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作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-9-7 20:54 標題: 業主與租客的故事

之前有lyk問我有關麻煩租客嘅故事﹐我諗好難三言兩語講得晒﹐而且我估好多人都有經驗可以分享所以都係開個新題去細心研究。

先擺明立場﹐大C姐做過業主租過地方俾人﹐亦做過租客租過人哋地方住。呢個topic確實有好多親身感受。先講業主方面嘅隱憂﹐做人業主真係甚艱難。除左好多霸王租客唔俾錢之外﹐仲有好多麻煩人燈膽燒左都call餐懵要業主整。呢D故仔唔洗我講都聽過N次﹐不值一談。

好多人以為有人幫自己供樓好爽﹐其實有好多危險地方要注意。首先﹐如果你自己放(唔係幫襯agent)的話﹐好多私人資料要對外公開(最basic都要post你個聯絡電話﹐地址同名)。點解要特別講起私人資料呢﹐其實幾年前我朋友有一個經歷。佢喺呢邊post自己個單位出租﹐用唔同medium﹐報紙﹐craigslist等等。好正常﹐好多人會打電話問可唔可以上去睇樓﹐上到去睇好多人都會問D細節﹐甚至影低幾長相以作記認。講到呢度都好正常﹐如果你做業主﹐有人睇都唔睇就落offer就話奇姐﹐親身有口有面去睇樓通常人嘅心理都覺得好穩陣。Post左幾個禮拜﹐大概10個8個potential租客睇過樓之後﹐有一個客話OK想簽個tenancy agreement。我個朋友都見過呢個租客一次﹐個印象都OK﹐所以諗住爽爽快快搞惦個contract啦。

點知﹐我個朋友簽晒所有嘢之後收唔到deposit同post-dated cheques﹐打電話俾個租客﹐個租客好驚訝咁講﹐"我俾左啦啵﹗"

究竟發生左D咩事呢﹐我俾大家估吓﹐返轉頭先開估。

-- 洗大左嘅大C姐

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-9-7 21:43

大C姐推出新一輪既偵探小說?
咁我估下先!
應該係個租客將d 錢比左一個騙子. 而個騙子係利用唔同medium 搵到既資料去假扮業主.

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-9-8 17:54

點擊率咁高就知其實好多人想知個故事結尾啦.......

咁都要講埋落去。原來其中有個睇樓客﹐影左相之後post上網當自己單位出租。當有人回EMAIL話想睇樓﹐佢咪再約返我朋友睇樓囉。當然﹐個受害者去到睇樓﹐唔知個業主原來唔係EMAIL裡面果個人。睇完樓覺得ok就再同個假業主DEAL。

當然﹐個假業主可以直頭同個受害者做埋份假tenant agreement﹐你做租客其實點知個單位個登記人係姓乜名乜?

另外﹐做業主好多時約人睇樓都唔知D租客係咩背景。好多時有人話想租就會約﹐唔會check人哋background。又有一個case係我親戚喺香港﹐佢係一般家庭煮婦﹐住新界一D獨立屋。一向都會將樓下單位出租﹐有次約左兩個男人去睇樓﹐入到屋先知原來係賊﹗綁起左我呢個親戚﹐囉晒D錢同credit card﹐仲逼佢講埋password。到最後當然報警處理﹐但最後都拉唔到人。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-9-8 18:26

又有一個case係我親戚喺香港﹐佢係一般家庭煮婦﹐住新界一D獨立屋。一向都會將樓下單位出租﹐有次約左兩個男人去睇樓﹐入到屋先知原來係賊﹗綁起左我呢個親戚﹐囉晒D錢同credit card﹐仲逼佢講埋password。到最後當然報警處理﹐但最後都拉唔到人。
大C姐發表於 2010-9-9 09:54

剩係劫財唔劫色都算執番身彩架喇!

作者: FiChai 時間: 2010-9-8 19:01

That's why realtors worth to be hired.

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-9-8 20:02

本帖最後由 samsung 於 2010-9-8 20:09 編輯

what?? 點擊率....高........?

so good you are very good at "tum" yourself ga wor....

you must feel 幸福 all the time

you are those type of wo/man knowing husband has 2nd/3rd/4th wife and still closed one eye opened one eye... good job

anyone remember I opened a thread called "simply junk"? 點擊率 is way higher than this...

but everyone knows there was nothing in there, just "junk"...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-9-8 20:08

what?? 點擊率....高........?

so good you are very good at "tum" yourself ga wor....

anyone r ...
samsung 發表於 2010-9-9 12:02

話唔定大C姐同admin 相熟, admin 話唔定有hold 住LYK 既stat, 見到邊一隻link hit 得最多, 跟住就同大C姐講啦~ 人地講故你就唔好駁故啦, 假Fi Chai!

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-9-8 20:09

話唔定大C姐同admin 相熟, admin 話唔定有hold 住LYK 既stat, 見到邊一隻link hit 得最多, 跟住就同大C姐 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-9-8 20:08

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-9-8 20:11

samsung 發表於 2010-9-9 12:09

小心d 一個唔like 你就block 左你個account. 人地tiffiant 都叫做半年後重生, 你係唔係想永不超生?

作者: Guy 時間: 2010-9-8 20:12

Thank you.. learn something today

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-9-8 20:12

小心d 一個唔like 你就block 左你個account. 人地tiffiant 都叫做半年後重生, 你係唔係想永不超生? ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-9-8 20:11

oh scared tim

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-9-8 20:13

話唔定大C姐同admin 相熟, admin 話唔定有hold 住LYK 既stat, 見到邊一隻link hit 得最多, 跟住就同大C姐 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-9-8 20:08

I have strong evident that dai c jeh is admin or admin's best friend

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-9-8 20:14

oh scared tim
samsung 發表於 2010-9-9 12:12

穿條片, 咁就驚到賴尿都唔會有人知! pampas 大碼arm 唔arm?

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-9-8 20:50

That's why realtors worth to be hired.
FiChai 發表於 2010-9-8 19:01

好多人都會自己放租架﹗

就算用agent﹐你估D agent真係好有心機去做background check咩﹐好多都係求求其架咋。不過如果有得揀﹐用agency會好少少。不過呢個世界好多職業租客﹐存心係要利用法律嚹去唔交租...

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-9-9 00:10

小心d 一個唔like 你就block 左你個account. 人地tiffiant 都叫做半年後重生, 你係唔係想永不超生? ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-9-8 20:11

I think she has already hired a few ppl to bump up the 點擊率 (so s/he can prove to me that 點擊率 is really high, at least higher than my post "simply junk"

﹐also that cow & lik will definitely help out, hit this post n times a day

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-9-9 00:31

I think she has already hired a few ppl to bump up the 點擊率 (so s/he can prove to me that 點擊 ...
samsung 發表於 2010-9-9 16:10

唔係呀化, 我又唔信大C姐有咁多跟班or 觀音兵!

作者: FiChai 時間: 2010-9-9 00:35

好多人都會自己放租架﹗

就算用agent﹐你估D agent真係好有心機去做background check咩﹐好多都係 ...
大C姐發表於 2010-9-8 20:50

Owners work on their own -> they bear their own responsibility. Agents works for owners -> agents bear responsibility -> owners can sue agents. People got to know what the possible consequence is and decide what they should choose to do.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-9-9 00:38

Owners work on their own -> they bear their own responsibility. Agents works for owners -> agents b ...
FiChai 發表於 2010-9-9 16:35

乜經agent 放租, touchwood 租左比個租霸, 業主係可以向agent 追究架咩?

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-9-9 01:04

I just wonder if you guys don't like 大C姐's post, why do you guys still click in her post and comment.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-9-9 06:56

I just wonder if you guys don't like 大C姐's post, why do you guys still click in her post and comme ...
Anonymous 發表於 2010-9-9 01:04

點擊率高
唔相等於多人睇
有人一上去就調頭走
回個啲來來去去都係嗰幾個
我而家都費事小咁多
不過有時睇唔過眼
都要小

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-9-9 08:42

本帖最後由 samsung 於 2010-9-9 08:58 編輯

I just wonder if you guys don't like 大C姐's post, why do you guys still click in her post and comme ...
Anonymous 發表於 2010-9-9 01:04

keep her clicking rate high ma... keep her happy lor

I don't mind to help out indeed

"a good deed a day" ma...

why you need to be anonoymous ge? you can't face ppl mei? feeling ashamed for supporting her? you afraid ppl would think you like g nai mei?

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-9-9 08:43

點擊率高
唔相等於多人睇
有人一上去就調頭走
回個啲來來去去都係嗰幾個
我而家都費事小咁多
不過有時睇 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-9-9 06:56

just let him/her masxxxxxx with this clicking rates lor

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-9-9 08:51

Owners work on their own -> they bear their own responsibility. Agents works for owners -> agents b ...
FiChai 發表於 2010-9-9 00:35

通常有兩個arrangement。你可以直頭叫property management去幫你收租同deal with租客﹐每個月個agency扣起費用再過俾業主。

另一種就係比較普遍﹐個agent只係幫業主揾租客﹐簽完合約就無下文。而我所知﹐agency係唔會guarentee個租客之後會交租/唔搞事。除非係個agent存心欺詐﹐基本上之後個業主同租客有任何糾紛﹐你可以投訴但係個agent都唔involve。

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-9-9 11:08

knock, knock... keeping this post's clicking rate as HIGH

作者: FiChai 時間: 2010-9-9 11:21

乜經agent 放租, touchwood 租左比個租霸, 業主係可以向agent 追究架咩?
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-9-9 00:38

As big C sister said on #23 is right. Yes, you "can" sue the agent but doesn't mean you will win. But the thing is, agents know they bear certain responsibility and want no "hand tail" and hassle afterward, so they will usually treat the deal in a more careful way with professional knowledge.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-9-9 11:23

租樓真係可以幾煩，所以我都係交俾人打理。寧願收少啲。

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-9-9 11:29

As big C sister said on #23 is right. Yes, you "can" sue the agent but doesn't mean you will win. B ...
FiChai 發表於 2010-9-9 11:21

好多都係好"行貨"去做場戲。好似agent要有租客收入證明同公司資料﹐但係我朋友經歷係﹐個租客唔俾租﹐原來申報果間公司已經無做好耐﹐個agent根本無去check reference。呢個case最後都係因為個租客"不誠實"而個朋友只可以追究個租客而唔係個agent。

如果識得有朋友/家人做agent就好D囉。

作者: FiChai 時間: 2010-9-9 14:01

好多都係好"行貨"去做場戲。好似agent要有租客收入證明同公司資料﹐但係我朋友經歷係﹐個租客唔俾租 ...
大C姐發表於 2010-9-9 11:29

Well......, bus drivers "supposed" to drive safely; restaurant chefs supposed to cook clean and fresh; real estate agents supposed to do the job and check all needed documents for their clients....... . The reality isn't come out all like that.

But it's still better and have more protection than you do everything all by yourself. And do you ever heard of 唔熟唔食? Sometimes relatives and friends may not be trustworthy, haha.

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-9-10 00:16

Well......, bus drivers "supposed" to drive safely; restaurant chefs supposed to cook clean and fre ...
FiChai 發表於 2010-9-9 14:01

如果連朋友都信唔過就好消極啦... 我寧願信囉。

不過我而家香港嘅物業都係俾親戚住﹐象徵式收租。因為租出去俾外人真係好煩﹐裝修都蝕唔少而且又唔係一定租得出。

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-9-10 00:55

如果連朋友都信唔過就好消極啦... 我寧願信囉。

不過我而家香港嘅物業都係俾親戚住﹐象徵式收租。 ...
大C姐發表於 2010-9-10 00:16

You have many properties everywhere.

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-9-10 18:05

You have many properties everywhere.
peter236 發表於 2010-9-10 00:55

我要申報﹐有D係屋企人嘅物業﹐我係掛名業主姐。不過都想同兄弟姊妹夾份喺香港買多間屋﹐希望下年有多D時間啦。

不過講多少少樓宇買賣呢個topic啦﹐好多人可能覺得大C姐好大口氣﹐講嘢好主觀。首先﹐大口氣可以話係大C姐嘅trademark﹐呢個我從來唔否認。但係討論得嘅topic緊係有爭拗位﹐有唔同perspective啦。有好多人用好多report/ news article去反駁我或者其他人。我其實以前都講過﹐首先有D報導係有政治目的﹐或者加左其他個人(編輯/作者)主觀意見。另外﹐好多所謂中立official嘅數據﹐好可能係正確﹐但係都要留意個perameter係點set。我一路想講係﹐就算大圍環景係貴左好多﹐代唔代表完全否定左有個別單位/屋係抵買先? 呢D數據只供參考﹐唔係代表每一個case都會fall onto個數據﹐個數據個sample都有高低啦? 點解有LYK依然會覺得我唔夠中肯﹐死撐果D數據係大過一齊呢?

第二﹐約然有LYK淨係想知樓市過去historical data我諗識得上網識得英文自己都可以google啦﹐點解要上討論區問人意見? 問得人意見當然係想聽其他人經驗﹐同數據以外嘅睇法啦﹗點解又會有D蛋散覺得發表個人意見太主觀呢? 本應發表意見就係要你用你自己experience出發去講你自己感受啦。而然﹐有幾位好"熱心"嘅LYK好喜歡扮官腔﹐扮政治正確﹐企喺道德高地去用"數據同報導"去指摘其他人言論不夠中立。其實講不同意見係OK架﹐你淨係provide一D有關數據資料但係無standpoint都無問題架。但係有時要虛心D去appreciate其他人嘅經驗。事實證明好多人真係無買過樓﹐又未必對呢個程序好認識﹐想得到一D經驗之談﹐呢個唔係statistic canada可以download到落嚟嘅數據﹐而係要用主觀意見去發表。或者咁講會易明D呀﹐有人問邊部相機好D﹐我話Canon因為XXYY﹐但係有人淨係用個數據話我唔夠中肯因為Canon賣左7千部但係Nikon賣左10萬部。數字上可能係絕對無錯﹐但係呢D數據幫唔幫到問問題果個人呢? 係唔係有意思嘅資料呢? 未必。

最後﹐我好想多D人識得用網上討論呢個medium。今日你要一個"大C姐"收聲好易﹐但係有朝一日如果網上只係reduce to數據﹐官方口刎同政治正確嘅言論﹐結果係同內地俾人被逼censor無分別。

-- 尊重言論自由的大C姐

作者: ecwkwok 時間: 2010-9-10 18:59

其實個個都話要check 租客/準租客 background, 但其實業主o既 background 又何嘗唔需要留意?
好似我前兩年有日比人爆格, D差佬來到即時懷疑住o係樓下個業主, 點解? 因為佢個底成本電話薄咁厚囉...

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-9-10 19:00

I am helping you to bump up the clicking rates, no need to thank me

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-9-10 19:01

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作者: samsung 時間: 2010-9-10 19:05

that would be tiff's job.
mukmuk2 發表於 2010-9-10 19:01

I know c jeh needs me

作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-9-10 19:19

其實個個都話要check 租客/準租客 background, 但其實業主o既 background 又何嘗唔需要留意?
好似我前兩年 ...
ecwkwok 發表於 2010-9-10 18:59

唉也﹐你講開我都要講一個故仔呀﹗

幾年前識得一個德國女仔﹐佢嚟半工讀所以唔會好多錢﹐所以就租人哋basement住。個業主好正常一對父婦﹐應該有仔女添架。佢哋一家人都對我呢個德國朋友好好﹐有幫佢搞生日﹐借個backyard同間屋俾佢招呼朋友。

其實搬去無耐我個朋友已經發然廁所有個可疑嘅道具﹐因為個女仔又唔係好識﹐以為會唔會係控制水壓或者計用左幾多水之類嘅device。但係有一日個toilet塞左﹐所以叫個業主(個男人)去幫佢整啦。奇怪嘅係﹐個男主人整完之後﹐個device就唔見左﹗

所以我朋友之後先懷疑果個係hidden camera。

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2010-9-10 19:21

what is the point bumping the old thread?

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-9-10 19:43

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作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-9-11 12:39

本帖最後由大C姐於 2010-9-11 12:43 編輯

可以講多幾個個案﹐呢兩個係我識嘅人之中幾成功嘅case﹐不況參考。

其實之前可能講過﹐我識得一個喺呢邊住嘅C拉﹐有仔有女但係無做嘢﹐之前十幾年都係帶仔女出出入入咁。但係90年代中已經覺得好悶﹐同埋坐食山崩﹐點都想賺少少外快。其實呢個家庭絕對唔係有錢人﹐但係都叫做afford得到另一間屋。當年佢哋住coquitlam﹐自己間樓唔係貴﹐另外再買一間喺marpole收租。當年其實D樓價唔係太貴﹐所以marpole間屋分租三個單位都夠俾mortgage有餘。最好係呢個朋友唔洗做嘢平日好多時間去deal with租客之類。幾年間覺得有錢賺又再買多間。而我所知﹐從不愁無租客。幾年前市好就賣左一間套現﹐岩岩可以供到自己仔女讀大學。

另一個朋友就係做紀律部隊﹐喺mapleridge買左一間大屋分租6-7個單位俾D低收入/傷殘人士。原來﹐如果D租客係囉政府錢﹐業主係可以直接喺租客D welfare扣起租金。其實每個單位都幾值錢﹐每個月都有$500-600/unit。當然維修管理就多D囉﹐但係外國人好多自己會做翻﹐所以都唔算太貴。同樣之後無幾年一間變兩間﹐都係咁上下set up﹐請埋個property manager﹐直頭唔洗理﹐每個月有固定收入。之前出國兩年無做嘢都係靠收租。

-- 美肌達人大C姐

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-9-11 14:53

tiffant, we need tiffant here, yeah!!!

作者: samsung 時間: 2010-9-11 14:54

what is the point bumping the old thread?
tiffiant 發表於 2010-9-10 19:21

dai c jeh wants you to come in wor...

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2010-9-11 18:35

dai c jeh wants you to come in wor...
samsung 發表於 2010-9-11 14:54

i have no idea who he/she is

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2010-9-11 18:36

tiffant, we need tiffant here, yeah!!!
samsung 發表於 2010-9-11 14:53

i'm sorry, buddy,
the real tiffiant is dead!

作者: mukmuk2 時間: 2010-9-11 19:39

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作者: samsung 時間: 2010-9-11 22:53

i'm sorry, buddy,
the real tiffiant is dead!
tiffiant 發表於 2010-9-11 18:36

hello fake buddy tiffiant, we all love you

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2010-9-12 00:29

hello fake buddy tiffiant, we all love you
samsung 發表於 2010-9-11 22:53

thank you for loving me
my body is open to everyone here

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作者: 大C姐 時間: 2010-9-14 21:58

其實好想再講點解大C姐咁鍾意買樓自住﹐確實我遇過太多租屋住嘅困擾問題。

之前講過啦﹐租人哋個單位唔夠年半﹐但係大半年都放緊盤﹐成日俾個agent煩。又要俾D街客登門入室當showroom任人開櫃無晒私隱。

好啦﹐搬屋之前試過有個業主要求我請professional cleaner﹐仲要好"嚟計"話要用lemon oil去抹D廚櫃。最後交樓又好多聲氣﹐又話呢度花左﹐呢度damaged。其實大C姐已經半潔癖﹐竟然有人仲厭尖過我。有D業主傻到租個全新單位俾人﹐祈望收樓果陣仲係全新condition。完全唔會take into account自己收得人租﹐賺得人錢﹐要assume基本風險。就算你唔租俾人﹐自己住都有wear and tear啦﹗雖然﹐租客其實好以死拗﹐個業主亦唔係可以興易去扣起damage deposit﹐不過要wea爛面去同個業主對質都好有失身份囉。

所以呢... 經歷過呢D事之後﹐我無咩必要都唔會租屋住。

-- 靚女租客賤業主嘅大C姐

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