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作者: Lik 時間: 2010-8-9 13:11 標題: 京奧後遺症：無錢保養鳥巢收歸國有

http://news.mingpao.com/20100810/caa1.htm

無錢保養鳥巢收歸國有

【明報專訊】北京市為舉辦運斥鉅資新建改建各類場館30多個，其中作為京開幕及閉幕式的主場館「鳥巢」在奧運後的用途備受關注。在京兩年後，由於難以籌措每年7000萬元人民幣的維護經費，而且運作成本過高，「用一場賠一場」，目前鳥巢的經營權已由「民營」轉為「國營」，由政府直接接管，旅遊仍是主營業務，將陸續開闢多種旅遊產品。

「鳥巢太大了，如果舉辦小型演唱會、比賽，幾千人的觀規模，坐進去幾乎看不出來。」談到奧運後的多種經營，國家體育場有限責任公司副總經理楊城表示，這正是鳥巢無法引進中超等足球賽事以及演唱會等收益項目的原因之一。

年耗7000萬維護費

旅遊目前仍是鳥巢的主營業務，楊城說，鳥巢將陸續開闢多種旅遊產品，比如正在試業的主題餐廳、大型聲光電駐場演出等。不過，鳥巢通過這些旅遊活動，仍難以維持昂貴的維護費用。而中信集團旗下的北京國安隊曾打算入主「鳥巢」，征戰2009年的中超聯賽和亞冠聯賽，但運營成本過高和賽事影響力不夠的雙重壓力使這個計劃最終擱置。

「鳥巢一年的維護費用是7000萬，只要啟動基礎成本就是70萬，需要一百多名工人工作，這樣的成本如果賣不出5萬張門票根本就沒有收益，用一場賠一場，以現在的足球環境，肯定支撐不起來。」負責營運的中信集團工作人員透露，「而且鳥巢的配套設施還沒有完善，如果球隊進駐最少還要花個兩三億進行改造，這個成本也不好回收。」

目前，鳥巢的經營權已由「民營」轉為「國營」，鳥巢由政府直接接管。擁有鳥巢30年經營權的中信聯合體負責人表示，此舉能夠看出政府的良苦用心，政府接管，給予了鳥巢很多政策上的優惠，企業經營壓力被分擔，有利鳥巢向公益性回歸。改制後，鳥巢陸續推出國際的賽車比賽和冰雪節日等活動。

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-8-9 13:43

That's good ...at least it doesn't get abandoned...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-8-9 17:52

出得黎行, 預左要還~
咁大型既運動場地, 今時今日既中國真係冇乜活動可以符合成本效益地用鳥巢.
咁唯有等有大型活動先o係度搞啦, 冇計.

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2010-8-9 20:22

共产党又搵你中国人笨七

用纳税人的钱给私人承建商起，然后又拿你纳税人的钱保养，果然羊毛出在羊身上

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-8-9 20:28

共产党又搵你中国人笨七

用纳税人的钱给私人承建商起，然后又拿你纳税人的钱保养，果然羊毛出在羊身上 ...
kingkong123 發表於 2010-8-10 12:22

此言差矣... 世界上好多地方, 都有唔少建築物係"用纳税人的钱给私人承建商起，然后又拿你纳税人的钱保养"的. 應該係focus on 值唔值得咁做, 而唔係因為呢個原因就話"共产党又搵你中国人笨七".

完全冇說服力law.

作者: hium 時間: 2010-8-9 21:16

一於申辦世界杯喇～～～

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-8-9 21:38

一於申辦世界杯喇～～～
hium 發表於 2010-8-10 13:16

又好wor! 希望到時特首可以要求阿爺比一個小組o係香港比賽就好了~

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-8-9 22:09

共产党又搵你中国人笨七

用纳税人的钱给私人承建商起，然后又拿你纳税人的钱保养，果然羊毛出在羊身上 ...
kingkong123 發表於 2010-8-9 20:22

According to what you said, you should also agree 加拿大政府和BC省府都搵你KingKong123笨七.

Would you mind to tell us the operating status of BC stadium? Who paid for the building of the stadium and the cost of operation and maintenance? How much does it cost a year?

BS without a brain just makes yourself look stupid publicly.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-8-9 22:23

According to what you said, you should also agree 加拿大政府和BC省府都搵你KingKong123笨七.

Would ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-8-10 14:09

rockypath, 小弟已經插左佢一刀架喇, 你唔好再o係度鞭屍了... 見你鞭得咁開心, 小心條屍屍變會搵你報仇啊...

作者: Guy 時間: 2010-8-9 22:36

scarp the metal for sale

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-8-9 23:01

According to what you said, you should also agree 加拿大政府和BC省府都搵你KingKong123笨七.

Would you mind to tell us the operating status of BC stadium? Who paid for the building of the stadium and the cost of operation and maintenance? How much does it cost a year?

BS without a brain just makes yourself look stupid publicly.
rockypath 發表於 2010-8-9 22:09

Moron,

Do you know what the difference is between high utilization and collecting dust? It's true that for the stadium alone, it is running with a multi-million deficit, but when you factor in the collective economy benefits that BC Place generates for the local economy, the loss is insignificant compared to the economic benefits.

So who's BS-ing without a brain here, and who is making himself look stupid la?

-Lik

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-8-9 23:16

d錢唔用
咪又係拎黎買美債
唔用就真係笨七

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-8-9 23:21

d錢唔用
咪又係拎黎買美債
唔用就真係笨七
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-8-10 15:16

小弟對金融認知比較低, 想趁機會虛心問下牛郎兄, 買美債同進貢d 錢比美國有乜野分別?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2010-8-9 23:31

小弟對金融認知比較低, 想趁機會虛心問下牛郎兄, 買美債同進貢d 錢比美國有乜野分別? ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010/8/9 23:21

原理同銀行貸款俾你買屋一樣
低過8成
你驚過銀行
高過8成
銀行驚過你

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-8-9 23:45

原理同銀行貸款俾你買屋一樣
低過8成
你驚過銀行
高過8成
銀行驚過你 ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2010-8-10 15:31

點解低過8成我會驚過銀行? 我而家有少少驚wor...

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-8-9 23:45

無錢保養鳥巢收歸國有

【明報專訊】北京市為舉辦運斥鉅資新建改建各類場館30多個，其中作為京開幕 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-8-9 13:11

You moron jai, the Bird's Nest is generating great benefits for the whole country.
You can't use $$ to measure it. You are just jealous of a rapidly rising China.
hahaha, you piece of crap, your US is going bankrupt.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-8-10 01:44

Moron,

Do you know what the difference is between high utilization and collecting dust? It's true ...
Lik 發表於 2010-8-9 23:01

So, I am interested in hearing your view of the benefit China gained from hosting the 2008 Olympic. How would the cost of building and maintaining the Bird Net compare to the benefits China received in this event?

Would you mind to show us that you are more knowledgeable and have a more analytical and objective mind than a moron like me?

I am humbly waiting to receive your speech.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-8-10 04:36

Another giant monster construction, it's all about management.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-8-10 06:54

So, I am interested in hearing your view of the benefit China gained from hosting the 2008 Olympic ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-8-10 01:44

將個 COST 攤分比十五億人只係九牛一毛
全世界超過六十億人知道有個鳥巢嚮中國
個 PUBLICITY 嘩！點計？點計都有着數啦

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-8-10 09:30

So, I am interested in hearing your view of the benefit China gained from hosting the 2008 Olympic.
rockypath 發表於 2010-8-10 01:44

Before daring to challenge me with your simplistic questions, I think it would only be right if you admit to everyone here that once again, you've made a complete fool out of yourself because of your ignorance and moronic comments about the BC Place stadium. Don't be a COWARD and come to grips with your stupidity, my idiotic friend~

Admit your stupidity, and I will educate you.

-Lik

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-8-10 09:53

A giant bird nest, can accommodate a lot of birds la

we should fight for bird's human right

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-8-10 10:30

Before daring to challenge me with your simplistic questions, I think it would only be right if you ...
Lik 發表於 2010-8-10 09:30

Lik, in front of me, you are just a clown. Are you fooling yourself that you can challenge me in this way?

First, if you can give an example showing I made a wrong comment about BC stadium, I will admit my stupidity; you will admit your stupidity if you cannot point out which part of what I said is wrong. Do you dare to make a deal?

Second, you said BC stadium worth the tax money to build and maintain because it provides the economic benefit to BC comparing to the Beijing Bird Net which is just collecting dust and it is a waste of money building it.

How funny that you just taught someone to have an objective and analytical mind when reading a piece of news. You just showed you are a person who does not have the ability to look at an issue abjectly and analytically.

Do you dare to share your view of the benefits China gained from hosting the 2008 Olympic?

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-8-10 10:35

Moron~

First, if you can give an example showing I made a wrong comment about BC stadium, I will admit my stupidity; you will admit your stupidity if you cannot point out which part of what I said is wrong. Do you dare to make a deal?
rockypath 發表於 2010-8-10 10:30

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bc_place_stadium

BC Place is busy with over 200 event days per year and contributes over $40 million per year in economic benefits to the Province of British Columbia, but it operates at a loss of more than $4 million a year ($10 million in earning and more than $14 million in expenses), not including $2.3 million for amortization. It hosts the Province's largest trade and consumer shows, community events and motorsports

So, when are you gonna admit your blantant stupidity?

-Lik

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-8-10 10:43

Moron~

So, when are you gonna admit your blantant stupidity?

-Lik
Lik 發表於 2010-8-10 10:35

Why don't you have the gut to point out specifically which part of what I said was wrong?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-8-10 10:52

Moron~

-Lik
Lik 發表於 2010-8-10 10:35

What a moron you are?

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-8-10 11:05

Blind C,

Since you cannot see where your own stupidity lies, I will show you la. According to your post in #8,

According to what you said, you should also agree 加拿大政府和BC省府都搵你KingKong123笨七.

Would you mind to tell us the operating status of BC stadium? Who paid for the building of the stadium and the cost of operation and maintenance? How much does it cost a year?

BS without a brain just makes yourself look stupid publicly.
rockypath 發表於 2010-8-9 22:09

Given the high usage and economic benefits of the BC Place Stadium, can you still say that 加拿大政府和BC省府都搵你KingKong123笨七 because of how BC Place is run?

That is precisely what you were trying to do, and I have caught you dead in the tracks with solid facts and references.

Now go apologize to King Kong for your stupid comments, and admit your stupidity to everyone reading this thread.

Do you dare to do that, coward?

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-8-10 11:15

Since you cannot see where your own stupidity lies, I will show you la. According to your ...
Lik 發表於 2010-8-10 11:05

What a self-hating moron you are?
You Canada government has big debts.

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2010-8-10 13:02

According to what you said, you should also agree 加拿大政府和BC省府都搵你KingKong123笨七.

Would ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-8-9 22:09

七头仔，话你低能你唔信

bc stadium 工程同个北京各卵巢点比啊？费用都差几百倍啦，起码bc staduim 可租出去给人用。北京个卵巢体育馆完全就是一次性使用，奥运只有就成了废物
你条契弟唔识野收皮啦

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-8-10 13:42

七头仔，话你低能你唔信

bc stadium 工程同个北京各卵巢点比啊？费用都差几百倍啦，起码bc staduim 可 ...
kingkong123 發表於 2010-8-10 13:02

You moron, they will host the world cup there soon.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-8-10 14:05

will host the world cup there soon.....?????
最快都要2026..........囉...........

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-8-10 14:22

Mr. Moron #1, #2, & #3?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-8-10 15:51

will host the world cup there soon.....?????
最快都要2026..........囉...........
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-8-10 14:05

挑循序漸進嘛
鳥巢至少可以到2046都重嚮度

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-8-10 15:53

Blind C,

Since you cannot see where your own stupidity lies, I will show you la. According to your ...
Lik 發表於 2010-8-10 11:05

Lik, you don’t even have the capability to comprehend what other people said.

First, you and KingKong123 implied China is the only country would spend the tax payers’ money to construct and maintain a giant stadium. What I pointed out to two of you is that all countries in the world did the same thing as what China did to build the Bird Net; the BC stadium is a specific example to support what I said. Can two of you give a specific example of which country in the world had done differently?

Second, the Bird Net was constructed for hosting the 2008 Olympic. Taking the cost of construction and running the Bird Net into the account against the benefits China gained from hosting the Olympic, can you tell us clearly whether it is necessary and worth while to build the Bird Net?

YES or NO? Do you have the gut to tell us your answer?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-8-10 15:55

will host the world cup there soon.....?????
最快都要2026..........囉...........
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2010-8-10 14:05

They will host the world track and field championship soon.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-8-10 16:09

七头仔，话你低能你唔信

bc stadium 工程同个北京各卵巢点比啊？费用都差几百倍啦，起码bc staduim 可 ...
kingkong123 發表於 2010-8-10 13:02

On your behalf of showing your stupidity publicly, I did a math on the cost of the construction of the Bird Nest and BC stadium.

Cost for Bird Nest:                                     423 million USD in 2008
Construction cost of BC stadium:                126 million CAD in 1981

Construction cost of BC stadium in 2008 value:       ~260 million USD
Assuming the inflation rate as                               3% a year
Exchange rate of CAD vs USD:                               0.9

Could you tell me how you came up the conclusion that the Bird Net cost hundreds time more than the BC stadium?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-8-10 16:44

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-8-10 16:54 編輯

They are now adding a new retractable roof top at BC Place using ~$500 million. Are they going to make back that money? By hosting another winter Olympics?
The total cost for BC Place is more expensive than the Bird's Nest which is bigger and more elegant.

So instead of building more schools and fixing the Burrard bridge, Campbell is spending $500 million on the vanity project at BC Place.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-8-10 17:48

呢個post 變左"魔王"123號大鬥法~
最後究竟邊個魔王獲得最終既勝力呢? 請看下回分解...

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2010-8-10 19:58

On your behalf of showing your stupidity publicly, I did a math on the cost of the construction of ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-8-10 16:09

白痴仔你D stupidity 已经show 晒出来啦

你以为查下维基百科就可以说明你的低能理论吗？

中国的造价成本同加拿大的造价成本可以同日而喻吗，中国的人工材料甘低，统计数字讲的只是建造价钱，社会成本有计算在内吗？中国的统计局出名的造价出流野，你唔会猪西到信十足挂

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2010-8-10 20:22

回復 34# peter236

11月先再講，就算成事都係2015年。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-8-10 20:22

白痴仔你D stupidity 已经show 晒出来啦

你以为查下维基百科就可以说明你的低能理论吗？

中国的造价成本同加拿大的造价成本可以同日而喻吗，中国的人工材料甘低，统计数字讲的只是建造价钱，社会成本有计算在内吗？中国的统计局出名的造价出流野，你唔会猪西到信十足挂
kingkong123 發表於 2010-8-11 11:58

既然閣下唔信中國既野, 不如考慮幻想下鳥巢只係一個立體3D 既模型, 北京奧運開幕都係3D 立體動畫... 其實呢d 世界根本係冇鳥巢呢一個建築物吧...

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-8-10 22:40

白痴仔你D stupidity 已经show 晒出来啦

你以为查下维基百科就可以说明你的低能理论吗？

中国的 ...
kingkong123 發表於 2010-8-10 19:58

First, have you ever provided any support for your stupid statements? If you want to challenge me, provide your evidences or supports. Otherwise, it just makes you look stupid in front of people.

Second, the cost of construction does not include the social cost. However, does it support your claim that the Bird Nest costs hundreds time more than the construction of BC stadium?

You already purposely excluded the social benefit of 2008 Olympic in your statements, didn’t you?

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-8-11 23:45

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2010-8-11 23:46 編輯

The BC taxpayers are going to pay for this crap. They are now adding a new retractable roof top at BC Place using ~$500 million. Are they going to make back that money? By hosting another winter Olympics?
The total cost for BC Place is more expensive than the Bird's Nest which is bigger and more elegant.

So instead of building more schools and fixing the Burrard bridge, Campbell is spending $500 million on this vanity project at BC Place.

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