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作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-8 17:57 標題: 學海無崖的故事 - 你認為你的學歷足夠嗎?

大C姐一向深入群眾﹐道出好多繪拓人口嘅故事。今次都係有感而發﹐除左係自己身上發生過or發生緊之外﹐好多朋友親戚每次見面都好多時會講嘅一個topic。

話說好多朋友眼中嘅大C姐都係幾有交際手婉﹐百足咁多爪嘅一個人。所以好多人要揾律司醫生或者其他行業嘅專業人士都會問吓我有無介紹﹐包括揾工。當然前年海嘯剛剛殺到好多人都人心惶惶﹐呢類電話特別多啦。但係到今時今日﹐其實隔個禮拜都會有人搭上搭問我有無contact請人。故之然過去好幾年我都好貼近個job market。就幾個月前﹐有朋友想轉工﹐就嚟"求救"。話說出面而家好多工個requirement都set到好高。有理無理都要求幾個degree, certificate。好多時你一望個job description﹐其實同個minimum requirement完全無關。果個朋友send左一個job posting為例﹐請一個Sr. Business Analyst(呢D pose真係任佢up)﹐要交以下學歷﹕

- 4 year undergraduate degree (business-related discipline)
- CA or equivalent accounting designation
- CFA (recent charterholder or near completion)
- MBA (in accounting/ finance preferred)

我先先以為係要求以上其中一樣又或者呢個係個別例子﹐但係事實上越嚟越多工都拉到個水平好高。當然﹐除左學歷上有要求之外﹐經驗同樣苛刻啦。呢度唔試舉例及說明之。但係好老實講﹐個manager甚至CEO都無呢D qualifications啦。我好想知如果有個candidate真係有齊晒所有工作要求﹐間工司會派個咩人去interview囉。

其實呢個topic唔係局限於某一個職業架。好多年之前已經好多身邊同學呻緊讀science條路好長。讀完大學無人請﹐要讀埋master﹐讀完都未必有好多工作機會﹐要有phD先叫做坐得正。當然﹐好多C奶/阿叔會覺得"讀多幾年書點都好D啦﹐最好讀到博士﹗"讀唔讀到係一件事﹐鍾唔鍾意做果一行又係另一回事。我聽得太多故事係讀左4年大學chemistry﹐讀完又高不成低不就﹐局住讀多個master。但係讀完先知其實自己對lab嘅工作唔係太大興趣。而且個行頭又細﹐想學其他嘢又唔知由邊度開始。而且讀完個master﹐經際上又唔係真係好揾到錢。但係眼見個多中學畢業舊同學去做地產經紀都賺到一百幾十萬一年﹐又唔憤氣。最後為左有進升機會都係要讀多幾年phD。17歲揀大學take科做就到30歲都依然係讀/做緊一D完全無興趣嘅嘢。呢D真係典型三毫子一担嘅case。

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如果大家都遇過一D好野蠻嘅工作要求﹐又或者有以上類似經驗都可以post上嚟分享吓。

ps*祝學業進步

-- 智慧女神雅典娜

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-8 18:18

上面講果個posting annual salary 係幾多?

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-8 18:22

我自己都有U degree 同Master degree, 對於搵第一份工o黎講,可能多d 機會interview, 但係入o左行之後都係靠自己,不停進修果一行o既課程...依家搵工好容易,因為基本上我o地果行好少人做,同埋有designation o既人好少,所以post o左自己個resume 上去個會o既website已經有好多人主動搵我.

依家太多Degree holders,所以有時間,財政又許可o既話都可以讀o下master,
不過搵工方面,考取professional designation 好過讀PHD...

作者: bbqfish 時間: 2010-6-8 18:29

考取professional designation 好過讀PHD
auyatyat 發表於 2010-6-8 18:22

can't agree more. glad that i realized research lab is not really for me and it doesn't lead to a bright future when i was in co-op.

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-8 20:14

上面講果個posting annual salary 係幾多?
auyatyat 發表於 2010-6-8 18:18

無寫明。但係我無記錯的話果個pose係non-managerial﹐我估唔會過CAD$80K。

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-8 20:17

我自己都有U degree 同Master degree, 對於搵第一份工o黎講,可能多d 機會interview, 但係入o左行之後都係靠 ...
auyatyat 發表於 2010-6-8 18:22

好多人讀master都係覺得無工開都起碼可以去教書。

同埋最慘係master困死你兩年﹐學費又唔平。唔通廾幾三十去問老豆老母囉生活費咩? 如果家境好D﹐無經濟壓力﹐就讀唔讀都無所謂啦。

作者: matt72178 時間: 2010-6-8 20:23

0係社會大學都浸淫左幾年, 我諗學歷係足夠的~

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-6-8 20:32

同埋最慘係master困死你兩年﹐學費又唔平。唔通廾幾三十去問老豆老母囉生活費咩? 如果家境好D﹐無經濟壓力﹐就讀唔讀都無所謂啦。

well i know some people stuck around because tuition is free and you get to make some extra income from TA jobs

作者: yayaya 時間: 2010-6-8 20:49

本帖最後由 yayaya 於 2010-6-8 20:51 編輯

我一个朋友26岁现在在u of t 读master，学费免，但是她其他方面依然花着家里的钱，我觉得这样的master读不读都罢了，不敢面对社会不想找工作，读完一个还想考第二个，想再去waterloo 读第二个master因为学校可以直接帮他们找工作和实习，她现在怕如果现在毕业找不到月入6k的工作，觉得连个卖狗的都比不上没面子

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-8 21:07

well i know some people stuck around because tuition is free and you get to make some extra income ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-6-8 20:32

讀某D科都仲好﹐有得做lab work/TA幫補﹐但係唔係所有master都有得俾你免費仲有"人工"。打你唔洗俾學費﹐兩年生活費都唔少﹐淨係做PT我諗未必support到自己+書簿費。

都係果句﹐你真心想讀同鍾意的話﹐你唔食都覺得值。但係眼見一個二個去讀master都係半推半就囉。

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-8 21:10

我一个朋友26岁现在在u of t 读master，学费免，但是她其他方面依然花着家里的钱，我觉得这样的master读不 ...
yayaya 發表於 2010-6-8 20:49

有好多父母都覺得如果供唔到仔女讀書就好似害左D仔女。所以仔女話要讀咩都會盡量用埋棺材本都供養下去。當然好多case﹐D仔女又真係讀到。又唔係呃老豆老母D錢去fing。

呢個係中國父母同外國父母最大分別囉。

作者: zoids 時間: 2010-6-8 21:48

I also noticed those BS requirements long time ago when I was fresh grad.  I was in engineering and saw a junior engineer job posting required 7 yrs of experience.  WTF srsly...

Even back then, most entry level big corporation office job would requires 3 yrs experience already.  Unless you got co-op, no way you can get into a decent job fresh out of school.  I know a few straight A top of class students ended up studying in Master degree right after U grad coz they don't wanna deal with this kind of ****.

I don't suggest ppl go for PhD because no entry level job would consider him/her, while non-entry level job or managerial job would not consider PhD due to lack of work experience.  PhD is best to become professors or researchers for gov't.  This is just what I personally experience when I graduated.

作者: yayaya 時間: 2010-6-8 22:04

有好多父母都覺得如果供唔到仔女讀書就好似害左D仔女。所以仔女話要讀咩都會盡量用埋棺材本都供養下 ...
大C姐發表於 2010-6-8 21:10

我觉得读书ok阿，不过过了23 24 岁至少应该用自己的钱来读吧

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-8 22:32

I also noticed those BS requirements long time ago when I was fresh grad. I was in engineering and ...
zoids 發表於 2010-6-8 21:48

有時我見到好多寫到明junior/entry level嘅工都大大隻字要求minimum 2-3 years related experience。我唔知認該偷笑定嘔血。當然我好明你唔想請咩都唔識嘅人啦﹐但係我都真係覺得你俾得唔係好多$$﹐份工又唔係好複雜﹐其實train隻馬騮都識做啦。

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-8 23:06

0係社會大學都浸淫左幾年, 我諗學歷係足夠的~
matt72178 發表於 2010-6-8 20:23

matt哥哥係咪仲係賣緊粉同丸仔?

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-8 23:06

I got my u degree, then started to work full time, and studied part time master degree, i paid for it myself...it was harsh (in terms of time and money), but i won't regret...
I agree that many jobs require work experience, that's why i was doing both at the same time. when i graded from my master degree, i already had 3 years full time experience.

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-8 23:08

回復 4# bbqfish

i think you can also start to build up your network while you are working and taking professional courses, much better than staying at school till 30 yrs old

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-8 23:10

回復 5# 大C姐

i guess when they can't find a good fit, they will lower the requirements, or they will pay more to get the right person

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-8 23:14

回復 6# 大C姐

I don;t know about Canada as I don't have any teacher friends here..in hk, there are more people willing to be teachers when the economy is bad, vice versa. even people finished their master degree, and if they want to teach, they still need to pass all the teaching requirements in order to be a teacher...so, another year or so, plus time and tution fee

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-8 23:16

回復 9# yayaya

she should ask why people need to offer her $6k per month, $72k per year, if she doesn't have any work experience

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-8 23:17

回復 10# 大C姐

the other way round then..study part time and work full time, my sisters and i were doing that, we were all good

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-8 23:18

回復 12# zoids

yeah..100% agree, how can you write 7 yrs experience for an entry level post? haha

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-8 23:26

回復 1# 大C姐

"但係眼見個多中學畢業舊同學去做地產經紀都賺到一百幾十萬一年﹐又唔憤氣"

the other side of the coin, why don't those people take the realtor exam and earn that amount instead of having this negative feeling?

some realtors and insurance agents earn a lot, some don't, although they are selling similar services/products in theory...in other words, that is the problem of the people, not the problem of the job nature or the products.

during economy down turn, those not so successful realtors and insurance agents will automatically leave the industries, while those having really good network, or services will stay.

i can be wrong, but at least that's what i'm thinking.

do something to improve yourself, rather than stay home and do nothing

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-8 23:27

大C姐
this topic is interesting, and people posting notes here are very infomative. thanks for opening this topic

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-8 23:29

回復 7# matt72178

nice that you have enough of work experience.. some industries need people to keep their knowledge updated, people who want to stay are required to take classes or seminars no matter how they are not willing to...hahaha

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-8 23:30

回復大C姐

I don;t know about Canada as I don't have any teacher friends here..in hk, there are ...
auyatyat 發表於 2010-6-8 23:14

我係講緊返大學教/去其他college做instructors。唔係去教中小學。

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-8 23:30

回復 12# zoids

" I know a few straight A top of class students ended up studying in Master degree right after U grad coz they don't wanna deal with this kind of ****."

but then they are just delaying the "problem", they still have to deal with these one day

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-8 23:51

大C姐
this topic is interesting, and people posting notes here are very infomative. thanks for open ...
auyatyat 發表於 2010-6-8 23:27

多謝。呢幾個月都儲左唔少貨﹐無把握就唔會開題啦。

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-6-9 16:18

我識得finance／accounting嘅朋友就真係要成日study，要有多啲designation，咩CMA，CFA，不過我個field，就真係少啲，你話take個short term course（1 day or 2）就有。講真，做comp sci field嘅，羅個master，分分鐘俾人話over qualify添。想做management嘅，讀個mba囉。不過我就無咁嘅恆心同柏力。

作者: bbqfish 時間: 2010-6-9 18:15

回復 17# auyatyat

unfortunately i m not working at the moment. still in school full time(studying sth else that will gurantee a job), can't work until i graduate. but at least i m not going in research labs.

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-9 19:27

我識得finance／accounting嘅朋友就真係要成日study，要有多啲designation，咩CMA，CFA，不過我個field，就 ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-6-9 16:18

呢個世界你有工做果陣咪覺得夠囉﹐但係一場海嘯有可多人都俾人裁﹐又入唔返老本行。同埋一個行業係有生命﹐呢10年8年可能好有景﹐但係難保之後會衰落。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-9 20:24

仲勉強記得一句野:
"吾生也有涯, 而知也無涯. 以有涯隨無涯, 殆已; 已而為知者, 殆而已矣."

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-6-9 22:05

回復 31# 大C姐

點講都好，書讀多啲無蝕底嘅。不過我自問都唔係讀書嘅材料。

作者: BuddhaGirl604 時間: 2010-6-10 00:59

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作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-10 21:33

回復大C姐

點講都好，書讀多啲無蝕底嘅。不過我自問都唔係讀書嘅材料。 ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-6-9 22:05

我由細到大都唔俾自己用"唔係讀書嘅材料"做籍口囉。What is 讀書材料? 呢個世界好多人眼盲﹐耳聾﹐屋企窮到無得食都讀到書﹐手腳健全有咩材料會缺少?

我覺得一句無興趣﹐唔好奇﹐又或者覺得無需要讀咁多書都好過話自己唔係讀書嘅材料囉。

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-6-10 23:53

回復 35# 大C姐

我唔認同有眼耳口鼻就一定讀得成書, 咁咪周街都醫生律師博士？要讀得成書，所謂讀書材料，要有強記憶專注力，理解力，分析力，我認為跟肢體是否建全並無關係。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-11 00:11

小弟好明顯見過唔少人真係讀唔成書, 因為佢地真係唔係讀書嘅材料. 但如果有"搏彩科", 佢地一定拿A !
小弟亦見過好多讀得成書既人, 佢地會覺得"唔係讀書嘅材料"係一個藉口, 因為佢地根本唔會明白真係有人唔係讀書嘅材料.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-6-11 01:03

自認唔係讀書嘅材料只係因為讀錯書
博彩都係一門學問
當然我唔覺得你口中果D香港人真係"識"博彩

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-11 08:08

回復大C姐

我唔認同有眼耳口鼻就一定讀得成書, 咁咪周街都醫生律師博士？要讀得成書，所謂讀書材 ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-6-10 23:53

你咁講OK。如果你話你無記憶專注力，理解力，分析力﹐我會明囉。

其實唔係針對你去講﹐當然我唔識你﹐可能你係天才你覺得去讀書好無難度無挑戰性所以唔讀都唔定。

從唔知邊年邊月邊日﹐個個都用慣左呢個籍口。有一部份人係懶﹐又有好大部份人根本唔了解自己﹐唔夠creative去諗有咩適合自己讀。一個人算術差唔代表語言差﹐又唔代表美術音樂差。一句"唔係讀書材料"就cover晒好多自己嘅弱點﹐我覺得唔正面囉。

我唔係"工作材料"我返工得唔得?

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-11 08:11

小弟好明顯見過唔少人真係讀唔成書, 因為佢地真係唔係讀書嘅材料. 但如果有"搏彩科", 佢地一定拿A !
小弟亦 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-6-11 00:11

你唔好講呀﹐呢個世界好多專業"睹徒"。美國果D Poker Players都幾well respected架。有D搏彩都要用腦﹐唔係淨係買大細。

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-6-11 10:04

本帖最後由 fibbi 於 2010-6-11 10:31 編輯

自認唔係讀書嘅材料只係因為讀錯書
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-6-11 01:03

都可以咁講，我自問如果讀中史我都有把握讀到master，甚至PHD。不過你叫我讀Math嗰啲就真係死比你睇。

有陣時都好無奈架，唔通喺呢度讀中史中國文學？就算有得讀，讀完都唔知做得乜啦。唯有向現實低頭，讀啲自己唔係咁鐘意，但係容易啲搵工嘅科囉。

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-6-11 10:11

回復 39# 大C姐

當然，我唔係話一句"我唔係讀書材料"就連high school，college，U都讀唔到。呢啲就似藉口多啲。
我係講緊master，PHD，CA，lawyer，doctor嗰啲，真係要有超強嘅讀書能力先可以駕馭。我自問就無乜本事勒。

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2010-6-11 10:12

都可以咁講，我自問如果讀中史我都有把握讀到master，甚至PHD。不過你叫我讀Math嗰啲就真係死比你睇 ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-6-11 10:04 AM

haha I am the other way... I almost failed my chinese history back in HK.... @@
but math was easy. well.... I haven't really use math after I work... so it's fading away.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-6-11 10:17

回復 43# 布小熊

I got 1st place in Chinese History exam/test every year...but world history on the other hand... >_< Sometimes I found it rather "interesting"...I almost don't need to study much on chinese history, just skim thru the text book a few times that's it. But on the other hands..I'm spending 10x more effort on world history but still do poor in it.

Math is ok...at least I pass all my 4th year math in U..But I don't think I am able to get very good mark nor taking master degree on math...

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2010-6-11 10:46

回復 44# fibbi

I think I have problem memorizing years and names... (i.e. same problem with wine tasting @ @) Used to suck in Chemistry in HK cos I can't memorized the periodic table. I did fine in U. cos we were GIVEN the table here!!!
It shows that diff ppl can learn diff things easier. It' just different for everyone. I think the Chinese term "錯書" is a bit misleading. Cos learning can be done via reading a book and also practicing. And usually both is needed to a certain degree. (i.e. Aero Mechanics)

作者: BuddhaGirl604 時間: 2010-6-11 11:57

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作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-11 16:57

回復布小熊

I got 1st place in Chinese History exam/test every year...but world history on t ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-6-11 10:17

我自問西妹一名﹐無讀過中史所以唔知。

但係歷史真係好講個老師有無趣味。其實講故仔個個都聽得明但係邊個講得動聽D就會令人留下深刻D印象。

作者: auyatyat 時間: 2010-6-11 17:45

回復 47# 大C姐

咁讀中西史都要有分析能力o架o麻...先生最多話比你聽第一次世界大戰有乜o野原因,但係出去考試可能係問你邊個原因最重要..都係要靠自己個腦~

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-11 17:54

夠又點
唔夠又點
有咩 POINT 去討論？
唔知？？？？？

作者: celeron_266 時間: 2010-6-11 19:31

本帖最後由 celeron_266 於 2010-6-11 19:33 編輯

回復 auyatyat

unfortunately i m not working at the moment. still in school full time(studying sth ...
bbqfish 發表於 2010-6-9 18:15

ahhh....are you sure that we will get a job at the end?....we are simply 熟手技工 after we graduate....

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-11 19:38

夠又點
唔夠又點
有咩 POINT 去討論？
唔知？？？？？
sheep 發表於 2010-6-11 17:54

呢個世界多你一個唔多﹐少你一個唔少﹐你做人有咩point?

我都唔知.....

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-11 20:51

回復 51# 大C姐

你都諗唔倒點解
牛哥就一針見血咁響第二道講過
你得閑慢慢搵啦

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-11 20:56

呢個世界多你一個唔多﹐少你一個唔少﹐你做人有咩point?

我都唔知..... ...
大C姐發表於 2010-6-11 19:38

我有我生存嘅意義
你唔知唔明我唔會怪你
同你嘅學歷有幾高無關

作者: playingtoy 時間: 2010-6-11 21:05

兩位前輩有無興趣攪番個華山論劍或者係比武招親咁呢 ... 總之個event完左之後啲汽水啤酒罐呢我會負責搵人攪掂

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-11 21:13

回復 54# playingtoy

你認為你的學歷足夠嗎?

我真係唔知點為之夠點為之唔夠

講真講做人高學歷唔等於高品格
講做野高學歷亦未必做倒高職

作者: playingtoy 時間: 2010-6-11 21:52

sheep
才高八斗

大C姐
縱橫四海

當大C姐遇上sheep

密切期待
萬勿錯過

（節目如有變動恕不令行通知）

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-11 22:02

回復 56# playingtoy

我重行床七呎添
襯哂長腿姊姊

作者: playingtoy 時間: 2010-6-11 22:06

回復 playingtoy

我重行床七呎添
襯哂長腿姊姊
sheep 發表於 2010-6-11 22:02

我就

行藏鬼暑

形蹟可疑

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-11 22:12

回復 58# playingtoy

完來你先至係十月圍城嘅 NEON LIGHT
高人請

作者: playingtoy 時間: 2010-6-11 22:36

回復 playingtoy

完來你先至係十月圍城嘅 NEON LIGHT
高人請
sheep 發表於 2010-6-11 22:12

好看蕉

蕉蕉蕉蕉蕉

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-11 22:41

本帖最後由大C姐於 2010-6-11 22:44 編輯

大家唔好炒到咁大先﹐我個intention真係唔係要扮寸。我亦唔係包底﹐不過其實我回sheep果句係好直率嘅反應。

我覺得佢一句"有咩 POINT 去討論？" 真係開得好大。呢個世界絕大部份發生嘅事都無咩point無咩好討論﹐人生匆匆幾十年﹐咩大是大非都係過眼雲煙﹐我想知sheep覺得人生有咩point值得討論呢？

講返呢個題啦﹐其實我係有意思同有諗過點解喺呢度開個咁嘅題。因為好多時D人quote香港討論區講揾唔到工呀﹐俾人壓價等等﹐通常發表都係中5畢業。但係LYK個demographic我直覺覺得學歷會比較高少少。大部份LYK member都讀過大學/college﹐所以想知今時今日呢班已經叫做讀得書多嘅朋友會唔會都覺得唔夠呢? 再講翻轉頭﹐如果中5畢業果D係咪死得呢? 又有無人無讀過書都做到一份唔錯嘅工﹐都可以聽吓囉﹗

-- 不太溫不太火我是我

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-6-11 22:47

我諗香港個情況唔同啲嘅，真係係人都話要進修增值，鬼咩，競爭大嘛。呢度我唔係話無競爭，但係我聽得更多嘅係over qualify，而且呢度升職好多都講senority，就算你讀多書都唔一定升到你。

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-11 22:56

我諗香港個情況唔同啲嘅，真係係人都話要進修增值，鬼咩，競爭大嘛。呢度我唔係話無競爭，但係我聽得更多嘅 ...
fibbi 發表於 2010-6-11 22:47

都唔係呀﹐ fibbi﹐呢度都開始有呢D情況。

同埋呢呢度行行都有certificate﹐我身邊有D做admin嘅同事﹐都無啦啦話要考個試。同埋﹐比起香港﹐有時呢度D牌分得仲細。可能(我唔知係唔係)香港考左個水電工牌﹐你已經可以駁水駁電通渠﹐但係呢度就分開幾樣專業去考都唔定。

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-6-11 23:16

回復 63# 大C姐

depends邊啲行業啦，有啲都係要take番啲course去keep up，囉啲certification咁。可能我個field少啲啦。最多，都係新版本出咗，又要昆你去考多次去所謂upgrade。或者公司出＄俾你take啲seminar咁。

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-12 21:21

講返呢個題啦﹐其實我係有意思同有諗過點解喺呢度開個咁嘅題
大C姐發表於 2010-6-11 22:41

咁即係有POINT先去討論啦
如果你真係波大
証明係冇 ( )

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-12 23:31

咁即係有POINT先去討論啦
如果你真係波大
証明係冇 ( )
sheep 發表於 2010-6-12 21:21

我緊係覺得有talking point先囉出嚟討論啦﹐但係你一句冷水潑埋嚟﹐我反應係"咩先為之有point?"

當然﹐有好多人過左呢個階段又或者係自顧人士唔需要去諗讀書進修﹐但係確之然好多我哋呢D打工仔/中產﹐都要不停update自己先有啖飯食。對於我哋呢班人就好身同感受囉。

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-13 09:49

係確之然好多我哋呢D打工仔/中產﹐都要不停update自己先有啖飯食
大C姐發表於 2010-6-12 23:31

呢個係需要嘅問題
唔係夠唔夠嘅問題
skills and qualification are two different things
好似你要用個 PROGRAM 來做野
你估你嘅 SKILLS 重要
定係你係博士重要呢？

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-13 10:18

呢個係需要嘅問題
唔係夠唔夠嘅問題
skills and qualification are two different things
好似你要 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-6-13 09:49

問題就係﹐你可能以為你自己好夠quali﹐好有skill。但係現今個standard係要你有呢個牌果個cert﹐普遍job postings個minimum requirement都已經要求好多(無謂)嘅學歷嘅時候﹐就算你心腸好過聖母瑪利亞﹐你有腦過霍金﹐但係邊個知呀?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-13 13:08

正如牛哥話齋
入行嘅 ENTRY LEVEL 你有
OK 啦
你要向上爬要高啲QUAIL 同 SKILLS
你咪去進修囉
問題係你有無需要去進修

分清因同果

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-13 13:43

正如牛哥話齋
入行嘅 ENTRY LEVEL 你有
OK 啦
你要向上爬要高啲QUAIL 同 SKILLS
你咪去進修囉
問題係你有 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-6-13 13:08

你諗多左啦~

某年某月某日﹐你無咩quali﹐有個entry level做﹐都可能勉強做到上去﹐可能升到supervisor﹐甚至manager。但係今時今日﹐entry level都不再"entry"﹐個入場券越來越貴。不特止﹐現今呢一輩打工仔﹐好少一世淨係打一份工﹐做同一行。每次想轉工可能都要再進修多好多先catch up到個requirement。

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-13 19:56

道不同
不相為謀

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-13 20:12

道不同
不相為謀
sheep 發表於 2010-6-14 11:56

咁快就鳴金收兵架...

學海無崖, 無崖即unlimited, 學歷又點可以追得上unlimited 既野呢?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-13 20:17

回復 72# mcjohnjohn

你都識講
我無咁笨跳落個無底深潭

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-13 20:20

回復 mcjohnjohn

你都識講
我無咁笨跳落個無底深潭
sheep 發表於 2010-6-14 12:17

識你咁耐, 你最精係今次.

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-6-13 22:58

回復 mcjohnjohn

你都識講
我無咁笨跳落個無底深潭
sheep 發表於 2010-6-13 20:17

bang jue tiu?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-14 08:59

bang jue tiu?
samsung 發表於 2010-6-13 22:58

作者: biggie 時間: 2010-6-14 23:55

要交以下學歷﹕

- 4 year undergraduate degree (business-related discipline)
- CA or equivalent accounting designation
- CFA (recent charterholder or near completion)
- MBA (in accounting/ finance preferred)

Well I have 2 of of 4. What I don't understand is why a MBA is also required when they are already asking for an undergrad in a business related major..

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-6-15 22:11

本帖最後由快樂牛郎於 2010-6-15 22:13 編輯

六、七十年代，香港是勤勞者的天堂。「肯搏肯捱」、「刻苦耐勞」，曾經是獅子山下香港人的寫照。不過，近年香港臨時工、合約工數量急增，文憑貶值，社會上出現一批工時過長、升遷無期、人工不漲的打工一族，有人稱他們為「窮忙族」。

活在消費主義的社會，眼見物價、樓價不停升，為追求升職加薪機會，要加倍努力，甚至要兼職工作，追求更理想生活。如何擺脫「窮忙」？複製六、七十年代「香港精神」，是否消除社會怨氣之道，窮忙一族的出路？

今期又講香港窮人
不過呢D Sampling真係幾biased
咁大個城市窮人一定有
你搵幾個10幾年人工有跌冇升既最多可以證明佢地能力有問題或者蠢
但係唔代表社會冇機會

見到條友
呢頭搵萬多D一個月
果頭3000幾蚊買件衫
你就知香港D窮撚點解咁窮

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-6-15 22:22

香港班人似乎認為做得多就一定要有回報
根本出發點就錯誤
想發達就要想點樣做少D就可以搵多D
而唔係做多D博升職

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-6-15 22:37

回復 79# 快樂牛郎

不過喺未有壟路去識做少啲而又搵多啲之前，唯有做多啲。

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-15 23:27

Well I have 2 of of 4. What I don't understand is why a MBA is also required when they are already ...
biggie 發表於 2010-6-14 23:55

我見到我都覺得奇。呢個世界我咁講無一份工要有呢個combination囉。

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-15 23:32

今期又講香港窮人
不過呢D Sampling真係幾biased
咁大個城市窮人一定有
你搵幾個10幾年人工有跌冇升既最 ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-6-15 22:11

都唔係biased架﹐有好多國際性計算貧富懸殊都indicate香港問題嚴重。同埋香港整體平均人工中位數喺呢兩年係跌左﹐但係反差樓市同物價都高左。

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-15 23:35

本帖最後由大C姐於 2010-6-15 23:56 編輯

香港班人似乎認為做得多就一定要有回報
根本出發點就錯誤
想發達就要想點樣做少D就可以搵多D
而唔係做多D博 ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-6-15 22:22

我諗呢方面香港比好多國家嘅人走得前好多。好多人都識炒賣賺錢﹐見港鐵加價又識買港鐵隻股做對衝。呢方面我好sure大部份香港人都想做少D發大達。

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-6-15 23:44

回復 83# 大C姐

喺呢邊唔係唔想識炒賣賺錢，而係跟本無咁多多餘＄，個pay cheque 天一半地一半。

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-6-15 23:44

呢方面我好sure大部份香港人都做少D發大達。

咁咪係囉
冇可能人人都發達
唔發達果D淨係響度嘈都冇用

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-6-15 23:50

都唔係biased架﹐有好多國際性計算貧富懸殊都indicate香港問題嚴重。同埋香港整體平均人工中位數喺呢兩年係跌左﹐但係反差樓市同物價都高左。

但係人工從來就唔應該係唯一收入
就算人工跌
咪想辦法第度搵錢囉

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-16 00:00

但係人工從來就唔應該係唯一收入
就算人工跌
咪想辦法第度搵錢囉
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-6-15 23:50

呢個就係exactly大部份香港人心態﹐但係唔好忘記﹐太倚賴金融投資亦唔係好事。

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-6-16 00:03

呢個就係exactly大部份香港人心態﹐但係唔好忘記﹐太倚賴金融投資亦唔係好事。 ...
大C姐發表於 2010/6/16 00:00

咁當然唔係叫你全副身家去博
而且唔一定要金融投資
搞下其他項目亦可以

作者: biggie 時間: 2010-6-16 15:49

我見到我都覺得奇。呢個世界我咁講無一份工要有呢個combination囉。
大C姐發表於 2010-6-15 23:27

Well
the four things don't exactly overlap

Undergrad business degree- General business knowledge
MBA- Networking, overlap a bit with undergrad but MBA do more cases
CFA- More modeling + stats
CA- Financial reporting /systems process

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-16 18:54

Well
the four things don't exactly overlap

Undergrad business degree- General business knowledge
...
biggie 發表於 2010-6-16 15:49

我都知﹐但係我唔覺得有一份工需要呢個combination囉。

我唔識有人會讀晒以上嘅嘢﹐有嘅話我都會覺得果個人好__悶囉。真係咁鍾意business定係無其他興趣?

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-16 19:01

咁當然唔係叫你全副身家去博
而且唔一定要金融投資
搞下其他項目亦可以 ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-6-16 00:03

有咩其他項目呢? 我又想知...

香港人最叻買兩樣嘢﹐買匯豐同買樓收租。98年後好多人都做過蟹﹐見過鬼都怕黑啦﹗ 好多人手上疊樓都未去得返個高位。

同人夾份做生意又撈攪。正所謂力不到不為財﹐唔落手落腳做﹐俾人呃多過賺。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-16 19:02

我都知﹐但係我唔覺得有一份工需要呢個combination囉。

我唔識有人會讀晒以上嘅嘢﹐有嘅話我都會覺 ...
大C姐發表於 2010-6-17 10:54

... 弊... 我真係有朋友讀哂以上既野, 仲好似有多個Msc Finance.

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-16 19:13

... 弊... 我真係有朋友讀哂以上既野, 仲好似有多個Msc Finance.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-6-16 19:02

有病。

"都唔可以咁講嘅大C姐..." 如果我有咁嘅時間﹐心機﹐財力﹐我會走去讀D冷門obscure嘅科目去發掘另一面自己囉。你諗吓幾悶? 讀十幾年都係果幾幅屁....

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-16 19:41

有病。

"都唔可以咁講嘅大C姐..." 如果我有咁嘅時間﹐心機﹐財力﹐我會走去讀D冷門obscure嘅科 ...
大C姐發表於 2010-6-17 11:13

如果係有病, 我既朋友一定患左讀書強迫症.
自入讀幼稚園之後, 呢位30+既朋友每一年都有讀書. 唔係短期課程果d, 而係professional 同 Master 果d , 佢讀得都幾enjoy 架woh.

作者: chocobun 時間: 2010-6-16 20:34

其實讀o甘多書用處係咩﹖
讀完一堆紙...... 有幾多真係學以至用﹖
可能我蠢啦﹐讀完個commerce degree都唔記得學過D咩﹐全數還返晒俾D老師
真係乜都唔幾得o個種

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-6-16 22:08

其實讀o甘多書用處係咩﹖

increase in pay
unless you study junks that are not recognized at work

作者: biggie 時間: 2010-6-16 22:11

我都知﹐但係我唔覺得有一份工需要呢個combination囉。

我唔識有人會讀晒以上嘅嘢﹐有嘅話我都會覺 ...
大C姐發表於 2010-6-16 18:54

You do it because you want to advance your career.

And it not as uncommon as you think.

Start with Bcomm then CA

After CA apply to an Ibank or investment firm and study for the CFA
(Although its not that useful people do it cus everyone else has it)

Later on when you are mid 30 or so you might do the MBA for networking.
Also since both CA, CFA and MBA can be taken while you are working, all you are sacrificing is your time and energy.

作者: biggie 時間: 2010-6-16 22:12

... 弊... 我真係有朋友讀哂以上既野, 仲好似有多個Msc Finance.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-6-16 19:02

Is he a consultant or working in an Ibank?

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-6-16 22:22

其實讀o甘多書用處係咩﹖
讀完一堆紙...... 有幾多真係學以至用﹖
可能我蠢啦﹐讀完個commerce degree都唔 ...
chocobun 發表於 2010-6-16 20:34

我諗讀書都係好多人興趣嚟嘅﹐又唔一定要好"有用"。好多人讀完都唔知讀過乜係因為讀嘅時候唔投入﹐年紀細又無人生經驗去reference。顧得讀書又乏略左個social network﹐但係太顧住玩又分心最後得過扯過。有時識得去享受過程先係最重要。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-16 22:24

Is he a consultant or working in an Ibank?
biggie 發表於 2010-6-17 14:12

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