標題: Teach me on cameras. [打印本頁]
作者: Helissio 時間: 2010-8-30 14:34 標題: Teach me on cameras.
I am getting tired of using my point and shoot camera and looking at getting a new toy and move onto DSLR. I am thinking about getting a Canon (no special reason, may be brand loyalty) When looking at the market. The price range varies a lot, from the most expensive EOS 5D,7D (2 to 3 K)
to 60D/50D (1 to 2 K) to its Rebei line-up (less than 1K), What is the major difference? I am looking at futureshop and thinking about the 60D package ($1500), is that a good choice? What should I look for when making decision about which one to buy? And what other recommendation do you guys have (Nikon D90)?
作者: Lik 時間: 2010-8-30 14:59
Don't buy at Future Shop la. If you are a beginner, it's best to just buy a mint condition 2nd hand body (Rebel XTi, XSi 30D, 40D if you don't care for video, or T1i if you want video). Best to save your $$ on a good lense.
-Lik
作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-8-30 15:25
Major different.. is .. the LENS ..
what body? doesn't matter, but there is Full Frame ( normal format for last decades ) 1.6x crop, or 1.3 x crop. (not as common)
作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2010-8-30 16:32
Nikon or Canon, doesn't matter. Either is good
Check the Learning Section of photo.net out. It's very useful for both beginners and experienced enthusiast alike
http://photo.net/learn/photo-equipment-guides/
作者: FiChai 時間: 2010-8-30 16:48
Photography can't be taught in just a few words. People are (and should) still learning new stuff even they already have 10 years experience. :b
To make it short for comparison, it's like good film plus good lens VS good sensor plus good lens, different camera bodies have varies from basic to fancy features. The more the features and the better the sensor quality, the higher the price will be.
To buy a mint used camera of course is cheaper, but a brand new one has warranty which is a peace of mind for beginners too, especially if you have no idea how to check on used cameras. 
作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-8-30 19:27
Grab a used camera body with a kit lens, take 30 shots everyday, visit different forums, ask around your friends, within 3 months you should have leant something...
As a beginner, you can try Canon, the lens are cheaper vs. Nikon...
作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-8-30 20:01
you can try Canon, the lens are cheaper vs. Nikon......
lo_pak 發表於 2010-8-30 19:27 
Not the case in Canada... for US/HK pricing, most Nikon lens are more expensive then Canon, but not Canadian pricing, especially FF lens (depends on what lens, but in general, Canon lens cost more, ie: 100IS, $1300 cad vs $900 105VR, 200L, $6.5K vs 200VR $5K, 70-200IS, $2.7K vs $2.3K, but 24-70, Nikon one is more expensive, however, ~ 5 yr newer, so it is hard to compare, but in general, for crop lens, Nikon are more expensive then Canon.
One reason I use Nikon, is selection of good quality lens (film), at lower cost then Canon. ^)^
作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-8-30 20:29
buying a dslr is just a better more advance point and shoot which you will hardly learn the basic photography
作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-8-30 21:47
本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2010-8-30 22:06 編輯
回復 7# Catpiano
Give me a break, this posting is regarding to entry level, you won't advise a junior to spend $1K on lens, that's ridiculous...
If I'm an advance user, I won't purchase any expensive Canon zoom lens less than 70mm... They just don't worth it...
Canon's primes are okay, but I would rather spend another 30% - 50% more on Zeiss lens...
作者: Helissio 時間: 2010-8-31 07:47
OK, other then FS/BB those big chain store, where should I look when shopping for camera and wouldnt get rip off? and after I brought the camera, I am planning to take a few beginer photography course, Are the one offer by Vancouver school board good?
作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2010-8-31 08:30
I was in the same boat about 1.5 yr. I tried Nikon and Canon. It really doesn't matter.
For me, a new beginner needs to learn 2 things first:
1. What does your in camera meter do, (google 18% gray, Zone system)
2. Learn what is perspective. (get yourself a 50mm or 35mm for corp sensor fixed lens). No zoom.
You can learn all these by googling. No need to go to class.
作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-8-31 08:39
回復 10# Helissio
Since you are a beginner, I won't recommend you to pay too much on your gears before you get used to DSLR.
FS/BB won't trap you. However, if I were you, I would rather purchase used equipments. There are plenty on CraigsList and you don't have to pay HST 
...
FS/BB on sale - New Canon XS with kit lens 18-55IS - $510 incl. HST; New Canon XSi with kit lens - $700 incl. HST.
Used - Canon XS or XTi with kit lens~ $300-$350, XSi with kit lens ~$400-$450. 50mm f1.8 MkII ~$100. 55-250mm IS ~ $250.
(The so called 窮人三寶 kit - 18-55IS; 50mm f1.8 MkII; 55-250mm IS)
Take your pick...
作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-8-31 08:58
Well .. nowadays beginer .. dont know how much they will spend ga ..
Especially in Vancouver and mainland .. many people with no SLR experience, go for 5DII, D3 .. etc .. 
Anyway, getting a 500D or 3100D package + flash is a good start.
Does't matter what body and lens .. Flash is damn important, don't forget about it!
作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-8-31 09:12
本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2010-8-31 09:40 編輯
回復 13# Catpiano
I agree, but do you think that's a "good" way to start with the "pro" gears??
...
Most of those fellows can't even figure out the function of the dials...
I've seen a new Chinese immigrant in QE Park using the continuous shot function on his 5DII (I don't know why he doesn't use the video function instead) tracing his running daugther for couple minutes...
作者: Lik 時間: 2010-8-31 09:32
In addition to a cheap, good entry level dSLR (there are plenty of Craigslist), I know the good and proper way is to pick up a cheap 50mm (Canon 50mm F/1.8 is ok) and start experimenting from there. But since I am a really lazy photographer, I don't particularly like primes. With Canon, I'd much rather pick up a Rebel XTi and a 18-135 IS or 18-200 IS all-purpose lense and just go nuts with them. Even the 18-85 (or is it 17-85? I dun remember la) is acceptable at this early stage, but it is an utterly crappy, crappy lense with extremely poor CA problems.
If you want to do video as well, then I think T1i is your best choice in the Canon camp la. But then that one is newer and more $$.
-Lik
作者: siumaibb 時間: 2010-8-31 09:38
60D is a good choice, go for it.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1008/10082620canoneos60d.asp
作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2010-8-31 12:21
Well .. nowadays beginer .. dont know how much they will spend ga ..
Especially in Vancouver and ...
Catpiano 發表於 2010-8-31 08:58
I saw one guy's pic with D3s and zeiss 85mm 1.4. the new parent doesn't not how to meter, his baby's face is all dark.
I think it is very unethical to push these pro-gears to newbie parents. At the very minimum, give the guy a simple lesson no how to use them, you just sell the poor guy $7000 of "stuff".
作者: Lik 時間: 2010-8-31 12:38
I don't see anything unethical here ge. After all, nobody is forcing the buyers to buy ar mah. The problem is, too many people have the $$ but not the brains to know how to make an informed decision in buying. Or, they may have so much $$ anyway that the really don't give a damn. And it doesn't just happen with cameras ga la. Lots of people buying super ging expensive cars, drinking Lafite wines, eating caviar and stuff, but do they really know how to savour and appreciate it?
To them, all these material stuff is just a means to show off their wealth la~
On a different note, Ferrari offer (mandatory?) performance driving programs to people that buy some of their high end cars. Now that's being ethnically responsible la.
-Lik
作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2010-8-31 12:52
回復 18# Lik
the sales person probably regard he didn't have the M9 and the 50 f1.0 lens in stock.
And the prophoto strobes.
作者: Helissio 時間: 2010-8-31 13:21
Well .. nowadays beginer .. dont know how much they will spend ga ..
Especially in Vancouver and ...
Catpiano 發表於 2010-8-31 08:58
Well, if I am those sky is the limit powered by parents kid then I would just go get myself a Leica or Hasselblad rather then asking advise here.
But thanks everyone for recommandations, seems like I will do some more reading before making up my mind
作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2010-8-31 13:52
Helissio,
Straight answer from me.
used Nikon D90+35mm 1.8 AFS. Your pictures will impress 99% of your friend. The 1% is photographers, you can ignore them.
作者: Helissio 時間: 2010-8-31 20:20
Helissio,
Straight answer from me.
used Nikon D90+35mm 1.8 AFS. Your pictures will impress 99% of ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2010-8-31 13:52
Yeah, I know the D90 is a good camera, even regular people like me know the good review of this camera, but isnt Nikon not so popular compare to Canon in terms of future lens upgrades? also the D90 is too expensive, I think a new one cost above 2K? how much are the used one going for?
作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-8-31 21:19
D90 wor .. it is entry model .. I think $850 now .. and 35mm F1.8 is like $269.
35.8 on D700 is actually more cool, (do ~ 1.1 to 1.2 crop )
You can look at D5000 too, $629 with lens, (london drug) great bargain!! add a 35 F1.8, 55-200 VR, SB600, then you are good to go! under $2K for all, with taxes! ^_^
Even I use Canon gears more, but I do suggest Nikon low end model in Canada.
(don't get me wrong, 500D, 550D are good bodies too, but cost quite a bit more then D5000)
作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2010-9-1 08:23
no, use D90 and 35mm will cost less the 1k in used market ar.
Catpiano: should I sell my 5D/35L and get D700/35 1.8?
作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-9-1 13:38
should I sell my 5D/35L and get D700/35 1.8?
Look4chrisng 發表於 2010-9-1 08:23
Well, it is all up to you, for image outcome, 5D + 35L is still nicer then D700 + 35 1.8, (35 1.8 on D700 will have effective ~38-42mm, after crop the pic a bit, depends on aperture and distance, you don't really need to use DX mode)
But what system to keep, should be base on just one combination, yes, Value for 5D+35L and D700+35.8 is about the same, and in general, D700 is a nicer camera, but also look at how many Nikon gears/Canon gears you have, and if you want to just run 1 system or not.
I use my D700+35.8 more then my 5D + 35L, just mainly the AF is quicker, and more selectable AF point, better for taking picture a 16 month old, otherwise, I still prefer 5D+35L colour more. ^_^
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