標題: 您對死亡有甚麼看法？ [打印本頁]
作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-28 23:17 標題: 您對死亡有甚麼看法？
剛與朋友分享，他跟我說：最近發覺父母真的老了
死亡... 逃避不了
有親人已離去的，今日的 您 對死亡有什麼看法？離去對您在生命上有甚麼影響和改變？
作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-3-28 23:44
死亡乃必然既事, 傷感乃人之常情.
走既人都已經走了, 太傷感也無謂, 親人過世, 小弟會用點時間去懷念一下故人, 懷念過後, 仍要為身邊的人而生活. 唉... 小弟都覺得祖母很老了, 應珍惜眼前人, 多點跟她相處吧! 
作者: benyaoguai 時間: 2010-3-29 00:13
i feel sad when i look at my parents and realize that one day they might not be here... i don't really want to think about that... just want to make them happy the time i get to spend with them........ although sometimes i do get impatient and get mad at them... great.. now i feel like a bad daughter 
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作者: siumaibb 時間: 2010-3-29 00:28
本帖最後由 siumaibb 於 2010-3-29 00:30 編輯
孝順係應該既，要珍惜眼前人，不過關如死亡，我就覺得要"隨緣"。
作者: Rabi 時間: 2010-3-29 15:51
同意。 要珍惜眼前人﹗
爺爺﹐嫲嫲過身時﹐我因學業問題冇得返去出席葬禮﹐只有爸媽可以返去。
移民後只見過爺爺﹐嫲嫲一面﹐估唔到上年返香港我哋已冇機會再見 (只爭一個月)。
而家有時候諗起佢哋﹐都會覺得好遺憾。
而我自己呢﹐我不求好長命﹐只希望唔好死得太痛苦就好。
作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-3-29 16:06
同意。 要珍惜眼前人﹗
而我自己呢﹐我不求好長命﹐只希望唔好死得太痛苦就好。
Rabi 發表於 2010-3-29 15:51 
x2!
Very "sin mo" those people who die in their sleep...
That's really 幾生收到的福份.
作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 16:11
Well, at my age, I said farewell to many senior relatives, and old friends.
My in-law is staying at hospice with terminal disease, will leave this world
any minute from now; he has no knowledge about his own situation.
作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-29 16:19
而我自己呢﹐我不求好長命﹐只希望唔好死得太痛苦就好。
That's so easy. Just get a few pills from the doctor.
作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-29 16:21
Well, at my age, I said farewell to many senior relatives, and old friends.
My in-law is staying at hospice with terminal disease, will leave this world
any minute from now; he has no knowledge about his own situation.
I hope someone is paying for his hospice.
What it irritates me the most is that our government spends $200K on someone who has only 3 months to live but watches as numerous children receive inadequate education. The person who has only 3 months left is a goner. He or she will have absolutely no contribution to the society anymore.
作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-29 16:22
x2!
Very "sin mo" those people who die in their sleep...
That's really 幾生收到的福份. ...
fibbi 發表於 2010/3/29 16:06
again, get a few pills and you will die in your sleep tonight
作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-3-29 16:27
回復 10# 快樂牛郎
最怕那時候連去拿pill的力量都沒有。
作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-29 16:30
I don't really concern my own pain (of course no pain is a bonus), but I don't want my family seeing I suffer in pain and make them more pain and sad. Watching loved ones in pain is more painful.
作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-3-29 16:31
回復 9# 快樂牛郎
To me that thought is scary that someone "deserve" the help if he/she will have contribution later on (i.e. valuable to the society or simply put it has 有利用價值), and someone without value should not have the resources for help? 佢哋後生嗰時都有交稅個喎。
作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-3-29 16:36
I hope someone is paying for his hospice.
What it irritates me the most is that our government sp ...
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-3-29 16:21
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作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-29 17:04
I hope someone is paying for his hospice.
What it irritates me the most is that our government sp ...
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-3-29 16:21
I feel sorry for such a concept.
作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 18:07
本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2010-3-29 18:11 編輯
回復 11# fibbi
I hope it is so easy if I eventually want to end my life.BTW, Hospice is not free anymore, it cost $35-$75 a day.
作者: Rabi 時間: 2010-3-29 19:14 標題: RE: 您對死亡有甚麼看法？
本帖最後由 Rabi 於 2010-3-29 19:16 編輯
x2!Very "sin mo" those people who die in their sleep...
That's really 幾生收到的福份. ...
fibbi 發表於 29/3/2010 04:06 PM
Grandpa lingered a few months before he died. Although I wasn’t in HK at that time, my family members all suffered. But grandma died peacefully in her sleep, I hope I can die in my sleep too.
That's so easy.
Just get a few pills from the doctor.快樂牛郎 發表於 29/3/2010 04:19 PM
I might think about it if there’s no other way to stop suffering/pain, but the doctor has to guarantee that it’ll end my life (just a wild thought).
回復
fibbi I hope it is so easy if I eventually want to end my life.BTW, Hospice is not free anym ...
somewhereintime 發表於 29/3/2010 06:07 PM
somewhereintime, sorry to hear about your in-law, I hope he’s not suffering badly.
I should start planning for my end-of-life expenses, hope that it's still affordable when it’s my turn to go. 
作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 19:27
本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2010-3-29 19:32 編輯
回復 17# Rabi
Actually he is doing fine, eating a lot, well, for a 85 yr old man.
3 meals from Hospice, plus I cook congee for him everyday,
just labour of love , Double Beef Broth with beet, kidney bean and herbal
Then 10 ml. Bird's nest,
Chinese medication included Korean Ginseng and Conyceps $90 a daily dose
So with the expense at the Hospice, it costs $6,000 a month.
He wants to buy an electric scooter and is anticipating to go home.
Of course no one tells him where exactly he is staying at, he thinks he is
in rehab.When my uncle passed away, he finished supper at 9:00 pm, got a stroke and
drifted to sleep at dinner table, his family sent him to VGH, he left the world
before midnite, with a smile on his face.
That is very fortunate, no suffering at all.
Hey, don't worry about yourself, you have long way to go, unlike me.
作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-29 19:41
本帖最後由 快樂牛郎 於 2010-3-29 19:43 編輯
回復 快樂牛郎
To me that thought is scary that someone "deserve" the help if he/shewill have contribution later on (i.e. valuable to the society or simplyput it has 有利用價值), and someone without value should not have theresources for help? 佢哋後生嗰時都有交稅個喎。
fibbi 發表於 2010/3/29 16:31
Those who disagree with my view are so remotely detached to the rising cost of healthcare in developed countries.
Let me give you three choices:
1) put 100 kids out of school
2) keep a 70 years old guy who has terminal cancer alive for 3 more months
3) save 5000 african children from starvation
I haven't done the math but I think all 3 choices have the same cost
you can only pick 1, which one would you pick?
I hate people who think everybody deserves a piece of the pie when there's only so much resource in this world
作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-29 19:42
The world has been in free fall in the last 20 years or so because so many people living in the happy land are so oblivious to the problems in this world.
作者: yayaya 時間: 2010-3-29 19:43
只要活到我觉得自己不能再进步那个程度，觉得人生剩下的日子都没什么意义了，就死都没什么好遗憾的了
如果要我现在死于非命我还是很不甘心的，不甘心所以才害怕死亡
作者: bubblesalt 時間: 2010-3-29 19:45
回復 10# 快樂牛郎
Really? What kind and how do I get some?
作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-29 19:49
Of course, as human, it's only natural to be short-sighted and spend as much as possible while you can. So I completely understand those who think they should be kept alive no matter what the cost is. I would do the same if I were in the same situation. Who the hell cares if your kids don't receive adequate education or if you will be paying 60% taxes?
作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 19:59
回復 19# 快樂牛郎
I strongly disagree with you, but lets do it gentleman's way
1. the figures do not add up, how much does it cost to pay for 3 month's hospice
vs keeping 100 kids in school( in Canada, it would cost $7,000/student per year,
it would be much different in Africa)
2. Saving 5000 African children from starvation would probably cost $400,000 but
it is not what we are obliged to do, what we spend on refugees would cost much
more
3. IN my in-law's case, he is 3rd generation Chinese Canadian and his father and
uncles paid the Head Tax, he contributed to CCP for 50 years. unlike those
welfare receipients
I understand that there are lots of less fortunate people in the world, but we have
to cover our own need first.
Canadian donated huge relief fund to Haiti, but we did it on loan, in which our children have to pay back, so we cannot be too generous, we just cannot afford to do so
作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 20:01
回復 21# yayaya
Of course, you are so young
作者: yayaya 時間: 2010-3-29 20:07
本帖最後由 yayaya 於 2010-3-29 20:09 編輯
回復 25# somewhereintime
但是你要知道很多人在很早年就再没有很大的进步了，我指的进步是人生的一个跃进，不是说从月入5000上升的月入6000的问题
作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-29 20:09
回復 快樂牛郎
I strongly disagree with you, but lets do it gentleman's way
1. the figures do not ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-3-29 19:59
Yes, I also don't agree with him/her. But I don't need to do actual calculation, cuz I believe all lives worth the same basically.
作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 20:13
回復 26# yayaya
How do you know what will you achieve next year?
I don't mean winning the Lotto, but when opportunity knocks,
make sure you are well prepared for success.
作者: sheep 時間: 2010-3-29 20:18
回復 yayaya
How do you know what will you achieve next year?
I don't mean winning the Lo ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-3-29 20:13
今日聽倒一句發人深省嘅話
不要等待明天
要去創造明天
作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-29 20:21
回復 快樂牛郎
I strongly disagree with you, but lets do it gentleman's way
1. the figures do not ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010/3/29 19:59
you need $800 to feed each starving child in Africa? What are you feeding them with? shark fin soup? Just with bread and water, I can survive for a year with $800.
Of course you cannot educate 1,000 kids in Canada for a small sum, but you can do so in poorer regions like South America or rural China.
Hospice generally costs $150-$350 a day, so a 90 days period costs around $20K. You can argue that your relative paid taxes all his life, but that's not the point of this discussion.
作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-29 20:23
Yes, I also don't agree with him/her. But I don't need to do actual calculation, cuz I believe all lives worth the same basically.
If all lives are worth equally, what makes an American or a Canadian's life more worthwhile than the lives of 1,000 africans? Get your values straight before making such a hollow statement.
作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-29 20:25
Suppose all lives are equal.
You know that if you donate all your money to some 3rd world country right now, at least 50 lives will be saved. Why are you not doing that? Is it because you think your life is worth more than those 50 lives?
作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-29 20:30
Suppose all lives are equal.
You know that if you donate all your money to some 3rd world country r ...
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-3-29 20:25
Don't mix up. I believe all lives are equal, doesn't mean I have obligation to raise them all.
作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 20:38
回復 32# 快樂牛郎
I admire your big heart,
but I'm being selfish, I need to feed my family first
作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-3-29 20:38
Don't mix up. I believe all lives are equal, doesn't mean I have obligation to raise them all.
chowB 發表於 2010/3/29 20:30
there you go
nobody has the obligation to help anybody
we all fight for ourselves
作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-3-29 20:46
you need $800 to feed each starving child in Africa? What are you feeding them with? shark fin sou ...
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-3-29 20:21
cowboy, i think the title is 您對死亡有甚麼看法？
作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 20:57
回復 30# 快樂牛郎
Can you live on Bread and water only?
作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-29 21:04
there you go
nobody has the obligation to help anybody
we all fight for ourselves
快樂牛郎 發表於 2010-3-29 20:38
You mixed up again. Yes exactly, nobody has OBLIGATION to help anyone else but PASSION. And sorry I don't have enough passion to help all other but just my family and friends and maybe some others I feel passionate enough. And back to the topic, it's about our own point of view and feeling, not related to helping others, I think.
作者: yayaya 時間: 2010-3-29 21:23
回復 yayaya
How do you know what will you achieve next year?
I don't mean winning the Lo ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-3-29 20:13
如果prepare左好耐机会都无出现呢？
作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-29 21:30
如果prepare左好耐机会都无出现呢？
yayaya 發表於 2010-3-29 21:23
姜子牙七十遇文王
something good in life is worth waiting
作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-3-30 08:27
"死亡"
來得快,去得快
life is short. so enjoy.
作者: KittyLeung74 時間: 2010-3-30 09:29
死亡是人生過程的一部份,相等於出生,最重要是在過程中,你如何自處。對於一個剛敲過死亡門的人而言,死亡可以佷平靜,欣然接受,了無牽掛,但亦可心有不忿,那一刻會反思自己人生過程,接受或懼怕死亡,自有答案!
作者: myversa 時間: 2010-3-30 10:40
After I heard my friend suicides and I never felt the same about death anymore. Sometimes I still found the msn or email backup and just cannot believe that person is already dead.
作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-30 10:46
I was attending a conference Downtown,
my best friend Nick's wife called and said he want to see me the last time.
I rushed to Simon Fraser in 25 minute,
talked to him for 15 minutes, then, he died right in front of me,
at his 48 YO. Please tell me what you feel if you were in my shoes.
A friend of 28 years!
作者: 布小熊 時間: 2010-3-30 10:47
回復 44# somewhereintime
so sad!!! take care some gor.
作者: 布小熊 時間: 2010-3-30 10:50
I was reading a Buddhist comic (not able to read the read books yet) and it talked about taking change as the norm.... and try to see changing and good things leaving us as expected... but it's just hard....
作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-30 11:01
回復 45# 布小熊
I will, thank you,
Life is so fragile, sigh
作者: myversa 時間: 2010-3-30 11:36
I was attending a conference Downtown,
my best friend Nick's wife called and said he want to see me ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-3-30 10:46
That's a scary sight to see. I wish it will never happen to me...
Human is just too fragile.
作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-3-30 11:52
剛與朋友分享，他跟我說：最近發覺父母真的老了
死亡... 逃避不了
有親人已離去的，今日的 您 對死亡有什 ...
ACC-HE 發表於 2010-3-28 23:17
Death, is a "bug" in computer geek's point of view. Provided that u believed that we are some sort of "product" or robot, our bodies are the hardware and our "soul" is software
作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-3-30 12:17
回復 44# somewhereintime
節哀順變....
作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-3-30 12:26
回復 50# fibbi
Now my in-law is staying in hospice, my wife spends 12 hours everyday
keeping him company.
Usually the residents at the hospice would pass away in a week or less,
but he has been there for 2 months. He is concious but no one tells him
where exactly he is staying. He does not know he would die just any
minutes.
I fought really hard with the hospice admin to keep his oxygen supply,
or he would has died long time ago. Anyway, he is old, so it would not
upset us so much.
作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-30 14:02
回復 somewhereintime
節哀順變....
fibbi 發表於 2010-3-30 12:17
Is this the only thing to say? it is so overused, it sounds lame.
作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-3-30 14:40
Is this the only thing to say? it is so overused, it sounds lame.
ACC-HE 發表於 2010-3-30 14:02
what else can we do when facing the death
作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-30 14:51
what else can we do when facing the death
chunsh 發表於 2010-3-30 14:40
That's what I'm asking, what else can one say when someone moaning after someone's death?
作者: myversa 時間: 2010-3-30 14:54
回復 54# ACC-HE
Cannot say anything just as when my friend told me my other friend's death, all I an do was "Is that real?"
作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-3-30 15:07
回復 52# ACC-HE
It's just a common phrase to comfort people for their loss of friend/family. If you have another better phrase in Chinese do let me know.
作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-3-30 15:25
回復 ACC-HE
It's just a common phrase to comfort people for their loss of friend/family. If ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-3-30 15:07
Ya, I don't know, so I'm asking. Sorry for quoting you, was just trying to ask a question, not pointing finger at you.
作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-30 20:20
"It's ok, you guys will reunion later on, just not today."
作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-3-30 20:26
"It's ok, you guys will reunion later on, just not today."
chowB 發表於 2010-3-30 20:20
I wish that will be true
作者: playingtoy 時間: 2010-3-30 20:32
if you see this world full of spirits
one spirit goes another comes
spirit manifests itself into forms
according to its nature
you might think you are losing
(a part of you)
when a spirit took off
and you look again
carefully
you will see the same spirit
just right beside you
(maybe not the same name in his/her ID)
but the nature of it
is the same
作者: samsung 時間: 2010-3-31 08:36
Is this the only thing to say? it is so overused, it sounds lame.
ACC-HE 發表於 2010-3-30 14:02
I used to have the same frustration/concern as you do, my friend suggested﹕"向前看 ba "
作者: playingtoy 時間: 2010-3-31 10:39
world full of spirits
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作者: rainyday 時間: 2010-3-31 11:41
I wish that will be true
chunsh 發表於 2010-3-30 20:26
I wish also. "See you later.", that's what i said.
作者: chowB 時間: 2010-3-31 12:15
I wish that will be true
chunsh 發表於 2010-3-30 20:26
I wish also. "See you later.", that's what i said.
rainyday 發表於 2010-3-31 11:41
Why not? We'll know where we'll go exactly at that time, but that's a way to comfort our loved ones in sadness.
作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-3-31 12:47
I wish also. "See you later.", that's what i said.
rainyday 發表於 2010-3-31 11:41
Some assumptions have to be made, all of us will go to the same place after death, and our soul (if it existed) still have memory before our death
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