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作者: Ovaltine 時間: 2009-12-26 12:20 標題: 社民連 League of Social Democrats

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Just came back from Hong Kong after a 2 month trip, keep hearing these 社民連 lighting up on the news. Am pretty impressed. What do you guys think of them? a bunch of rascals? or warriors defending democracy like robin hood?

作者: zoids 時間: 2009-12-26 15:43

Total fail. Have they heard of verbal violence? I agree HK gov't is **** but I don't think they are help at all, just stir **** up and call it their career. They aren't even real politicians in my mind, more like opportunists.

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-12-26 18:29

Total fail. Have they heard of verbal violence? I agree HK gov't is **** but I don't think they are help at all, just stir **** up and call it their career. They aren't even real politicians in my mind, more like opportunists.
zoids 發表於 2009-12-26 15:43

兄弟，你無病呀化？使唔使 check 吓個腦有無事呀？ Political opportunist? 淨係推動五區公投呢吓野，就算順利重返議會，社民連三子每人最少唔見 100個。一個可以大哪哪唔見 100個嘅機會，我又唔見民賤聯班擦鞋仔出來做？又唔見白鴿黨班無膽匪類出來攪？

毓民論盡中港台時事同政治事件廿幾年之多，佢嘅政治水平之高，真係當下立法會裡面無人能給。大舊（陳偉業）亦從政廿幾年，五度當選立法局同立法會議員，你估同張文光果啲垃圾一樣廿幾年來都係死丫住個功能組別來做議員㗎？毛哥嘅政績以前講過，你自己去睇下咩叫做竊聽條例同 JR啦。

自己目光如豆就出少句聲，咪出來顯醜露乖啦。

-力

作者: soli 時間: 2009-12-26 19:44

我等睇戲

作者: heykevin 時間: 2009-12-26 22:46

本帖最後由 heykevin 於 2009-12-26 23:53 編輯

兄弟，你無病呀化？使唔使 check 吓個腦有無事呀？ Political opportunist? 淨係推動五區公投呢吓野，就算順利重返議會，社民連三子每人最少唔見 100個。一個可以大哪哪唔見 100個嘅機會，我又唔見民賤聯班擦鞋仔出來做？又唔見白鴿黨班無膽匪類出來攪？

毓民論盡中港台時事同政治事件廿幾年之多，佢嘅政治水平之高，真係當下立法會裡面無人能給。大舊（陳偉業）亦從政廿幾年，五度當選立法局同立法會議員，你估同張文光果啲垃圾一樣廿幾年來都係死丫住個功能組別來做議員㗎？毛哥嘅政績以前講過，你自己去睇下咩叫做竊聽條例同 JR啦。

自己目光如豆就出少句聲，咪出來顯醜露乖啦。

-力
Lik 發表於 2009-12-26 19:29

大舊（陳偉業） may lose in the by-election.

In the past two elections, he could manage to get the last seat in NT West.

作者: ricrick 時間: 2009-12-26 22:49

本帖最後由 ricrick 於 2009-12-26 23:51 編輯

無可否認，社民連確實比其他泛民主派更懂得創造議題，而是這正正是整個泛民主派的弱點。其策略簡單而言，就是以衝突來突顯矛盾，建立鮮明形像，號召群眾，並以之作為組織的動力，以戰養戰，越戰越勇。雖然愛者越愛同時也會恨者越恨，但在比例代表制下，只要堅守政治光譜最左一角便能立於不敗之地。
五區總辭的建議，其實是同一邏輯的伸延。香港爭取民主之路有多艱，大家都心中有數，你真相信 2017有真民主？因此，香港人需要動作、需要鼓舞、需要有存在感，讓民主運動繼續『動』下去。
五區總辭作為變相公投，要的應該是明確的民意。如泛民不能同心同德，而民意也冷待此變相公投，則可說明現在的香港民主沒希望了，大家一起承受「共業」吧.. i am so soli

作者: kipposhi 時間: 2009-12-26 23:26

公投可以爭取民主???

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-12-27 01:08

今次嘅變相公投可唔可以爭取到民主，其實真係無人知。但諗返轉頭，03.7.1 嘅時候啲群眾行出來，有真係又幾多個人諗到阿董之後會落台？23條會過唔到？葉劉會敗走他鄉？

其實唔止大舊，因為白鴿黨嘅縮骨同抽後腳，其他四區我都只係敢話九龍西毓民同港島區嘅陳淑莊勝算高啲，但亦唔一定贏（而本來如果白鴿黨一早肯出面支持就五區都一定贏硬）。不過講到尾，今次嘅變相公投，本身意義唔在於公社五位能否從返議會，而係要切切實實咁俾香港人一個一人一票嘅機會，清清楚楚咁話俾全世界聽香港人要唔要普選，而從中亦為每一位香港人切實咁上一課民主同公民教育堂。

好持平咁講，社民連嘅出現，對香港呢個嚴重右傾嘅社會來講係一件好事。因為無咗佢地，濟弱扶傾嘅左派理念就完全唔能夠響香港受到任何人嘅關注，而基層同弱勢社群嘅利益就會更嚴重地被剝削。香港已經係全世界堅尼系數最高嘅地方，假如再無人為基層同弱勢社群發聲嘅話，咁貧富嘅差距同公義嘅欠奉只會變得更差。

而正如 ricrick 所講，社民連對香港嘅另一供獻就係佢地好成功咁令到香港人（特別係年青嘅一輩）對香港嘅公民責任、政治、同民生議題都多咗興趣同認識。對香港人來講，無論佢嘅政治觀點響光普嘅邊一個位置，呢個都係一件好事。

-力

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-12-27 05:03

講得太多spectrum,
睇圖!

作者: zoids 時間: 2009-12-27 05:10

兄弟，你無病呀化？使唔使 check 吓個腦有無事呀？ Political opportunist? 淨係推動五區公投呢吓野，就算順利重返議會，社民連三子每人最少唔見 100個。一個可以大哪哪唔見 100個嘅機會，我又唔見民賤聯班擦鞋仔出 ...
Lik 發表於 2009-12-26 19:29

You should question yourself on this instead.  Have you forgotten to take your meds?

I did not say anything bad about 五區總辭, I actually support it.  However, I do not support other stupid attention whoring ****s like throwing bananas, messing up those meetings, etc.  Out of those 3, only 毓民 is good, he actually have points to back up his position quite often.  Long hair is the worst, everyone knows he is a professional protester since duno when... it's just HK citizens got so fed up with the current political system that they voted him in for pranks.

This youtube clip is made by LSD themselves trying to justify their stupid behaviours.  Please don't try to lump everything together (i.e. hijack democracy) to justify your stupidness.  The clip is full of fallacies, e.g. other people do this too, so it's justified for them to do it.  This is just another one after claiming their actions were not violence.

Only stupid people would buy into their non-constructive actions...

I agree their action 五區總辭 this time does not mean I agree everything they pulled out so far.

I guess you are just too naive to understand all these before becoming defensive and start attacking everyone who does not agree with you.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-12-27 05:26

嘩哈哈哈哈~~~~
局入面係幾乎個個唔對住張稿就唔識講野咁滯，
你地太乖囉~老師講一句啱唔啱啱都唔夠膽頂嘴，我地就係係呢種威權主意教育之下做順民~
都未大打出手~好少事啫～～
唔好記住人地隻蕉，不過人地隻舊掟走生果金入息審察又有成千蚊，真係唔掟都冇咁多人知發生乜事~~
不如真係睇下佢地D動議辯論~~~真係好中point,句句見血唔會係咁兜圈~

作者: zoids 時間: 2009-12-27 05:41

局入面係幾乎個個唔對住張稿就唔識講野咁滯，agree

你地太乖囉~老師講一句啱唔啱啱都唔夠膽頂嘴，我地就係係呢種威權主意教育之下做順民~ disagree
e.g. with stubborn ppl like Lik as teacher, I would not want to waste too much time because he doesn't even know a meaningful discussion means.

都未大打出手~好少事啫 disagree
Another fallacy... e.g. only bullying, no people got killed so it's okay. Only stealing couple pennies, not thousands dollars, why bother. etc etc

不如真係睇下佢地D動議辯論~~~真係好中point,句句見血唔會係咁兜圈~
Don't assume anything, it just make you ignorant. Youtube has tons of said clips... agree or not does not depend on have I watched those said clips or not.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-12-27 05:56

我又笑了，
你又插力哥仔冇用，辯論既真意唔係打倒對手，而係通過相方面或多方面辯證繼而不停向真理作出探索。
議會唔打交，出面人民就打交了。選佢地入去係代表人民，如果人民之間既問題真係大到要打交，議會唔打，
出面打。所以掟蕉好小事，掟出香港個個人都留意生果金，掟出一千蚊免審察，
賺爽了。

作者: zoids 時間: 2009-12-27 06:06

我又笑了，
你又插力哥仔冇用，辯論既真意唔係打倒對手，而係通過相方面或多方面辯證繼而不停向真理作出探索。
議會唔打交，出面人民就打交了。選佢地入去係代表人民，如果人民之間既問題真係大到要打交，議會唔打， ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2009-12-27 06:56

你又插力哥仔冇用，辯論既真意唔係打倒對手，而係通過相方面或多方面辯證繼而不停向真理作出探索。
Sorry, I only have so much time to waste on internet political discussions. I cannot go non-stop, not like you and lik e-politicians wannabe.

議會唔打交，出面人民就打交了。選佢地入去係代表人民，如果人民之間既問題真係大到要打交，議會唔打， ...
O rly? Is this fact or just your opinion? Please don't fix these things together.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-12-27 06:11

又扣帽子，
冇時間「浪費」就唔好回囉苯!

作者: zoids 時間: 2009-12-27 06:22

Yeah... probably too much time to waste during Christmas holidays... LOL.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2009-12-27 06:32

嘩~~~好撚MAD呀真係~~~

作者: Lik 時間: 2009-12-27 11:51

盲丙 Zoids，

肥膨曾經已過來人嘅身份講過，同中共政府週旋、打交道嘅時候，你依照君子之禮來同佢講係完全無用嘅。你讓佢一分﹐佢係唔會禮尚往來咁讓返你一分、見好就收﹐而係會得寸進尺咁步步進逼。要有效咁同中共角力﹐除了須要有智慧之外﹐更須要識得企硬。中共見佢大你唔到嘅時候﹐就自然會退讓多少。

現今嘅特衰政府，無能同可恥之餘亦將好多野卸晒俾阿爺（例如政改方案）。你唔去抗爭，結果只會好似白鴿黨咁廿幾年來乜Q野都做唔到。

-力

作者: zoids 時間: 2009-12-27 14:39

LOL, resorting to name calling now? It just proved what I already said to MoiRhapsody before you come back.

I'll let you have your last say. I'm done with you on this... for now.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2009-12-28 02:41

其實，有時又真係幾矛盾。
我唔係好贊成激烈嘅爭取方式，我覺得社民連做嘅嘢有時係過咗火。但係，而家嘅香港社會，無啲noise，又真係唔掂。無noise，又有邊個會理會民生政策有咩問題，反正大多都事不關己。出咗隻"蕉"，起碼會有少少好奇睇下究竟咩事？留意少少哩啲政治嘢。與其話佢哋班人只係typical政客有心混水摸魚，倒不如問吓呢個社會點解會產生呢類型嘅politican，係唔係人心嘅趨向，只顧眼前利益，只問阿爺俾咩着數我哋，懶理其他，唔係激烈啲嘅爭取行動，都唔會有興趣去睇吓，關心吓？
Just my 0.00002 cents.

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