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作者: Nam 時間: 2010-4-12 08:45 標題: 鑽石一問

想請教大家咩叫做H & A?
我知基本嘅4C，但唔明咩叫做HA

Thanks

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-4-12 09:29

I *think* you mean this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearts_and_arrows

作者: 小叻 時間: 2010-4-12 09:30

本帖最後由小叻於 2010-4-12 09:34 編輯

回復 1# Nam
Hearts and Arrows Cut ~ in Chinese 八心八箭~ It's a style of cut~ *for a nice diamond it's better to have la*

If you are thinking of buying diamond.. remember to read their GIA cert.. instead of looking at that diamond.. you can't really tell the difference but the cert will tell you all. For the 4C, other than the Color, i think the most important one is the cut...coz if the cut is not nice..not shine ne~

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-12 10:07

回復 3# 小叻

You girl know all about diamonds

作者: B2L2 時間: 2010-4-12 10:10

GIA cert doesn't rate H&A. But a round diamond with good symmetry will display H&A. It is more sales gimmick for me (as a man).

You could view the H&A easily with a special len. My wife has one of those len, $10-20HKD.

作者: B2L2 時間: 2010-4-12 10:15

回復 4# MAXIMUS

Married men (or soon to be) are all experts on diamond.

作者: 小叻 時間: 2010-4-12 10:32

回復 MAXIMUS

Married men (or soon to be) are all experts on diamond.
B2L2 發表於 12-4-2010 10:15

haha so true

my hubby researched and studied a lot before he bought me a diamond ring too XD He did show me once how to calculate the cutting and see if the cut is maximize or sth..but I totally forgot lu~ =P

作者: B仔 時間: 2010-4-12 10:39

小心，
D男人最鍾意呃人，豬多藉口。。。佢地會話："你隻手指咁幼，戴咁大粒石唔好睇架！"

睇吓你想點買囉。。。
如果你要IDEAL CUT， HEARTS／ARROWS，要有牌子嘅話，咁咪帶你條仔去咩TIFFANY呀。。。CARTIER呀。。。咁囉～

我嗰隻係叫我AUNTIE係香港幫我搵。佢專早鑽石批發。你有需要的話，我可以叫我AUNTIE幫你搵石。

因為係批發，所以冇CERT，不過佢係做呢行做咗十幾廿年架喇。。。咩CUT，咩COLOR ETC，佢做睇架。同埋，佢老公（UNCLE啦我叫），係專做鑲石。。。我隻戒指係佢地幫我買石／整戒指。之後佢地送左隻鑽石戒指比我做嫁妝。。。由細睇到我大～ANYWAYS，叫AUNTIE搵石，一定平過你去鋪買。咁當然，如果你要SPECIFIC COLOR／SIZE／CUT。。。都要早D叫AUNTIE幫你GUP住，唔係話要有就有。

If you need, lemme know

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-4-12 16:41

round brilliant is just a style of cutting, actually it is the most common cutting for round diamond.  on the gia, it will tell you the finish is excellent, good or....
as  小叻 said, you should look at the gia, which will tell you all the details.
if you buy it from wholesaler or retailer, you can choose to buy the one with gia or w/out gia.  the one w/out gia usually is cheaper.  but after you purchased, you can send back for certification, just few hundreds dollars, but take weeks.
if you know someone in the industry, the cheapest way to buy it is from the exhibition.

作者: zoids 時間: 2010-4-12 16:47

All these pretty stones are extracted from the blood and sweat of the poor people whose countries are in civil war. All of you should boycott diamond to save those child armies and inhumane war crimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_diamond

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-4-12 16:57

Yeah...I agree that besides colour, cut is important...
But then...i guess the most important factor is PRICE ...
It was couple years ago, Birks offers no interest monthly payment... no other admin charges.. I think it's a good option...

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-4-12 16:57

回復 10# zoids

you can buy the one from canada. no war, keep our employment rate and the people who work for canadian company get really good pay

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2010-4-12 16:57

If you are concern, you can get conflict free diamond.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict-free_diamond

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond

Controversial sources:
The Canadian Government has set up a body known as Canadian Diamond Code of Conduct[53] to help authenticate Canadian diamonds. This is a stringent tracking system of diamonds and helps protect the "conflict free" label of Canadian diamonds.[54]

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-12 19:37

之前買左粒GIA cert 既diamond, 經dealer 買的, 我o係上網搵左d 關於diamond 既info, 唔知有冇用呢?

http://www.diamondarticles.com/diamond-proportions.php
http://www.pricescope.com/wiki/d ... oportioned-diamond/
https://www.gia.edu/facetware/

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-12 21:54

王老五都有 HEART AND ARROW
C 就一個就夠喇

作者: sko 時間: 2010-4-12 23:46

Don't ignore the importance of the stone's clarity: very, very important. You probably won't want anything lower than a VS1, max VS2 (both already quite smoggy in my opinion).

作者: tsumorichisato 時間: 2010-4-13 08:41

For clarity, also depends on what type of flaw it is, needle? cloud? and is it right in the middle or it will be covered when diamond is set...

sometimes a SI doesn't mean exactly worse than a VS...

作者: zuesel 時間: 2010-4-13 13:29

本帖最後由 zuesel 於 2010-4-13 13:36 編輯

回復 5# B2L2

hey, what gimmick???

8 hearts and arrows is a very nice cut. It makes the diamond looks more sim sim!

作者: zuesel 時間: 2010-4-13 13:35

回復 18# zuesel

Diamond is a girl's best friend. I want a bigger one now!

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-4-13 14:06

回復 19# zuesel

me too!

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-13 14:14

The bigger the better

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-4-13 14:50

回復 21# MAXIMUS

Not necessary...the more "sim" ....the better

作者: zuesel 時間: 2010-4-13 15:58

本帖最後由 zuesel 於 2010-4-13 16:04 編輯

This is what I've learned with hubby when shopping for diamonds:

You'd probably want to purchase a diamond with a certificate, ie GIA.

You need it for when you want to trade in or sell. (you might think you want to keep it forever now...that's what i thought too but after 1 year or so, most women for some reason, change their mind and want to trade in for a larger one!!!! Other reasons could be due to unforeseen finanical situation.

Also, (although most people don't do it) you'd need to report to the customs like your cameras, etc when you leave canada with it. It's what proves you didn't buy it from another country, thus, get charged duty or risk being taken away by them when you return. Very "ng daai" lor! We all know how mean customs can be!
But *scratch head* your rock is worth more than your camera, camrecorders, etc, why won't you report it?

If you don't get a certificate right now, you can get it later buy paying a fee. (not sure what it is) to get it appraised again. Hopefully, by then, you won't find out that it's actually not worth what you purchased for la.

House insurance (your diamond is insurable under your home insurance. The certificate stands for the value and a receipt! Very important!!)

Oh, remember that each diamond should have a serial number engraved that can be visible when under magnifying glass!

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-4-13 21:02

smoggy is usually due to fluorescence

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-13 22:04

smoggy is usually due to fluorescence
tofu 發表於 2010-4-13 21:02

no la

係對眼有白內障

作者: B仔 時間: 2010-4-14 08:42

You need it for when you want to trade in or sell. (you might think you want to keep it forever now...that's what i thought too but after 1 year or so, most women for some reason, change their mind and want to trade in for a larger one!!!! Other reasons could be due to unforeseen finanical situation.
zuesel 發表於 2010-4-13 15:58

如果粒石係 MY MAN買比我的，大大小小的，我都唔會諗住遲D換過隻更大粒架囉～～
如果係自己買嘅話，我想換就換。。。
唔同嘅～

作者: tsumorichisato 時間: 2010-4-14 10:48

我都唔buy日後trade in 果套, 求婚介指始終有紀念價值架, 你話anniversary買過隻大D就唔同

作者: zuesel 時間: 2010-4-14 11:18

回復 27# tsumorichisato

Yeah, i keep saying I want to trade in for a bigger one but hubby said don't trade in but he'll buy me a new one. I am trying to save him money so I suggested trade in lor. If he really insists then I'll gladly accept a new bigger one!

作者: jeje 時間: 2010-4-17 02:19

Buy a good quality one. It can pass over to the next .... next .... generation.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-4-20 23:16

Btw, which finger would you wear the engagement ring?
I always thought to put it on the 4th finger. But my friend who just got engaged, says her future MIL says it should be put on the middle finger....

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-4-21 13:09

回復 30# fibbi

western - fourth finger for engagement ring and wedding ring, the middle finger stands for "in a relationship or in love"
chinese - middle finger for engagement ring, the five fingers stand for 追、求、訂、婚、離

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