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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-20 12:35 標題: 上海失禮首開放園區測試 20萬人蜂擁失控迫爆意國館玻璃

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上海失禮
首開放園區測試 20萬人蜂擁失控迫爆意國館玻璃

【明報專訊】上海世博下周六開幕，園區昨日進行首場試運行，接待約20萬名參觀者，測試園區各項設施及準備情，誰料大門一開，本報發現至少有五大混亂，最嚴重的是人流控制失控，各場館及設施俱爆滿，中國館的預約機一度失靈，大批向隅者企圖衝入館內；意大利館外玻璃被人潮迫爆；英國館等因不能應付大量人潮而提早關閉；園內無論上廁所、吃飯、坐公交車都大排長龍，致群眾鼓譟。

上海世博會事務協調局指首場試運行演練的園區秩序「總體平穩」，總體達到預計效果。上海世博局新聞宣傳部長徐威表示，世博開幕前夕現階段發現問題屬「正常」，「我們就是要發現問題，然後處理問題、解決問題」。他說，世博局會在未來數星期與各方磨合，確保世博開幕及場館投入運作後，不再出現混亂。

當局指秩序總體平穩宣傳部長﹕有問題正常

世博首天的試運行主要接待參展館的員工及家屬，約有20萬人次，但園區之外發現有人炒黃牛票。本報記者昨到園區時，發現至少五大混亂情（見表），最嚴重是人流控制欠妥。由於多個展館，如日、韓、西班牙等沒有參與昨日的試運行，僧多粥少之下，遊客都湧到中國館及開放了的歐洲館。

因遊客太多，幾乎每個館外都是裏三層外三層的人群，在最矚目的中國館，外面秩序明顯較混亂，由於中國館只接受預約，大批參觀者湧到場內的預約機取票，詎料該機一度失靈，而預約券更在開園1小時內派完，引起數以百計苦苦等候的旅客不滿及鼓譟，有人更大嚷「中國人不能入中國館，為什麼？」，一些人更企圖衝入館內，要駐場軍警阻截人群。中國館附近的香港館也是人頭湧湧，要等上1小時才能進內，台灣館更一度要等4個鐘頭。

向隅遊客鼓譟﹕中國人為何不能入中國館

歐洲區的情同樣混亂，最後是多個展館因承受不了如此大量人流而提早關門。其中，意大利館大門右側一塊3乘3米的玻璃更被人潮迫爆，雖然現場有很多志願者維持秩序，但由於沒有擴音器及喇叭等設備，顯得混亂。英國館外則打了五圈蛇餅，上午約11時許，有遊客衝破護欄，引起其他遊客跟風，現場一度混亂，後來由英國館工作人員築起人牆，秩序才維持好一些，但其後再有遊客衝入，最後與澳洲館都提前關門，不少遊客對此都大呼失望，只得在外拍照後離開。也有遊客說本想參觀美國館，但聽說要等8小時，決定放棄。

除了人潮逼爆場館，遊客無論是吃飯或上廁所都要大排長龍，特別是靠近中國館的一帶，午飯時間每家食肆都有幾十人排隊，有餐廳在中午已售罄所有食物。有遊客投訴，一碗麵要60元， KFC快餐店一共提供5種套餐，價格在29到99元之間，有遊客抱怨說是「強制消費」。由於人太多，園區內的地圖亦一早派清，惟園區內的廣播指美國館、英國館、盧森堡館及荷蘭館，擁擠時只有普通話廣播，有遊客說園內志願者似乎對區內亦不熟悉，對旅客不便。

明報記者張岳弢上海報道

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-20 12:37

今次唔係我講㗎喇～唔知道我仲須要提供啲乜野 supporting evidence 呢？

-力

作者: chobit 時間: 2010-4-20 15:23

But if this is a test, then it make sense to have problem so that they can try to fix them before the real things..! That's the same with our IT Admin works la...! We can just roll out something without some sort of beta testing.., and doing it in a control enviroments..!

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-4-20 15:29

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-4-20 15:33 編輯

But if this is a test, then it make sense to have problem so that they can try to fix them before th ...
chobit 發表於 2010-4-20 15:23

Lik just tries to find any possible opportunity to bash China.

I would suggest Lik to know a little bit more the Germany method of testing. Its purpose of testing is to find out hidden and potential problems, but not to prove there is NO PROBLEM!

Lik just keeps embarassing himself.

P.S. forgot to mention - MJJ should be good at this method of testing - "system overloading".

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-20 15:31

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-20 15:32 編輯

今次唔係我講㗎喇～唔知道我仲須要提供啲乜野 supporting evidence 呢？

-力 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-20 12:37

wow, what a moron you are who likes to pick on China? This is why they need to perform these tests. The tests are to find out problems before the official opening.

wow, Lik, you are just amazing. More amazing than the cauldron thing that failed to go up during the Vancouver 2010 opening ceremonies.

Looks like the Shanghai Expo is a stunning success, just look at the large number of people wanting to visit.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-20 16:38

Lik just tries to find any possible opportunity to bash China.
rockypath 發表於 2010-4-20 15:29

If there were no problems to begin with, do you really think I could find any faults even if I wanted to?

Think a little before you open your trap la~

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-20 17:36

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-20 17:39 編輯

If there were no problems to begin with, do you really think I could find any faults even if I want ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-20 16:38

hahaha, if you really want to pick on any country, you can easily do so. Which country does not have problems? With all your wisdom you can do it. Somehow you are self-hating and like to pick on your own kind.

You moron, this is why in Shanghai they need to perform these tests. The tests are to find out problems before the official opening.
Of course you dared not bash the Vancouver 2010 cauldron that failed to go up during the opening ceremonies. What a coward you are?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-20 19:53

今次都係一個trial run 之麻~ 當局就係要靠呢d trial run 先可以stimulate 到個場既live performance, 有問題就fix 左佢咁law.

搵到有問題係一件好事, 最怕係有人控制d trial run, reflect 唔到realtime situation 就大件事喇~

石路兄: 唔該唔好成日ref 去MJJ , 我同你唔係好熟.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-21 17:51

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2010-4-21 17:52 編輯

而家係迫爆玻璃
係人問題定係玻璃問題
FIX 邊樣？

會唔會係文化問題？

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-21 18:01

THE PROBLEM IS

執輸行頭
慘過敗家

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-21 18:44

而家係迫爆玻璃
係人問題定係玻璃問題
FIX 邊樣？

會唔會係文化問題？
sheep 發表於 2010-4-22 09:51

一定有辦法將個risk 降低去一個acceptable level 既~
唔係要搞呢d trial run 仲乜woh? 就係要搵出一d 要有live data 先出現既problem law.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-21 20:04

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作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-21 21:11

mukmuk2, Peter 仔同力兄既恩恩怨怨真係好難一句講哂.
小弟覺得, 每當力兄有關於大陸既post, Peter 仔就會即刻moron 前moron 後去為中國辯護.
而力兄o係時事版關於大陸既post 又都十居其九係衰野, 所以Peter 仔已經認定力兄係一個漢奸...

well, 其實post 一d 關於一個人既衰野, 都唔係一定對果個人不利, 好有可能係對果個人有希望, 所以有要求. 小弟覺得力兄同Peter 仔都係情繫中國, 只係大家既表達方式唔同law.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-21 22:44

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作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-21 22:47

mukmuk2, Peter 仔同力兄既恩恩怨怨真係好難一句講哂.
小弟覺得, 每當力兄有關於大陸既post, Peter 仔就會 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-4-21 21:11

Why master moron keep accusing Lik as British Agent?
is Lik MI-6? and how about you MJJ ?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-21 23:44

You gave too much credit to Peter la. He would not care what you said but just determined people ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-22 14:44

唔知呢, 我覺得一個人可以o係一個forum 都咁愛國既話, 其本人一定好愛國.
雖然佢既愛國之心好鬼盲目, 但係佢本性不壞啦~ 佢又唔係做d 作奸犯科既野.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-21 23:49

Why master moron keep accusing Lik as British Agent?
is Lik MI-6? and how about you MJJ ?
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-22 14:47

我覺得Peter 仔同力兄d 對話已經係牽涉私人恩怨架喇, 冰封三呎, 非一日之寒. 正如力兄都覺得小弟係牆頭草, 我都冇計啦~

如果力兄係British Agent, 我就緊係國產零零漆啦! 問你驚唔驚!

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-22 00:15

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-22 00:29 編輯

You, sheep and chobits are the only ones really discussing the problem instead of finding a way to ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-21 20:07

When the issue at hand is not a "problem", then it is just unreasonable bashing.
We all know pointing out a problem is okay.
But it is clear that people like Lik, are taking things out of context. This is clearly a self-hating behavior and is bashing.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-22 00:19

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-22 00:30 編輯

This article is from newspaper, Lik did not write it. Why is it Lik to bash and all Rocky and Peter ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-21 20:04

You moron, everybody had to queue up at the Shanghai Expo. The test was supposed to find out any problems that need to be fixed before the official opening. Therefore, they arranged a large number of people to test the place. What they need to fix is some of the ticketing machines. A lot of people waited for so long, but that was because they only opened a small number of pavilions for testing.

When I visited mainland China, everybody was so orderly and queued up at the airport, train stations, subway stations, at various tourist spots, at Mcdonalds etc.

In fact, I think mainland China is more orderly than Canada. It is an achievement, especially they have a very large population. There are more population in Shanghai and the surrounding areas than in the whole of Canada.
The Vancouver 2010 cauldron is an embarrassment, that Lik just refused to admit. How can an advanced modern country like Canada, screw up a simple thing as the cauldron? Clearly, testing was not done properly beforehand.
The crowds at Shanghai Expo during testing was already way larger than any events that the Vancouver 2010 Olympics had to handle.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-4-22 00:38

Peter 仔, 而家力兄都應該知衰而收哂聲啦, 你仲想點? 你唔係expect 佢會公開向你認錯丫麻, o徙氣啦.
而且, 你唔可以否定力兄只係post 一段news 而唔係bash 大陸woh.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-22 05:42

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作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-22 05:49

回復 23# mukmuk2

" The Great Shanghai Expo was a Blasting Success"......
canadian reporter Peter F

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-22 06:06

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作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-22 06:21

回復 25# mukmuk2

Hey, master moron and his ally were supposed to participate in
National mourning for Qinghai yesterday.
Yet they did not post anything on that matter, but
wasting time fighting here

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-22 06:57

and moron, you still think The Vancouver 2010 cauldron is more embarrassing than 20萬人蜂擁失控 actu ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-22 05:45

check the numbers, 200,000 people in Shanghai Vs billions of people in front of the TV. You moron, who is more embarrassing?

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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-4-22 08:29

Peter 仔, 而家力兄都應該知衰而收哂聲啦, 你仲想點? 你唔係expect 佢會公開向你認錯丫麻, o徙氣啦.
而且, ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-4-22 00:38

MJJ，你有病呀？我知衰所以要收聲？係呀，我無錯係知道大陸啲野有幾衰呀！

-力

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2010-4-22 09:41

I think for the Vancouver 2010 Cauldron to fail, it's embarrassing for the organizers=.

For Shanghai Expo trial, it's for both the people and the organizer. It's a cultural embarrassment for the people (rushing the gate since all the reservation is out? wtf?), and an planning failure fo the organizer (crowd control totally lacking).

IMO an open trial means they will expect glitches, but not an out-right failure... There is a difference between a closed alpha vs an open beta... Moreover, denial of the failure just to save face shows that China still have a lot to learn...

I guess, at least this didn't happen on the actual opening day. We will get there... someday...

作者: news 時間: 2010-4-22 09:55

200000 ppl is not a lot peter comparing to probably over millions of visitors a day when its officailly opened..if they cant even work with a 200000 ppl trial run..t.here is a serious problem
and you should try go to shenzhen and guangzhou for one day and you will see how orderly ppl r in china

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-4-22 10:01

MJJ，你有病呀？我知衰所以要收聲？係呀，我無錯係知道大陸啲野有幾衰呀！

-力 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-4-22 08:29

mjj 牆頭草 is like white on rice! 性格好難改! 同阿"爺"要面子一様!

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-22 10:10

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作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-22 10:36

200000 ppl is not a lot peter comparing to probably over millions of visitors a day when its officai ...
news 發表於 2010-4-22 09:55

Do you think master moron would listen to you?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-22 11:16

200000 ppl is not a lot peter comparing to probably over millions of visitors a day when its officai ...
news 發表於 2010-4-22 09:55

hahaha, they said estimated will have 70 million visitors over 6 months of the Expo. How do you get the millions of people per day?
The problem is mainly with the ticketing machine, other than that everything is fine.
This Expo is so well organized, just like the Beijing Olympics.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-22 11:20

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-22 11:25 編輯

I think for the Vancouver 2010 Cauldron to fail, it's embarrassing for the organizers=.

For Shangha ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-4-22 09:41

China has always been good with crowd control, way better than India. China knows it has a large population, so they are good at crowd control at large events, like at the Beijing Olympics.
After reading more about this incident, I think it is a non-issue afterall. The ticketing system was overloaded and some people became disgruntled after waiting for long time.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-22 11:25

China has always been good with crowd control, way better than India. China knows it has a large po ...
peter236 發表於 2010-4-22 11:20

no you are wrong, they actually have no clue to do so.
They just don't let people go out, shut down business and nobody comes out, easy job.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-22 11:31

回復 37# sheep
no air-pollution, no beggars
and no laundry in sight for 6 months,
I think prostitution is exempted

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-4-22 11:33

回復 sheep
no air-pollution, no beggars
and no laundry in sight for 6 months,
I think prostitutio ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-4-22 11:31

yes, they prepare quite a number of condoms for free

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-22 11:34

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作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-4-22 11:40

How come you are the only one thinks China has good crowd control? so the following exempts from ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-22 11:34

because he is master moron

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作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-4-22 12:07

mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-22 11:49

r u making this up!?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-22 12:26

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-4-22 12:28 編輯

r u making this up!?
habitrailspace 發表於 2010-4-22 12:07

From Appledaily, you can expect some China bashing. Appledaily kept on saying there was disorder, but their own video showed people had to queue up orderly.
You can see everyone had to queue up for security checks before they could enter the Expo. Everyone had to queue up for the subway.
Just some people became disgruntled because of long wait times.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-4-22 13:45

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-4-22 15:34

Why the 中國館 is closed so early (0:25)...

Overall, I do impressed with the building;
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-4-22 13:56

you moron, 大排長龍 means people are queueing up.

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