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作者: fy789 時間: 2010-9-2 07:18 標題: 挑戰宗教信仰霍金：宇宙非上帝創造

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作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-9-2 08:16

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子非魚,安知魚之樂?
Something can be discussed but may not have an answer...

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-9-2 09:20

Is this what his new book about? Isn't it already written in many other books by other authors?

When people enjoy challening religionists, there are many issues that antitheists having troubles to answers as well. For examples,

(1) where does 物質 come from
(2) the orders exist in univers
(3) formation of life

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2010-9-2 09:26

Well, I think Hawkings can say that based on various scientific findings, that THE God (the one that created earth whatever 5000 years ago, in 7 days, something like that?) probably didn't create the universe as we know it. Doesn't really disproof creationist theory all together tho.

On another note, don't know about the timeframe, but in general I agree with Hawking. Human must be able to colonize space or will definately go extinct. I think this is trivial fact. Given our political wills however, I don't know if this will happen soon enough before we go extinct...

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-9-2 12:01

Is this what his new book about? Isn't it already written in many other books by other authors?

Wh ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-9-2 09:20

and many discussions terminated when people ask, if god is such perfect, how can it/he/she exist without being created? then who create the one who create god?

why terminated? because one will say "there is no reason. God exists because it exists. no question. It is a fact"

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-9-2 18:21

why terminated? because one will say "there is no reason. God exists because it exists. no question. It is a fact"
chunsh 發表於 2010-9-3 04:01

「由於地心引力等定律的存在，宇宙可無中生有地自我創造」
話唔定, 神係控制住呢個"無"中生有.
chunsh 兄, 你試下舉高雙手, 睇下你手上既"無"會唔會無啦啦無中生有咁出現一個小宇宙?

作者: Davidcopperfeel 時間: 2010-9-2 22:42

He's retarded

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-9-2 23:16

He's retarded
Davidcopperfeel 發表於 2010-9-3 14:42

你唔好侮辱我兒時偶像...

作者: Prelude 時間: 2010-9-3 00:40

Anything is possible.
The ones who say universe NEVER be created by itself are just bias.
Same for the ones who say there is never be a god are just bias as well.

Be open minded, anything is possible. Just that you don't know, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
If there is other universe out there, did god create them too??
How many universes have been created by the god? Can someone ask the god and tell us? Then we go confirm if it's right?

作者: Davidcopperfeel 時間: 2010-9-3 01:26

你唔好侮辱我兒時偶像...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-9-2 23:16

but he's a moron really
like prelude said anything is possible
he's just a human being

作者: Davidcopperfeel 時間: 2010-9-3 02:02

本帖最後由 Davidcopperfeel 於 2010-9-3 02:31 編輯

and many discussions terminated when people ask, if god is such perfect, how can it/he/she exist ...
chunsh 發表於 2010-9-2 12:01

I do have several questions for you...

If humans can be created by god, why god can't be exists because he exists?

If god has to be created by "Someone"?.....then what's the real definition of "God"?

If that "Someone" created God, then what should we call him?

and...oh wait... Who created the "god creator"?

My question is if god has to be "CREATED" by another "God" ?

Why God-Creator can't be exists because he exists?

Is it hard to believe "Someone" who created the universe can be exists because he exists?

Can we (human) make the Universe?

Do you think "Time" still exists when there is no more universe?

If some people think they came out of a rock.....Do you think their parents were never existed just because they thought they weren't?

Do you think the "BIG BANG" Created human beings and all the living things?

If there is "Someone" who created everything........Do you think we (human) can truly understand him?

We should judge god's existence when we (human) able to created another universe or earth umm... No maybe when we can created "Water" from nothing

作者: Davidcopperfeel 時間: 2010-9-3 02:43

本帖最後由 Davidcopperfeel 於 2010-9-3 03:13 編輯

You want the proves of God's existence?

If "God" exist, then everything in the universe (including us) is the prove of it's existence.

If God never exist, then we (humans) are the prove of "None" One day somehow... turn into (created) The Universe and the Human beings.

Is it possible for "None" to do such thing?

Some people rather believe things can be created by itself from "Nothing" , and "Nothing" was created by itself?

And those people can never believe there is a (God)mother who created them? oh i see

A: Where did you drop your hat?
B: I never dropped my hat, it just ran away by itself
A: oh i see

Is it hard to believe "Someone" who created The Universe can be exists because he exists?

Or is it easier to believe when "None" can somehow turn into the universe and all the living things + humans?

What is more logical to us?

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-9-3 06:13

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2010-9-3 06:14 編輯

This discussion will be endless...
Just like how do you prove "love"...

Just a wise remainder to those to try to prove god's existence/nonexistence in this posting,
believers won't become more "holy";
unbelievers won't become more "guilty".

If love can be proved then it's not love anymore....
If you believe, it's there...
If you don't believe, it's not there...

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-9-3 08:46

「由於地心引力等定律的存在，宇宙可無中生有地自我創造」
話唔定, 神係控制住呢個"無"中生有.
chunsh 兄, ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-9-2 18:21

I do believe that the universe is being created (including life forms)
but it is just contradict to the teaching itself that,
1. a universe and life forms and everything in it are so systematics that they can't exist by themselves, instead, everything was created by some group
2. assume there is only one creator, namely god. He/she/it must be much (X99999...99) times higher intelligence than us, more systematic than the universe.

3. now the teaching said, god is exist by himself??

wow

you failed

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-9-3 08:48

I do have several questions for you...

If humans can be created by god, why god can't be exis ...
Davidcopperfeel 發表於 2010-9-3 02:02

wow, so long
if your logic allow your explanation, so be it

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-9-3 16:55

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-9-3 16:58 編輯

and many discussions terminated when people ask, if god is such perfect, how can it/he/she exist ...
chunsh 發表於 2010-9-2 12:01

I don’t think whether God(s) exists have to do anything with whether he (or they) is perfect (by human definition and standard).

Antitheists question how God can be self-exist without being created. However, antitheists themselves also have the trouble to answer why they believe 物质 can be self-exist without being created.

Let say we can accept the “Big Bang” theory and agree the universe began from an explosion. However, there many questions the “Bing Bang” theory does not answer. For example,

(1)       Where did the物质 for the “Big Bang” explosion come from? It must be there before the explosion (the beginning of our universe), agree?

(2)       The laws of physic (i.e. 萬有引力定律) must already exist before the explosion, agree? Otherwise how could the universe be formed?

(3)       How was life formed from those lifeless materials after the explosion? 進化論 does not explain the formation of life.

作者: chunsh 時間: 2010-9-4 00:29

I don’t think whether God(s) exists have to do anything with whether he (or they) is perfect (by ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-9-3 16:55

喂﹐你唔好9唔搭8啦
都話左我信生物/宇宙係被created already...

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