here.

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 16:54

one good thing is that more and more 神教徒 today know their old way to spread their religion would just create more dislike of their religion and they have changed their way that, if they found out ...
chunsh 發表於 2009-12-15 17:29

呢度冇人要PROMOTE D咩。。。
有POST，咪講吓囉。
你睇返之前神教嘅POST，好多人會得閒QUOTE吓聖經呢段，嗰段。。。得閒有人叫你去試吓參加D活動ETC。。。
ATLEAST，我只係講自己嘅睇法，我唔需要去QUOTE D咩嚟舉例，我唔會叫人去睇吓佛經書。
信仰可以好簡單去討論架。

你覺得你地去崇拜咪OK囉～
我食吓齋FOR我嘅信仰係我嘅信念。
AT LEAST我覺得拜就係信念嘅一種，唔需要比人逼話你係WORSHIP一個FIGURE

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 17:01

本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2009-12-15 18:09 編輯

36# shutterbug

Whether Buddhism teaches you to be 平安喜樂 or not doesn't matter. What matters more is that if you believe in Buddhism, do you feel more 平安喜樂 yourself. i.e. do you find more in ...
fibbi 發表於 2009-12-15 17:46

It does matter because we're discussing about it here and I want to know what it's all about.

Is it really to just have 平安喜樂?  Can you really have true peace?  I've seen many who calimed themselves Buddhism but died with fear, stress, pain, tears???  Why?

I thought the ultimate goal in Buddhism is to achieve no love, no desire, no self, etc...?  Isn't that the teachings?  It's seems contradicting to me.  How do you have peace (or any kind of feeling for that matter) when you're trying to achieve "no self"?

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 17:02

Whether Buddhism teaches you to be 平安喜樂 or not doesn't matter. What matters more is that if you believe in Buddhism, do you feel more 平安喜樂 yourself. i.e. do you find more inner peace or not.fibbi 發表於 2009-12-15 17:46

Knowing Fibbi is Christian, & I consider myself Buddhism, I agree with this.
As I mentioned before, as long as you are content, you are "mentally happy", that is the ultimate purpose for ANY religion for its believers.

Every belief have some sort of immortal destiny, it's not about who can really actually successful in reality... if your sake of arguement or POV is about this... then, you're already don't see the point of existence of different religions.

it's about if you are successful in in maintaining a balanced SELF SPRITUALITY.

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 17:04

算吧。

我諗你地都見到，我有話佛教係信自己嘅修行，佛教嘅角度唔係話所有野都係有"一神而存在"，係唔係話人地嘅教嘅PRACTICE係信／或者唔相信而做。。。我亦講過話冇話咩係真教徒，假教徒，只要心裡有，唔係歪曲折 ...
B仔發表於 2009-12-15 17:24

斷章取意? No la, I just ask what I dont' understand because you don't seem to follow your own logics or words.

If that's the way you want to judge me then fine. It's all up to you. I hate to 斷章取意 myself too so please don't do the same to my words.

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 17:05

a blief, thank you
chunsh 發表於 2009-12-15 17:13

isn't that what it is from the beginning? someone told you otherwise?

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-15 17:06

45# B仔

B jai, I am NOT Christian. I studied in Catholic school, but I"m not baptized ga. Otherwise I can't make paper "products" and worship ancestor and 天神觀音地主 in my house.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-15 17:29

44# shutterbug

四大楷空，又點會唔和平，唔平安呢。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 17:47

明明講緊佛教, 結果都要燒返去基督教果度...
各位佛教徒請做少少野, 繼續講佛教, 回頭是岸~

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 18:13

斷章取意? No la, I just ask what I dont' understand because you don't seem to follow your own logics or words.

If that's the way you want to judge me then fine. It's all up to you. I hate to 斷章 ...
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-15 18:04

Logic Case:

Police tells you if you speed, you will get fined
VS
Bible tells you if you don't believe, you will be in hell

Another case:
去佛寺拜佛
VS
去教會崇拜主

你會唔會使用個拜字嚟講耶穌？
同樣，你唔會用崇拜呢個TERM嚟講佛學。
所以，我反對SHUTTERBUG聽完我解釋都係堅持話我嘅解釋："拜 EQUAL TO 崇拜"
再加埋人地使用中文嚟討論某D野，
你就用英文嚟話人地中文用意不對。
你用英國嘅LOGIC，你個意思係"邏輯"呀？定係"合理"呀？
兩者都已經唔合邏輯亦不合理啦～

至於MJJ，
FIBBI一法BUDDHISM做題，第一個POST已寫明CHRISTIAN多爭論。不嬲，作為作答參與嘅，用BUDDHISM同CHRISTIAN嚟作一個比例，有咩問題？而家，只有人話CHRISTIAN不是咩？唔係喎。有人話佛教也有污點丫。連我自己都兩邊都有話有負面的事。。。
你又為何咁OVER PROTECTIVE？係咪，成年人都要咁唔大方，咁唔OPEN？

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 18:38

至於MJJ，
FIBBI一法BUDDHISM做題，第一個POST已寫明CHRISTIAN多爭論。不嬲，作為作答參與嘅，用BUDDHISM同CHRISTIAN嚟作一個比例，有咩問題？而家，只有人話CHRISTIAN不是咩？唔係喎。有人話佛教也有污點丫。連我自己都兩邊都有話有負面的事。。。
你又為何咁OVER PROTECTIVE？係咪，成年人都要咁唔大方，咁唔OPEN？
B仔發表於 2009-12-16 10:13

你有冇搞錯! 我只係講左少少野, 你就可以引申出我OVER PROTECTIVE?!?!?!
我只係想提一提大家呢一個係佛教thread, 你又燒到我唔大方, 你係唔係諗多左?

小弟思想單純, 冇諗過你呢d 大方既成年人可以由小弟幾句野而推測出咁多野而又推測錯law.

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2009-12-15 19:36

拜 is the same as 崇拜 la...

you should use the word "自修" like someone said if you mean practice?
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-15 16:41

我拜你

我崇拜你

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-12-15 19:55

我拜你

我崇拜你
habitrailspace 發表於 2009-12-15 19:36

haha, good example

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2009-12-15 19:56

有d BLANK hard drive installed OSX 10.6 snow leopard
有d BLANK hard drive installed Windows 7 ultimate
有d BLANK hard drive installed Linux/Ubuntu

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-12-15 20:54

27# B仔

Why would one "practice the ritual" but " not believing"
so dancing in front of 四面佛 naked is a ritual practice or worship?
does it applied to ladies only or men as well?
Never heard a ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2009-12-15 15:29

When talking about 四面佛, it's more like 印度 and/or 泰國, which I think this topic is talking about 中國佛教, they're quite different.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 20:58

When talking about 四面佛, it's more like 印度 and/or 泰國, which I think this topic is talking about 中國佛教, they're quite different.
Ultraman 發表於 2009-12-16 12:54

其實泰國既佛教同中國既佛教有冇唔同?
印度都有四面佛架? 真係唔知了~
咁四面佛有冇傳入中國?

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-12-15 21:04

how is it a bad example, and what's a good example?
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-15 15:43

You compared heaven & hell with cop (law) & crime, it's like something "abstract" compare with "solid form". And most importantly, not every single person believe in heaven and hell; but all people know there are cops and laws.

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 21:06

你有冇搞錯! 我只係講左少少野, 你就可以引申出我OVER PROTECTIVE?!?!?!
我只係想提一提大家呢一個係佛教thread, 你又燒到我唔大方, 你係唔係諗多左?

小弟思想單純, 冇諗過你呢d 大方既成年人可以由小弟幾句野而推 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-15 19:38

可能真係我諗多咗啦～
睇吓。。。EEE。。。係喎～

就算我覺得每個教都有長處同短處都好，最好只係講自己，唔好拿出嚟公平討論，唔好對各宗教嘅睇法平等。。。
因為，話自己教就可以，當你話自己的不是but simultaneously批評人地個教，都係得罪。我真係冇搞錯喇嚟次，你講得咁白，反應咁敏感，我點會唔明唔崇拜你neh～

人地會話："施主，想得太多只佔塵埃，回頭是岸。"

B真係罪過罪過～

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-12-15 21:07

i think some people mess up 拜神 & 學佛
i will say i am a 佛教徒, eventhough i don't know much. because i agree the 大愛 idea. as long as you have a good person and doing good things, you will have good future, it may be in your next life. so people will love/help each others, since it is helping themselves as well.
i don't dislike god, but christians really push me away. they always push you to believe their god. they always say how good it is. but they rarely do what they said.

作者: Ultraman 時間: 2009-12-15 21:07

其實泰國既佛教同中國既佛教有冇唔同?
印度都有四面佛架? 真係唔知了~
咁四面佛有冇傳入中國?
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-15 20:58

I'm not an expert, but for your curiosity, I quoted from Wiki:
[四面佛是印度婆罗门教神祇，原是婆罗门教三大主神之一的梵天，是创造天地之神。在东南亚、泰国被认为是法力无边，掌握人间荣华富贵之神；其四面分别朝向东南西北，供信众祈福。由于外形近似中国佛像，中文译名多为四面佛，但事实上四面佛不是佛，所以准确而言应译为四面神。......]

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-12-15 21:15

Buddha never claim himself is God right? I think 佛教徒 don't really worship Buddha or anything.
is god equal to 佛? 佛教徒 did worship Buddha, just we don't use the word 'worship'. in india & thailand, they have different celebration to show their love to Buddha
some people have misconceptions about Christians, and others have misconceptions about 佛教.

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 21:18

拜神，信佛，愛主 ETC。。。

每個教（邪教例外），都係傳某種包容，某種愛，某種解脫。呢個係原意。

之後，D信徒用D咩方式＆態度去傳教的奧秘／智慧，就形成今時今日比人嘅咩印象。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 21:18

可能真係我諗多咗啦～
睇吓。。。EEE。。。係喎～

就算我覺得每個教都有長處同短處都好，最好只係講自己，唔好拿出嚟公平討論，唔好對各宗教嘅睇法平等。。。
因為，話自己教就可以，當你話自己的不是but simultan ...
B仔發表於 2009-12-16 13:06

B仔, 下次唔好屈我就得了~

其實, 小弟覺得自已信乜野教都好, 都唔應該批評其他人既宗教信仰law, 討論下就冇乜問題既~

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 21:22

拜神，信佛，愛主 ETC。。。

每個教（邪教例外），都係傳某種包容，某種愛，某種解脫。呢個係原意。

之後，D信徒用D咩方式＆態度去傳教的奧秘，／智慧，就形成今時今日比人嘅咩印象。 ...
B仔發表於 2009-12-16 13:18

幾好丫, 我都覺得乜野宗教都好, 只要係導人向善就已經係一個好既宗教了.
D信徒用D咩方式＆態度去傳教, 就真係好睇佢地既style. 小弟成日o係街見刑d 東正教既教士, 佢既都幾nice, 會主動同人打招呼的. 亦見過唔少基督教既人士上門介紹我買"守望台" (唔記得個名了), 都唔係一定迫我買既, 唔買都唔會黑面的.

作者: tofu 時間: 2009-12-15 21:22

四面佛 is 婆羅門教 originally from india. it is not from 佛教. eventhough 佛教 is originally from india too

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 21:23

I'm not an expert, but for your curiosity, I quoted from Wiki:
[四面佛是印度婆罗门教神祇，原是婆罗门教三大主神之一的梵天，是创造天地之神。在东南亚、泰国被认为是法力无边，掌握人间荣华富贵之神；其四面 ...
Ultraman 發表於 2009-12-16 13:07

原來如此~~~~~

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 21:24

四面佛 is 婆羅門教 originally from india. it is not from 佛教. eventhough 佛教 is originally from india too
tofu 發表於 2009-12-16 13:22

咁婆羅門教同印度教係唔係唔同的?

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 21:31

B仔, 下次唔好屈我就得了~

其實, 小弟覺得自已信乜野教都好, 都唔應該批評其他人既宗教信仰law, 討論下就冇乜問題既~
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-15 22:18

EEE，SORRY，我唔知我篤得呢句咁鬼應添～

冇話屈唔屈。事實：
既然神教覺得唔可以o係一個討論內, 同其他教公平辯論公平observe每個教有什麼好與壞，已經係自我防範嘅行為。
我何來算屈你太PROTECTIVE？

你咁敏感，我地呢D咁坦白嘅人，下次試下溫柔D囉～

作者: B仔 時間: 2009-12-15 21:38

四面佛 is 婆羅門教 originally from india. it is not from 佛教. eventhough 佛教 is originally from india too
tofu 發表於 2009-12-15 22:22

simple example for above:
神教
VS
天主教
VS
基督教

example of this thread:
神教 VS 佛教
Windows VS MAC

just for a good laugh example:
你可以話MAC唔方便又貴
不過你唔可以話WINDOWS冇MAC咁FUNCTIONAL，因為全球大部份人，都係PC USER，唔係MAC USER。
你自己話你自己部機唔好用就好喇，人地部機，唔係你用嘅，唔關你事～

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-12-15 21:46

haha, good example
chunsh 發表於 2009-12-15 20:55

I worship you
I adore you
any difference?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 21:51

EEE，SORRY，我唔知我篤得呢句咁鬼應添～

冇話屈唔屈。事實：
既然神教覺得唔可以o係一個討論內, 同其他教公平辯論公平observe每個教有什麼好與壞，已經係自我防範嘅行為。
我何來算屈你太PROTECTIVE？

你咁敏感 ...
B仔發表於 2009-12-16 13:31

小弟從來冇講過乜野"神教覺得唔可以o係一個討論內, 同其他教公平辯論公平observe每個教有什麼好與壞"!
小弟只係講"小弟覺得自已信乜野教都好, 都唔應該批評其他人既宗教信仰law, 討論下就冇乜問題既"!

如果B仔連批評同討論都分唔到, EEE，SORRY，我唔知到原來你中文咁鬼差的~~~~~

事實:
小弟可能係比較protective, 但係唔係protect 自己既宗教, 係protect 大家既宗教自由, 同protect 各宗教應得到適當的尊重!
B仔, 希望你睇得明小弟講乜, 你呢d 唔係叫坦白, 係叫做"黎"橫節曲. 欲加之罪, 何患無辭... o徙氣...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 21:56

simple example for above:
神教
VS
天主教
VS
基督教

example of this thread:
神教 VS 佛教
Windows VS MAC

just for a good laugh example:
你可以話MAC唔方便又貴
不過你唔可以話WINDOWS冇MAC咁FUNCTIONAL， ...
B仔發表於 2009-12-16 13:38

其實善意既討論係一件好事, 會令人更加明白自己既諗法的.
只不過, 有時d 批評係有d 過火, 舉返Windows vs. Mac 既例子.
有人鍾意mac, 佢可以compare 一下mac 比windows 優勝既地方, that's fine.
只有d 鍾意mac 既人, 會講:
1. 你用Windows? 咁out 架~
2. 用Windows? 剩係你呢d 咁既古老石山先用啦! 去申請弱能人士津貼啦!
咁就唔係咁好law.

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-12-15 21:56

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2009-12-15 22:58 編輯

B仔舌戰群儒
揮灑自如
欽佩欽佩

贈卿一厥偈

菩提本無樹
明镜亦非台
本來無一物
何處惹塵埃

善哉善哉

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-12-15 22:04

I worship you
I adore you
any difference?
sheep 發表於 2009-12-15 21:46

yes, of course, seriously, thats why I said that is a good example

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-12-15 22:08

yes, of course, seriously, thats why I said that is a good example
chunsh 發表於 2009-12-15 23:04

So is SB got mix up

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 22:19

So is SB got mix up
sheep 發表於 2009-12-16 14:08

SB 快d 出黎認錯啦... 你一日唔認錯, 就會比人講落去架喇.

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-12-15 22:35

77# mcjohnjohn

就慿你?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 22:42

77# mcjohnjohn

就慿你?
sheep 發表於 2009-12-16 14:35

好多事當然唔係靠小弟一已之力可以達到啦~
羊羊, 不如你都加入"要求SB有錯就要認"既大聯盟啦, 好唔好? 小弟相信, 只要每人出一分力, 齊心便能事成的!

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 22:50

本帖最後由 shutterbug 於 2009-12-15 23:55 編輯

SB 快d 出黎認錯啦... 你一日唔認錯, 就會比人講落去架喇.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-15 23:19

認what錯? Are you nuts?

I go by the definitions...

http://usa.mdbg.net/chindict/chi ... &wdqb=%E6%8B%9C

http://usa.mdbg.net/chindict/chi ... =%E5%B4%87%E6%8B%9C

Whoever kept saying they're not equal should brush up his Chinese lor....斷章取意? Do you know what 斷章取意 really means? I don't think you've used it correctly. There's nothing wrong with typing English and discussing about Chinese. Lots of profs do that in University isn't it?

作者: sheep 時間: 2009-12-15 22:55

認what錯? Are you nuts?

I go by the definitions...

http://usa.mdbg.net/chindict/chi ... &wdqb=%E6%8B%9C

http://usa.mdbg.net/chindict/chi ... t&wdrst=1&w ...
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-15 23:50

扺屌

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 22:57

44# shutterbug

四大楷空，又點會唔和平，唔平安呢。
fibbi 發表於 2009-12-15 18:29

ok you may have peace but someone was saying "平安喜樂"...happy is part of it...if 四大楷空 how do you get happy?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2009-12-15 22:58

認what錯? Are you nuts?

I go by the definitions...

http://usa.mdbg.net/chindict/chi ... &wdqb=%E6%8B%9C

http://usa.mdbg.net/chindict/chi ... t&wdrst=1&w ...
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-15 22:50

nice, adore = worship
which planet of dictionary do u have?

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 23:07

nice, adore = worship
which planet of dictionary do u have?
chunsh 發表於 2009-12-15 23:58

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/adore

see def #2, 4

sigh...do some research before you challenge me...I cant believe it...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 23:11

認what錯? Are you nuts?

I go by the definitions...

http://usa.mdbg.net/chindict/chi ... &wdqb=%E6%8B%9C

http://usa.mdbg.net/chindict/chi ... t&wdrst=1&w ...
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-16 14:50

你唔係唔知我係nuts 丫麻?...
拜同崇拜, 一個得一個字, 一個有兩個字, 點都一定有d 唔同啦... 你同人拗仲乜woh.
example, 填充:
1. 媽媽跟MJJ說:"MJJ, 你年初一要跟我一起___年啊!"
2. 爸爸跟MJJ說:"MJJ, 你不要盲目___偶像啊!"

人地揸住呢一點都可以練死你啦.
而家呢度審查得好厲害, 打完篇野如果唔想比人批判既話, 最好都係proof read 一下穩陣了.

j/k

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2009-12-15 23:23

我自已本來對咩教都無咩所謂.

但大左, 就愈來愈討厭天主教,基督教. 尤其是大部份教陡D嘴臉. 一句唔岩聽, 踩親佢地條尾, 或同佢地主觀或宗教人生觀唔同, 就要正法我地呢D所謂異教陡, 異類.

愈來愈愛上佛教, 係一個令我覺得舒服既宗教.

呢D係我本人既感受, 有人反對也好, 唔中意也好, 對不起, 你無得反對我既感受. 係由心度討厭一D人, 一D宗教.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-15 23:37

82# shutterbug

To me, 四大皆空 is not easy to achieve. Having inner peace will lead to my own happiness thus 平安喜樂 la.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 23:39

我自已本來對咩教都無咩所謂.

但大左, 就愈來愈討厭天主教,基督教. 尤其是大部份教陡D嘴臉. 一句唔岩聽, 踩親佢地條尾, 或同佢地主觀或宗教人生觀唔同, 就要正法我地呢D所謂異教陡, 異類.

愈來愈愛上佛教, 係 ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2009-12-16 15:23

老友, 逆地而處, 我完全明白你感受!
最緊要自己搵到一d 適合自己既野, 過得開心又唔會傷害到人就得啦~
你唔會連我呢個天主教徒都討厭卦, 我對你都算唔差啦.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 23:40

82# shutterbug

To me, 四大皆空 is not easy to achieve. Having inner peace will lead to my own happiness thus 平安喜樂 la.
fibbi 發表於 2009-12-16 15:37

四大皆空之中既四大係代表d 乜野架?

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2009-12-15 23:47

你唔係唔知我係nuts 丫麻?...
拜同崇拜, 一個得一個字, 一個有兩個字, 點都一定有d 唔同啦... 你同人拗仲乜woh.
example, 填充:
1. 媽媽跟MJJ說:"MJJ, 你年初一要跟我一起___年啊!"
2. 爸爸跟MJJ說:"MJJ, 你不要盲 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-16 00:11

Aren't you taking it out of the context here? We're talking about the word "拜" that's is towards a god, not 年 or 偶像.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-15 23:50

本帖最後由 fibbi 於 2009-12-16 00:55 編輯

89# mcjohnjohn

After a bit googling....here's what I got:
甚麼叫做四大呢？就是：地、水、火、風。為什麼這四樣東西叫做「大」呢？大者，言其普遍無物不有的意思。有如現今化學中所稱的原素一樣。所以地、水、火、風，稱為「四大」，這是古代印度對於宇宙萬象研究到最後，所得到的結論。每件東西，只要是物質世界的，沒有不是這四種原素所集合而成的，所以佛教裡又名此地水火風的四大為「四大種」。...所以說：四大皆空。這裡所說的空，不是什麼都沒有空空洞洞的空，是說萬物的本身，沒有可以特立獨存的實在自體，所以說空。
世間上根本就沒有可以稱為最後獨立存在的東西的，不管是唯心、唯物，或唯我與唯神，在佛法的真理觀察起來，都是根本不通之論，所以佛法不主張有神。佛法講空，不是說什麼事物都沒有，只是說事物是因緣和合所生的法，其本身是要受其他關係條件之配合而存在的。沒有真實獨立常存不變的自體，佛法名這樣的存在為幻有、假名有、或世俗有。能夠知道一切法由因緣的湊合而成，也由因緣的分散而崩析，就不會在一切法上再起實執。學佛的人之所以名為「看破紅塵」，其主要的意義，也就在此。看破紅塵學佛、出家，不過是看破而已，不是把紅塵等的一切緣起有的事根本否定了。一個人如果真正明白了這些道理，對於我們人生的向上努力是有很大幫助的，而一般人反誤會這是消極的、厭世的，這是絲毫沒有理由的。

From here:
http://www.hkbuddhist.org/magazine/473/473_13.html

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 23:51

Aren't you taking it out of the context here? We're talking about the word "拜" that's is towards a god, not 年 or 偶像.
shutterbug 發表於 2009-12-16 15:47

你唔係唔知有人同你講dictionary 既meaning 丫麻... 仲叫你搵字典tim.
不如你講清楚d 拜同崇拜點解係一樣啦...
或者有冇人可以清楚d 拜同崇拜點解係唔一樣啦...

小弟不才, 覺得拜同崇拜硬係有少少分別, 但係又唔知, 又唔諗住去研究佢地有乜野分別...

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2009-12-15 23:51

老友, 逆地而處, 我完全明白你感受!
最緊要自己搵到一d 適合自己既野, 過得開心又唔會傷害到人就得啦~
你唔會連我呢個天主教徒都討厭卦, 我對你都算唔差啦. ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2009-12-16 00:39

你唔討厭, 仲好可愛.
唔同你討論宗教, 政治咪OK 囉.

作者: zoids 時間: 2009-12-15 23:53

Finally a good long thread that is not full of BS or personal attacks. Good job guys. Haven't seen things like this since 2007...

/out

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 23:56

89# mcjohnjohn

After a bit googling....here's what I got:
甚麼叫做四大呢？就是：地、水、火、風。為什麼這四樣東西叫做「大」呢？大者，言其普遍無物不有的意思。有如現今化學中所稱的原素一樣。所以地、水 ...
fibbi 發表於 2009-12-16 15:50

原來四大係咁既意思~
fibbi, 你唔好以為我懶得google, 只係我覺得LYK講既野比google 上search 到既野要可信.
我好怕o係google search 錯野, 尤其是係一d 自己唔多熟悉既野啊~

純粹八卦, 唔知LYK呢度有冇佛學大師呢?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-15 23:59

你唔討厭, 仲好可愛.
唔同你討論宗教, 政治咪OK 囉.
rainbow-davie 發表於 2009-12-16 15:51

拿拿拿, 你唔好用"可愛"黎形容我, 咁樣我會感覺有危險的!!!

可以叫我型男或者俊男都得(如果你唔怕會嘔既話)~

冇錯, 同我講宗教, 你就會感受到我難得既堅持; 而同我講政治, 你就會感受到好似仍左d 野入一個無底洞入面! 至醒都係你!

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-15 23:59

95# mcjohnjohn

Actually it's good to raise this kind of questions ga....coz if no one mention... 自己就懶得google啦
And even reference seems a bit hard to understand....so it would be really nice if there are some expert to share thoughts about Buddhism or the actual "belief". That's also the intention of this thread.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-16 00:01

Finally a good long thread that is not full of BS or personal attacks. Good job guys. Haven't seen things like this since 2007...

/out
zoids 發表於 2009-12-16 15:53

通常一講呢d 唔吉利既野就會...

所以, 請大家繼續佛學研討會~~~ yeah!

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2009-12-16 00:03

95# mcjohnjohn

Actually it's good to raise this kind of questions ga....coz if no one mention... 自己就懶得google啦
And even reference seems a bit hard to understand....so it would be really nice ...
fibbi 發表於 2009-12-16 15:59

係呀, 你果兩段, 第一段就明, 第二段就有d 深law.

-- 一頭霧水中既MJJ

作者: soli 時間: 2009-12-16 00:07

每件東西，只要是物質世界的，沒有不是這四種原素所集合而成的，所以佛教裡又名此地水火風的四大為「四大種」。

用緣起法講四大皆空其實有少少牽強﹐畢竟“沒有可以特立獨存的實在自體” 同 “空” 既意思唔係幾相乎。
不過﹐物質係可以與能量互換(eg 核融合/分裂)﹐所以即使唔用緣起法則﹐四大皆空也講得通﹐仲非常先進添~

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