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作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-28 09:33 標題: 洋紫荊：你令我好失望

I swear I won't return for a looong while. You suck! and you charge us so much! Hope you die soon.

Which one do you guys go for 高級semi港式西餐？

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-28 10:24

回復 1# ACC-HE

Just what do you expect from Cha Chan Tang?

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-28 10:30

本帖最後由 ACC-HE 於 2010-3-28 10:31 編輯

I expect the oyster doesn't STINK.

I expect the steak has TASTE of steak.

I expect the lamb gravy is different from regular gravy.

I expect the waiter don't ask you questions like robots: soup? (red or white?) gun mud (rice or what?)? drink mud? in a quick and impolite way

I expect their dishes to give present surprises... not just cook it without any heart.

I think long time ago, E2 did it, but they die, reborn, and die again.
洋紫荊 is a piece of crap!

作者: 爬地熊 時間: 2010-3-28 10:30

回復 1# ACC-HE

I'd always stick to I-Cafe.

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-28 10:35

本帖最後由 ACC-HE 於 2010-3-28 10:36 編輯

I-Cafe? Thx, maybe I will give them a try later, but I won't go in there with high hope.

And aren't their parking sucks? what's their parking situation like now?

作者: chocobun 時間: 2010-3-28 11:05

告羅士打... 柏斯堡

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-28 11:10

告羅士打... 柏斯堡
chocobun 發表於 2010-3-28 11:05

... you serious? they both fail badly.

告羅士打 steaks are all soften to a point you can't tell if they're pig or chicken or cow.

柏斯堡 is worse than 洋紫荊... their food is like... 奧斯卡's.

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2010-3-28 11:29

l'amigo? 雅谷

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-28 11:31

l'amigo? 雅谷
cinderelly 發表於 2010-3-28 11:29

They're my only hope... wish they don't disappoint. They also went down hill, they were awesome when they were new.

作者: khaki 時間: 2010-3-28 11:38

Is 高級semi港式西餐 still exist in here? I never have hope on 港式西餐, ACC-HE just face the reality and you will be happier

作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-28 12:08

They're my only hope... wish they don't disappoint. They also went down hill, they were awesome wh ...
ACC-HE 發表於 2010-3-28 11:31

Yes, they were good when they're new. Maybe the chef has been changed (or keep changing), food isn't good for some time already la.

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2010-3-28 12:21

I just don't go for 高級semi港式西餐.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-3-28 13:09

We need to go to Hong Kong or Shanghai for good high class Hong Kong style cafe.
Maybe all the good chefs were hired to Shanghai.

作者: daimo 時間: 2010-3-28 14:22

the market doesn't seem to support high class Hong Kong style cafe.

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-28 15:03

the market doesn't seem to support high class Hong Kong style cafe.
daimo 發表於 2010-3-28 14:22

hmm.. but 洋紫荊 charges ppl the price... but the food ain't it.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-28 15:38

回復 13# peter236

I agree with you on this, apparently the best Char Chan Tang is
in Shanghai, very decent. The CCT in Metro Vancouver, no thanks

作者: Prelude 時間: 2010-3-28 16:14

There aren't enough demand in Richmond to support high class 港式西餐.
Because if one wants high class might go to real high class 西餐 instead, which is everywhere.

The majority of people in Richmond look for less than $15 per dinner for 港式西餐, ALSO was supposed to be good, but they weren't busy and they went down hill. I went twice I think. The price was not expensive, but people still didn't go. Then they did not much customers, so their food quality went down too.

作者: Purpleheart 時間: 2010-3-28 17:39

洋紫荊....我食過佢地既泰式燒雞炒飯後發誓唔會再幫襯

我比較鐘意去銀座, D 野食唔錯既, 只要唔好望住o個班黑口黑面既阿姐 (waitress)

作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-28 17:50

洋紫荊....我食過佢地既泰式燒雞炒飯後發誓唔會再幫襯

我比較鐘意去銀座, D 野食唔錯既, 只要唔好 ...
Purpleheart 發表於 2010-3-28 17:39

Haha... i agree. Of course Silver Tower is not high class of any kind, but consider it's price, what I get is reasonable lor.

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-28 19:23

Silver Tower.... tried once, late night.. ya, it is like... one of the most heartless ones u can find.. but ya, rather go to a cheap one with crappy food than expensive ones with similar crappy food.

作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-28 19:42

Cuz there are no high class hkese-western restaurants, should we chat about so-so (or crappy) ones? So among all the so-so ones, which one is a little better?

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-28 19:46

京士柏, I guess?

作者: khaki 時間: 2010-3-28 19:51

京士柏茶餐very bad ar, haven't tried their dinner for years, is it better than 茶餐?

作者: zuesel 時間: 2010-3-28 20:53

I don't like Cha Chan Tang unless I HAVE to....such as to accompany someone who really wants to go...

作者: bubblesalt 時間: 2010-3-28 20:54

How about Queens? They are a little un-stable, sometimes they are good sometimes are they "so so", but they are NOT bad wor...

How about Boston or 7 Heaven?

YEAH... NEVER going back to 洋紫荊 anymore... We live like 2 blocks away and we still don't go..

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-28 20:56

Boston, duck gor yeung... food are very ma ma.

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-28 20:57

7th heaven... their Chinese food are 'safer' than western food...

作者: cinderelly 時間: 2010-3-28 21:13

boston has the worst steak i've ever had. it was one of their more expensive meals too.. i think $30 at least? actually the beef was so bad that i almost puked literally... not just the worst steak. the worst beef altogether.......

作者: elan7e 時間: 2010-3-28 21:24

how about 天皇 on River Road, Richmond ?

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-28 21:30

that place? more like a small cafe, then a restaurant, no?

作者: elan7e 時間: 2010-3-28 22:41

回復 30# ACC-HE

u are right.

作者: Derek128 時間: 2010-3-28 23:12

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-28 23:20

本帖最後由 ACC-HE 於 2010-3-28 23:26 編輯

堂堂熊貓, 別太過份!

或者... 是我對食物的一份熱誠, 要求和執著.

它的食物質數，服務和價錢，實在令我氣憤.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-3-29 00:23

Sometimes I go to Copa Cafe (cambie), I think it's not bad. I-Cafe is ok...
At least....once I had the Chinese set dinner (with 燉湯), I don't feel thirsty afterwards.

告羅士打 goes downhill when it reopens after the Canada Line.

作者: khaki 時間: 2010-3-29 00:46

Anyone here agree 告羅士打 Iced milk tea sucks?

作者: Helissio 時間: 2010-3-29 06:36

告羅士打 is OK, dont get much choice in the area, I rate them better then I-cafe. I go there quiet often for afternoon tea.

作者: B仔 時間: 2010-3-29 07:50

想食有質感有肉味嘅牛扒，點解你會執著去茶餐廳食？

食得個D餐，就預咗係咁嘅QUALITY架啦。。。你又唔係唔知茶餐廳係入D咩貨，同埋CHINESE STYLE係咩煮法。。。ITS NOT LIKE WE DUNNO。 WHY SURPRISED？

作者: zuesel 時間: 2010-3-29 08:33

回復 37# B仔

Agree! I'd rather pay more for good food then to settle for cheap but poor food plus service.
I find that I feel a bit better when I say to myself: "Don't expect ANYTHING" before I go to the crappy places. And when I'm there, I won't order anything that is not meant to be made by that place: ie: Steak, spaghetti, burgers, etc. from a Chinese restaurant.

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-3-29 09:05

i think acc-he is trying to say that these places are not as good as it used to be.
prices up, food quality down

作者: news 時間: 2010-3-29 09:08

本帖最後由 news 於 2010-3-29 09:09 編輯

hongkong style cafe , heart <- they don't go together

once you step into one..the food expectation should be dropped tremendously

its like going into a westernized chinese restaurant..or going into a vietanmese/chinese operated japanese restaurants...you may still get alright food..but you just cant expect the same

if you really look for a ok decent hk style one...i-cafe will be the best bet

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2010-3-29 09:31

去港式茶餐廳係想平靚正，要服務要質數真係起碼要去Keg果d

作者: Mr_Right 時間: 2010-3-29 09:45

Recently, I find that "Kingspark" is okay (not high class though), just decent food at the price.
Boston: Yes, my dad had a steak and it wasn't good (few months ago)
Queens: I'll try in a few weeks

We'll see

Oh, there's one that's kind of semi- cha chan tang, and the food was quite good the few times I've tried it. I forgot the name, but it's on the 2nd floor in the same plaza as "Mud G Gun", the one on the next to (right side) of the dessert place.

I liked the food there before, may be you can give that place a try

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-29 09:48

茶餐廳 has (or had) high-end, mid-end, and low end.

In Vancouver, the high-end are all dead, mid-end charges high-end prices, low-end continues to be low end.

Most ppl associate 茶餐廳 as low end, but there were (and are, just at somewhere else) HK-style steakhouse/western restaurant that are high end with good quality.

作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-29 10:25

There is no high-end 茶餐廳 in my dictionary. I'll called them 港式西餐廳. lol

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-3-29 10:28

To me, only 雅仕閣 is higher class 港式西餐廳....But no more la...

作者: news 時間: 2010-3-29 10:40

茶餐廳 has (or had) high-end, mid-end, and low end.

In Vancouver, the high-end are all dead, mid-en ...
ACC-HE 發表於 2010-3-29 09:48

but why do u want to go to a hkstyle steakhouse when u can hv a much better steak at a local one? jsut out of curiosity

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-3-29 10:41

Yeah...I never have steak in 港式西餐廳

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-29 11:23

本帖最後由 ACC-HE 於 2010-3-29 11:24 編輯

but why do u want to go to a hkstyle steakhouse when u can hv a much better steak at a local one? ...
news 發表於 2010-3-29 10:40

Variety of selections of both Chinese, South East Asian and Western food is one of the attractiveness of a hk-style cafe. Everyone can enjoy what they want.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 11:50

回復 45# fibbi

Escargot was good, the owner used to be 5 Star Hotel chef in TW,
so it cannot be classified as Cha Chan Tang

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 11:51

回復 48# ACC-HE

But most of the case they cannot excel in any category, sigh

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-29 11:55

回復 ACC-HE

But most of the case they cannot excel in any category, sigh
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-3-29 11:51

周身刀，冇把利?

作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-29 11:57

To me, only 雅仕閣 is higher class 港式西餐廳....But no more la...
fibbi 發表於 2010-3-29 10:28

Where's it??

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-3-29 11:57

回復 49# somewhereintime

Maybe I should say "chinese style western food category"?
Yeah I agree, most of them are "cha chan teng", with the exception of 雅仕閣, IMO.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-3-29 11:57

回復 52# chowB

It's folded long time ago

作者: khaki 時間: 2010-3-29 12:00

Variety of selections of both Chinese, South East Asian and Western food is one of the attractivene ...
ACC-HE 發表於 2010-3-29 11:23

I know! Because you want 跟 Horlick! lol

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 12:01

回復 43# ACC-HE

It is so difficult to run a High End HK Style restaurant in Vancouver,
customer always want steak and lobster which has a very low profit
margin, no alcoholic drink and very little tip.
Sell a decent 3 courses steak dinner, all inclusive for under $20 is
very difficult, with a live lobster for $10 extra would bring in nothing.
You go to Kegs for 1.5 lb boiled lobster cost you $20, and they would
make profit on salad, appetizer , desserts and wine, which is not
likely happen in Cha Chan Tangs. And, the chefs at CCT ask for $4,000
to $5,000 with 50% under table.

作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-29 12:38

回復 chowB

It's folded long time ago
fibbi 發表於 2010-3-29 11:57

Oops.... I got a feeling, not because people can't make high-class 茶餐廳 or 港式西餐廳, it's because this type of thing can't survive long. Lower-end always have a bigger market. lol

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-3-29 12:41

Oops.... I got a feeling, not because people can't make high-class 茶餐廳 or 港式西餐廳, it's becau ...
chowB 發表於 2010-3-29 12:38

I do think they have decent customer base... price-wise is not too bad...around $20-ish for the set dinner, which I found it ok with the quality of food.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 13:13

回復 48# ACC-HE

Not just that, the restaurants just cannot afford to hire 2-3 chefs proficient in each
category.
Dr. JJ used to boast about his prime steaks, now he concentrates on the
more general and profitable Chinese dishes.
If you have 3 chefs, who would be in charge? how they distribute the resources?
it is a complicate issue

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-29 13:16

Who's Dr. JJ?

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 13:26

Who's Dr. JJ?
ACC-HE 發表於 2010-3-29 13:16

JJ Chan

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-29 14:22

Jamie? em... don't wanna go there, brand issue.

作者: 趴地熊 時間: 2010-3-29 20:25

what about 品味 at 新城市廣場? i find their food pretty solid...maybe not high end hk-style cafe but definitely upper-middle calibre

作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-29 21:40

what about 品味 at 新城市廣場? i find their food pretty solid...maybe not high end hk-style cafe but ...
趴地熊發表於 2010-3-29 20:25

Oh yea, I think 品味's food is ok too. Too bad their choices are a bit limited.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-3-29 21:42

what about 品味 at 新城市廣場? i find their food pretty solid...maybe not high end hk-style cafe but ...
趴地熊發表於 2010-3-29 20:25

This was where Windsor cafe was.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-3-29 21:44

回復 ACC-HE

Not just that, the restaurants just cannot afford to hire 2-3 chefs proficient in eac ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-3-29 13:13

Of course he knows how to run a business.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 21:47

回復 66# peter236

He has a way to raise fund for biz, some skills and luck I lack of

作者: salad_bread 時間: 2010-3-29 22:05

If you are looking for Richmond area, give 品味 a try la
you can always see me there during lunch time.
I dunno it's high class or low class or whatever, I just don't want to eat garbage.
lunch around $10 and dinner $20+ is OK for me

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-29 22:30

great I'll give them a try! thx.

作者: ah3 時間: 2010-4-4 00:34

Very often we hear people say the service of cha chaan tang sucks (most of the time, involving mid age waitress, ah jie), then some people will say, what do you expect? It's cha chaan tang.

Why?

It is a customer service industry, the service level should be maintained at a certain level regardless of the price of the meal.

The sad fact is this is not the case...

And my personal opinion is that it is a cultural/age thing; the younger western people do a much better job than the mid age chinese ah jie.

作者: Prelude 時間: 2010-4-4 00:59

本帖最後由 Prelude 於 2010-4-4 01:01 編輯

Very often we hear people say the service of cha chaan tang sucks (most of the time, involving mid a ...
ah3 發表於 2010-4-4 00:34

Of course it's due to the culture and quality of the ah jei, but at the end, it's due to the price too. The ah jei has to be able to serve 10 tables per hour while making less than $10 tips/hour. The western style waitress makes more than $30tips per hour and do less. Who would try harder to provide better service?

With the low incentives from cct, which type of waitress would work there? It's the typical ah jei lor. Keep that in mind when next time you pay tips in cct. It's Asian culture to give 10% or less, and it's shared with all staffs in the restaurant. Maybe you can start changing this culture by giving 20% tips every time.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-4 01:05

Very often we hear people say the service of cha chaan tang sucks (most of the time, involving mid a ...
ah3 發表於 2010-4-4 00:34

hahaha, then you should go to a higher class cha chaan tang in either Hong Kong or Shanghai. The food and service are good.
In mainland China, the service industries (like restaurants, taxi and hotels) do not even expect tips, but their services are still top notch.

作者: chowB 時間: 2010-4-4 12:14

In mainland China, the service industries (like restaurants, taxi and hotels) do not even expect tips, but their services are still top notch.
peter236 發表於 2010-4-4 01:05

Oh, you mean they "didn't ask for" or "don't accept" ah? So they won't take your tips even you put it on the table? I know in japan, they didn't ask for tips and they won't accept tips even you want to put it in their hands wor.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-4 15:10

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-4 15:14 編輯

Oh, you mean they "didn't ask for" or "don't accept" ah? So they won't take your tips even you put ...
chowB 發表於 2010-4-4 12:14

I mean they "don't expect tips". Well, I never left any tips in China (hotels, restaurants or taxi), so I don't know if they accept if I give them.
I didn't give tips because some other people told me tips are not expected in China's service industries.
The service industry there believes that good service should be a standard and should not expect extra tips.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-4 15:14

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作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-4 16:39

I gave tips in high class hotels in China and they accepted it. But I don't think they expect tips from everyone or everytime.

However, I never gave tips when I just dined in a regular restuarants. They must thought I forgot the money if I left the tips on the table. I guess they would call me back if I had not walked out of the restuarant.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-4 17:18

回復 75# mukmuk2

Chinese people are so rich that they don't want tip

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-4 18:46

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-10 21:49

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-10 22:05 編輯

I gave tips in high class hotels in China and they accepted it. But I don't think they expect tips f ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-4 16:39

I know what you mean. People from North America are used to giving tips at restaurants and taxi etc. So they thought it is the same everywhere else.
Clearly, that is not true. China is an example where tipping is generally not expected.
Some people thought, China wor, so they must be expecting tips like crazy. These people should travel outside of North America more to understand the world more.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-11 13:31

How about Hong Kong and MAcau?Do you tip when you go there?

作者: 爬地熊 時間: 2010-4-11 15:10

It's not the same case. In Hong Kong 10% service charge has already been added on the bill and so you don't have to pay extra.

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