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作者: myversa 時間: 2010-5-11 08:35 標題: what do you think about the "後巷屋"?

溫市首間「後巷屋」面世
19萬改建車房月租1700元

News - http://www.mingpaovan.com/htm/News/20100509/vaa2.htm
Guide - http://www.vancouver-ecodensity. ... les%20Sept%2009.pdf

【明報專訊】溫哥華市第一間「後巷房屋」(LanewayHouse)昨日正式與市民見面，首個「開放日」就吸引市民排長龍參觀，這個從一個「車庫」搖身變成面積710平方呎，一睡房、餐廳、浴室、洗衣間、陽台的兩層小樓，每月租金在1500元至1700元之間，市政府寄望這項計劃能夠為市民提供更多可負擔房屋，解決市內「一屋難租」的問題。這間也是全北美第一間以「後巷房屋」概念建成的出租單位，在溫哥華寸金尺土的現實下，「後巷房屋」被視為「未來城市的住屋模式」。

「『後巷房屋』的建築費用遠比蓋柏文低，大約只有一個同樣大小柏文單位的一半。」這間「後巷房屋」的設計師戴維森(Bryn Davidson)說。
睡房、活動區分上下層

他說，「後巷房屋」優點良多，首先是建造成本相對經濟節約，用已有的車庫作為改建基礎，花費一般在16萬元至22萬元之間；其次是設計理念小巧而舒適，所有家電都採用了嵌入法，睡房與活動區域則是上下分離式，盡量加大縱向的空間，減少橫向面積小的壓力感；其次是私密度高，雖然與所在地的屋主共用管道和電力系統，但卻有專屬的門牌號碼，以及室外停車位。

這間位於溫東麥吉爾街(McGill St.)2703號的「後巷房屋」有一個獨立門牌號。

就記者現場所見，這間房屋的設計是睡房、浴室、洗衣間以及一個小小的書房空間在一樓，二樓則有客廳及廚房，另有一個小露台，下面則被規劃為停車位，裝修費總共花了19萬元。

業主曼多澤(ManuelMendoza)對這個新物業十分滿意，他表示，原本只是一間像車庫的儲藏室，幾乎沒有使用，現在看到車庫被改建得如此漂亮，他很想搬進去居住，但考慮未來每月能收取至少1500元的租金，也只能先忍痛割愛了。戴維森則認為，每月租金應該在1500元至1700元之間。

曼多澤又說，這項計劃一方面令業主更好利用自己的物業進行投資，更不失為未來可負擔性房屋的發展方向，如今房價高漲，相信有更多經濟能力有限的家庭需要這樣的計劃支持。

屋主又說，不像柏文或城市屋，「後巷房屋」沒有業主會，不用交管理費，改建、增加什揦都不用看人臉色，是這類房屋的優點之一。
「後巷房屋」計劃由溫市政府於去年7月正式通過，估計全市約有6萬個獨立屋可參與這項計劃，目前市府只發放了65個建設許可證，該項目未來發展潛力巨大。

作者: bubblesalt 時間: 2010-5-11 10:06

I don't really understand why this is news worthy? Is it a really slow news day? I have seen a LOT of these.. They are call Coach House, and this is NOT the first one lor. I have been to open houses that they have these "apartments" on top of the garage or just a small duplex like house on the back. I have seen them like 10 years ago already. LINE UP to go see it? Vancouver people really have nothing to do?

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2010-5-11 10:19

回復 2# bubblesalt
i saw that at LiveCity Yaletown during olympic time. It's pretty cool.
I guess the old "apartments" on top of the garage wasn't legally built.

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2010-5-11 11:10

回復 bubblesalt
i saw that at LiveCity Yaletown during olympic time. It's pretty cool.
I guess the ...
布小熊發表於 2010-5-11 10:19

yeah, that one in livecity is pretty cool, but if the location changed to a back ally it might not be as cool.......

one thing i still don't understand is Vancouver is not that small and the population is not that big, how does it become 寸金尺土.........the housing price is just ridiculous....

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-5-11 11:16

pic ??

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 11:27

yeah, that one in livecity is pretty cool, but if the location changed to a back ally it might not ...
siumaibb 發表於 2010-5-11 11:10

The housing price is so high because the government has done nothing to help the normal people.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-11 11:35

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作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-11 11:54

like what can they do to help? banned rich people to buy the house?
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-11 11:35

Give tax break to 1st time home buyer,
i.e. HST exempted

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-11 11:59

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 12:08

like what can they do to help? banned rich people to buy the house?
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-11 11:35

They should learn from Hong Kong government which has provided people with social housing. But here the government has reduced the amount of social housing at the Olympics village.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-11 12:56

回復 10# mukmuk2

The problem is:
Where in Vancouver can you find a house for under $600,000???
Social housing program is not feasible in Vancouver, they cost over $700,000
per unit to build, and the cost of prime property at False Creek?
The social housing at Olympics village is not meant for the hard working low income people, they are for the homers that neither pay tax or contribute to the city.
Some homers told me that they have never pay tax in their live,
they move from city to city, just to collect all the welfare available

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-11 14:09

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作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-5-11 14:28

Sigh .. same case in HK .. those HIGH POSITION CHINA people can print cash ... just buy buy buy .... the higher the price, more cash they print .. doesn't matter ..

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-5-11 14:38

有乜投資好過炒樓?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 14:42

回復 mukmuk2

The problem is:
Where in Vancouver can you find a house for under $600,000???
Social ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-11 12:56

yeah, mukmuk does not know about house prices at all. Where can mukmuk find house at 600,000?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 14:44

Sigh .. same case in HK .. those HIGH POSITION CHINA people can print cash ... just buy buy buy . ...
Catpiano 發表於 2010-5-11 14:28

It is the US government that is printing money to cover their big national debt and deficit.

Now, the European union is printing money to cover the debt and deficit of countries like Greece, Spain, Portugal etc.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 14:45

I do not see how that will solve the issue of high pricing of housing in Vancouver. Rich people c ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-11 14:09

hahaha, immigrants come from many countries, not only China. Many of the immigrants from China are professionals with education. They are not rich tycoons who can buy houses with tons of cash.

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-5-11 14:49

yeah, mukmuk does not know about house prices at all. Where can mukmuk find house at 600,000?
peter236 發表於 2010-5-11 14:42

http://www.realestatesrichmond.c ... ouses-for-sale.html

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 14:54

habitrailspace 發表於 2010-5-11 14:49

yeah, not too many choices at all. Buyers will probably bid higher.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-11 15:18

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 15:21

You do not have to live in the city of Vancouver. There are still tons of housing under 600,000 i ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-11 15:18

People are complaining about high prices even further out from Vancouver. They are forced to drive to work because of lousy public transportation. The use of cars is increasing the pollution.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-11 15:21

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 15:24

but still those houses exist. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO KNOWS NOTHING. WHO IS SLAPPING HIS OWN FACE AG ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-11 15:21

hahaha, you moron, do not embarrass yourself with your ignorance here again.

Please stop using your mom's computer and stop trolling here.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-11 15:24

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 15:25

You are just picking bones again. I said "Rich people come from Asia including your beloved China ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-11 15:20

hahaha, if you know that not all immigrants from China are rich, then you should not blame the immigrants from China, like you did in your post.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-11 15:26

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 15:26

YES and who caused it? those rich people from Asia including your beloved China.
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-11 15:22

Rich people come from all over the world, not only Asia or China.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-11 15:27

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 15:28

so answer me one question, houses under 600,000 do exists right?

they soon will cease to exist bec ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-11 15:27

Please do not make excuses for the government.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-11 15:29

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 15:43

you still have not think a way what the government should have done and yet you still accusing the ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-11 15:29

wow, rich people come from all over the world, including Europe. Your fixation on the Asians is pathetic.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-11 16:37

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作者: tofu 時間: 2010-5-11 18:53

"""They should learn from Hong Kong government which has provided people with social housing. But here the government has reduced the amount of social housing at the Olympics village."""

olympic village is not a good idea for social housing, which government will build her social housing in the most valuable property. learn from hk to build a 300sq ft apartment for a family of four?

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-5-11 18:55 標題: RE: what do you think about the "後巷屋"?

回復 9# MAXIMUS

buy a 2nd hand house, no hst

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 20:04

"""They should learn from Hong Kong government which has provided people with social housing. But he ...
tofu 發表於 2010-5-11 18:53

As you know, Hong Kong has high population density and the geographical constraints. Hong Kong government has done a way better job in social housing. Here, the governments charge high taxes , but still they are bankrupt at all levels.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 20:05

haha come on, you never read the news and now your fixation on Europe countries are pathetic. Ask ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-11 16:37

hahaha, you kid moron. Please prove what you claimed is true.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-11 21:02

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 21:08

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-5-11 21:23 編輯

ONE of the reason why the government went bankrup was that those Asian immigrant came here and got ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-11 21:02

You moron, it is the government responsibility to figure solutions. These politicians gets paid by the taxpayers. One option is to learn from Hong Kong, which has no debt.
First, you claimed Chinese came here to buy real estate, then you claimed they all went back, LOL.

If so many people went back to China like you claimed, how come the ethnic Chinese population is increasing here?

If Chinese immigrants are so rich like you claimed, then they have already contributed large amounts of GST, HST to the governments, when they buy stuffs here.

The main reasons for big government debt and deficits include the inept fiscal management by the governments.

No one has ever said social housing will not work here, in general.

The government has reduced social housing at the Olympics village, because they have to cover the big debt from building the Olympic village. They should never have borrowed money to build the Olympics village.
Social housing is inadequate in all regions, including lower priced areas, not just at the Olympics village.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-11 21:30

haha you are truely pathetic and hid in a turtle shell. afraid to admit the truth. You like to ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-11 21:07

hahaha moron, this proves nothing about Vancouver housing prices, except that it tells Chinese people invest all over the world.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-12 05:41

ONE of the reason why the government went bankrup was that those Asian immigrant came here and got ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-11 21:02

I agree with you on this
According to Stat Canada, RICHMOND is considered one of the poorest
city in Canada, because very few people paying income tax.
The immigrants leave their family here, with big houses and fancy cars,
using public medical and education system then declared as non-resident
and DO NOT PAY TAX.
Some Cacausians pity Richmond residents and think they are under poverty line.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-12 07:55

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作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-12 10:23

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-12 10:30 編輯

I  know some rich people , they have no idea
how much the  MSP premium payment is, since they
never have to pay due to low or no employment income
on their tax return.A man from China leases a 4-Acres farmland from gov't  for  $10,000 per annum.
he rents out the farm house for $20,000 a year, grows and sell vegetables to
restaurants for cash. He declares deficit on his tax return and receives gov't
subsidize. Free medical care for his family. And, he owns 3 new rental houses.....
Typical people who abuses the social security net

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-5-12 10:30

本帖最後由 samsung 於 2010-5-12 10:32 編輯

有乜投資好過炒樓?
habitrailspace 發表於 2010-5-11 14:38

many many

just to name a few, growing weeds, selling weapons, buying stocks, running sex business, etc.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-12 10:31

回復 49# samsung

Like growing weeds?

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-5-12 10:34

this is a bad idea, making our environment even worse, I hate to see ppl coming out from other ppl's garage, it's terrible, like refuge

A garage should be used for putting vehicles or misc garbage only, not for ppl to live in

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-12 10:35

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作者: samsung 時間: 2010-5-12 10:37

Yes some immigrants pretend to be "low" income family here without reporting their oversea assets ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-12 10:35

if they are hiding their overseas' income, we can tell CRA and they will be fined, haha....

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-12 10:43

this is a bad idea, making our environment even worse, I hate to see ppl coming out from other ppl's ...
samsung 發表於 2010-5-12 10:34

Not necessary, I saw some really decent and livable coach-house,
will post some pic to prove.
It took almost a year to complete and perfect for young couples.
Well, if you have enough money to invest on a new free-standing house in Vancouver,
it is not for you then

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-12 10:44

if they are hiding their overseas' income, we can tell CRA and they will be fined, haha....
samsung 發表於 2010-5-12 10:37

You want to report your friends?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-12 13:10

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-5-12 13:17 編輯

I  know some rich people , they have no idea
how much the  MSP premium payment is, since they
never  ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-12 10:23

Most farmers here are Indians, not Chinese. Please go out and know more people, not only Chinese.

Many Indians stay in Surrey in big houses. Many rich Hong Konger still stay in Richmond, but Hong Kong has 200,000 Canadian citizens.

Most immigrants from China are professionals with education. They are the working class. They are not rich tycoons with cash to buy big houses and fancy cars.
Rich immigrants come from all over the world. Many rich Europeans, Americans and middle eastern people invest in real estate here, driving up prices.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-12 13:49

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-12 13:53

haha this just cracks me up. You do not know Vancouver is the best place for China black society ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-12 13:49

Like I said, investors come from all over the world, including Asia, Europe, America, middle east, Africa, Australia etc

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-12 14:04

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-12 14:09

posts from vansky:
- ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-12 14:04

Little kid, like I said, investors come from all over the world, including Asia, Europe, America, middle east, Africa, Australia etc
What you posted does not make your point.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-12 14:13

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-12 14:20

please provide evidence then.
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-12 14:14

Evidence? hahaha, we are the best place in the world.
Vancouver is known around the world. The whole world is investing in local real estate.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-12 14:23

haha I quoted from people from China themself and I did not make my point?

you are very pat ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-12 14:13

hahaha, to teach you something, whether we are talking about users, investors or people who fried real estate, they come all over the world.

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-5-12 14:27

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作者: tofu 時間: 2010-5-12 16:57

回復 40# peter236

well as i mentioned before, please compare apple to apple, hk people pay less tax, but they receive close to none benefit. yes, the government has money, the the general residents are still poor. same as china, the government is the most wealthy government but so..... so many people are still in poverty. has canada ever ask donation for building a school?

hk has more social housings, since the gap between the wealth and poor is getting bigger and bigger. is it a good sign? i haven't seen group of post 80's come out and complain unaffortable housing in canada. i haven't known anyone hate these wealthy guys in canada as mush as hk people hate mr. lee.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-5-12 17:29

買樓.....不如買金.....

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-12 20:43

wow. that's good.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-12 20:44

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well as i mentioned before, please compare apple to apple, hk people pay less tax, ...
tofu 發表於 2010-5-12 16:57

China is not the wealthiest government yet. Where do you get that idea from? What measure are you using? China is big and populous, so if you divide the resources among all the people, China is still not rich yet. And remember, China is still a developing country.

Like you said, Hong Kong government has the money, but more importantly, it has no net debt. As you know, Canada has lots of debt at all levels of the government. They need to pay interest to service the big debt instead of using the money on the people. You need to wonder why with the high taxes here already, the government still has lots of debt and deficit. The school boards has deficits and therefore needs to cut the number of school days. Are the social benefits here sustainable in the long term? If not, then Canada is going to be like Greece, Portugal, Spain etc, i.e go bankrupt?

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-5-12 22:43

Evidence? hahaha, we are the best place in the world.
Vancouver is known around the world. The whol ...
peter236 發表於 2010-5-12 14:20

not the whole world ar... Ming Pao said mainly from mainland China and Middle East, the news was just a few days ago

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-5-12 22:44

but they are not the main reason why housing price is so high in Vancouver. Those rich Chinese pe ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-12 14:27

now these guys are mainly for washing money, as somebody said

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-5-12 22:49

Suen ba la...

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-12 23:42

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-5-12 23:55 編輯

not the whole world ar... Ming Pao said mainly from mainland China and Middle East, the news was j ...
samsung 發表於 2010-5-12 22:43

You moron, the high prices are due to demand from immigrants and investors.
So even if there are some people who wash money here. What percentage of the total market is wash money? How many houses are involved? You need to provide evidence otherwise other people can sue you for defamation and slander.
I suspect another reason is local people who grow weeds in big houses. As you know, export of weeds is big business of this province.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-12 23:46

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-5-12 23:47 編輯

but they are not the main reason why housing price is so high in Vancouver. Those rich Chinese pe ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-12 14:27

Please provide the evidence that users and investors are not the main reasons.

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-5-12 23:55

回復 69# peter236

did i mention $/capita, probably not. i said the government has the highest reserve.
well anyway, you always skip my point, that hk or chinese citizens enjoy close to none benefit. the government has the money, but so. their people are not happy.
you remind me this song, "you only see what your eyes want to see, how can life be what you want it to be, you're frozen when your heart's not open"

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-12 23:58

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回復 peter236

did i mention $/capita, probably not. i said the government has the highest reser ...
tofu 發表於 2010-5-12 23:55

Why are you lying? When did you say China has the "highest reserve"? You said China is the "most wealthy", but having the "highest reserve" is not the same as the "most wealthy".

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-5-13 00:03

回復 76# peter236

i said it is a wealthy government, did i say the country is wealthy

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-13 00:04

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回復 peter236

i said it is a wealthy government, did i say the country is wealthy
tofu 發表於 2010-5-13 00:03

You have to make sure what you really mean? Per capita or not? Is China government wealthy or not? You cannot play around with ambiguity and then deny what you said.
The government having the "highest reserve" is not the same as the government is "most wealthy" . China is still a developing country.

Why did you lie about Hong Kong? For Hong Kong, they have free education, subsidized university, health care, social welfare and they will not go bankrupt like Greece, Spain or Canada.
Greece is bankrupt because they have too many people who don't understand the national debt and deficit.

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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-13 11:00

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If hong kong is so good as you claimed, why you choose to stay in Vancouver?
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-13 09:12

I am moving to Hong Kong soon. So many LYK moved there already.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-13 11:02

demand? Do you demand high prices? wow. Your thought is very interesting.

How come you keep on ...
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-5-13 09:10

demand as in "supply and demand". Do you understand the basic theory of "supply and demand"?

作者: ricrick 時間: 2010-5-13 11:15

I am moving to Hong Kong soon. So many LYK moved there already.
peter236 發表於 2010-5-13 11:00

托屁上身？甘快d無鞋挽屐走啦

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