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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-6-9 11:46 標題: 黃毓民-不要拿民主的代用品來欺騙我們!

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作者: ricrick 時間: 2010-6-9 13:22

句句到肉，字字見血

作者: soli 時間: 2010-6-9 13:45

真係膠都費事俾。

作者: ricrick 時間: 2010-6-9 13:51

真係膠都費事俾。
soli 發表於 2010-6-9 13:45

駁吾到？

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-6-9 14:38

駁吾到？
ricrick 發表於 2010-6-9 13:51

無"膠"用

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-6-9 14:54

What's Fart Sai C?

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-6-9 15:11

What's Fart Sai C?
ACC-HE 發表於 2010-6-9 14:54

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-9 15:19

Thanks for sharing. However, what he said is nothing unexpected or suppressing to me.

First, I believe that people already expect 政改方案 will be denied. What will you expect to happen after that?

Second, the establishment of western democracy was driven by the middle class who wanted to share the political powers from upper class and royal families because they want to protect their own interests. If the majority of Hong Kong people (especially the middle class) don’t see the lack of democracy (雙普選) has significant imparts on their interests, I don’t see there will be any change soon.

I am talking the reality and I believe HK will eventually realize 雙普選 one day. However, I don’t think it will happen in a very short period of time as demanded by 社民連. I believe 黃毓民 is clearly aware of the reality in his heart, but he just wants to gather 政治資本 for his own benefits.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-6-9 15:44

I believe 黃毓民 is clearly aware of the reality in his heart, but he just wants to gather 政治資本 for his own benefits.
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-9 15:19

呢啲咪叫做以小人之心度君子之福囉～

當然，你又點能夠去 expect 啲小人有君子之能呢？

-力

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-9 15:47

呢啲咪叫做以小人之心度君子之福囉～

當然，你又點能夠去 expect 啲小人有君子之能呢？

-力 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-6-9 15:44

Are you saying 黃毓民 is 小人? I agree with you.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-6-9 18:39

丫～～RP呢句講得啱，
每個民主政制下既政客都係要撈政治資本，
因為係要向選民交代，代表人民發聲，
不過呢一樣野唔可以好似
曾首狗咁講：”我代表廣大市民“
就算係大多數政府都唔夠膽咁講~~

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-9 19:04

曾首狗咁講：”我代表廣大市民“
就算係大多數政府都唔夠膽咁講~~
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-6-10 10:39

冇計, 我只能夠講: "曾特首不代表我!"

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-9 20:37

回復 12# mcjohnjohn

同自己講係無用嘅
行出來大聲講

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-9 20:43

真係膠都費事俾。
soli 發表於 2010-6-9 13:45

記得刷牙漱口

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-9 20:48

回復 mcjohnjohn

同自己講係無用嘅
行出來大聲講
sheep 發表於 2010-6-10 12:37

我同左大家講啦, 麻煩你幫幫手將句野傳出去, 一傳十, 十傳百, 好快就全個世界都知架喇!

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-6-9 21:00

Are you saying 黃毓民 is 小人? I agree with you.
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-9 15:47

Instead he is a mad dog.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-9 21:36

Instead he is a mad dog.
peter236 發表於 2010-6-10 13:00

he occasionally becomes mad dog only.
most of the time, he is a good 演說者!

作者: DragonFire 時間: 2010-6-9 21:54

回復 8# rockypath

前排毓民o黎溫哥華o既時候，你點解唔正面質疑佢呢﹖o係冇任何證據之下，無故指責對方為自己利益而行動，實在欠缺說服力。

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-9 22:16

回復 rockypath

前排毓民o黎溫哥華o既時候，你點解唔正面質疑佢呢﹖o係冇任何證據之下，無故指責對方為 ...
DragonFire 發表於 2010-6-9 21:54

First, it is just my opinion.

Second, I believe he has a clear understanding of the current political situation in Hong Kong than most of us.

Third, why didn’t he respect majority of Hong Kong people who had clearly revealed their will of not supporting 激進的政治行為 in 變相公投? If he is fighting for the democracy of Hong Kong, shouldn’t he be the first one to respect the will of Hong Kong people?

Fourth, why would he not accept any other option other than must realize 雙普選 right away? Is it true that the雙普選 is a “live or die” situation in Hong Kong? I don’t think so. I believe majority of Hong Kong want to have 雙普選, but it doesn’t have to be right away at this moment. Why didn’t he respect that?

Fifth, in my opinion, I believe their激進的政治行為 would hinder the progress of democracy instead of helping. Why couldn’t he 為大局著想?

That are the reasons I questioned about his true intentions.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-6-9 22:18

Basically ..  what 黃毓民 said ..  is all true ..

However, does it help?

Sigh ...

As he said ..  when a guy is chasing a girl .. can say whatever ga la..  but will he achieve??

And in fact, how many guys will? It is what it is ..  only silly girls will believe .. and put expectation ....

作者: ricrick 時間: 2010-6-10 01:01

First, it is just my opinion.

Second, I believe he has a clear understanding of the current poli ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-9 22:16

過d所謂溫和派，做左廿年，有d咩得著？政改方案和上次被否決的一色一樣羅反出黎，又想點啊？
甘多人嘈佢，佢都無動於終，你扮乖你估佢會分d糖比你啊？用腦諗下啦，共狗的目的係人都知

民主社會下，每人都有自由用自己的方式去表達意見，有不同聲音的社會才可自我完善，有不同聲音不代表亂，你應該高興香港還是一個可以"嘈"的地方，自我河蟹，你會吾會太蠢？

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-10 02:00

過d所謂溫和派，做左廿年，有d咩得著？政改方案和上次被否決的一色一樣羅反出黎，又想點啊？
甘多人嘈佢，佢都無動於終，你扮乖你估佢會分d糖比你啊？用腦諗下啦，共狗的目的係人都知

民主社會下，每人都有自由用自己的方式去表達意見，有不同聲音的社會才可自我完善，有不同聲音不代表亂，你應該高興香港還是一個可以"嘈"的地方，自我河蟹，你會吾會太蠢？
ricrick 發表於 2010-6-10 17:01

1. 所謂溫和派, 呢廿年最成功就係7.1遊行, 咁先迫到阿爺收返23條.
2. 政改方案和上次被否決的有d 改動, 並唔係一式一樣, 不過有d 情況好似仲衰過上次. (如區議會功能組別)
3. 自我河蟹冇問題, 唔好夾硬河人地隻蟹就得啦! 正如d 唔鍾意河蟹既人, 都唔應該針對鍾意河蟹既人.

作者: soli 時間: 2010-6-10 07:25

非常期望政改被否決﹐唔洗指意2017有得選特首﹐2010普選更加唔洗諗~ yeah~

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-6-10 07:26

Suen ba la.. 民主 .. not sure good gei .. no 民主 in China, but they are big and strong, and rich now ..

Even HK is just a little puppy of 阿爺 .. at least, 阿爺 will feed HK ...

Canada is very 民主 la...

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-10 08:31

非常期望政改被否決﹐唔洗指意2017有得選特首﹐2010普選更加唔洗諗~ yeah~
soli 發表於 2010-6-10 07:25

你這狗糧養的半唐番
係時候番去食狗糧

不過輪唔輪到你就。。。。。。。。

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-6-10 11:53

過d所謂溫和派，做左廿年，有d咩得著？政改方案和上次被否決的一色一樣羅反出黎，又想點啊？
甘多人嘈佢 ...
ricrick 發表於 2010-6-10 01:01

do u know without the "feeding" from the so-called "共狗"'s policies?
how many people will lose their jobs nowaday in hk

As i said, hk will not be able to win the bargaining with Chinese government unless HK become a district/city that the whole China is relying on hk. but today, who relies on who?

作者: ricrick 時間: 2010-6-10 12:44

do u know without the "feeding" from the so-called "共狗"'s policies?
how many people will lose th ...
chunsh 發表於 2010-6-10 11:53

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作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-10 16:30

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-6-10 16:31 編輯

過d所謂溫和派，做左廿年，有d咩得著？政改方案和上次被否決的一色一樣羅反出黎，又想點啊？
甘多人嘈佢 ...
ricrick 發表於 2010-6-10 01:01

I guess you were so excited by his speech and did not listen to what he actually said carefully.

I summarised it for you and you tell me whether he truly 為香港爭取雙普選.

第一, 黃毓民將中國比成法西斯國家，將中國共產黨比成法西斯；

第二，他要求結束一黨專政，還政於民；

第三，他的目的是要暴露專政主義者的猙獰面目；

第四，呼籲香港人６月２３號去立法會示威 (目的是支持否決政改方案或是支持結束中國法西斯的一黨專政？)。

Could you confirm with me what we are talking about here? Is not “為香港爭取雙普選” the focus and goal that黃毓民 has been telling Hong Kong people?

When has this focus and goal begun shifting to be “結束一黨專政，還政於民” (imply overthrowing CCP and terminating its governing)? 黃毓民 must have clearly known and expected the kind of reaction the CCP will have and the negative impacts on the progress of 雙普選 when he made that speech.

From what he said, I have the reasons to suspect he purposely tried to provoke the nerve of central government and wished to destroy the hope and chances for Hong Kong to realize 雙普選any sooner.

If you don’t agree with me, please state your points clearly.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-6-10 20:45

ricrick 發表於 2010-6-10 12:44

like it or not, they spend huge amount of $$ in hk. I have been to Ocean Park not long ago. I can tell u, without the "freedom walk", one of the place that is full of our memory during our childhood, Ocean Park, has been closed for looooonnnng Lonng time

Yes, some of 行為are very very 討厭!!!!!!
but first, not all of them are that 討厭
and hey,
the world is not perfect.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-10 20:56

回復 29# chunsh

當你周邊嘅人啲行為都一樣嘅事候
你經以被邊沿化
你會俾人話唔好響樹扮高檔啦港燦

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-6-10 21:05

回復 chunsh

當你周邊嘅人啲行為都一樣嘅事候
你經以被邊沿化
你會俾人話唔好響樹扮高檔啦港燦 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-6-10 20:56

well, what they are doing right now is just what we, or our parents/uncles/aunts did in the past 30 years to them. I don't like it and I think no hk people like this when they are mean to us. But too bad, $$ is the boss in this capital world. Who got $$, who is the boss. Thats all.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-10 21:36

回復 chunsh

當你周邊嘅人啲行為都一樣嘅事候
你經以被邊沿化
你會俾人話唔好響樹扮高檔啦港燦 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-6-11 12:56

咁無辦法, 我的而且確係一個土生土長既港燦...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-10 21:37

Who got $$, who is the boss. Thats all.
chunsh 發表於 2010-6-11 13:05

咁又唔係woh, 如果真係普選既話, 我就係特首既老板了! 我要做老板! 哈哈~

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-6-10 22:06

1. 所謂溫和派, 呢廿年最成功就係7.1遊行, 咁先迫到阿爺收返23條.
2. 政改方案和上次被否決的有d 改動, 並唔係一式一樣, 不過有d 情況好似仲衰過上次. (如區議會功能組別)
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-6-10 02:00

1) 7.1係民陣（民間人權陣線）搞嘅，而嚴格來講，民陣並唔係乜野政治組織，更唔能夠話佢係溫和派（因為各方泛民嘅人都有份參與），所以03/04 嘅 7.1 逼到阿爺收返 23條同埋攪到阿董落台，功勞都唔能夠歸功班垃圾溫和民主派。正確來講，果陣嘅功勞係屬於香港人自己嘅。而正因為 7.1嘅功勞唔屬於班垃圾溫和民主派，所以MJJ你無法否定垃圾溫和民主派做咗廿年都係得個桔呢句說話。

2) 而你第二點就更加肯定咗ricrick所講，話特衰政府儸個一式一樣、五年前已經被否決咗嘅方案出來係毫無誠意、逼港人食屎呢個事實。

-力

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-6-10 22:20

第一, 黃毓民將中國比成法西斯國家，將中國共產黨比成法西斯；

第二，他要求結束一黨專政，還政於民；

第三，他的目的是要暴露專政主義者的猙獰面目；

第四，呼籲香港人６月２３號去立法會示威 (目的是支持否決政改方案或是支持結束中國法西斯的一黨專政？)。
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-10 16:30

Whoa~ I'm surprised you actually managed to correctly identified those 4 points! I didn't know you have a brai... opps...

The next question should be, are the first 3 points correct and appropriate? Of course they are! And because they are, #4 is just the next logical step you ought to do to support points #1 - 3.

毓民 cannot dictate nor control how Grandfather reacts and responds because Grandfather is the one that controls and determines how he reacts and responds to the others. Had Grandfather wanted to, he can easily ignore what 毓民 says and press ahead with his own agenda. The only thing that is holding him back from doing so is that Grandfather still cares for his own face in the international community, so he doesn't want (dare?) to thoroughly piss off people in Hong Kong. In other words, he really doesn't give a damn about what 毓民 says. The ones he is really sort of weary of are the people of Hong Kong.

If 毓民 had any self interests in Hong Kong's political matters, he wouldn't haven't kicked started the 5-region resignation / de factor referendum. He and the LSD easily gave up $1M in doing so.

-Lik

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-10 22:36

1) 7.1係民陣（民間人權陣線）搞嘅，而嚴格來講，民陣並唔係乜野政治組織，更唔能夠話佢係溫和派（因為各方泛民嘅人都有份參與），所以03/04 嘅 7.1 逼到阿爺收返 23條同埋攪到阿董落台，功勞都唔能夠歸功班垃圾溫和民主派。正確來講，果陣嘅功勞係屬於香港人自己嘅。而正因為 7.1嘅功勞唔屬於班垃圾溫和民主派，所以MJJ你無法否定垃圾溫和民主派做咗廿年都係得個桔呢句說話。

2) 而你第二點就更加肯定咗ricrick所講，話特衰政府儸個一式一樣、五年前已經被否決咗嘅方案出來係毫無誠意、逼港人食屎呢個事實。
Lik 發表於 2010-6-11 14:06

1. 你講哂啦! 民陣搞既就唔關民主黨事, 不如你話係社民連既功勞丫, 笨. 小弟只知道, 當年民主黨o係7.1 遊行做左好多野, 你一句就抹煞哂人地做既事, 你真係好民建聯law. 天下烏鴉一樣黑...

2. 都話唔係一式一樣, 講左好多次, 今次加左個乜乜區議會功能組別啦, 都唔聽書既. 唔好再講係一式一樣, 應該係講倒退先真. 好似做生意咁, 你quote 左個價比個client, 個quotation 過左期, 之後再出既quotation 唔一定好過之前果個, 睇當時既市場丫麻. 而家阿爺擺明玩香港人, 咁可以點? 今次安排唔到100萬人上街呀, 注定冇say 啦.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-10 22:38

他要求結束一黨專政，還政於民；
簡直就同阿爺作對啦...

對共產黨黎講, 結束一黨專政同叛國基本上冇分別, 玩野行遠d 啦.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-10 22:46

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-6-10 23:05 編輯

If 毓民 had any self interests in Hong Kong's political matters, he wouldn't haven't kicked started the 5-region resignation / de factor referendum. ...
Lik 發表於 2010-6-10 22:20

Do you mind to tell us clearly what the GOAL we want to achieve is? Is “香港實現雙普選” the goal or “推翻中國共產黨結束一黨專政” the goal?

If 黃毓民 truly wants to fight for Hong Kong people to 實現雙普選, why did he purposely 將這兩件事情掛鈎?

Based on what he had said and proposed.

1)       香港要實現普選就要結束中國共產黨的一黨專政
2)       支持普選就要支持結束中國共產黨的一黨專政的行動

First, I don’t see there is a direct relationship between “香港實現雙普選”和”結束中國共產黨的一黨專政”. I believe Hong Kong can certainly realize 雙普選 under the governing of CCP.

Second, when黃毓民 made a direct link between these two issues, what is his purpose? Does he want to turn Hong Kong into a 反對中國共產黨的基地? If Hong Kong becomes such a base, will the central government allow 普選 in Hong Kong? I don’t think so.

So, you tell me. Does 黃毓民 truly wants Hong Kong to have 普選 or not?  I believe he wants to 害香港.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-6-10 23:12

Do you mind to tell us clearly what the GOAL we want to achieve is? Is “香港實現雙普選” the goal or “推翻中國共產黨結束一黨專政” the goal?
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-10 22:46

If a logical and sane person have any sort of understanding in both the HK and Mainland political climate, and more importantly, how the two interact with one another (eg. how in a lot of ways, Mainlanders are taking after almost precisely the same actions from HK folks), he'll eventually come to the understanding that Hong Kong will not have true democracy until the day Mainland China has that as well. As such, the two goals are really one and the same.

If you knew any Chinese history at all, Cantonese folks (and in particular, HK folks) have always been leaders and revolutionaries. The most well-known and recent one is Dr. Sun Yat Sen. Living on the coast, Cantonese folks have always been more open-minded and receptive of fresh ideas. It's really in our blood.

毓民 is asking for dual general election because that's what the CPC has promised and agreed to when the Basic Law was drafted. Unfortunately, Grandfather will not grant Hong Kong what has already been promised because it is afraid the rest of China will take after Hong Kong and make similar demands. And when they do, that'll spell the end of the CPC's rule.

That's what their motive is. Simple, greedy, and power-hungry as that.

-Lik

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-10 23:25

As such, the two goals are really one and the same. ...
Lik 發表於 2010-6-10 23:12

What kind of word should I use to describe you? Where is your logical analytical skill which is essential in studying computer science?

In what way these two issues – “香港實現雙普選” and “推翻中國共產黨結束一黨專政” can be two the same one? Can you explain to us?

If you believe 香港要實現普選就要結束中國共產黨的一黨專政, then good luck to you. I am pretty confident that you won’t be able to see 香港實現普選 in this life if 結束中國共產黨的一黨專政 is the condition for 普選to be realized.

How stupid and ignorant you are.

作者: soli 時間: 2010-6-10 23:32

That's what their motive is. Simple, greedy, and power-hungry as that.

無錯﹐班顛狗真可恥。
基本法從來無寫明幾時會有普選﹐力仔真係專講大話既。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-10 23:36

If a logical and sane person have any sort of understanding in both the HK and Mainland political climate, and more importantly, how the two interact with one another (eg. how in a lot of ways, Mainlanders are taking after almost precisely the same actions from HK folks), he'll eventually come to the understanding that Hong Kong will not have true democracy until the day Mainland China has that as well. As such, the two goals are really one and the same.
Lik 發表於 2010-6-11 15:12

咁你視基本法同一國兩制如廢物?
“香港實現雙普選”同“推翻中國共產黨結束一黨專政” 絕對係兩樣野啦!

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-6-10 23:45

In what way these two issues – “香港實現雙普選” and “推翻中國共產黨結束一黨專政” can be two the same one? Can you explain to us?
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-10 23:25

Learn to read la, Moron~

Unfortunately, Grandfather will not grant Hong Kong what has already been promised because it is afraid the rest of China will take after Hong Kong and make similar demands. And when they do, that'll spell the end of the CPC's rule.

That's what their motive is. Simple, greedy, and power-hungry as that.

咁你視基本法同一國兩制如廢物?
“香港實現雙普選”同“推翻中國共產黨結束一黨專政” 絕對係兩樣野啦! ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-6-10 23:36

Given the current realities, 一國兩制 simply does not exist in HK. Affairs internal to HK that have no bearing on national security and foreign policies -- such as the abolishment of functional constituencies -- are not decided by LegCo, but are instead dictated by 西環 and Grandfather. Tell me how 一國兩制 exists and functions in HK?! Convince me how the Basic Law is relevant at all?!

-Lik

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-11 00:07

Given the current realities, 一國兩制 simply does not exist in HK. Affairs internal to HK that have no bearing on national security and foreign policies -- such as the abolishment of functional constituencies -- are not decided by LegCo, but are instead dictated by 西環 and Grandfather. Tell me how 一國兩制 exists and functions in HK?! Convince me how the Basic Law is relevant at all?!

-Lik
Lik 發表於 2010-6-11 15:45

Lik, as a current HK citizen, I strongly believe that 一國兩制 is running in HK. If there is no 一國兩制, 長毛&毓民 have already been sent to prison 勞改. Do you see 譚作人 case? 5 years la... if no 一國兩制, I strongly believe that 長毛&毓民 would be sentenced for more than 20 years.

Don't forget that HK is a part of China. Even China enforce the 一國兩制 in HK, for some important cases, the final 話事人 is still China.

It is the fact. HK is a SAR rather than a country.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-6-11 00:39

Basic Law:

第2條：香港特別行政區實行高度自治，享有行政管理權、立法權、獨立的司法權和終審權。
第18條：全國性法律除列於附件三者外，不在香港特別行政區實施。任何列於附件三的法律，限於有關國防、外交和其他不屬於香港特別行政區自治範圍的法律。凡列於附件三的法律，由香港特別行政區在當地公佈或立法實施。

Now tell me, is the abolishment of functional constituencies a matter of national defence, foreign affairs, or matter not related to SAR internal affairs?

Don't forget that HK is a part of China. Even China enforce the 一國兩制 in HK, for some important cases, the final 話事人 is still China.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-6-11 00:07

Did I ever deny that HK is part of China? I am simply going by the Basic Law stated in black and white. Beliefs and "interpretations" such as yours is why the democratic process is not moving forward in HK.

-Lik

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-11 00:44

Learn to read la, Moron~

Lik 發表於 2010-6-10 23:45

Should we conduct a survey and see whether there will be more people to vote you are moron and I am a moron?

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-6-11 01:06

moron A moron B

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-11 01:10

moron A moron B
samsung 發表於 2010-6-11 01:06

To be faire, maybe you can conduct the survey for us. Moron Lik vs. Moron Rocky.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-11 01:25

Now tell me, is the abolishment of functional constituencies a matter of national defence, foreign ...
Lik 發表於 2010-6-11 16:39

越黎越似之前同LYK 呢"擺佈經"人仕講野... quote 段"經文"出黎玩野, 但係其實係要睇哂成本聖經先work 架law.

而家普選就由1997之後已經知道係阿爺話事啦! 如果係完全香港人話事, 97 已經普選左啦.
呢個係現實... 講完.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-11 01:26

Now tell me, is the abolishment of functional constituencies a matter of national defence, foreign affairs, or matter not related to SAR internal affairs?...
Lik 發表於 2010-6-11 00:39

Do you naively believe 香港政治體制的變動 is solely Hong Kong’s internal matter?

You like it or not. The answer will be “NO” from the stand point of central government.

I think it would be interesting to conduct another survey to see how many LYK will agree with your 繆論－ “香港實現普選”和“推翻中國共產黨”是同一件事？

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-6-11 08:19

Do you naively believe 香港政治體制的變動 is solely Hong Kong’s internal matter?
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-11 01:26

If Vancouver wants to reform its city council structures, why would the provincial or federal governments stick their nose into such municipal matters?

From a policy point of view, the functional constituency is strictly a matter that concerns nobody other than Hong Kong. Of course, everyone knows why Grandfather wants to stick his hands into this because he pretty much controls the will of the functional constituency. And again, that deviates from what "one country, two systems" is supposed to mean.

-Lik

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-6-11 08:24

越黎越似之前同LYK 呢"擺佈經"人仕講野... quote 段"經文"出黎玩野, 但係其實係要睇哂成本聖經先work 架law.

而家普選就由1997之後已經知道係阿爺話事啦! 如果係完全香港人話事, 97 已經普選左啦.
呢個係現實... 講完.mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-6-11 01:25

Funny how you say the entire Basic Law needs to be taken into consideration because if you were to do that, then the Basic Law clearly stated that there will be a gradual progression towards a complete generally elected legislative council, with the understanding that the amount of direct representation (via elected LegCo members) will be increased in phases. At first, that appointed members would be replaced by directly elected members. To proceed further, the next phase is obviously the gradual elimination of functional constituency seats. Otherwise, how else could you achieve a LegCo body that is entirely elected by direct election?

-Lik

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2010-6-13 08:05

Thanks for sharing. However, what he said is nothing unexpected or suppressing to me.

First, I bel ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-9 15:19

如果黄毓民可以选特首的话，他就叫gether 政治资本啦，香港甘的烂制度当中，黄毓民点gether政治资本啊？你讲野都唔符合逻辑的，民贱联好似狗甘听阿爷讲先叫有政治资本啊

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-13 13:40

如果黄毓民可以选特首的话，他就叫gether 政治资本啦，香港甘的烂制度当中，黄毓民点gether政治资本 ...
kingkong123 發表於 2010-6-13 08:05

In your opinion, what is he doing for?

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2010-6-13 14:31

In your opinion, what is he doing for?
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-13 13:40

小则为香港民主抗争，大则为全中国民主抗争

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-13 14:44

小则为香港民主抗争，大则为全中国民主抗争
kingkong123 發表於 2010-6-13 14:31

Why is he doing so? For what purpose?

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-6-13 16:39

你估個個人都學似你咁，要自己有 so 先至去做果件事嘅咩？

小则为香港民主抗争，大则为全中国民主抗争
kingkong123 發表於 2010-6-13 14:31

淨係以上呢兩點已經係佢嘅 purpose 啦，不過你呢挺老早已經被阿爺洗腦嘅人又點能夠理解？

-力

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-13 17:36

你估個個人都學似你咁，要自己有 so 先至去做果件事嘅咩？

淨係以上呢兩點已經係佢嘅 purpose 啦，不過你 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-6-13 16:39

Just answer my question directly and don’t keep avoiding it.

What is the purpose 黃毓民 made a direct link between two separated issues (which agreed by other LYK) – “爭取香港雙普選” 和 “結束中國共產黨的一黨專政”.

I repeat the question again – what is his purpose of making the direct link between these two issues?

Do you have the gut to answer it?

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-6-13 19:05

為中國有民主。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-13 19:38

為中國有民主。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-6-14 11:05

就算有民主, 都係富中國特式主意既民主, which is 一黨專政下既民主.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-6-13 20:02

就算有民主, 都係富中國特式主意既民主, which is 一黨專政下既民主.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-6-13 19:38

MJJ，有無聽書㗎你？家陣講緊毓民為咗啲乜而去拋個身出來做咁多野呀。富有中國特色嘅民主，送俾毓民都唔要啦～

-力

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-6-13 20:15

而家有人夠薑小则为香港民主抗争，大则为全中国民主抗争
但係又有冇人敢
小則話香港唔須要民主
大則話中國繼續要一黨專政？

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-13 22:17

小則話香港唔須要民主
大則話中國繼續要一黨專政？
sheep 發表於 2010-6-14 12:15

第一點, 民主係人民既訴求, 邊個議員話香港唔須要民主, 佢注定冇運行. (功能組別議員既小圈子除外)
第二點, 而家就係一黨專政, 可見既將來都係一黨專政, 你可以試下返大陸搞一個黨, 不過後果自負了.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-13 22:17

為中國有民主。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-6-13 19:05

一句“為了民主”就可以無法無天，為所欲為，將自己的個人意願和意識形態強加在他人身上？如若其他人不肯附和其做法就扣人帽子為“反民主、支持專政、中共的走狗”。

I would like to ask – Is this the democracy we ask for? Can we trust those people to fight for our democracy? 他們爭的不是正真的民主，他們代表的是－“偽民主”！

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-13 22:17

MJJ，有無聽書㗎你？家陣講緊毓民為咗啲乜而去拋個身出來做咁多野呀。富有中國特色嘅民主，送俾毓民都唔要 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-6-14 12:02

中國成日都搞d 富有中國特色嘅乜乜出黎架啦! 遲早都有富有中國特色嘅民主, 一d 都唔奇.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-13 22:20

一句“為了民主”就可以無法無天，為所欲為，將自己的個人意願和意識形態強加在他人身上？如若其他人不肯附和其做法就扣人帽子為“反民主、支持專政、中共的走狗”。
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-14 14:17

其實冇人阻止你話返佢地係"支持民主, 反對專政, 民主既走狗".

作者: soli 時間: 2010-6-13 22:22

本帖最後由 soli 於 2010-6-13 22:24 編輯

所謂既五區公投, 已證明香港主流民意係唔支持對抗中央政府。
顛狗想將普選同推翻中共掛鉤﹐根本就係妄想。
不過﹐呢個亦係顛狗黨既作風: 不期望贏到主流民意支持﹐只要事事佔著道德高地﹐就算係不切實際也好﹐也會有一班理想主義者同未戒奶既傻仔支持。
只要有呢D人支持﹐即使係少數﹐亦夠顛狗黨繼續生存﹐D咩長毛大舊﹐雖然無咩專長﹐亦可以繼續拿六皮野人工一個月﹐都咪話唔happy~

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-13 22:23

其實冇人阻止你話返佢地係"支持民主, 反對專政, 民主既走狗".
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-6-13 22:20

Well, I support democracy and respect the people who truely fight for democracy.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-13 22:25

Well, I support democracy and respect the people who truely fight for democracy.
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-14 14:23

咁你話返佢地係"支持假民主, 盲目反對一黨專政, 假民主既契弟".

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-6-13 22:27

咁你話返佢地係"支持假民主, 盲目反對一黨專政, 假民主既契弟".
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-6-13 22:25

This is a good one.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-13 22:30

所謂既五區公投, 已證明香港主流民意係唔支持對抗中央政府。
顛狗想將普選同推翻中共掛鉤﹐根本就係妄想。
...
soli 發表於 2010-6-14 14:22

咁建基於呢個比例代表制既選舉制度下, 社民連支持率雖然一般, 但絕對有力o係某d 區域拎到足夠既票數架! 當年比例代表制既出現, 係阿爺想打殘民主黨, 點知打殘左個施文既, 就黎左班飛仔law.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-13 22:31

This is a good one.
rockypath 發表於 2010-6-14 14:27

呢度都係言論自由既, 你大可以還擊, 你有道理就會有人buy 你.

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-6-13 23:01

呢度都係言論自由既, 你大可以還擊, 你有道理就會有人buy 你.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-6-13 22:31

樂觀主義者﹐跡近天真

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-6-13 23:04

樂觀主義者﹐跡近天真
samsung 發表於 2010-6-14 15:01

悲觀主義者, 乃是杞人

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