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作者: soli 時間: 2010-4-11 16:53 標題: 《國際政治》泰鎮壓紅衫軍衝突激化，21死

《國際政治》泰鎮壓紅衫軍衝突激化，21死

* 2010-04-12
* 【時報-外電報導】

泰國政府與「紅衫軍」的衝突十日急遽升高，軍方的驅離行動至今造成二十一人死亡，八百七十四人受傷，死者包括十七名平民與四名軍人。紅衫軍十一日下午在「五馬路」的民主紀念碑，為十六名死難者舉辦佛教儀式，誓言要求總理阿披實立即解散國會，下台出國，否則抗爭絕不停止。
　紅衫軍也決定十二日繼續在曼谷舉辦盛大遊行，紀念死去的同志。紅衫軍並於十一日衝入「泰國衛星公司」，迫使該公司重新播出紅衫軍的「人民電視台」，這個頻道曾兩度遭政府強制斷訊。

　路透通訊社日籍攝影記者村本博之十日夜間採訪這場衝突時，不幸中彈身亡。村本得年四十三歲，留下妻子與一對兒女，日本外務省已促泰國政府徹查。
　十日的驅離行動造成泰國自一九九二年以來死傷最慘重的政治衝突。當天最激烈的衝突發生在民主紀念碑旁的一條街，七輛被擊毀、翻倒的軍用裝甲車及吉普車還留在當地，四周牆上遍布彈痕，地上有大塊的血漬，紅衫軍已將之圍起，擺上祭品，供人憑弔。 (新聞來源：中國時報─梁東屏／曼谷十一日電)

http://money.chinatimes.com/newm ... NewsSN=990412000803

作者: zoids 時間: 2010-4-11 20:39

Where are the "Western Democractic" countries now? I don't see them coming out condemning the violence on protesters? Another example of double standard.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-4-11 23:01

香港班80後有冇人地咁勇先
唔好話人地冇辦佢地睇

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-4-12 10:24

see?
not many people interested
people around the world (including us) only like to blame our own kinds LOL

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-4-12 10:29

well, every motive is inherently out of self-interest

since the red shirts have nothing to do with people here, it's kind of expected

but why would people care about speed trains in HK? it's not like people here will either ride it or pay for it.

作者: daimo 時間: 2010-4-12 10:43

南方朔 on Mingpao

http://news.mingpao.com/20100412/msa1.htm

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-4-12 11:09

而台灣的民主則是它已發展到一個「百分之五十對百分之五十的社會」（Fifty-to-Fifty Society）這樣的困境，任何問題都會被政治化，而後兩極對立，形同「民主內戰」，它做不出大事，改革不了任何體制，只得一直自我消耗。今天台灣經濟不振，社會分裂，財政日窘，即是這種「民主內戰」的苦果。

Same over here with Republicans vs. Democrats

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-12 11:18

well, every motive is inherently out of self-interest

since the red shirts have nothing to do with ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-4-12 10:29

Lots of Chinese people and other tourists will take the highspeed train all over China and Hong Kong when they visit there.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-12 11:36

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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-12 11:43

well, every motive is inherently out of self-interest

since the red shirts have nothing to do with people here, it's kind of expected

but why would people care about speed trains in HK? it's not like people here will either ride it or pay for it.
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-4-12 10:29

Certainly your "out of self-interest" comment is true. Had LYK been a ethnic Thai's in Canada forum, the uproar would be huge.

That is not to say that the deaths were any less tragic. Unfortunately, there are too many demands in life that drains all of our time and energy. So when the ties are not nearly as close, we don't feel nearly as moved by the event, tragic as it may be.

The uproar with the HK high speed train is that many of us still maintain close ties with Hong Kong, be it relational (with people), cultural, or emotional. Because of these close ties, we feel ripped off ourselves when HK citizens are getting ripped off.

Certainly someone as intelligent as you are would know this?

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-12 11:48

Certainly your "out of self-interest" comment is true. Had LYK been a ethnic Thai's in Canada forum ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-12 11:43

hahaha, you are just jealous of Hong Kong's highspeed railway.
China's highspeed railway, those routes that are in use now, are packed with people.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-12 12:23

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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-12 12:41

LOL~

I certainly have every reason to be jealous of Hong Kong's highspeed railway when every citizen has to pay HKD$10k for it as the cost of construction. In fact, I am extremely jealous of the superbly high quality of life that HK citizens currently enjoy, under the brilliant leadership of Bowtie Donald Tsang and his cronies~

星人安居港人蝸居政府屋惠八成國民面積大港一倍呎價1/3

-Lik

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-12 13:58

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-12 14:06

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-12 14:11 編輯

LOL~

I certainly have every reason to be jealous of Hong Kong's highspeed railway when every citize ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-12 12:41

You are not only jealous of Hong Kong's prudent financial management, but you are jealous of Singapore.
Singapore's standard of living and financial situation are way better than your Canada, which is in big debt at all levels of government. Of course Lik has to pay for the HST and to repay the debt for the bankrupt Canadian finances.
Singapore is another example that Canada needs to learn from.
So while Lik drives around in his stupid polluting car, Hong Kong people are travelling in efficient highspeed trains all over China.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-12 14:28

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-12 14:30

wait wait, this is about Thailand, not Singapore, not Hong Kong and nor Canada.

Should Canada learn ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-12 14:28

hahaha, you moron, Lik posted a link about singapore.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-12 14:32

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作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-12 14:33

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-12 15:32

that's because you brought out your China highway for the 10000000000th time.

you have not an ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-12 14:32

oh, you are new here and you read all my China highspeed railway.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-12 17:13

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作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-4-12 18:27

泰國‧曼谷）盤據曼谷商區第5天的紅衫軍今日（週三，4月7日）將行動升級，他們駕駛卡車撞破國會大閘，強行闖進國會院區內，並且搶奪警察鎗支，氣氛緊張，迫使包括副首相在內的部長及議員乘直升機落慌而逃。
數千名紅衫軍當天聚集國會大樓的鐵閘外，進一步向阿比希政府施壓，要求他宣佈解散國會，提前大選。
卡車撞倒國會大樓鐵閘
後來，紅衫軍開著一輛卡車把國會大樓的鐵閘撞倒，約1000名紅衫軍隨即闖入國會圍牆內的院區。他們一路展示，從鎮暴警察身上搶來的催淚彈、步鎗及手鎗等武器。

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-4-12 23:22

星人安居港人蝸居政府屋惠八成國民面積大港一倍呎價1/3

俾你而家有層樓
同你講聽日起身貶值3成
你制唔制

嘈果班都係無產階級
Nothing to lose
不過佢地仲好錫身
唔會捨得好似紅衫一樣拎條命黎博既

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-13 00:34

俾你而家有層樓
同你講聽日起身貶值3成
你制唔制

嘈果班都係無產階級
Nothing to lose
不過佢地仲好錫身 ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-4-13 15:22

如果層層樓都貶值3成, 都唔係唔好woh... 反正都叫做有少少錢可以換過一層大d 既.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-13 01:24

如果層層樓都貶值3成, 都唔係唔好woh... 反正都叫做有少少錢可以換過一層大d 既. ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-4-13 00:34

How about the value of your present home?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-13 01:45

How about the value of your present home?
peter236 發表於 2010-4-13 17:24

因為我層樓唔算貴, 跌盡都係少數目, 應該唔會負資產的, 所以真係冇乜所謂.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-13 08:27

俾你而家有層樓
同你講聽日起身貶值3成
你制唔制

嘈果班都係無產階級
Nothing to lose
不過佢地仲好錫身
唔會捨得好似紅衫一樣拎條命黎博既
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-4-12 23:22

Your hypothetical question is completely meaningless and worthless. Given the land auctioning policies and the amount of influence land developers have in Hong Kong, real estate prices are not going to come down significantly any time soon. Additionally, as long as the Mainland's economy continues to grow (and Grandfather will do everything it can to make sure of that), hot money will continue to flow out of China to prop up the high end and mid-level (real estate) market in Hong Kong. The trickle down effect will then spread out to keep the whole real estate market afloat. And even if public housing is re-introduced, it'll take years before they can affect the market at large.

Now, if the World, US, or China suffers another major crisis of any form, then of course it's a different story.

-Lik

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-4-13 09:26

本帖最後由快樂牛郎於 2010-4-13 09:27 編輯

Your hypothetical question is completely meaningless and worthless.

Then I suppose the discussion on highspeed train was also completely meaningless and worthless, since it was already a done deal.

The issue is how the younger generation in HK these days simply look for free rides, rather than strive hard and try to become leaders.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-13 09:45

TThen I suppose the discussion on highspeed train was also completely meaningless and worthless, since it was already a done deal.

The issue is how the younger generation in HK these days simply look for free rides, rather than strive hard and try to become leaders.
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-4-13 09:26

From day 1, it was well understood by everyone that the protest and rallies against the HK high speed train project would only have the slimmest chance of succeeding. Legislatively, the SAR government and the Establishment side already has enough votes to pass the financial approval. The only piece of arsenal the public has on their side was public pressure and anger that carries a small chance of forcing the SAR government to do the right thing.

It was exactly the same in the July 1 marches in 2003 and 2004. Prior to the demonstrations, the public had little hope that their protest could produce any concrete results, but at the time, contrary to everyone's expectations, it did.

Even though the protests failed to put a stop to the high speed train project, the movement was successful in the sense that it vividly pointed out how shameless and deplorable the SAR government was, and more importantly, how despicable the functional constituency is. Aware for the widespread and structural injustice in Hong Kong has been raised and brought to the forefront. That alone is a small victory since it plants the seeds for further social activism and awareness, especially among the younger crowd.

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-13 11:09

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-13 11:12 編輯

Your hypothetical question is completely meaningless and worthless. Given the land auctioning polic ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-13 08:27

You moron, it is the US grandfather that is doing whatever it can, like printing money and borrowing money, to prop up its crumbling economy.
The real estate here in Vancouver is even more expensive than in Hong Kong. The government here does nothing to help the ordinary people. You need to pay high taxes and now the HST.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-13 11:43

You moron, it is the US grandfather that is doing whatever it can, like printing money and borrowin ...
peter236 發表於 2010-4-13 11:09

U back to HK?

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-13 12:08

You moron, it is the US grandfather that is doing whatever it can, like printing money and borrowing money, to prop up its crumbling economy.
The real estate here in Vancouver is even more expensive than in Hong Kong. The government here does nothing to help the ordinary people. You need to pay high taxes and now the HST.
peter236 發表於 2010-4-13 11:09

LOL~

The US gov does as much to print the greenbacks as the PRC does to prevent the rise of the RMB. Both countries are doing this to prop up their economy, so what's the difference? And if there is no difference, then what's your point?

Have you even checked what the current real estate prices are these days? The average price paid for a home in BC is Cdn$517k, but it is safe to say that at that price, the provincial average size of that home is probably 2000+ sq-ft. Even in Metro Vancouver, $517k can probably get you something in the 1300 to 1500 sq-ft range. How big a place can HKD$4M (that's Cdn$517) buy in Hong Kong? 800 sq-ft?

The government does nothing to help ordinary people? When I was checking yesterday, the provincial government just announced a major infusion of cash into the hospitals to reduce wait times. And what have your PRC government done? Arrest activists that fight for poisonous baby formula cases?

-Lik

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-13 12:30

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作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-13 12:35

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作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-13 13:10

What does the riot has to do with building highspeed railway?

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-13 13:40

What does the riot has to do with building highspeed railway?
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-13 13:10

You'd have to ask our Peter boy about that.

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-13 16:04

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-13 16:05 編輯

You'd have to ask our Peter boy about that.

-Lik
Lik 發表於 2010-4-13 13:40

you moron, in post #29, it was you who talked about the rallies in HK against the HK high speed train project.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-13 16:11

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-13 16:18 編輯

LOL~

The US gov does as much to print the greenbacks as the PRC does to prevent the rise of the RM ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-13 12:08

You moron, the difference is that the US is bankrupt with $trillions of debt. The US is the borrower and China is the lender.
HK is a crowded place, and you know that. The per sq feet price for a home is normally higher in HK. But the per unit price here in Vancouver is sky high and the government is doing nothing here. In HK they have low taxes and public housing.

Here the government can only borrow money for health care. When are they going to reduce the deficit and pay off the debt? It is people like you who have to pay for the big debt at all levels of government.

What is the PRC government doing? It looks like another year of solid economic growth and rapid rising of living standards for them and millions more people are being lifted out of poverty.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-4-13 18:20

he never lived in HK, so don't waste your time on him.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-13 20:01

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作者: samsung 時間: 2010-4-13 20:02

You moron

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-13 20:04

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作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-4-13 20:20

HEY, don't OT!!
as what i heard from my thai friend, it might have a chance for a civil war...

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-13 21:36

HEY, don't OT!!
as what i heard from my thai friend, it might have a chance for a civil war...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-4-13 20:20

are you joking?
they say they will dissolve the parliament and have a new election.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-4-13 21:44

泰國皇室，商人，軍人，政客...
皇室入面好似有搞屎棍...

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-13 21:49

泰國皇室，商人，軍人，政客...
皇室入面好似有搞屎棍...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-4-13 21:44

點算
重話去玩添

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-13 23:41

That's because of all the rich immigrants from China. How do you expect government to help? The ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-13 12:35

You moron, this is not even the excuse that the government gave for implementing the HST.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-13 23:46

點算
重話去玩添
sheep 發表於 2010-4-13 21:49

You can still go there for fun.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-14 00:22

wow million of people are out of poverty in China????????? where did you get that info? no wonder y ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-13 20:05

I didn't follow the discussion, so cannot make comments.

But just want to point out that China has made big achievement in proverty relief is actually true. Even the UN had praised China for the effort it puts in and the achievement it has achieved.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-14 08:24

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-14 11:08

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-14 11:10 編輯

If it endangers your life, it would not be fun anymore, dumb moron.
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-14 08:24

You moron Thailand is so big and the demonstration is in Bangkok. If the other LYK is not going to Bangkok, then maybe it is okay.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-14 14:58

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作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-4-14 17:17

moron, the conflict is nationwide, it is tearing apart the country , even family. You won't know when will there be a riot is the country side since it is not peaceful demonstrations any more.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-14 17:29

moron, the conflict is nationwide, it is tearing apart the country , even family. You won't know whe ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-4-14 17:17

You moron, if that is the case then you should not go there la.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-4-14 17:40

but don't you guys want to see this?

citizens standing up for themselves?

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-14 17:52

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作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-4-14 18:13

merely.

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