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作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-24 06:38 標題: 馮煒光：公投難言成功請勿擺布市民

馮煒光：公投難言成功請勿擺布市民

今日是佛誕假期，筆者除了祝大家假期快樂之外，也想起了在《金剛經》裏「一切有為法，如夢幻泡影，如露亦如電，應作如是觀」這四句佛偈。大意是︰世界如幻，不要再執？（常想？）它，這是佛教對世界的看法。

或許是一眾藍血大狀深明佛教的真諦，所以對公投前兩天提出預期有100萬人投票，及後卻只有58萬人投票（其中還包括了近2萬張白／廢票），但一眾大狀可能認為100萬人和58／56萬人都是虛幻的，於是仍然宣布對公投結果滿意，並拒絕承認失敗。

屢改成功標準未虛心言敗

倘若用這個邏輯，一眾中產者在進行一生最重的投資——即購買房產付首期時，我們本來需要付100萬才付足首期，但怎樣儲蓄都只有58／56萬元，我們可否要求銀行把58／56萬元當成100萬元等量齊觀，幫我們做樓按呢？我猜銀行一定會把我們摒諸門外，到時未知一眾藍血大狀會否堅持這個邏輯，免費為我們中產者打官司去狀告銀行呢？

對於今次變相公投，筆者有四大疑問︰

（一）2008年大選泛民拿了近90萬票，但今次就算把近2萬張白／廢票也算進去，也只有近58萬票，那30多萬不投票的泛民支持者所表達的信息是甚麼呢？

（二）公投運動剛開始時，公社兩黨說50%投票率才算達標，面對今天只有17.1%投票率，相差達33個百分點，又是歷來最低投票率，這應作何解釋呢？

（三）近2萬張白／廢票，破歷年投票紀錄，為甚麼一眾藍血大狀可以視而不見，拒絕詮釋呢？

（四）到投票站投票行程一般不會超過1公里，而且票站有冷氣，可以說是半小時內肯定可以完成的動作；但2003年「七一遊行」的全程距離超過4公里，而且烈日當空，僅是輪候進入維園也要超過3小時；那為甚麼今次投票可以說成了和2003年以後歷次遊行等量齊觀呢？藍血大狀這樣說是否把曾參與遊行人士所付出的心力騎劫了或污衊了？

無論以公投組織者自己定下的目標或預期數字，以至和歷次選舉結果相比，今次公投運動都能難言成功。套用李慧玲小姐在友報所言，「堅持死要面子而拒絕言敗，這和特區政府又有何分別？」（大意如此）。

爭民主應談判非和中央對立

或許一眾藍血大狀不習慣承認失敗，然而從事公務最重要的是市民的福祉，而不是自己的面子。政治充滿變數，在一個運動還沒有進行時，大家又怎能百分百預知結果？待結果出來了，市民以行動清楚告訴組織者，他們不認同這個做法，那便要冷靜反省，虛心言敗，而不是一再把標準改變或採用視而不見的策略。公道自在人心，市民不是鍋裏的湯丸，不會任由政治人物隨意搓圓壓扁，任意詮釋！

那麼在變相公投失敗後，香港民主運動又應往何處去呢？筆者一向認為採取溫和路線，以談判爭取民主是最佳策略。筆者不認同林行止先生所說的談判路線便等於清末的康有為。

當時滿清確實很爛，和現在中國內地的日漸崛起，並注重國際形象根本不可同日而語。和當權者談判講究的是︰各自如何算政治帳。以現時中國內地的影響力，在香港逐步實行民主化，對中國內地的代言人有利；因此在這個大氛圍下，是最佳時機進行談判，但結果未可逆料。

然而談判是對歷史負責的行為，我們努力過但當權者仍然冥頑不靈，那香港人自會知道如何選擇。說到底，中產者在香港安身立命，我們希望香港民主化，也反對強權，但不是要和共產黨不共戴天；政治人物因為自己討厭／仇視共產黨而硬要把香港人作磨心，這對香港人公平嗎？

刊載於香港經濟日報 2010年5月21日
http://www.facebook.com/notes/xi ... hi-min/406010751136
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看來泛民分裂在所難免~

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-24 10:48

回復 1# soli

哈哈﹐剛剛想到句俗語﹐叫“會吠的狗不咬人”。soli 發表於 2010-5-24 06:57

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-5-24 16:22

"""到投票站投票行程一般不會超過1公里，而且票站有冷氣，可以說是半小時內肯定可以完成的動作"""

had the writer watch the news, they used temporary containers as 投票站 in some areas and they only put ONE small sign for direction. last time, the rich party used to send the voters to vote by buses. in n.t. the 村長 will go door to door to ask people to vote. there are so many reason hk has the lowest voting rate.

"""和現在中國內地的日漸崛起，並注重國際形象根本不可同日而語"""
yes, so they just cover up all the bad things.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-24 18:01

had the writer watch the news, they used temporary containers as 投票站 in some areas and they only put ONE small sign for direction. last time, the rich party used to send the voters to vote by buses. in n.t. the 村長 will go door to door to ask people to vote. there are so many reason hk has the lowest voting rate.
tofu 發表於 2010-5-25 08:22

冇計, 因為民建聯唔參選, 所以d 支持者就唔會出動了. (除左力兄話西九暗助白姐姐果d)
擺到明就想拉低個投票率啦.

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-24 18:24

冇計, 因為民建聯唔參選, 所以d 支持者就唔會出動了. (除左力兄話西九暗助白姐姐果d)
擺到明就想拉低個投 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-24 18:01

重點係，寫呢篇文嘅係民主黨人

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-24 18:44

重點係，寫呢篇文嘅係民主黨人
soli 發表於 2010-5-25 10:24

民主黨擺明唔支持呢次公投啦~
唔知會唔會係泛民一齊諗出黎既一個局? 好多時, 有d 野唔駛一齊行既, 兵分幾路可能有更好既效果.

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-5-24 18:47

藍血大狀?

作者: ricrick 時間: 2010-5-24 22:53

算數啦，中國人是要管的，吾管就亂

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-24 23:28

算數啦，中國人是要管的，吾管就亂
ricrick 發表於 2010-5-25 14:53

其實有時真係唔認命唔得...

你就好啦~ 話哂都逃離左現場啦! 哈哈~

作者: Prelude 時間: 2010-5-25 02:55

If China is very 民主 today, then I don't want to imagine what would happened to our China.
Same goes for Hong Kong.
Which guy thinks a lot of 民主 is actually good for hong kong and China right now? 民主 should not happen next day or even next few years, it takes years or even decades of education and preparation. The healthier way is do it slowly to avoid to be controlled by Big Corps and foreign country, especially when the voting citizens see personal benefits are more important than anything else.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 06:49

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-25 06:57 編輯

回復 10# Prelude

Are you trying to tell us what  Chief Secretary preached:
Chinese are too low quality to accept democracy,
it takes generations to educate citizen before they are "granted democracy"???
How can you tell that the result is not the other way around?
Do you really  think CCP knows more about democracy than all the developed
country?
I know for sure is that:
All the government could make mistake, we may make wrong choice when we
elect a government
But, we have the right to monitor and unseat them should it happened.
And China was among the very first nation in Asia to achieve general election
in 1912 after the 1911 revolution.
China has experienced 61 years of peace, it has more time to "educate and
prepare citizen for democracy"but the CCP never intend to do so.
Why would they want to give away they power and fortune to the commons?
Did the Qing regime gave us the democracy? no, it took a long fight to final
victory. It was an uphill battle and unlikely success.
The HK SAR have repeatly  broke their promise of general election, why?
The fat cats may lose their advantage and attained benefits.
History is  usually just happened, no planned.
Try to make a plan to make yourself a billionaire, with all the latest data,
tell me you timeline to success
Examples in HK,  Look at the  financial  budget
HK always have huge surplus by year-end, did they expect the outcome?
it is always a good surprise .
Why not giving democracy a chance?
Or you want to wait for another 60 years.
The same thing happens in BC
We elected the Liberal Govt last year, and now we have HST
we rally and  plan to recall the government
What would happen if the same situation arises in China?

1. The government will not admit any wrong doing and proceed with their own plan
2. We will be branded as counter-revolutionary, traitors, treasons, conspiracy to overthrow government
3. There would be a mass arresting, martial law,
4. Everyone involved to be punished

Which option would you prefer?  democracy or  ???????

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-25 07:57

讀屎片既喪家犬連吠都吠得難聽D。讀下中國近代史先再出黎獻醜啦~
真係駁你都晒氣。

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-25 08:01

讀屎片既喪家犬連吠都吠得難聽D。讀下中國近代史先再出黎獻醜啦~
真係駁你都晒氣。 ...
soli 發表於 2010-5-25 07:57

真係冇話錯你真係賤
賤過地底泥

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-25 08:04

回復 13# sheep
畜生講野係o甘上下水準﹐所以我唔會怪你呢頭畜生﹐食飽草未呀?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-25 08:13

回復 14# soli

你等我食飽
然後食我屙出泥啲屎？
好呀
你都嗰頭近要食流質
等我屙啲爛屎俾你食

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-25 08:24

回復 sheep
畜生講野係o甘上下水準﹐所以我唔會怪你呢頭畜生﹐食飽草未呀? ...
soli 發表於 2010-5-25 08:04

做咩唔講野？
啲屎好味得滯
唔好急慢慢食
你要食屎
大把人無限量供應俾你

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 08:58

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-25 09:21 編輯

回復 12# soli

Modern Chinese History is much more than what your master teach you, i
when the CCP started in 20's all they wanted was to
establish an experimental "Soviet Region" within Chinese territory, approx
5% of the land.And what Mao wished was to establish a Hunan Repubic, did you learn from your master?
All your knowledge does not exceed the CCP doctrine
Are we really inferior to Cacausian?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-5-25 09:40

做咩唔講野？
啲屎好味得滯
唔好急慢慢食
你要食屎
大把人無限量供應俾你 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-5-25 08:24

watching u guys fighting is fun

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 09:47

Only the CCP would shamelessly proclaim that Chinese are low quality and inferior to other
nationals; and now we have a handful of firm believers in LYK

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-25 14:32

watching u guys fighting is fun
chunsh 發表於 2010-5-25 09:40

want to join?

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-25 14:42

And China was among the very first nation in Asia to achieve general election
in 1912 after the 1911 revolution.

China has experienced 61 years of peace

我相信任何有基礎中國近代史知識既人﹐看到上面呢呢兩段﹐都知道: 同你呢隻乜都唔識既喪家犬講多都晒氣。
不過﹐我奉勸你以後如果要同其他族裔既人發類似謬論﹐唔該先用個紙袋罩主你個狗頭﹐免得人地誤會亞洲人都係o甘無知。

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-25 14:43

回復 21# soli

無知並不是罪﹐ 真正的罪是以無知為榮

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-25 14:46

我相信任何有基礎中國近代史知識既人﹐看到上面呢呢兩段﹐都知道: 同你呢隻乜都唔識既喪家犬講多都晒氣。 ...
soli 發表於 2010-5-25 14:42

屎好食哩
咁快上來歎下午茶？
腸仔屎最啱配下午茶

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-25 14:58

回復 21# soli

乜你咁冇家教架
你老豆無教你咩人家請你食野要講多謝
你點話比人知你係知書識禮嘅中國人呀
唔好影衰哂啲中國人
你出街記得染金你個頭扮西人

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-25 15:32

回復 Prelude

Why not giving democracy a chance?
Or you want to wait for another 60 years. ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-25 06:49

To show us that you truly know about democracy and a true fighter for democracy and you don’t want to wait for another 60 years for good reasons, could you tell us what will you do if you are a policy maker of the nation and you have all the powers to do whatever you want to do?

1) To establish your ideal democracy, what kind of political, legal and government structures do you need to have in order to execute your ideal democracy?

2) To establish this kind of political, legal and government structures, what kind of conditions do you need to have before building them and executing your ideal democracy?

3) How much time do you need to establish each part of these structures or get the pre-conditions ready before you can execute your ideal democracy?

I will be very eager to have an opportunity to listen to your speech on this topic and show us you know what you are talking about.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-25 16:12

To show us that you truly know about democracy and a true fighter for democracy and you don’t wan ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-25 15:32

哈你老友地底泥鐘意食屎
叫埋你一齊來食呀？
好等我招呼埋你

好明顯你都係受盡折磨嘅孝順仔
聽教聽話又唔敢埋怨
等我今餐食啲大麻草
屙啲有麻醉成分嘅屎俾你食
等你可以麻醉自己俾自己有一丁點人生樂趣

唔洗多謝我
唔洗多謝我咯

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 16:26

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-25 16:29 編輯

回復 21# soli

Just to prove that you know nothing about Chinese history other
than the twisted one for CCP, idiotA democratic Republic of China still exist in Taiwan,
the PLA tried hard to conquer but failed.
Logically, the democratic China still survive. Are you blind or not

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 16:30

I try not to reason with dogs

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-25 16:32

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2010-5-25 16:33 編輯

I try not to reason with dogs
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-25 16:30

yes, dogs are loyal to their master.

Sit and eat sheep's sh_t

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 16:34

Bargaining with tigers for their skin,
of course they will not give unconditionally.
The Yankee fought with Brits
The KMT fought Qing Empire,
the Chinese resistance fought the Japs, Monguls
it is all in the history

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 16:37

回復 29# sheep

That's what the SAR gov't does

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-25 16:49

回復 soli

Just to prove that you know nothing about Chinese history other
than the twisted o ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-25 16:26

我由你繼續講﹐反正係你自己出醜。
無料到就唔該讀下書﹐唔識就咪扮識。

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 16:50

Do I know about politics? silly question.
I studied 2 years Political Science at UBC.
And I got my first year university tuition paid from Canadian History Foundation Scholarship, attained Top Score in the subject when I graduated High school

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-25 16:52

本帖最後由 soli 於 2010-5-25 16:57 編輯

Canadian History Foundation
仲要係highschool 既
hahaha
讀左兩年political science 就話識政治~
你講出黎唔覺面紅既咩? LOL

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 17:04

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-25 17:08 編輯

At least I know more about Chinese history than you.
1 year tuition is not a lot in term of money ($5,500) but
being the top student in the Province is.
At least I can tell black from white, not gray
So how much your master pay you then???I switched to Business but doesn't mean I know less about politics.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-25 17:14

Do I know about politics? silly question.
I studied 2 years Political Science at UBC.
And I got my ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-25 16:50

Please prove what you said, and stop bragging here when you know nothing about Chinese history and politics.

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-25 17:15

At least I know more about Chinese history than you.

小朋友﹐有無聽過中印自衛反擊戰? 中越之戰? 抗美援朝聽過吧﹐ 何來61年和平?
1912年有普選﹐你係咪食懵左呀? 只得1% 既人可以投票叫普選? 你o甘叫識歷史?

小朋友你仲讀緊書﹐呢個forum 既人﹐十之八九學歷都仲係比你高(除左羊生啦)。
大家都知道高中課程係咩回事﹐你囉黎吹噓咪即係自暴其短?

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 17:55

回復 37# soli

I know about all those above mentioned history,
plus the Sino-Soviet conflict in 1970 which the Russian
returned 1/2 island last year.
And also I know the great defeat of PLA in Dec 1949 when
they tried to  cross the strait.
I graduated UBC with honour 6 years ago.
BTW, Mao, Zhou, Deng, Jiang never graduated with political science.
Did you?
An average LYK makes more sense than you, that's all I can say.
You post for only 2 agendas:
1. Bashing  the country you are living in
2. Stick up for China should there any adverse news arise,
what else other than  a loud speaker for CCP?
If it is so rosy in China, you don't have to stuck here and whine

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-25 18:07

真係估唔到呢條thread 會變成講共產黨既歷史...

小弟對中國近代史可以講話係一無所知, 睇大家既posts 學左d 野, 謝謝~

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-25 18:15

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-25 18:18 編輯

Do I know about politics? silly question.
I studied 2 years Political Science at UBC.
And I got my ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-25 16:50

If you had truly studied political science for 2 years at UBC, then I believe you have the basic understanding of the political concepts. Then, you should understand and agree with me that all the questions I asked in post #25 are legitimate and must be answered before any form of democracy can be established and executed.

Instead of taking the advantage of the opportunity to stand up for what you believe in and show us what democracy is, you chose to be a coward and ran away from the challenges.

I don’t think you have any ground to proclaim you are a true fighter for democracy when you don’t know what democracy is and don’t have the gut to stand up for it. Don’t accuse other people blindly worship CCP. You are blindly worshiping yourself.

Don’t continue to use your honour degree as a supporting point to support what you said. It is very stupid. What if I told you I hold a PhD in political science and history, will you automatically accept what I said is true and unquestionable? I believe you won’t. So, don’t be silly.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-25 18:18

呢個forum 既人﹐十之八九學歷都仲係比你高(除左羊生啦)。
soli 發表於 2010-5-25 17:15

就憑你食我啲屎
就知我個肚淨係得草
你都算係食屎（唔係歷史）專家

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 18:23

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-25 18:26 編輯

They keep repeating that democracy takes long long time of civic education and preparation.
Yet the CCP has not start anything in China after 61 years in power.
Yeah, why would they want to share their power and fortune with any common people.
They did not expect their regime would last that long.
My conclusion is, we cannot just sit still any hope one day we wake up and
the CCP is willing to turn over their empire.
Do not ask me a time-line when it is going to happen, it would never happen
if we do not try hard.
Don't forget, it took only 4 years after Japs surrender that CCP took over the
regime from Chiang, do you think they would succeed by begging Chiang to
share the power?
And now, the election 2017 is still pie in the sky.Please correct me if anything I said is not true, I could be young, but definitely not simple and naive

作者: daimo 時間: 2010-5-25 18:27

just a kind reminder, can you refrain from using the word "japs"? You should know the reason why.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-25 18:35

D狗走哂去邊？

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 18:40

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-25 18:42 編輯

回復 43# daimo

I referred the Imperialist Army Japs because they showed no respect
to humanity; in fact, they killed ten of thousands of their own
people at battle of Okinara Islands.
For the average Japanese, I respect them, actually I know many 3rd.
generation Japanese Canadians, they hate the Japanese government
that caused their family sent to concentration camp in Canada and US.
Is your girl friend Japanese?

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-25 18:44

回復 38# MAXIMUS
原來唔係小朋友﹐o甘就叫返你做喪家犬吧~

喪家犬你而加馬後炮有用咩?
那你說中國61年和平即係如同放屁

我發咩貼未輪到你呢個新丁過問﹐而你所講既亦非事實。

而家響加拿大向自己原居地不斷發炮﹐坐響度得把口﹐又唔敢返去既係閣下。

突然覺得﹐somewhereintime有接班人~

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-25 18:45

回復 39# mcjohnjohn
係中國近代史﹐幾時有提過共產黨?

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-25 18:47

回復 42# MAXIMUS

Do not ask me a time-line when it is going to happen, it would never happen
if we do not try hard.

請問喪家犬閣下你如何try hard?
try hard to bark?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-25 18:56

回復 mcjohnjohn
係中國近代史﹐幾時有提過共產黨?
soli 發表於 2010-5-26 10:45

唔係呀化... 中國近代史如果冇共產黨既話, 仲邊算係"近代"史.
唔通近代係要over 60yrs?
我真係對歷史一竅不通的, 請各位多多包涵.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-25 18:57

回復 MAXIMUS

請問喪家犬閣下你如何try hard?
try hard to bark?
soli 發表於 2010-5-26 10:47

try your breast...

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 19:00

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-25 19:07 編輯

Barking is your strength, not mine.I'm pro-democracy, that is why I stay in Canada despite good
career opportunity in HK, or making fortune in China.
Some of my uncles are bank exec in HK and they promise me long term jobs.
Just wondering why people keep praising china and complaining about Canada
all the time but decide to stuck here.
I think moving garbage in Canada get higher pay than some job in HK or China

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-25 19:28

I think moving garbage in Canada get higher pay than some job in HK or China
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-26 11:00

你呢句說話, 就好似d 父母同子女講: "(指住個乞丐)你要努力讀書, 如果唔係, 第日就會好似佢咁樣."

作者: soli 時間: 2010-5-25 19:31

你呢句說話, 就好似d 父母同子女講: "(指住個乞丐)你要努力讀書, 如果唔係, 第日就會好似佢咁樣." ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-25 19:28

現後個乞丐話: 我都大學畢業架~

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-25 20:04

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-5-25 20:09 編輯

They keep repeating that democracy takes long long time of civic education and preparation.
Yet the ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-25 18:23

Why do you have no gut to face me and answer my challenges?

We give you a chance to tell us why there is no need to wait for decades for the democracy in China to be established and what the supporting points are for you to say that.

You just demand for democracy without talking about the establishment of democracy. Democracy cannot be established based on nothing. Without talking about the establishment of the foundations for the building of democracy, you just totally BS.

Let’s try again. We don’t ask you about the timeline, can you tell us what kinds of foundations are necessary to establish a reasonable and acceptable form of democracy?

I hope you won’t be a looser again and run away from my challenges.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-25 20:53

現後個乞丐話: 我都大學畢業架~
soli 發表於 2010-5-25 19:31

你講啱一半
我個朋友住嗰個擎天乜島
個看更就如假包換嘅大學生喇

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-25 21:04

回復 51# MAXIMUS

大學畢業收八千

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 21:26

回復 56# sheep

I found out the person who change diapers for seniors at carehome
was a professor from Shanghai.
He is quite content with his job thou.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 21:30

本帖最後由 MAXIMUS 於 2010-5-25 21:39 編輯

回復 MAXIMUS

大學畢業收八千
sheep 發表於 2010-5-25 21:04

I think the garbage collectors make $28 CAD per hour with full benefit,
over 60K per annum, better than bank manager.
I was offered bank exec jobs if I want to go back to HK but I declined,
it is not I could not find a decent job there, many of my cousins live in HK
and Macau and they are quite rich.
I worked 6 months in HK after grad and decided to come back to Canada, it is not for me.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-25 21:41

回復 sheep

I found out the person who change diapers for seniors at carehome
was a prof ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-26 13:26

好多所謂專業人士移民黎到加拿大既初期係洗大餅, 你估佢地想咩.
唔少人都頂唔順, 要番香港工作, 留低老婆仔女o係加拿大啦.

作者: MAXIMUS 時間: 2010-5-25 22:00

回復 59# mcjohnjohn

Anyone plan to emigrate to other country should do in-depth research and
ask themselves: is it really what I want for myself and my family? and look
at it as road of no return.
Do not expect to get the same professional recognition.
I know some Medical specialists from China, expecting to do medical
practise in Canada, just to find out it is almost impossible.
Accupunturists make good money though

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-25 22:04

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-5-25 22:05 編輯

I think the garbage collectors make $28 CAD per hour with full benefit,
over 60K per annum, bette ...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-25 21:30

Hong Kong is a big city, only suitable for talented people.
Most people went back to HK already.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-25 22:46

Anyone plan to emigrate to other country should do in-depth research and
ask themselves: is it really what I want for myself and my family? and look
at it as road of no return.
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-26 14:00

移民, 係為左將來既生活.
好人好姐, 仲乜要離鄉別井丫? 一時感獨, 突然想起 : "愛自由, 為自由, 你我齊奮鬥進取, 手牽手!"

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-25 22:47

Hong Kong is a big city, only suitable for talented people.
Most people went back to HK already. ...
peter236 發表於 2010-5-26 14:04

no no~~~
一日香港有我, 一日我賴死唔走, 一日都唔可以話香港 only suitable for talented people. 哈哈~~~~

作者: playingtoy 時間: 2010-5-26 15:43

現後個乞丐話: 我都大學畢業架~
soli 發表於 2010-5-25 19:31

spare change~

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-26 18:16

Some of my uncles are bank exec in HK and they promise me long term jobs.

I was offered bank exec jobs if I want to go back to HK but I declined,
...
MAXIMUS 發表於 2010-5-25 21:30

Could you tell us which bank in Hong Kong you are talking about? Offering you a long term job and an executive position for a newly grad because your uncles are working in a bank? One of our family friends happens to be an executive and board member of one of the three major banks in Hong Kong. I don’t think he can promise me an executive position or even a long term job in his bank. Unless you are talking about 香港地下錢莊 run by your uncles.

By the way, I would suggest you not to mention your UBC honour degree again. I don’t think you had even graduated from high school.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-26 18:23

One of our family friends happens to be an executive and board member of one of the three major banks in Hong Kong. I don’t think he can promise me an executive position or even a long term job in his bankrockypath 發表於 2010-5-26 18:16

耍你咋裙腳仔

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-5-26 18:26

耍你咋裙腳仔
sheep 發表於 2010-5-26 18:23

Unfortunately, he is fooling you. Are you stupid enough and not able to recognize who he is?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-26 18:29

回復 67# rockypath

傻仔

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-26 18:38

Unfortunately, he is fooling you. Are you stupid enough and not able to recognize who he is?
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-27 10:26

你好似知道d 內幕消息咁... who is he?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-26 18:54

你好似知道d 內幕消息咁... who is he?
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-5-26 18:38

你聽佢講野？
佢傻嘅
淨係識叫人答佢嘅問題
又唔知自己啲問題蠢

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-26 19:11

Unfortunately, he is fooling you. Are you stupid enough and not able to recognize who he is?
rockypath 發表於 2010-5-26 18:26

We all know who he is. He thinks he can fool us here, LOL.
The guy just keeps on bragging like before.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-26 19:13

你聽佢講野？
佢傻嘅
淨係識叫人答佢嘅問題
又唔知自己啲問題蠢
sheep 發表於 2010-5-27 10:54

我份人就係咁, 狗屎垃圾都聽左入耳先, 接收哂之後再進行分析.
冇計, 我腦容量太大.

(其實只係頭大)

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