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作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-26 21:22 標題: 本田內地4廠房工業行動停產

http://www.singtao.com/breakingnews/20100527e105452.asp

日本本田車廠在內地四間生產零件的廠房，因為工人不滿薪酬待遇罷工，被逼要全面停產。

《日經新聞》報道，本田內地廠房的工人星期一與管理層談判破裂，其後在佛山、增城、黃埔及武漢的廠房陸續有工人停工，四間廠房目前已經停產，暫時未知何時可以恢復生產。

工人以物價上漲，導致生活緊張為理由，要求調整工資及福利，把平均月薪由1500元人民幣，增加至2000至2500元人民幣。不過，資方只是答應增加補貼55元人民幣，但拒絕對薪酬作出調整。

地方官員及工會已經介入，協調勞資雙方的分歧。

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-26 21:23

The greedy Japanese need to comply with the new minimum wages regulations in China. They need to realize that China's surging economy means they need to pay a lot more wages.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-26 21:26

有姿勢冇實際

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-26 21:31

喂傻仔
響呢度游吓游吓
托咩
入來等我玩吓你

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-5-26 21:34

由1500元人民幣，增加至2000至2500元???

Want 40-70% increased??  Of course greedy la...

Chi seen, 物價上漲 is more crazy here too la..  but our income, not just NO RISE, but DROP!!

How come Peter post Anti Chinese post this time???

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-5-26 21:51

喂傻仔
響呢度游吓游吓
托咩
入來等我玩吓你
sheep 發表於 2010-5-27 13:31

你仲乜偷窺人地裸泳?

作者: news 時間: 2010-5-27 13:53

回復 2# peter236

what is the minimum wage regulation? would you mind to elaborate?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-27 14:01

回復 peter236

what is the minimum wage regulation? would you mind to elaborate?
news 發表於 2010-5-27 13:53

Please refer to this article:

http://www.pacificbridge.com/asianews.asp?id=448

作者: news 時間: 2010-5-27 14:07

本帖最後由 news 於 2010-5-27 14:08 編輯

Please refer to this article:
peter236 發表於 2010-5-27 14:01

LOL did you actually read the article?
im not trying to bash you..but i just found it hilarious that you are posting an article that is contrary to what you posted above

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-27 14:09

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-5-27 14:11 編輯

LOL did you actually read the article?
im not trying to bash you..but i just found it hilario ...
news 發表於 2010-5-27 14:07

I am not always right, but I don't see anything wrong with it. I didn't write these articles anyway.

Another article:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE62F07R20100316

作者: news 時間: 2010-5-27 14:24

The greedy Japanese need to comply with the new minimum wages regulations in China.
peter236 發表於 2010-5-26 21:23

From your article:

close to that in China’s minimum wage leader, Shenzhen (1000 RMB per month).

and your original post:

工人以物價上漲，導致生活緊張為理由，要求調整工資及福利，把平均月薪由1500元人民幣

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-27 15:04

These days paying minimum wage is not enough. If you are the boss, you need to pay way more than minimum wage to attract the best skilled workers.

Again, these greedy Japanese need to comply with the new minimum wages regulations in China.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-27 15:15

回復 12# peter236

but it is the non-skill workers asking for the salary of skill workers

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-27 15:33

回復 peter236

but it is the non-skill workers asking for the salary of skill workers
sheep 發表於 2010-5-27 15:15

These are skilled workers making high precision parts for cars. They are not making basic toys or clothings.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-27 15:35

回復 14# peter236

automation?

作者: news 時間: 2010-5-28 09:29

These days paying minimum wage is not enough. If you are the boss, you need to pay way more than min ...
peter236 發表於 2010-5-27 15:04

you moron...they are complying the whatever minimum wage you are referring to....so let's see who is greedy in this case..get you ass out of head

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-28 11:28

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-5-28 11:31 編輯

you moron...they are complying the whatever minimum wage you are referring to....so let's see ...
news 發表於 2010-5-28 09:29

You stupid imbecile. Go fk yourself. I did some more research about this issue. The minimum wage is not enough to attract the best skilled workers.
Even here if you you pay the minimum wage, no fools will work for you.
These Japanese pay above the minimum wage in Japan. These greedy Japanese should also pay above the minimum wage in China.

But probably no people is more greedy than the Vancouver garbage collectors who went on strike for 2 months, asking for way too high wages.

作者: jh66 時間: 2010-5-28 17:23

2000至2500元人民幣要求不算高.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-28 17:48

2000至2500元人民幣要求不算高.
jh66 發表於 2010-5-28 17:23

係呀
俾唔俾到先至係問題

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-5-29 00:37

有幾個問題值得思巧。
稱中國為「世界工廠」全因在中國設廠成本平宜。當時人工一千塊以下人人還樂此不疲的幹，全因一千塊在那時還叫不俗。有賴這種低廉的成本，外資不斷的湧入，做就今日經濟成績，但同時帶來通漲。國民要求薪金能追上通漲，無可口非，但在商言商，外資在中國設廠成本不再低是自會另尋更低廉的地方。中國正處於經濟轉形的關口中，若再以世界工廠自居夸夸其談而不去考量自身轉形的本錢，中國只會走向死胡同。

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-29 01:50

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-5-29 01:54 編輯

有幾個問題值得思巧。
稱中國為「世界工廠」全因在中國設廠成本平宜。當時人工一千塊以下人人還樂此不疲的 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-29 00:37

What a ton of nonsense? China never really called itself 世界工廠. It is the foreign media that called China 世界工廠.
Chinese products are now moving up the value chain. The government and the Chinese companies already knew moving up the value chain is the direction they are taking now.

In this case, will Honda leave China? Probably not, since China is the world largest car market. Where else can they go? India, where there is no stable electricity supply and lousy infrastructure? The Chinese car makers are already taking market share from foreign car makers.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-5-29 05:04

you don't understand....
生產工序搬去邊都可以，當成本唔夠人地平既時候外資就會撤走。
中國人依然要死死死氣買外國牌子，因為國產牌子信譽早已經掃地，內須推唔起，地方政府欠債呆壞賬天文數字，中央真係會幾頭痕。

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-5-29 07:23

you don't understand....
生產工序搬去邊都可以，當成本唔夠人地平既時候外資就會撤走。
中國人依然要死死 ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-29 05:04

U know what, it is funny, all the friends/people we know in China, they don't buy CHINA Brand .... but most my Honger friends (including me) love to shop in CHINA!

So .. every holiday, people from CHINA go HK to buy stuffs, HK people go CHINA to spend money .. lol

Even pricing in China now, is as good, or even lower then HK, for example, China people love SONY, and price for SONY stuff in CHINA is good .. but still, few of my friends, like to make a trip to HK, and buy there .. I asked "why"? they said they are afraid to buy "FAKE" or "problem" product ...

Of course, just few example ..

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-29 07:39

Of course, just few example
Catpiano 發表於 2010-5-29 07:23

But it reflect the big picture.
信譽唔係一朝一夕嘅亦都唔係自己話自己有

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2010-5-29 08:06

共产党一定会帮D资方“做好工人的工作”如果唔系共产党D官员点样在资方个头得益啊，你班工人手上又没钱，又没选票，凭麽野共产党官员帮你先得噶，在共产党面前没有正义可言，只要利益和金钱

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-29 08:15

凭麽野共产党官员帮你先得噶
kingkong123 發表於 2010-5-29 08:06

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重有安家費
你唔好逼我埋牆
呀唔係
你唔好逼我埋欄河
我跳落去㗎

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-5-29 08:41

Suen ba la..

All the CROW are same BLACK ..

BIG TREE with dead branch ar ma ..

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-5-29 10:48

稱中國為「世界工廠」全因在中國設廠成本平宜。當時人工一千塊以下人人還樂此不疲的幹，全因一千塊在那時還叫不俗。有賴這種低廉的成本，外資不斷的湧入，做就今日經濟成績，但同時帶來通漲。國民要求薪金能追上通漲，無可口非，但在商言商，外資在中國設廠成本不再低是自會另尋更低廉的地方。中國正處於經濟轉形的關口中，若再以世界工廠自居夸夸其談而不去考量自身轉形的本錢，中國只會走向死胡同。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-5-29 00:37

For the time being and in the near future, China is still quite safe from foreign competition in terms of manufacturing. While it is true that salaries are rising, Chinese manufacturing continues to enjoy two things that are unique (for the moment) compared to other nearby countries:

1) Chinese workers are smart and highly skilled. New workers learn quickly, and the labour force is good at performing complicated assembling where worker skill level is important (electronics, detailed crafts, etc.). Nearby countries such as Vietnam, India, and Pakistan have yet to catch up to the same skill levels as China. But naturally, as time goes on, other countries will catch up to the same skill levels.

2) Chinese workers are extremely hard working. I strongly believe this is a cultural thing, and it may be more difficult for other countries to match China in this aspect. But the flip side of the coin is, the hard working attitudes of Chinese workers are destroying their own work-life balance, as evident by the Foxconn suicides. Hard working is certainly a good trait, but at the levels that Chinese factories force their workers to work at, they are often inhumane.

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-29 19:12

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-5-29 19:21 編輯

回復 22# MoiRhapsody
You need to grasp with the new situation in China. The Chinese economy is more dependent on local consumption than on export. Therefore, rising local wages is becoming less of a factor. For example, China is the largest car market and largest cellphone market in the world. There are other service industries like finance, insurance, eduation etc that are expanding rapidly. The service industry was underestimated and is still underestimated in China, due to their outdated way of counting certain service industries. Their GDP were revised markedly upwards because of adoption of better accounting techniques.

As time goes on, the quality of Chinese brands will become better. Therefore, even if local wages become more expensive, China can still export their high quality products. Investment by foreign manufacturers will become less of a factor since local Chinese manufacturers will increasingly dominate the economy.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-5-29 20:07

回復 The Chinese economy is more dependent on local consumption than on export
peter236 發表於 2010-5-29 19:12

The reason is during the economic crisis, China's export shrinks. In order to maintain a 8% economic growth, they have to stimulate the internal economic to achieve their target.

作者: tofu 時間: 2010-5-29 20:51

本帖最後由 tofu 於 2010-5-29 20:52 編輯

..............

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-29 23:07

The reason is during the economic crisis, China's export shrinks. In order to maintain a 8% econo ...
sheep 發表於 2010-5-29 20:07

Every country needed to stimulate their local economy during the economic crisis.

作者: news 時間: 2010-5-31 09:12

回復 MoiRhapsody
China can still export their high quality productspeter236 發表於 2010-5-29 19:12

you mean the products that produce for the local or foreign companies?

oh wait..right..you think china is the best and the highest class on everything

how is the chinese hotdog coming along? we still have yet tried your famous chinese hotdogs

作者: news 時間: 2010-5-31 09:16

You stupid imbecile. Go fk yourself. I did some more research about this issue. The minimum wage i ...
peter236 發表於 2010-5-28 11:28

LOL..yeah they may not pay enough to attract the best workers

HOWEVER, your point initially is they are greedy because they are not even paying the minimum wages...BUT THEY ARE PAYING ABOVE THE SO CALLED MINIMUM WAGES and you validate it with your OWN POSTED ARTICLES

Everyone is greedy...if you are running Honda, will you pay the chinese workers 2500..when you can hire a bunch more for 1500...NO

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-31 13:08

you mean the products that produce for the local or foreign companies?

oh wait..right..you think ...
news 發表於 2010-5-31 09:12

I didn't say China is highest class in everything. I am just saying they are now improving rapidly overtime.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-5-31 13:11

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-5-31 13:13 編輯

LOL..yeah they may not pay enough to attract the best workers

HOWEVER, your point initially is th ...
news 發表於 2010-5-31 09:16

Based on more new information, we are making necessary modification on the original view point.
Honda, if they are as good as they claim, of course will pay more than the minimum wage. They paid more than minimum wage in Japan and North America, so they should do the same in China.

Probably, no persons are more greedy than the Vancouver garbage collectors who went on strike for 2 months, asking for way too high wages.

作者: news 時間: 2010-5-31 13:52

回復 36# peter236

yes no kidding..oh well...the union is the main culprit behind is anyways for the city workers

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-5-31 14:59

日資本田汽車於廣東佛山南海的零部件製造公司（下稱：南海本田），罷工事件再起波瀾。昨日南海獅山鎮政府、獅山鎮總工會等派人到廠區與工人談判，疑因總工會人員全程拍攝，引起工人不滿並要求刪除，雙方口角。有傳總工會人員率先動粗，揮拳打傷七、八名工人，其中至少兩人血流披面。部分原定復工的工人聞訊氣憤，決定持續罷工。南海區有關人士隨後承認有員工發生推撞，但否認有人受傷。

防暴警察廠外戒備

據財新網報道，獅山鎮總工會、獅山鎮政府、部分跟本田合作的技校老師，以及南海本田的日籍總經理，昨天上午與自上月十七日起罷工的員工談判。會議主要內容是解釋加薪流程，總經理還在會上承諾，事後不會追究任何罷工者責任，也不開除任何人。

據工人反映，會後各人回到車間，由副科長逐一點名詢問是否願意開工，而各車間均有總工會的人在場。其中，變速器組裝科的工人返回車間後，因不滿總工會人員拍攝，於是要求對方將影像刪除，雙方爆發衝突。總工會人員期間用拳打傷七、八名員工，其中有兩人被打至血流披面。

報道指出，總工會人員打傷工人後，立即轉身返回工會的旅遊巴，大批工人緊追要求交代，場面混亂。

據了解，鑄物科原定下午復工，但聽說有同事被打傷後，再次停工。當局事後也大為緊張，派出約四十名警員在本田公司正門戒備，並在廠區外約一千米拉起封鎖線。此外，還派七、八輛警車在附近戒備，每輛都載有多名防暴警察。

官方新華社也證實，部分拒絕復工的工人與數十名掛有「工會工作證」的人員衝突。但南海區當局強調沒人受傷，又指部分工序已恢復生產，大部分員工已復工。據指出，南海本田同意將正式員工最低月薪的一千五百四十四元，額外增加三百六十六元，但與員工要求的八百元仍有段距離。

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