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標題: 谷歌不容審查 搜尋總部遷港 [打印本頁]
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-23 18:18     標題: 谷歌不容審查 搜尋總部遷港

年初揚言退出中國市場的美國    網絡搜尋公司谷歌（Google），昨日宣布將谷歌中國（google.cn）搜尋服務由內地轉至香港，不再配合中國政府審查搜尋內容，但公司繼續保留在華研發及銷售團隊。北京    強烈譴責谷歌違背進入中國市場時的承諾，做法令人憤慨，而美國白宮表示尊重谷歌的決定。


　　谷歌高級副總裁大衛德•拉蒙德（David Drummond）香港時間昨日凌晨發表聲明，宣布即日起中國內地網民若登入google.cn進行搜尋，會自動轉移到沒有經審查及過濾的香港Google網站（google.com.hk）。這是今年一月谷歌聲稱旗下維權人士的電郵遭中國黑客攻擊、揚言退出中國市場以來，該公司作出的最重大舉措。

　　記者昨日在內地互聯網鍵入google.cn，網頁即自動跳換到google.com.hk，在網頁最下端還有一行簡體字「歡迎您來到谷歌搜尋在中國的新家」。當按入「六四    」、「劉曉波」等政治敏感字眼，相關頁面仍被封鎖，無法顯示。

　　谷歌的聲明強調，提供未經審查的中文搜索內容，這種做法「完全合法」，但「中國政府已經非常明確地表示，審查是一項沒有商量餘地的法律要求。」谷歌唯有把搜尋服務轉至香港。

　　聲明指出，此舉並非完全退出中國市場，谷歌將繼續在中國進行地圖和音樂搜索服務，並將保留在華銷售和研發團隊。谷歌大中華區銷售副總裁、中國大陸業務負責人劉允將保留職位，目前沒有任何調遣員工的計畫。

　　保留銷售及研發團隊

　　對於谷歌此舉，中方似乎早有準備。國務院新聞辦公室網絡局負責人昨日迅速通過新華社    作出回應，強調外國公司必須遵守中國法律，譴責谷歌「違背進入中國市場時作出的書面承諾，停止對搜索服務進行過濾，並就黑客攻擊影射和指責中國，這是完全錯誤的。」

　　外交部：個別事件處理

　　該負責人稱，今年一月廿九日、二月廿五日中國相關部門負責人先後兩次與谷歌負責人接觸，中方強調若谷歌願遵守中國法律，依然歡迎其在中國經營；若執意撤走，那是谷歌自己的事情。外交部發言人秦剛昨日說，中國政府「依法處理」與谷歌之間糾紛，谷歌的決定是個別事件，「除非有人將之政治化」，否則不會影響中美關係。

　　美國國家安全會議發言人哈默（Mike Hammer）表示，對谷歌和中國政府無法達成協議感到失望，但白宮尊重這項決定，美國反對審查制度，並致力於網絡自由。
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-23 18:19

可喜可賀
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-3-23 19:14

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-3-23 19:16 編輯

Good news for the Chinese consumers, after kicking out the foreign internet bullies who lost the competition with Baidu,.
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-3-23 20:09

Good news for the Chinese consumers, after kicking out the foreign internet bullies who lost the com ...
peter236 發表於 2010-3-23 19:14



   愛祖國
用國貨
百度 買起谷歌
要佢響中國縴世
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-3-23 21:59

google 呢d 應該係商業策略啦~
作者: habitrailspace    時間: 2010-3-24 07:29

Good news for the Chinese consumers, after kicking out the foreign internet bullies who lost the com ...
peter236 發表於 2010-3-23 19:14


what if peter never opened to the outside world?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2010-3-24 08:27

Good news for the Chinese consumers, after kicking out the foreign internet bullies who lost the com ...
peter236 發表於 2010-3-23 19:14



    "foreign internet bullies"???!!!!

wow
作者: siumaibb    時間: 2010-3-24 08:31

希望唔好連累香港internet。。。
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-3-24 08:50

Good news for the Chinese consumers, after kicking out the foreign internet bullies who lost the com ...
peter236 發表於 2010-3-23 19:14

對於呢啲大中國無敵主意，我只能夠話你無敵愚蠢囉。公平啲咁去講，中國內地嘅人失去資訊自由，呢個損失遠超過 Google 響中國無咗嘅商機。就算你係都要偏幫中國／係都要踩 Google，你極其量都只能夠話呢個對雙方面都無好處。

-力
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2010-3-24 09:47

what if peter never opened to the outside world?
habitrailspace 發表於 2010-3-24 07:29




There is only ONE world for Pete...
作者: habitrailspace    時間: 2010-3-24 09:52

There is only ONE world for Pete...
Catpiano 發表於 2010-3-24 09:47

i use peter to replace china
hence, what if peter = china never opened to the outside world?
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-24 13:25

百度都係外卦google,
google第一日唔幫中共filterD敏感資訊，百度即日都search到，
露晒馬腳出黎。
作者: mukmuk2    時間: 2010-3-24 13:32

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作者: peter236    時間: 2010-3-24 23:33

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-3-24 23:35 編輯
對於呢啲大中國無敵主意，我只能夠話你無敵愚蠢囉。公平啲咁去講，中國內地嘅人失去資訊自由，呢個損失遠 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-3-24 08:50

Actually, I kind of agree with you. But the Chinese can still use Baidu, and Google Hong Kong site. The same material will be censored as before. So not much has changed.
But the big winners are going to be Baidu and other Chinese IT companies which can now invest more resources into searches engines.
When China becomes democratic some day, then Google may go back to China. But do you think they will ever regain their market share, LOL?
These internet bullies like google, think they can rule the world and do as they wish. But they lost to Baidu, the same way ebay, Yahoo, Amazon lost to their Chinese competition.
They are not use to being number 2 in any market, now they want to save their face by pulling out.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-3-25 00:18

Google 班人一早就知道大中華防火牆係可以block 到絕大部分既國內"敏感"資料, 而家學人撤出中國, 又話為左人權唔加 filter o係個search engine 入面, technically 完全唔make sense. 因為無論Google 點樣搞, 佢地只不過可以o係個search engine 玩下野, 而最後個user 都係去唔到display 出黎既web site. 而且, 大中華防火牆係有能力做content filtering, Google search 出黎既result, 如果入面有國內"敏感"資料, 大中華防火牆就會block 左佢啦...

well, 不過道高一呎, 魔高一丈, 其實有好多辦法可以bypass 大中華防火牆的. 不過小弟話哂都係香港人, 唔敢講咁多, 免得犯左"洩露國家機密罪", 咁就連大陸都唔敢返了.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-25 02:22

麥生，導火線係gmail俾人hack呀......睇多D新聞啦....
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-25 02:27

google係日本都贏唔到yahoo,又唔見人地撤出日本?
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-25 03:23

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-3-25 03:26 編輯

I still don't understand the intention of Google. Maybe have to wait for someitme before the truth begins to reveal itself.

Google must understand the situation in China and what to expect from the Chinese government before it even decided to enter China market.

In addtion, China is not the only country filters web contents. Other western countries also filter the web contents (of course, it is not to the extend of what China does). And Google complies to those requirements as well in those countries (Peter might like this part - Google has no problem to comply to the Indian government's requirements to filter web contents).

My position is to wait and see.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2010-3-25 06:28

麥生，導火線係gmail俾人hack呀......睇多D新聞啦....
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-3-25 18:22

呢個只係藉口而已...
比人hack? 所有web mail 既system 都會比人hack, 唔只Google一個. 比人hack, 就應該諗辦法fix, 無論係protective, preventive 定係corrective 既security controls, 都有好多可以選擇.
o係大陸, 再勁d 既cyber attack 無處不在, 小弟亦因工作關係都見唔少, 再難搞既都有, Google 只係因有人hack 個email system 而撤出中國? 小弟覺得唔係咁簡單law.
作者: 布小熊    時間: 2010-3-25 10:24

谷歌退出前夕 華禁18類報道
http://www.mingpaovan.com/htm/News/20100325/vaa5.htm
報道管制的對象是：人民幣升值、官僚腐敗、高醫療費、食品安全、新疆暴動、西藏暴動、貧富懸殊、戶籍制度改革、食用油價格高漲、黨幹部人事預測、大學擴大自治權、大學生就業困難、四川震災學校倒塌和重建遲延、山西省問題疫苗注射、吉林鋼鐵公司社長遭毆殺事件、重慶警察和黑社會掛、不動產價格上漲和購屋困難及煽動地價高漲的不動產業者。
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-3-25 18:22

麥生，導火線係gmail俾人hack呀......睇多D新聞啦....
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-3-25 02:22

These so called experts in the US still could not prove who hacked the gmail. They claimed it was the government. Then they found some evidence it was some students in university/college.
But then there is no way you can know if it was a conspiracy of the US government and google, unless they showed all the evidence.
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-3-25 18:24

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-3-25 18:31 編輯
google係日本都贏唔到yahoo,又唔見人地撤出日本?
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-3-25 02:27

A world dominated by US search engines is not acceptable as the security of other countries will be affected.
Yahoo will probably either will go bankrupt or be swallowed up by Microsoft or others.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-26 13:34

These so called experts in the US still could not prove who hacked the gmail. They claimed it was t ...
peter236 發表於 2010-3-25 18:22


Whether US has proof or not does not mean a thing at all. Intelligent agency of most countries in the world has its tactic force continuingly develop the technologies and abilities to launch sophisticated cyber attaches on the national communication networks, military commanding or coordinating systems. More importantly, every country is hacking other countries in its interest.

Even the networks in universities have to withstand hundreds of attempts of cyber attach each day. Ask your networks administrator in your college or university to verify what I said.

I just laugh at it when Google claimed it is the reason it pull out of China.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-26 13:37

呢個只係藉口而已...
比人hack? 所有web mail 既system 都會比人hack, 唔只Google一個. 比人hack, 就應該 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-3-25 06:28


This is an example showing how people can be easily misled by “news report”. Even thought the news does not suggest one way or another, people will have their own “intelligent” reasoning to come to the conclusion of what the “truth” is.
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-3-26 16:17

Whether US has proof or not does not mean a thing at all. Intelligent agency of most countries in  ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-3-26 13:34

We all know the reason was that they could not compete with Baidu and they are not used to being number 2 in a market. Either that or it was because of a conspiracy involving the US government.
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-3-26 16:25

睇住阿石仔同Peter仔兩個響度唱雙簧真係笑爆嘴～

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-26 17:38

睇住阿石仔同Peter仔兩個響度唱雙簧真係笑爆嘴～

-力
Lik 發表於 2010-3-26 16:25


Other than the BS like this, what else can you say to me?

I don't think you have the ability and knowledge to make a solid argument against me.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-26 17:52

We all know the reason was that they could not compete with Baidu and they are not used to being nu ...
peter236 發表於 2010-3-26 16:17


Honestly speaking, I am not sure about this. I still don't understand the reason why since it is a very unusual move to me and I don't believe in the reasons that were reported.

In fact, I am watching its performance on the stock market and waiting for any news about Google coming out soon and as well any actions the US government might take against China since it has been heavily putting more pressure on China regarding exchange rate, government subsidizing and trade deficit lately.
作者: tofu    時間: 2010-3-26 21:35

"""When China becomes democratic some day, then Google may go back to China. But do you think they will ever regain their market share, LOL?"""

why not?  most foreign banks left china years ago, and not they go back, they still gain a big market.  unless baidu can go internationally in the next few years.  or china will take long long time to become democratic.
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-3-26 22:23

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-3-26 22:31 編輯
"""When China becomes democratic some day, then Google may go back to China. But do you think they w ...
tofu 發表於 2010-3-26 21:35

Baidu is more successful than google because they offer a much better product for the Chinese. The same with ebay, amazon or yahoo which were beaten by Chinese competitors that offer better localized products.

Are you kidding? Which foreign bank has large market share in China? There is no foreign banks that are dominant in China now. Even HSBC has very small market share in China. Banks are different than other internet companies. Even in Canada and the US, if some foreigners want to become a majority owner of a bank, they need to get approval from the government. It is unlikely that any foreign bank will become dominant in China or the US.
作者: mollinbaggio    時間: 2010-3-26 23:19

尼度太多偏激份子啦,我覺得Google做左得好對wor.比對之前Yahoo洩露資訊與中國政府使民運人士入獄.Google因為Email給人入侵都係保護自己服務既用戶.寧願放棄中國的龐大市場壯士斷臂,我絕對支持Google的決定.而且Google退出中國是他們的決定,他們亦有權咁樣做.
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-3-26 23:36

尼度太多偏激份子啦,我覺得Google做左得好對wor.比對之前Yahoo洩露資訊與中國政府使民運人士入獄.Google因 ...
mollinbaggio 發表於 2010-3-26 23:19

Of course they can do whatever they want. This is good for the Chinese people, which can still use Baidu, a better search engine for the Chinese.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-26 23:52

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-3-26 23:54 編輯
most foreign banks left china years ago, and not they go back, they still gain a big market. ...
tofu 發表於 2010-3-26 21:35


I am also interested in knowing which foreign bank you are talking about and from where you got this kind of information.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-27 00:00

尼度太多偏激份子啦,我覺得Google做左得好對wor.比對之前Yahoo洩露資訊與中國政府使民運人士入獄.Google因 ...
mollinbaggio 發表於 2010-3-26 23:19


If Google said it pulled out of China because the Chinese government forces them to pass over the confidential information and data of its users, that would make some senses. However, it said it is because its systems was hacked. LOL.

All web mail systems around the world will received hundreds or thousands of cyber attacks each day. I believe some of the attacks would come from the intellegent agency of its own government.
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-3-27 00:19

傻仔，要串人都唔該你唔該你讀吓書、做吓功課先啦。知唔知道咩叫做 the straw that broke a camel's back 呀？

-力

http://news.mingpao.com/20100326/caa2.htm
Google創辦人﹕京奧後萌撤離念頭

【明報專訊】Google創始人布林（Sergey Brin）稱，撤出中國的想法是始自北京奧運後，認為中國愈來愈出現前蘇聯的極權主義特徵，令他想起童年在蘇聯受鎮壓的生活。

政府干預增 現極權特徵

「中國無所不在」，36歲的布林接受《華爾街日報》專訪時如是說道。「我參加的會議中有五分之一包含了一些適用於中國、不同於其他國家的成分」。但是，出生在蘇聯的他，在京奧後眼見中國政府加大網絡審查、愈來愈多干預Google業務，「中國模糊不清的經商規則在那個時候變得更加模糊」。

布林說，中國在脫貧等方面取得了長足進步，但在審查、監視異見人士方面，「我看到了極權主義的特徵，我個人覺得這相當令人不安」。

布林表示，黑客攻擊是「壓斷駱駝脊背的最後一根稻草」，令公司認為中國政府的所為已經越過底線，不能接受，在內部高層討論過後，決定停止審查。

布林說，「我們步入了一個新的世界」。現正重新評估在華全部業務，並仍抱有希望，「我當然希望長期解決之道是中國內地互聯網的自由」。
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-3-27 00:30

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-3-27 00:32 編輯
傻仔，要串人都唔該你唔該你讀吓書、做吓功課先啦。

hahaha, Mr Lik, why don't you learn some manners first? They still cannot prove who the hackers were. How pathetic?
Whatever they claimed as the reason is not important. This is a victory for the Chinese people as they no longer need to deal with foreigner internet bullies who think they are indispensable. These foreign bullies think too highly of themselves.
It is also good for Chinese IT companies. Good job Baidu, for sending these losers packing.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-27 01:12

傻仔，要串人都唔該你唔該你讀吓書、做吓功課先啦。知唔知道咩叫做 the straw that broke a camel's back  ...
Lik 發表於 2010-3-27 00:19


Posting the news that everyone have known is your way of  "做功課"? LOL.

Just want to remind you -- the truth often hides beneath the cover. One more thing to remind you – Google is a public company. Even the founder is just an employee of the company; decision like this must be approved by the board.

Pulling out from a major emerging market and getting the company into political conflicts just because of his personal experience and feeling? Don’t be such naïve. I am putting money into your pocket.
作者: mollinbaggio    時間: 2010-3-27 10:11

If Google said it pulled out of China because the Chinese government forces them to pass over the  ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-3-27 00:00

如果你認為Google因為單純Email被Hack而撤出中國,你未免太過低估Google的智慧.好明顯Google知道邊個hack佢地,而佢地又唔想透露比人審查,為保障顧客權益,寧放棄中國市場,絕對值得支持.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-27 11:37

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-3-27 11:53 編輯
如果你認為Google因為單純Email被Hack而撤出中國,你未免太過低估Google的智慧.好明顯Google知道邊個hack佢 ...
mollinbaggio 發表於 2010-3-27 10:11


You can choose what to believe in but remember it is not necessary the truth.  

I strongly believe that Google Mail had been hacked by China and as well by US, Britain and India but under the name of “anti-terrorism”.

Do you know why the encryption standard of household network router is 256 bit now and 128 bit before? It is because it has been regulated by the government to ensure the intelligent agency can effectively crack the encrypted data when it wishes to do so.   
  
If you don’t have background knowledge, you won’t be able to look at an issue from different perspectives, and you can only make your judgment solely based on the “news report” which has been always the most effective tool of propaganda in human history.
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-3-27 14:23

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2010-3-27 14:27 編輯
[quote]Other than the BS like this, what else can you say to me?

I don't think you have the ability and knowledge to make a solid argument against me.
rockypath 發表於 2010-3-26 17:38


Honestly speaking, I am not sure about this. I still don't understand the reason why since it is a very unusual move to me and I don't believe in the reasons that were reported.
rockypath 發表於 2010-3-26 17:52 [/quote]
你見解有幾精辟？
最 SOLID 都係你嗰句 Honestly speaking, I am not sure about this
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-27 14:36

Honestly speaking, I am not sure about this. I still don't understand the reason why since it is a ...
sheep 發表於 2010-3-27 14:23


Good to see you again. Anything to 賜教?

I always stand up for what I said and admit my mistake if I made one.

What do you have for me this time?
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-3-27 14:47

Good to see you again. Anything to 賜教?

I always stand up for what I said and admit my mistake i ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-3-27 14:36



   等你清楚了解件事先講啦
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-3-27 14:53

Good to see you again. Anything to 賜教?

I always stand up for what I said and admit my mistake i ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-3-27 14:36

天堂有路你不走
下句
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-27 15:31

天堂有路你不走
下句
sheep 發表於 2010-3-27 14:53


I am more interested in and appriciate meaningful debate. I will leave the craps like this to you for your own enjoyment.

If you have any strong point, I will be more than happy to hear from you.
作者: tofu    時間: 2010-3-27 16:47

回復 33# rockypath


    royal bank, cibc +....
作者: tofu    時間: 2010-3-27 16:53

回復 30# peter236

i said if the companies want to go internationally,  they will choose to use an international company rather than a local company.  so no matter how good is baidu in china, if it doesn't go internationally, the foreign company will still have good chance to take over its market share.  i didn't say any foreign bank is dominant in china.  I said they are easily get the market share.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-27 18:37

回復  rockypath


    royal bank, cibc +....
tofu 發表於 2010-3-27 16:47


I not quite understand what you are saying. Are you saying Royal bank, CIBC is having a big market share in China or they will easily get big market share in China? Do you mind to explain based on what you come to this conclusion? However, neither case is true in China today or in the near future.

I can expand the scope a little more. Could you give us an example that any bank around the world is able to hold a big market share or dominate the market in another foreign country?

I believe you will have hard time to find such an example and there are reasons behind it.
作者: tofu    時間: 2010-3-27 18:43

本帖最後由 tofu 於 2010-3-27 18:45 編輯

回復 47# rockypath

what i said is those banks left china years ago, when they go back they can easily get in the market again.    i never use the word "dominate".
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-27 18:44

回復  peter236

so no matter how good is baidu in china, if it doesn't go internationally, the foreign company will still have good chance to take over its market share.  i didn't say any foreign bank is dominant in china.  I said they are easily get the market share. ...
tofu 發表於 2010-3-27 16:53


I would say this is only your wishful thinking and I can tell that you come to conclusion like this without having any concrete supporting data, information or analysis.

If I am wrong, please show me.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-27 18:49

回復  rockypath

what i said is those banks left china years ago, when they go back they can easily ...
tofu 發表於 2010-3-27 18:43


Yes, they can get in the market under the restriction of China government and they won't be any significant force in the market.

That is the reality and there are reasons for it. It is true in China and around the world.
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-3-27 19:44

回復  rockypath

what i said is those banks left china years ago, when they go back they can easily ...
tofu 發表於 2010-3-27 18:43

So do you think google can still regain large market share after China becomes democratic some years from now? Probably not, since Baidu and other Chinese search engines will be much more competitive and advanced by that time.
That is why as google is pulling out now, it is a victory for the Chinese IT industry.
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-3-27 19:46

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-3-27 19:50 編輯
回復  peter236

i said if the companies want to go internationally,  they will choose to use an int ...
tofu 發表於 2010-3-27 16:53

What do you mean by "get the market share"? 0.1%, 0.2%?
Whether Baidu goes international is irrelevant. Baidu is a search engine. As long as it provides useful search results, it will satisfy the needs of the Chinese users.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-27 22:45

I don't see how an "intranet" search engine can be "good" for Chinese.
Google can't beat baidu in china because baidu can simply ignore any copy right issue.
Google can't.
also if you are researching and you are using Baidu, you are retarded.
作者: sheep    時間: 2010-3-27 22:57

I am more interested in and appriciate meaningful debate. I will leave the craps like this to you  ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-3-27 15:31


你無謂響呢度瞎子摸象
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-3-27 23:37

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-3-27 23:41 編輯
I don't see how an "intranet" search engine can be "good" for Chinese.
Google can't beat baidu in ch ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-3-27 22:45

hahaha, Baidu is not an "intranet" search engine. Baidu can do any type of searches, including all websites outside of China, excluding only those materials that are censored.
Even if you are doing researches, you can still find them using Baidu, as long as these foreign websites do not contain those censored materials. Most users are not affected that much without those pornographic or politically sensitive materials.

Now with google leaving, Baidu and other Chinese search engines can further improve their search technology and gain market share.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 00:29

你無謂響呢度瞎子摸象
sheep 發表於 2010-3-27 22:57


Why don't you challenge me directly? Unfortunately, you don't have the ability to do so.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 00:44

Google can't beat baidu in china because baidu can simply ignore any copy right issue. Google can't. also if you are researching and you are using Baidu, you are retarded....
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-3-27 22:45


Just want to remind you that Baidu is a publicly traded company on NASDAQ. The stock price for Baidu today is $596 vs. Google's $562.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-28 00:59

well, 用google同baidu search 同一個字，"Hebrew".
高下立見。
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 01:35

well, 用google同baidu search 同一個字，"Hebrew".
高下立見。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-3-28 00:59


What do you mean by "高下立見"?

Do you know how Baidu differentiate itself in China to other search engine such as google or yahoo?
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-3-28 06:51

回復 58# MoiRhapsody
Don't waste time reasoning, just focus on the fact:
How many LYK, HongKonger, people outside China would use Baidu
as their default searching machine? or trust it at all? not me.
Baidu differentiates from it competitions that is is fully endorsed and
supported by CCP,  its very mission is to monopolize and control the
Information world, and the huge profit would be a nice bonus.
Baidu is the kind of mighty gigantic propaganda machine Hitler would
had dreamed for, should he had the Baidu, the victory would belong
to the Third Reich.
Trying to search for the history of CCP on Baidu, you must be kidding.
The  sole purpose of history  and society is to serve THE PARTY, 6O
years after they took over the regime, they yet to come up with a firm
history of their own. Only in China, history is subjected to twist and
re-written  to satisfy the small group in power.
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-3-28 07:18

Most of the questions I search on Baidu are not available,
anything to do with 6.4,  and whatever the CCP feels ashame of.
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-3-28 08:07

There was an interview on Premier Wen by CNN reporter,
Wen said, hopefully, in 30 years , our party would eventually evolved to the
world standard in term of democracy.
I don't think you could search that on Baidu
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-3-28 08:41

A true modern country should allow its citizen access to:
公正的司法
獨立的監督系統
無禁制言論
反對派政黨
新聞報道自由
According to Premier Wen, most of us will not live to
witness a modern China.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 10:48

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-3-28 10:55 編輯

回復 63# somewhereintime

HOW FOOLISH AND IGNORANT YOU ARE. No wonder you can be fooled easily.

First, how the search engines work, great China firewall and censorship on web contents are 3 different things and 麥莊莊 had mentioned how they works already. 麥莊莊, would you mind to educate this guy? I am sick and tired to continue educating him.

Second, Google lost to Baidu for legitimate reasons. Chinese Internet users make their own choice of which engine to use. Baidu is not the only search engine available in China. Will you tell us that the CPP forces the Chinese people must use Baidu?

In addition, who is buying Baidu’s stock on NASDAQ? I guess you must say – IT IS CPP who wants to defeat Google on the stock market.

HOW STUPID!

PS: What I said are facts, but not reasoning.
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-3-28 11:00

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2010-3-28 11:02 編輯

Anyone here is smart enough to set Baidu as their default searching engine?
Buying stock is business decision,
not necessary supporting CCP,
Find your ally elsewhere, dare to answer to  my questions?
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-3-28 11:06

So many times on the Google, I curse To Hell with Harper, to Hell with Tory,
anyone dare  to express anything against CCP on Baidu and
allowed to appear? bite me
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 11:20

回復 66# somewhereintime

First, whether overseas Chinese like you use Baidu or not is irrelevant and insignificant to the success of Baidu over Google in China.

Second, people buy a particular stock because they believe in the value, potential and the future of the stock. People who put their hard-earned money into Baidu already make their own judgement and choice. Will you tell us that the CPP can force the American people to buy Baidu’s stock?

Third, you should ask 麥莊莊 to give you a private lesson on the topics of search engine, great China firework and censorship on web contents. Without having the understanding of these basic concepts, you are just BSing without knowing what you are BSing about.  

You enjoy embarrassing yourself and I won’t mind to continue watching.
作者: peter236    時間: 2010-3-28 11:54

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-3-28 11:57 編輯
There was an interview on Premier Wen by CNN reporter,
Wen said, hopefully, in 30 years , our party  ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-3-28 08:07

That's not the point. People are not discussing google or Baidu is better. People are saying that Baidu and other Chinese search engine will take market share from google and they will never regain the market share from them. This is a victory for the Chinese IT industry and the consumers because foreign search engines affect the security of China.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-28 15:19

no,you are wrong peter, we are actually discussing which one is better as a search engine.
google , in fact, gives out better search result. that's a FACT.

and as a world market google still dominant.
beat that.
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-3-28 15:28

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2010-3-28 15:34 編輯

I was answering to Moi's post ,not  to random immature kids,
Google left China is the lost of Chinese citizens, now they
do not get any more neutral information other that what
the Party want them to know. However, I never deny theBaidu's market share in China even I do not find it valuable for me.
I was a radical pro-communist youth when I was 11-15,
I thought I was stupid,
now someone much older is still naive and simple.
Same question for the third time, any LYK would be patriot
enough to set Baidu as his default searching machine?
dare to tell the truth? What kind of results you would get for
any "sensible topic"?  Now bite me.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-28 15:28

問下自己有幾何用百度？
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 16:04

I was answering to Moi's post ,not  to random immature kids,
Google left China is the lost of Chines ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-3-28 15:28


So, you do not dare to face me?

Just want to ask you – Why do the mainland Chinese choose to use Baidu as their default search engine while other search engines such as Google are available and it is much superior in your opinion.

I would suggest you to google some information before trying to challenge me. Otherwise, it will be another embarrassment to you.

Dare to answer my question? Now bite me…
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-3-28 16:10

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2010-3-28 16:21 編輯

Go and have fun with your Baidu,
Since when did I say Google is superior? I use Bing, Yahoo, MSN
as well, whichever serves me better.
I say people should be given more freedom,
even in Hong Kong, the TV Media monopolized by TVB is not healthy,
what would happen if there is only Liberal at Parliament Hill,
Oops, I forgot there is no opposition party allowed in China.
Better look up BaiduBTW, who is using Baidu here? coward did not reply
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 16:18

Go and have fun with your Baidu,
I go and play with other kid
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-3-28 16:10


It is you started up the topic and tried to challenge me and now you want to 扯白旗 and run away?

What a coward.

If you want to challenge me next time, better be more prepared.
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-3-28 16:21

Baidu is not an "intranet" search engine. Baidu can do any type of searches, including all websites outside of China, excluding only those materials that are censored.
peter236 發表於 2010-3-27 23:37

LOL~

In Great China, what kind of meaningful material is not censored ne?

Only 風花雪月 and pro-party stuff are allowed ga la.

This is why I don't bother wasting gas on these 10 cents idiots nowadays~

-Lik
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 16:26

回復 73# somewhereintime

Don't want to be a coward? Then dare to answer my question?

Why do the mainland Chinese choose to use Baidu as their default search engine while other search engines such as Google are available?

Without understanding the fact, you are just BSing.
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-3-28 16:36

亂扣帽子，典型共產黨作風
It is a simple question, Baidu is made in China, and Chinese are
brain-washed that everything Chinese is superior, same as
what they preach in N Korea, don't you know that it is
ChoSun Democratic Republic, depends on how you describe democracy,
Mao believed in democracy too.
Yet no gut to answer a straight simple question, kid
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-28 16:40

also Baidu has a section that you can just download music. It is totally wrong. That's why they got their market share in china.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 16:45

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-3-28 16:48 編輯
It is a simple question, Baidu is made in China, and Chinese are
brain-washed that everything Chinese is superior,
...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-3-28 16:36


I was expecting you to put up a statement like this since you have nothing else to say. I believe other people had expected the same from you as well.

Don’t you feel shameful of yourself being such ignorant?

Don’t worry, I will let you know the answer latter. I am just waiting whether other of your alliances have something to say to me. I very enjoy the challenges from you guys, but you guys disappointed me every single time.
作者: Lik    時間: 2010-3-28 16:50

呢個世界實在太多人患咗 Stockholm Syndrome 喇。患者夾硬要話挾持自己個犯人係最好、最偉大，其他人咪由X得佢囉～同佢徙咁多口水來做咩呢？

-力
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-28 16:50

you actually know nothing.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 16:56

呢個世界實在太多人患咗 Stockholm Syndrome 喇。患者夾硬要話挾持自己個犯人係最好、最偉大，其他人咪由X ...
Lik 發表於 2010-3-28 16:50


The fact is - Baidu is the most used search engine in China. And more importantly, it is the mainland Chinese people make their own choice.

So you don't want to know the reason why? Haven't you been labelling yourself as the crusader of the TRUTH?
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-28 16:59

哈，百度個時係大陸幾多廣告你又知唔知？
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 17:02

哈，百度個時係大陸幾多廣告你又知唔知？
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-3-28 16:59


哈哈, Baidu’s廣告 actually tell you the reasons why it can win over Google.

Do some research and educate others of your brothers.
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-3-28 17:06

It is all about marketing, I use rotten people as long
as they can get the job done and under control.
Then, get lost
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-28 17:07

番版碟永遠多人買過正版碟既～～～
Do some research and stop misleading ppl.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 17:10

番版碟永遠多人買過正版碟既～～～
Do some research and stop misleading ppl.
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-3-28 17:07


If I am misleading people, why don't you pull people back to the right direction by telling them which part I said is wrong?

You don't have the ability and knowledge to challenge me. Fail again.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-28 17:10

lead up to pirate music download, that how Baidu got famous,
Admit that.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 17:14

It is all about marketing, I use rotten people as long
as they can get the job done and under contro ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-3-28 17:06


Please look up Baidu’s廣告 and watch/read before spitting out nonsense.

Even Google itself cannot denny what is said in Baidu’s廣告.

I tould you before. Bettter get yourself prepared before trying to challenge me.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 17:16

lead up to pirate music download, that how Baidu got famous,
Admit that.
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-3-28 17:10


Didn't I told you Baidu is now a public company on NASDAQ? Do you know what it mean and how that would affect the operation of Baidu including the music download?

Want to challenge me? Try harder!
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-28 17:21

XD，you they still doing it.
did you ever use baidu???
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-28 17:26

it only mean they are play around the lousy copyright law in china only.
Try harder to worship your mighty baidu
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 17:33

it only mean they are play around the lousy copyright law in china only.
Try harder to worship your  ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-3-28 17:26


The record company can sue Baidu in US. Get it?

What a stupid kid I have to educate.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 17:34

XD，you they still doing it.
did you ever use baidu???
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-3-28 17:21


Go to down load a piece of music from Baidu and tell us what you found.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-28 17:34

XD if they can get away from the CHINA MARKET where the copyright law is lousy, how they can sue the oen in US?? they are operating in China!
作者: rockypath    時間: 2010-3-28 17:36

XD if they can get away from the CHINA MARKET where the copyright law is lousy, how they can sue the ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-3-28 17:34


Just go to down load a piece of music and tell me what you found.

Try it out first before continue to BS.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-28 17:43

http://russian.china.org.cn/english/MATERIAL/189456.htm
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2010-3-28 17:46

http://mp3.baidu.com/m?f=ms& ... %DB%C4%E3&lm=-1

click and DL
作者: hamlet    時間: 2010-3-28 17:47

CCP is so stupid. OK they may put up the best firewall, but Chinese people are coming out from China, as students, workers, visitors, business persons,  immigrants ... As soon as these people understand how large the world is they will start despising the CCP. What will CCP do then? Build better and better firewalls? Do they not understand that people's mind cannot be limited?
作者: somewhereintime    時間: 2010-3-28 17:47

回復 97# MoiRhapsody

Waste gas la, they only choose to believe the mighty party



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