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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-18 20:44 標題: 大國崛起：上海世博抄襲門

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http://news.163.com/10/0417/17/64G6C3LP00014AEE.html

世博推廣歌曲《2010等你來》著作權存紛爭停用
2010-04-17 17:31:00　來源: 新華網

核心提示：上海世博會事務協調局新聞發言人17日表示，世博局已經關注到上海世博會倒計時30天推廣歌曲《2010等你來》的作曲著作權存在紛爭，並稱其並非上海世博會主題歌曲，上海世博局已決定暫停使用該作品。

《2010等你來》歌曲導演王國平(中)、作詞張鵬(右)和作曲繆森(左)。

上海世博会30天推广歌曲《2010等你来》，被不少网友曝料旋律很像12年前日本女歌手岡本真夜的《不变的你就好》。圖為日本歌手岡本真夜。

新華網上海4月18日電上海世博會事務協調局新聞發言人１８日證實，世博局已經關注到上海世博會倒計時３０天推廣歌曲《２０１０等你來》的作曲著作權存在紛爭，為慎重起見，上海世博局已決定暫停使用該作品。

該新聞發言人說，上海世博會組織者高度重視知識產權保護工作，《２０１０等你來》於２００４年經公開徵集和專家評審，入選世博優秀歌曲。今年，該歌曲經修改後被確定為上海世博會倒計時３０天階段性推廣歌曲，並非上海世博會主題歌曲。按照世博會歌曲徵集的相關法律程序，該作品的詞曲作者均與上海世博局簽署了協議，承諾作品係原創並不侵害第三方權益。

此前有媒體披露，《２０１０等你來》與日本一名歌手創作的《就想這樣跟你在一起》的旋律非常相似。

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-18 20:45

http://news.163.com/10/0418/13/64IC2VUS000146BD.html

世博局回應"世博歌抄襲":已暫停使用正展開調查
2010-04-18 13:51:00　來源: 中國新聞網(北京)

中新社上海4月18日電(記者德永健)上海世博局副局長黃健之18日回應有關“世博歌曲被指抄襲”一事，表示目前世博局已暫停使用被指抄襲的歌曲，正對事件展開調查。

黃健之當天表示，世博局已註意到有世博歌曲被指抄襲一事，“所以我們暫停使用……現在正調查此事，把這個事情搞清楚，以後再按照搞清楚的情況決定怎麼樣”。

他強調，被指抄襲的《2010等你來》是世博會階段性歌曲，並非世博會主題歌曲；同時按照相關法律，世博局已與參加徵集的歌曲作者簽署了明確合約，規定如果有抄襲行為，由他們本人負責。

上海世博局新聞發言人此前曾對媒體通報，《2010等你來》於2004年經公開徵集和專家評審，入選世博優秀歌曲，今年經過修改，被確定為上海世博會倒計時30天階段性推廣歌曲，並非世博主題歌曲。

世博會倒計時一個月之際，《2010等你來》被推出並播放，但隨後有網民爆料，指歌曲與日本某女歌手歌曲的旋律相似，質疑歌曲作者存在抄襲行為。此事經媒體報導後引起多方關注。

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-18 20:49

真係勁到我都唔知講咩好～當條片夾埋左右 channel 一齊出嘅時候，我直情以為佢哋響到 jam 歌夾好晒添～

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-18 20:57

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-18 21:02 編輯

真係勁到我都唔知講咩好～當條片夾埋左右 channel 一齊出嘅時候，我直情以為佢哋響到 jam 歌夾好晒添～

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Lik 發表於 2010-4-18 20:49

hahaha, you posted this as if this is new. We all know about this already la. You are always slower than most of us here.

But this is NOT EVEN the official theme song of Shanghai 2010 EXPO.
2010 等你来 is just a welcome song released as a 30-day countdown/promotion for Shanghai 2010 EXPO. The official theme song is NOT YET KNOWN.
Expect the rise of China to draw even more hate and jealousy.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-18 21:11

舊極又係幾耐之前嘅事？而且，新舊又有咩關係呢？重要嘅係，我哋大國崛起，而且響上海世博面對全世界搞出一壇咁嘅抄襲門事件。

再者，雖然隻歌並唔係世博主題曲，但作為大會嘅倒計時 30天推廣歌曲，而且仲要經過公開徵集同專家評審，但依然可以搞出個咁嘅大頭彿，如果咁都唔算瘀爆嘅話，唔通又要來個京奧式嘅作假代唱，又或者果陣嘅電腦腳板煙花先至叫做丟架？

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-18 21:17

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-18 21:26 編輯

舊極又係幾耐之前嘅事？而且，新舊又有咩關係呢？重要嘅係，我哋大國崛起，而且響上海世博面對全世界搞出一 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-18 21:11

hahaha, the lip-synching was not an issue at all, since many other large scale performance were using lip-synching, including Sydney 2000 Olympics pre-recorded performance by the Sydney and Melbourne orchestra, and the performances at our glorious Vancouver 2010 Olympics opening ceremonies.

Beijing also informed all the international media about the computer animation foot-prints effects as part of the program, before the opening ceremonies, so this was also not an issue at all.
Again, expect the rise of China to draw even more jealousy and unreasonable bashing.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-4-18 22:01

舊極又係幾耐之前嘅事？而且，新舊又有咩關係呢？重要嘅係，我哋大國崛起，而且響上海世博面對全世界搞出一 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-18 21:11

sigh....I agree
so ashamed

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-4-19 08:33

OH SH_T ...

Once u see Jacky sings .. dont want to listen la..

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-19 08:52

hahaha, the lip-synching was not an issue at all, since many other large scale performance were us ...
peter236 發表於 2010-4-18 21:17

Oh yes, we all jealous about you Peter the Gr --eat

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-19 09:10

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作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-19 09:19

so you do admit whatever that article said is the truth. because people like you always try t ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-19 09:10

And he is King of Morons

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-19 09:48

Saw this comment on YouTube about the major embarrassment:

我在這要為中國說句話, 事實是日本作曲者岡田真彥在1997年抄襲了2010年中國上海世博會主題曲, 大家不要顛倒是非, 不然就會嚴重的傷害中國人民的感情. 這起事件是完全是一個台獨藏獨勾結日本企圖要破壞世博會的陰謀, 他們就是見不得中國人好, 中國強大. 想想看: 那有人居然還去聽13年前的歌 ? 不就是處心積慮的要破壞上海世博會嗎 ?

Naturally, Taiwanese media also knows about it la:
[youtube]hCywZGxBMjM[/youtube]
Now, I wonder what our little Big China Peter has to say...

-Lik

作者: LOK 時間: 2010-4-19 10:13

抄襲係中國嘅特色文化, 他們只是想在世博凸顯這中國文化。

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-19 10:24

How stupid are those two guys. Do they really expect people won't discover they 抄襲 especially from a popular song? I gues they will - 呢世都無運行. Who will trust them again?

作者: AAC 時間: 2010-4-19 12:18

點解餐餐都搵成龍唱？真係萬分唔想見到佢副尊容同埋歌喉，好x煩悶。

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-19 12:25

抄襲係中國嘅特色文化, 他們只是想在世博凸顯這中國文化。
LOK 發表於 2010-4-19 10:13

It is the Japanese that copied from Chinese culture. They copied from Chinese noodles, soy sauce, tofu etc.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-19 12:26

I knew it is coming

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-19 12:49

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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-19 12:53

點解餐餐都搵成龍唱？真係萬分唔想見到佢副尊容同埋歌喉，好x煩悶。
AAC 發表於 2010-4-19 12:18

淫龍響香港同臺灣聲名狼藉，但唔知點解，國內同胞一直都當佢係國寶級巨星同揚威海內外嘅中國人之光㗎。

對於呢個分別，我只能夠話港台同胞同國內同胞嘅思維模式絕對係南轅北轍。

-力

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-19 12:57

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作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-4-19 12:58

i~ 天下文章一大抄

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-19 14:53

回復 20# mukmuk2

Jackie used to do adult movie, is that right?

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-20 09:43

http://www.rthk.org.hk/rthk/news ... 00420_55_662165.htm

2010-04-20HKT11:28
日本共同社報道，上海世博會事務協調局已向日本歌手兼作曲家岡本真夜所屬的經理人公司提出申請，希望將岡本的歌曲《不變的你就好》用作上海世博會的宣傳曲，岡本並已同意授權。

報道認為，意味著上海世博局已承認宣傳曲《2010等你來》屬抄襲。

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-4-20 09:48

話時話....今次damage control又做得唔錯.....

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 10:18

當証據確鑿為有低低哋認衰
盡快解決快啲淡忘

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-20 10:37

Damage control 又真係做得算幾好嘅，但壇野 fing 咗成千萬人仔，卻搞出單阿爺最怕嘅國際瘀爆醜聞。你知阿爺響國際舞台上幾要面㗎啦。

其實今次我會話係個日本作曲家非常識做，肯賣版權之餘仲要出來幫世博講好說話。呢舖佢響中國一定有運行。

但從另一個層面去睇，中國人嘅面子又再一次響世仇日本人嘅民眾當中丟盡。成日話大國崛起喎？面就人哋俾，架就自己丟。做埋咁多瘀皮野，仲有咩好講？

-力

http://www.bbc.co.uk/zhongwen/tr ... o_copyright.shtml?s

日本給世博宣傳曲風波寫下快樂結局
童倩
BBC中文網日本特約記者

日本歌星岡本真夜的事務所周一（4月19日）晚向日本各傳媒發送了有岡本簽名的傳真，表示同意上海世博會申請使用岡本舊曲作為世博曲《2010等你來》的曲調。

上海世博歌曲抄襲事件令上海顏面受損

傳真引述岡本的感想說：「能夠有機會為世界矚目的上海世博盛典協力，真是非常好的事，感到光榮。」

岡本事務所說，他們與上海世博會將繼續討論版權費。

雙贏
這一消息成為日本各民間電視台周二早晨閒談節目的一大話題，大家眾口一辭稱讚岡本氣量大、選擇互惠收拾局面、證明她的智慧等等。

富士電視台甚至說，事實上岡本如果不這麼做，搞不好還會發展到兩國外交糾紛。

《2010等你來》4月1日起，作為上海世博會開幕倒計時30天隆重推出的主題曲音樂片在中國各地電視台播出。

播出後幾天中國網絡上開始流傳該曲是盜用岡本真夜的《不變的你就好》，4月16日消息首次傳到日本，連日成為日本各民間電視台和社會茶餘飯後的笑談。

36歲的流行歌星岡本真夜90年代在日本以一首自作詞曲的《Tomorrow》（明天）走紅一時，現在這首歌仍是日本內外不少人耳熟能詳的曲調。

但她的《不變的你就好》，日語叫作《そのままの君でいて》在日本並非廣為人知，這次因為《2010等你來》涉嫌盜用，才讓很多日本人認識了她和這首歌。

抄襲事件今後也許有促銷岡本唱片的作用。

岡本可能不僅因《2010等你來》引起的笑話名利雙收，還因此在中國被更多人認識，也許還生出了今後進入中國市場的契機，真是柳暗花明的結局。

三大認識
日本茶餘飯後連日議論的結果歸納起來，一是加深了中國廣泛盜用外國智慧成果的認識，二是詫異日本歌曲可能比日本人還深入中國民間，三是自豪日本人的文化創造力遠超大國。

《產經新聞》周二的社論標題是「上海世博曲的問題是中國盜用常態化」。

文章說，《2010等你來》是中國侵犯知識產權常態化的一個故事，與去年美國微軟推出「Windows7」以後，中國市場上立刻就有5元人民幣的盜版販賣問題一樣，都說明中國是盜版天堂。

TBS（東京廣播系統）電視台周一下午的閒談節目中，出示07年日本產品在海外被盜版的受害總額為476億日元（超過5億美元），中國約佔53%，為247億日元（約兩億七千美元）。

但出席的嘉賓們倒是紛紛說，沒想到日本產品在海外那麼受青睞，作為日本人還真竊竊私喜。

燙手山芋
現在日本關注《2010等你來》得到了作者使用許可，那麼中國如果繼續播放的後果如何。

中國光明網周一發表「世博歌曲抄襲與思想閹割」的文章說，中國文化精英雲集的上海，大街小巷遊蕩著14年前就在日本唱紅的曲調，像是被日本侵略者的陰魂附體一般。

日本傳媒也紛紛報道中國網民指責《2010等你來》是國恥等譴責。

《產經新聞》周二說，上海世博會從暫停播放到向岡本事務所申請版權，便是承認了《2010等你來》的盜版性質。

這個估計動用了一千萬人民幣製作費的世博曲現在看來成了上海世博會的燙手山芋。

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 10:48

you moron, it is because Japanese eyes are on China's wealth and wants to borrow some money from them to rescure their economy. It is another piece of evidence that how China is influencing the world.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-20 12:11

哪，我唔係齋吹水㗎！等我俾啲 supporting statement / evidence 你睇先！

http://www.bbc.co.uk/zhongwen/tr ... pan_expo_song.shtml

東京專稿：日本笑看世博曲《2010等你來》
童倩
BBC中文網駐東京特約記者

音樂評論家富澤一誠在日本電視台講解可以仿效，但要與作者打招呼（BBC中文網圖片）。

中日網絡上沸沸揚揚了兩天的上海世博宣傳曲《2010 等你來》涉嫌抄襲的議論，終於以周日（4月18日）上海世博會事務協調局宣佈暫停使用的決定告一段落。

據日本共同社報道，上海世博會事務協調局表示，重視知識產權問題，正在和岡本談判簽訂某種協議。

中日街頭民意
日本網絡上傳開《2010等你來》涉嫌抄襲日本歌星岡本真夜的歌曲《不變的你就好》的消息，是在4月16日下午。隨之日本人熟悉的香港歌星成龍、劉德華登演唱的《2010等你來》就登上日本網絡視頻YouTube。傍晚時，各民間電視台已把這條消息作新聞，記者們還在中日兩國街頭徵詢途人聆聽兩首曲子後的反應，並採訪了日本音樂界和岡本事務所等。

日本記者在東京和上海街頭主要對年輕人做調查，不說這兩首曲子是什麼前後關係，就是單放錄音。但東京街頭上被訪者一聽就大概猜到怎麼回事，於是一邊掩嘴笑，一邊用客氣的說法表示的確很像。反而是上海街頭的被訪者反應很直、很嚴厲，使得日本周日在報道上海世博暫停使用《2010等你來》時，相信是因為受到中國民眾的嚴厲指責。

缺乏創造性
日本歌星兼作曲的非常普遍，岡本真夜是其中一人。她最經典的歌曲是《明天》，97年推出、在中國被翻譯為《不變的你就好》並不是她的經典作品，不過她的粉絲們和年輕人很多知道。

08年北京奧運前，日本曾廣泛報道過中國仿造外國產品的問題，從汽車外型模仿勞斯萊斯，到北京兒童樂園的卡通仿效日本等，中國抄襲、模仿的問題家喻戶曉。上海世博的宣傳曲也有這類嫌疑，日本人更加深了中國人缺乏創造性的印象。

日本電視台等幾個民間電視台當天還分別拿著兩個歌曲走訪日本的音樂研究所驗證，所長鈴木松美在電腦旁以音頻軟件分析來說明，兩首歌曲約七成相像。

仿效要打招呼
不過各電視台也分別採訪了一些音樂製作人和評論家，其中音樂評論家富澤一誠對日本電視台說，其實三、四年前起，音樂界已存在仿效現象，例如三分之一仿效也是可能的，但一般來講總要跟原作打個招呼，然後請對方吃餐飯、送點禮作為禮貌。

岡本真夜的事務所對記者的查詢說，他們也在等岡本的反應。不過直至上海世博會事務協調局宣佈暫停使用《2010等你來》，日本還沒聽到岡本的反應。

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 12:22

哪，我唔係齋吹水㗎！等我俾啲 supporting statement / evidence 你睇先！
Lik 發表於 2010-4-20 12:11

Could you make yourself straight?

What you guys had said China should be like this and like that? I challenged you guys whether it is feasible, realistic and is in the best interest of the ordinary mainland Chinese.

Or it is just to fulfill you guys' own ego and 情緒發洩?

rockypath 發表於 2010-4-19 14:54

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-20 14:11

回復 29# sheep

羊仔, so you want to put me on the table?

I actually showed the news and clips to my parents and tell them the story. Why should we be afraid to face problems and consequence?

It is you that are afraid of facing problems and facts.

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-4-20 14:22

It is the Japanese that copied from Chinese culture. They copied from Chinese noodles, soy sauce, ...
peter236 發表於 2010-4-19 12:25

抄都要抄得高明

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-20 14:23

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-20 14:26 編輯

Damage control 又真係做得算幾好嘅，但壇野 fing 咗成千萬人仔，卻搞出單阿爺最怕嘅國際瘀爆醜聞。你知阿爺響國際舞台上幾要面㗎啦。 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-20 10:37

You can certainly make fun of mainland China and say they “死要面子”. But I don’t think you understand their 埋藏在心底的百年心結 – 中國被外族侵略，被人侵略和欺負超過一百年; 中國人被稱為東亞病夫; 海外華人遭人歧視被稱為“中國豬”。China doesn’t even have a say on the international stage 30 years ago.

The mainland Chinese have to suffer and wait for over hundred years and now they finally can proudly claim – “我們中國人終於可以站起來了.”

When you make fun of them, do you realize what is hiding behind the scene?

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-20 15:33

For once 我同意你嘅講法，而我亦當然了解中國人呢個心結。但咁樣咪正正代表住中國大陸嘅人（特別係領導層）依然有嚴重嘅自卑感作遂，而無法擺脫 big penis syndrome 呢個心理陰影囉。一個真係成熟嘅國家、一群真係成熟嘅人民，又點會好似中國咁死要面？

至於抄歌果件事，就直情係無恥兼敗家啦（敗咗成千萬人仔呀～）

-力

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-20 15:41

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-20 15:46 編輯

For once 我同意你嘅講法，而我亦當然了解中國人呢個心結。但咁樣咪正正代表住中國大陸嘅人（特別係領導層 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-20 15:33

My family has been living overseas long enough and we know what discrimination means to us. However, we do not 自卑. Instead, my family wants to be 自強. We clearly understand that – 如果我們自己都看不起自己，我們怎能期望其他人尊敬我們!

It is you seem to not being proud of your Chinese root (if you are a Chinese).

P.S. - 歌曲抄襲事件just is an unfortunate accident. Can we really blame the government? Do you think they want to spend the money in vain?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 16:20

歌曲抄襲事件just is an unfortunate accident
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-20 15:41

抄都有不幸抄錯？

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-20 16:21

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-20 16:23 編輯

抄都有不幸抄錯？
sheep 發表於 2010-4-20 16:20

Just go to read the news carefully.

我看不起你這種人！and in simplified Chinese - 我瞧不起你这种人!

Shame of you!

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 16:26

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2010-4-20 16:31 編輯

Just go to read the news carefully.

我看不起你這種人！and in simplified Chinese - 我瞧不起你这种 ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-20 16:21

呢句話好似係你講嘅
係我 QUOTE 你嘅 ARGUEMENT
SHAME SHOULD BE ON YOU

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 16:31

Do you think they want to spend the money in vain? rockypath 發表於 2010-4-20 15:41

係啲人想渾水摸魚
瞞天過海用個腦諗吓野啦
難怪 MJJ 技術擊倒你
你真係唔夠班

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-20 16:34

It is you seem to not being proud of your Chinese root (if you are a Chinese).
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-20 15:41

In the overall scheme of things, it is true that I am ashamed of my Chinese roots.

I am certainly proud of my Chinese cultures, and China's rise in the last 10 years or so has been especially impressive. But in the face of freedom, justice, and human rights, China has given me absolutely nothing to be proud of. As a matter of fact, the continual and repeated violations brings nothing but shame not only to me as a Chinese, but also as a person.

一個人想要得到其他人尊重，都要佢本身值得去俾人尊重先至得。但 so far，中國大陸咁多嘅所作所為又值得去俾其他人尊重嗎？

-Lik

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 16:36

如果我們自己都看不起自己，我們怎能期望其他人尊敬我們!

rockypath 發表於 2010-4-20 15:41

要人尊重你你先要尊重自己尊重別人
抄人地嘅野就唔尊重自己唔尊重別人
呢個叫咎由自取

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 16:40

被不少网友曝料旋律很像12年前日本女歌手岡本真夜的《不变的你就好》。

12年前

Why? Rockypath answer me

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-20 17:09

被不少网友曝料旋律很像12年前日本女歌手岡本真夜的《不变的你就好》。

12年前

Why? Rockypath answer ...
sheep 發表於 2010-4-20 16:40

Do you understand English?

I said it is an unfortunate accident. I guess you don't understand what “an unfortunate accident" mean.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-20 17:10

In the overall scheme of things, it is true that I am ashamed of my Chinese roots.

I am certainly ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-20 16:34

So you are saying you don’t want to be a Chinese, but it is an unfortunate thing that it is not your choice? I feel pity for you.

When you have a child, do you expect him turn an adult overnight? There is much for him to explore and to learn as he grows. Will you 嫌棄him because he is not as handsome or smart as other children?

No matter how immature and imperfect China is, we will NOT be ashamed of our Chinese root. We believe China will grow and improve as a child. We do our small part to make a contribution even though it might look insignificant instead of 怨天尤人.

I will teach my children (if I have one) to be proud of being a Chinese and make a contribution in their ability. Even though it is possible that I might not be able to see China because a truly democratic country in my life, I hope my children will.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-4-20 17:17

回復 39# Lik

I think it's no need to put an equal sign between chinese root and chinese govt. If you are ashame of the chinese government (because the no human right, lack of justice etc..) it's fine, but doesn't mean you are ashame of chinese root IMO.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 17:21

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2010-4-20 17:47 編輯

抄都有不幸抄錯？
sheep 發表於 2010-4-20 16:20

Do you understand English?

I said it is an unfortunate accident. I guess you don't understand what “an unfortunate accident" mean
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-20 17:09

UNFORTUNATE = 不幸
ACCIDENT = 意外即係抄錯
WHO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ENGLISH?

OR SHOULD I SAY WHO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND 中文?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 17:28

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2010-4-20 17:30 編輯

Do you understand English?

I said it is an unfortunate accident. I guess you don't understand wh ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-20 17:09

THE ACCIDENT IS:
SHE SHOULD COPY ONE THAT IS 20 YEARS AGO INSTEAD OF 12 YEARS AGO?

OR IS IT UNFORTUNATE THAT IT IS 12 YEARS AGO?

ANSWER ME WITH YOUR FACT AND ARGUEMENT

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-20 17:29

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-20 17:32 編輯

In the overall scheme of things, it is true that I am ashamed of my Chinese roots.

I am certainly ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-20 16:34

Lik, what a self-hating moron you are? You can always go back to your Great Britain.
Who do you think you are? We don't even care anymore if you think you are Chinese. There are so many Chinese people world wide who are proud of their Chinese roots.

You are just jealous of the rapid rise of the Chinese, and you as a British supporter wants to maintain status quo, hahaha.

Lik, why don't you just go ahead and remove your Chinese name? Why don't you paint you face white to become a Caucasian?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 17:36

Lik, what a self-hating moron you are? You can always go back to your Great Britain.
Who do you thi ...
peter236 發表於 2010-4-20 17:29

why you don't start to write Chinese simplify or tradition will do?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-20 17:41

why you don't start to write Chinese simplify or tradition will do?
sheep 發表於 2010-4-20 17:36

You moron, I can choose whichever language I wish. There is no reason not to use this language.
sheep, you should remove your Chinese name as well.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 17:44

You moron, I can choose whichever language I wish. There is no reason not to use this language.
sh ...
peter236 發表於 2010-4-20 17:41

You like to be a Chinese with froeigner parents, speak Japanese, wear cloths from Britain, drive car made by German?

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-20 18:19

對於石仔路啲廢 up，我都廢事覆你喇。你要做自豪嘅中國人，你咪即管做囉。但我會不斷去提醒你貪污可以有幾自豪、政治打壓同剝奪人權會令你呢個中國人有幾驕傲。

I think it's no need to put an equal sign between chinese root and chinese govt. If you are ashame of the chinese government (because the no human right, lack of justice etc..) it's fine, but doesn't mean you are ashame of chinese root IMO.
fibbi 發表於 2010-4-20 17:17

而 Fibbi，我唔止對中共政府無乜希望，我亦對中國大陸裡面嘅「人性」嚴重失望。毒奶粉、坑渠油、建材豆腐渣、毒疫苗、暴發戶不可一世，呢啲係政府搞出來嘅，定係人性嘅磨滅而所引至嘅呢？

如此嘅「人性」，又豈能叫我唔去感到羞愧呢？

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-20 18:23

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-20 18:25 編輯

對於石仔路啲廢 up，我都廢事覆你喇。你要做自豪嘅中國人，你咪即管做囉。但我會不斷去提醒你貪污可以有幾 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-20 18:19

You moron, please remove your Chinese name la, and paint your face white la.
We don't need you to be part of the Chinese culture.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-20 18:37

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-20 18:45 編輯

對於石仔路啲廢 up，我都廢事覆你喇。你要做自豪嘅中國人，你咪即管做囉。但我會不斷去提醒你貪污可以有幾 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-20 18:19

I will certainly continue to be proud of my Chinese root and so do my children.

We do our small part to help China grow and improve even though it is insignificant if we want to be able to witness China become a truly democratic country one day.

I can only feel pity for you that you only 怨天尤人 and feel sorry for being a Chinese.

P.S. - if you want to find out more about 人性醜惡 in western world, please look up the history book (including 近代歷史 and 時事). I really feel pity for you.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-20 19:48

一早知果條友抄歌既話, 佢就一早比人打左靶啦~
唔抄都抄左, 唔用都用左, 大陸就只好處理呢個case, 令到佢既傷害性減到最低, 其實大陸今次呢方面算做得唔錯了.

其實有冇辦法知道一首歌有冇抄襲既成份呢? 係唔係要 create 一個全世界既原創music database, 搵software digitally capture 左每一首歌既signature (remedy 之類啦), 之後每一首歌都係map 入呢個database 睇下有冇同其他歌相似, 如果相似程度過了某個threshold 就 alert.

諗起都覺得勁呀!

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-4-20 19:52

真係廢噏....人地大會都已經認左係抄...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-20 19:56

真係廢噏....人地大會都已經認左係抄...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-4-21 11:52

我諗應該唔係大會去抄, 而係"作曲家"抄. 個"作曲家"交左首歌比大會, 大會又收左貨. 而家比人揭發左, 大會又唔會將所有責任推o係"作曲家"身上既, 因為首歌大會都approve 左的.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 20:25

I will certainly continue to be proud of my Chinese root and so do my children.

We do our small p ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-20 18:37

ANSER MY QUESTION = 答我嘅問題

THE ACCIDENT IS:
SHE SHOULD COPY ONE THAT IS 20 YEARS AGO INSTEAD OF 12 YEARS AGO?

OR IS IT U ...
sheep 發表於 2010-4-20 17:28

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 20:26

冇種

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-20 20:35

冇種
sheep 發表於 2010-4-20 20:26

Ask MJJ to teach you English lar...

Cannot help you if you don't understand English.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 20:37

我諗應該唔係大會去抄, 而係"作曲家"抄. 個"作曲家"交左首歌比大會, 大會又收左貨. 而家比人揭發左, 大會 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-4-20 19:56

而家係個作者唔認抄
佢話佢可似曹植咁
一路行一路作㗎

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-4-20 20:52

知恥近乎勇

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 20:59

Ask MJJ to teach you English lar...

Cannot help you if you don't understand English.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-20 20:35

乜你認無種呀
比人話得多呀
一見倒就餓狗搶屎咁對號入座

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-20 21:15

早抖我瞓喇

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-4-20 21:25

我唔止對中共政府無乜希望，我亦對中國大陸裡面嘅「人性」嚴重失望。毒奶粉、坑渠油、建材豆腐渣、毒疫苗、暴發戶不可一世，呢啲係政府搞出來嘅，定係人性嘅磨滅而所引至嘅呢？

如此嘅「人性」，又豈能叫我唔去感到羞愧呢？
Lik 發表於 2010-4-20 18:19

我記得柏楊有本著作，叫<醜陋的中國人>。我相信天下烏鴉一樣黑，如果香港不是有良好的法治，良好的教育制度（良好的意思是有德育課會教什麼是禮義廉恥），你猜香港會好得多少？還不是有水放水，無水散水？貪污腐敗不是大陸的專利。與其為身在大陸的中國人的行為（如毒奶，豆腐榨工程）等而感到羞愧，倒不如把這些看成是一個國家快促發展下的副產品。我更不會為身為中國人而感到羞愧。總之希望明天會更好啦.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-20 22:16

而家係個作者唔認抄
佢話佢可似曹植咁
一路行一路作㗎
sheep 發表於 2010-4-21 12:37

唔係呀化, 咁都唔認?
咁佢有冇覺得佢首歌同人地果首好似? 唔係真係人有相似丫麻...

就算... 就算個作者真係冇抄, 而家首歌出黎係人都覺得似, 人人都覺得係抄架啦! 所以, 大陸好應該暫時唔用呢首歌, 直到版權問題解決為止啦~

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-20 22:25

我記得柏楊有本著作，叫。我相信天下烏鴉一樣黑，如果香港不是有良好的法治，良好的教育制度（良好的意思 ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-4-21 13:25

個人而言, 小弟非常認同fibbi 既睇法.
小弟身為中國人, 絕對想中國人有朝一日會成為一個文明既國家~

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-4-20 22:48

公民教育要急起直追...之不過都落後左2﹣3代人。。。。

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-20 23:20

我記得柏楊有本著作，叫<醜陋的中國人>。我相信天下烏鴉一樣黑，如果香港不是有良好的法治，良好的教育制度（良好的意思是有德育課會教什麼是禮義廉恥），你猜香港會好得多少？還不是有水放水，無水散水？貪污腐敗不是大陸的專利。與其為身在大陸的中國人的行為（如毒奶，豆腐榨工程）等而感到羞愧，倒不如把這些看成是一個國家快促發展下的副產品。我更不會為身為中國人而感到羞愧。總之希望明天會更好啦.
fibbi 發表於 2010-4-20 21:25

唔好忘記中國大陸曾經經歷過毛賊同文革嘅洗劫、摧殘。從我個人來睇，我會話淨係文革呢一劫已經造成一個接近毀滅性嘅傷害：老竇鬥個仔、學生鬥老師、左鄰鬥右里，所有中華文族嘅基本人際關係同人性都被撕裂，而留低嘅就只有弱肉強食呢個概念。而我深信，現今中國大陸裡面唔少嘅劣質人性都係反映出當年文革所種下嘅業報同所引來嘅惡果。

就算你將國內呢啲行為睇成國家快促發展下的副產品，咁呢啲副產品又是好是壞呢？個影響力又點解可以咁廣大嘅呢？又點解會歷年來一單又接一單呢？人要希望明天會更好，你都要有啲客觀嘅事實來令到自己可以合理咁去相信先至得㗎？好嘅事我唔係見唔到，但壞嘅事卻來得一啲都唔少，而且仲要餐餐嚴重、鑊鑊甘。

你可以話我悲觀，但我真係睇唔見有乜野理由可以令我樂觀囉。

-力

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-20 23:37

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-20 23:41 編輯

唔好忘記中國大陸曾經經歷過毛賊同文革嘅洗劫、摧殘。從我個人來睇，我會話淨係文革呢一劫已經造成一個接 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-20 23:20

Why don’t you spend some time to study the “dark ages” in western history and understand how many people had died and what kind of price they paid for the building of the democracy they achieve today?

Do you really believe people in western countries suffered less than the Chinese?

I feel pity for you.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-4-20 23:39

好主要由於共產思想...只有敵我，不談對錯，不分黑白，只有勝負。
做乜都好，只要贏。

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-20 23:43

好主要由於共產思想...只有敵我，不談對錯，不分黑白，只有勝負。
做乜都好，只要贏。 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-4-20 23:39

The problem is 人, but not 共產主義.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-20 23:46

唔好忘記中國大陸曾經經歷過毛賊同文革嘅洗劫、摧殘。從我個人來睇，我會話淨係文革呢一劫已經造成一個接 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-21 15:20

力兄, 正如你所講, 中國曾經經歷過毛賊同文革嘅洗劫, 仲要只係三四十年前既事, 係唔係要時間復完先? 比d 時間, 唔好灰心, 小弟覺得中國會進步的.

身為中國人, 都唔支持中國人既話, 你仲想有乜野人支持中國人?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-21 00:08

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-21 00:14 編輯

好主要由於共產思想...只有敵我，不談對錯，不分黑白，只有勝負。
做乜都好，只要贏。 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-4-20 23:39

hahaha, this sounds like the American attitude wor. Everything the US does is based on national interests, not right or wrong.
A foreign country is either friend or enemy, no middle ground, LOL. Either you are with us, or you are with the enemies.
America is always right, Europe is wrong, China is wrong, Japan is wrong, LOL.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-21 00:16

hahaha, this sounds like the American attitude wor. Everything the US does is based on national in ...
peter236 發表於 2010-4-21 16:08

其實人類就有呢個特性, 一d 都唔出奇.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-4-21 00:17

請你好好睇清楚毛澤東／列寧/斯太林係二十世紀既發言再番黎廢噏。Moron.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-21 00:49

Why don’t you spend some time to study the “dark ages” in western history and understand how many people had died and what kind of price they paid for the building of the democracy they achieve today?

Do you really believe people in western countries suffered less than the Chinese?
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-20 23:37

Now you are making zero sense to the point that you are just contradicting yourself.

Have you looked at modern history and what western countries are doing now? Certainly they are far from perfect, but their ideals are sound, and their actions are a lot more proper than what happens in China.

Now, if you were saying that people in western countries suffered just as much as Chinese, then how come westerners can rebound from their dark history to stand taller and more righteous than their predecessors, and yet the Chinese can't? Don't give me the crap that western countries have had more time to rebound because I can just as easily counter that with the argument saying it should be easier for Chinese to learn it since they've seen the examples of the western countries.

Lemme give you a tip, Rocky kid. Keep your mouth shut if you don't know shxt. Or at least, try not to contradict yourself, especially when you are in the same thread.

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-21 00:59

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-21 01:00 編輯

請你好好睇清楚毛澤東／列寧/斯太林係二十世紀既發言再番黎廢噏。Moron.
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-4-21 00:17

You moron, I am not saying you are wrong wor.
I am just saying the Americans are just like that as well.
Please read up on some Americans politics before spewing crap here.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-21 01:03

Now you are making zero sense to the point that you are just contradicting yourself.

Have you look ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-21 00:49

You moron, look at all those near bankrupt European countries.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-4-21 01:07

you moron, look at those bankrupt N Korean and Cuba

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-21 01:28

you moron, look at those bankrupt N Korean and Cuba
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-4-21 01:07

Who cares about bankrupt Europe?
China is rising and progressing rapidly.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-21 01:32

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-21 01:45 編輯

Now you are making zero sense to the point that you are just contradicting yourself.

Have you look ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-21 00:49

Lik,

I am losing respect to you. Does the dignity of being a Chinese mean anything to you?

China is lagging behind most of western countries both economically and politically. It is a fact and there are historic reasons for it.

It is more important to make a contribution to build a better China as a Chinese.

I don’t mind to speak shxt (by your definition) especially when I can stand tall with my proud Chinese root. Would you be ashame of being a Chinese when China was on top of the world at Tang dynasty?

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-21 05:48

回復 81# rockypath

What else can you do other than speaking shxt and name calling

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-21 07:53

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-21 08:05 編輯

回復 rockypath

What else can you do other than speaking shxt and name calling
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-21 05:48

Do you mind to tell everyone what kind of shxt I am speaking?

When you make a mistake, do you have the gut to admit it and face it instead of denying it and defending yourself at all cost?

I guess you don't have respect to mainland Chinese for what they have suffered and been through. Are you ashamed of being a Chinese as well? When you deny your Chinese root, it just like denying your parents and your family root. I have the least respect to people like you.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-21 08:12

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作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-21 08:20

理屈詞窮就鬧人唔係中國人

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-21 08:21

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作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-21 08:23

理屈詞窮就鬧人唔係中國人
sheep 發表於 2010-4-21 08:20

Read post #39 if you understand English.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-21 08:24

agree.
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-21 08:21

Read post #39 if you understand English.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-21 08:33

Read post #39 if you understand English.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-21 08:24

seems like you read English but not understood

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-21 08:33

Read post #39 if you understand English.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-21 08:24

seems like you can read English but not understood

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-21 09:42

I am losing respect to you. Does the dignity of being a Chinese mean anything to you?

China is lagging behind most of western countries both economically and politically. It is a fact and there are historic reasons for it.

It is more important to make a contribution to build a better China as a Chinese.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-21 01:32

I hate to repeat myself, but tell me what dignity I can find as a Chinese when the Mainland ignores all sorts of basic human rights, and its citizens continue to pump out poisonous foods, toys, and commodities of all sorts in pursue of their own share of filthy lucre?

Furthermore, it puzzles me to no ends when someone repeatedly claims that a person of Chinese descent should contribute to build a better China when they are living outside of China themselves. If you mean what you say, then what the heck are you doing here in Canada?

I think the correct word to describe this is "hypocrite". (Oh actually, I think the proper LYK term is "moron"

)

-Lik

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-21 11:54

[quote]Do you mind to tell everyone what kind of shxt I am speaking?

When you make a mistake, do you ha ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-21 07:53

[/quo
You moroh
I said you are insane and you proved yourself: when did I say I'm ashame of being Chinese? or I deny my Chinese root? show the proof, you are all fuxx up.
I said my family and relatives have been through all the un-just experience and
my parents had no choice but to escape from the motherland they loved so much;
I was fortunate enough to born and raised in HK, then another exodus in 1996.
You are the one who cannot face your own mistakes and scream and name calling instead. Mind to read your own posting, I got sick and tired keep reminding you, idiot

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-21 12:19

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-21 12:21 編輯

I hate to repeat myself, but tell me what dignity I can find as a Chinese when the Mainland ignores ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-21 09:42

You moron, are you saying all ethnic Chinese living outside of China should say "oh we do not support a better China at all", once they say they support China , they have to go back?

According to your stupid logic, all people in Canada, regardless of ethnicity, should not have at least moral support of their native country? should hate their own ethnic roots and their own culture? otherwise they should go back?

What type of stupid logic is that?
What a pathetic loser you are?

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-21 12:27

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作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-21 12:49

回復 95# mukmuk2

Did they answer you which passport he use to go shopping US?
who is the hypocrite here?

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-21 12:53

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作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-21 17:09

I said you are insane and you proved yourself: when did I say I'm ashame of being Chinese? or I deny my Chinese root? show the proof, you are all fuxx up. ...

MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-21 11:54

So, would you mind to explain why did you say I speak shxt when I told people I am proud of my Chinese root and there is a 百年心結 that the mainland Chinese has been hiding deep in their heart -中國被外族侵略，被人侵略和欺負超過一百年; 中國人被稱為東亞病夫; 海外華人遭人歧視被稱為“中國豬”。China doesn’t even have a say on the international stage 30 years ago. The mainland Chinese have to suffer and wait for over hundred years and now they finally can proudly proclaim – “我們中國人終於可以站起來了.”

If I am speaking shxt, so what are you speaking?

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-21 18:18

I hate to repeat myself, but tell me what dignity I can find as a Chinese when the Mainland ignores ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-21 09:42

Are you conscious about what you are saying?

So should a person be proud of his ethnic root depends on whether his native country has the same level of achievement economically and politically as the leading western countries such as Canada, US and Britain? If he is from Norway, it is cool and he can be proud of his root because Norway is a wealthy and free country. If he is from Iran, he is doomed that he should not be proud of his root because Iran is poor and ruled under dictatorship. Is this your stand according to what you said?

Why I am here in Canada? It is because I am lucky enough to live in the TODAY Canada but not the Canada 130 years ago when the Chinese did not even have a chance to because one of the Canadian. And also because of our ancestors who sacrificed their lives to fight for Canada in World War II when the Chinese were treated as second class citizen, the Chinese finally won the full citizenship in 1947.

Just because of the contribution and sacrifices our ancestors had made, I have a chance to live in a wealthy and free country.

作者: 小叻 時間: 2010-4-21 19:46

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seems like the expo already knew the problem of the "PR" song back in March.. so embarrassing....

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