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作者: chobit 時間: 2010-10-18 19:31 標題: Didn't know my tires look so wide

本帖最後由 chobit 於 2010-10-18 19:32 編輯

My set of winter tires came in today from tirerack.

For winter tires, my rear tire size drop from 295 to 265, but both looks very wide, especially when they are out from the car.

My previous STi had 225, then I went up to 245 which was already pretty wide...!

Anyway, here I some photos I took today when changed my tires.

作者: spoonek4 時間: 2010-10-18 20:27

continental雪呔﹖

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-10-18 20:45

295? should C4S 305? yours is C4S, not C2S, right?

Did you just get snow tire, or wheel/tire package?

SO nice to live in US .. tire price is like 40% less....

作者: chobit 時間: 2010-10-18 21:21

The previous owner changed them from 305 to 295 because the 295 has a little more thread to start with. As for my snow tires, they are sottozero series II, and I bought them with Wheels. They are anything great and light, but looks pretty good. Total for less than $1700 wheels + tires-

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-10-18 21:22

Just ordered winter tires from tirerack.com last night as well.

作者: peter236 時間: 2010-10-18 23:13

Just ordered winter tires from tirerack.com last night as well.
fibbi 發表於 2010-10-18 21:22

What type did you order?

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-10-19 08:38

I was thinking to order winter wheel/tire package from Tirerack too .. but .. ended up selling the car ..

my wife wants new SUV ...

作者: B2L2 時間: 2010-10-19 09:27

Just ordered winter tires from tirerack.com last night as well.
fibbi 發表於 2010-10-18 21:22

Discount tire direct is a bit cheaper than TireRack these days usually since it has free shipping.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-10-19 09:31

回復 8# B2L2

Yes, checked that out too. But discount tire has less RIM to choose from. And the base price is a lot more expensive (maybe 30-40% more) to begin with. So it ends up around the same.

作者: B2L2 時間: 2010-10-19 09:42

I see. I'm ordering winter tire this week too. TireBuyer is $4 cheaper than DiscountTire on what I want but I haven't deal with TireBuyer.com before.

Sorry for being off topic, chobit.

My skinny winter tire is just 185 and it will look like bicycle tire if I put it next to yours 295.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-10-19 09:53

回復 2# spoonek4

I ordered Continental as well. Tirerack says it can be either made in Germany or US...some how I was hoping it's US then I can save 8% duty... >_<

作者: shutterbug 時間: 2010-10-19 11:19

I was thinking to order winter wheel/tire package from Tirerack too .. but .. ended up selling the ...
Catpiano 發表於 2010-10-19 08:38

Want a new SUV already? What's wrong with the fairly new one?

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2010-10-19 12:16

I usually do Discount Tires if I am going to drive the car down and have the wheel mount/etc all done down in the states.

If I am going to do the mounting/install, etc up here I just ship stuff from Tirerack to a postal place across the border, pick them up and pay full tax on them when crossing the border.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2010-10-19 12:16

Want a new SUV already? What's wrong with the fairly new one?
shutterbug 發表於 2010-10-19 11:19

Don't even know which car he's replacing... can never keep track... LOL

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-10-19 22:49

Don't even know which car he's replacing... can never keep track... LOL
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2010-10-19 12:16

SB and you are playing me again?

Just another Camry for myself, and Santa Fe for my wife ja wor ..

作者: cremedelacreme 時間: 2010-10-19 23:31

Where do you guys go to install tires? Any recommendation?

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-10-19 23:34

Locally, I'd go to Advanced Automotive in Richmond (on No. 6 Road). It is not a big shop, but Johnny and his staff do some really excellent work!

-Lik

作者: cremedelacreme 時間: 2010-10-19 23:36

Locally, I'd go to Advanced Automotive in Richmond (on No. 6 Road). It is not a big shop, but Johnny ...
Lik 發表於 2010-10-19 23:34

May I ask how much do they charge for installing tires, and doing alignment? Thx

作者: chobit 時間: 2010-10-20 03:18

Yeah.. I used to go there too!! but only for Alignments!

Where do you guys go to install tires? Any recommendation?
cremedelacreme 發表於 2010-10-19 23:31

作者: B2L2 時間: 2010-10-21 15:33

Johnny used to have a website, I can't find it anymore. 4-5 years ago, a 4-wheel alignment was about $90 if I could remember.

For mounting tires, I used to go to Teamwork and cash price was $10ea if I brought the wheels in. However, I think they closed. Anyone confirm this? I don't know where is a good place to mount tires now. Maybe, NTW.. not sure how much.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-10-21 15:44

When I went to Advanced last year or the year before (can't remember la), a 4-wheel alignment was just over $100 after tax. I know they do tire mounting, but I don't know how much they charge for that.

-Lik

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2010-10-21 20:15

Those are not tires, those are rotors! !LOL I know you don't have a choice, just like my boss's G37S, 20" rims means when it snows, car stays home.

Wide tires are not good winter tires, I hope you are not driving them when snowing... haha... I have the same problem too, and the guys at Volco just keep nagging me about running 225/45/17 Blizzak in the snow is simply creating problems for myself. :-)

I know that snow tires are different than winter tires, so when I pick my Blizzak, I chose performance over snow traction.

Philip

作者: chobit 時間: 2010-10-21 23:24

Nah.. I don't mind driving in the snow.. I already down size to 265 from 295, the front is 235.. so I'll see.

I think traction on 265 snow should be better than all season narrow tire...., ! My STi was on 225, and it was ok..

and I mistaken the rotor as tire occassionally...!!

Those are not tires, those are rotors! !LOL I know you don't have a choice, just like my boss's G37S ...
pkphilip 發表於 2010-10-21 20:15

作者: cremedelacreme 時間: 2010-10-21 23:36

Sorry to ask this stupid question. Do you think I need to buy a snow tire if I have a 4 wheel drive SUV? I have a set of brand new all seasons on now, but since everyone is saying this winter is gonna be a lot of snow, do you think I will be safe with my all season tires on my SUV? or shall I change to a new sets of winter/snow tires for this winter? many thanks!

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-10-21 23:46

To my limited knowledge...4 wheel drive makes you easier to start the car from snow...but snow tires have better friction on snow so you will be easier to "stop" the car ....有錯請指教。。。

To me, it's always better to have snow tires...

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-10-22 07:16

本帖最後由 Catpiano 於 2010-10-22 07:17 編輯

No no no no .. ( to few of about )

SUV/AWD .. pretty much do nothing to snow driving, but depends on tire ..

Seattle/Vancouver .. of course to me, are not cities with snow anyway ..

Many Luxury SUV nowadays, come with SUMMER PERFORMANCE tire, so they are not for winter/snow driving anyway. ( ~ -20c / 2 feet of snow ) check your tire! (usually 20 inch and up, are just summer tire)

Say AWD on 911, has nothing to do with snow, but to make the car a bit easlier to drive, compare to the extreme heavy rear end RR design.

wider winter tire can still offer great traction/control, all 3 set of our winter tire, are 265 and wider, and I am driving on REAL SNOW during winter .. (could be -50c/3 feet of snow!)

Well, any winter tire/driving question, just ask me!

~20 yr snow driving CP.

作者: cremedelacreme 時間: 2010-10-22 14:37

No no no no .. ( to few of about )

SUV/AWD .. pretty much do nothing to snow driving, but depends ...
Catpiano 發表於 2010-10-22 07:16

Thanks Catpiano! Sorry I'm still confused. Yeah, my suv came with summer performance tire, but I just recently change a new set of all seasons tire on my SUV (thinking it would be better for winter time), so do you think it will be better if I buy a new set of winter tires? Or shall I just keep this one? Would it be safe lets say if the snow condition this year would be similar as 2008?

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2010-10-22 14:56

get snow or all-weather tires (e.g. Nokian WR2) , peace of mind

作者: B2L2 時間: 2010-10-22 15:59

回復 27# cremedelacreme

If I were you, I will just stay with your recently new 4-seasons. If there are couple days with that much snow as 2008, just park the car and stay home.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-10-22 16:06

Winter tires will always do better in cold weather conditions than summer tires ga la, and you'll never hear from me against recommending a set of winter rubber for winter driving, esp when this winter is supposed to see a lot of snow.

But... if you were to ask me, a 4WD/AWD with brand new all seasons should be adequate for most of the worst snow storms Vancouver will ever see, including ones similar to what we had 2 years ago. The key is to exercise extra caution and take things slow. But you want to do that anyway regardless of whether you have snow tires or not.

-Lik

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-10-22 17:02

In Vancouver? all season + awd SUV is more then enough ..

Of course, winter tires will offer BETTER stopping distance on ice ..

However, driving winter tires on dry pavement, also will creat more noise, less traction, and wear out quicker ..

Yes, for 2 or 3 snowy day in Vancouver, winter tire is better, but how about the rest of 362 days??

作者: cremedelacreme 時間: 2010-10-22 20:52

Thanks very much for all the great advice. Now I feel much better, and I will just keep my all seasons tire for this winter, and drive with extra cautious. Thanks guys!!

作者: chobit 時間: 2010-10-22 22:29

本帖最後由 chobit 於 2010-10-22 22:46 編輯

IMHO, I think winter tires are better choice and would be money well spent.

That's unless you only stay within Richmond, where everything is 100% Flat, and avoid snow driving most of the time.

There are different types of Winter tires, Some are maximize for deep snow & ice, while others are maximize for light snow, rain/wet road condition similar to what we get in the Pacific NW.

For example, my previous Dunlop M3 (new replacement are callled Dunlop 3D) are performance winter tires, which are designed for very good dry weather traction, but excellent water/rain, and good snow/ice conditions.

Since you can save some milage from using your summer or all season during winter with your winter tires, your regular tires would last you longer.  In the end, they aren't really costing that much more than driving with just your summer or all season.

Catpiano.  While many people think that winter driving is not that bad in Vancouver, I totally disagree.

Alberta is very cold in the winter, but it also keep the snow very dry and powder like instead of turning into ice quickly, then snow are clean-up by trunk before it gets a chance to turn into ice.  While in Vancouver, snow/rain usually get melt during the day, then form a good layer of ice overnight, and they are cleanup for at least a week.  The amount of traction is just less with these black ice with a good layer of water sits on top.

It is easier to get yourself going + easier to control on AWD w/good traction control, but weak tires still wouldn't cut it, especially when it comes to stopping.
Check out this link from tire rack comparing summer/all season/winter tires on ice:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=116

At the end of the day, your winter tires can probably save your car from a costly accident.  Getting out of control in slow speed hitting a curb would probably cost you a rim, control arm or alignment, and that cost more than a set of winter.

Again, I don't claim to be an expert, but years ago, when I still have my Jeep Grand Cherokee, I would purposely driving anywhere with snow locally in Vancouver, or go 4x4 off road in the mountain with fresh snow, and ice, etc..!  (Using BFG all Terrain Tires only).  Then, once I get a chance to put on some snow tires on my 06 Subaru, I can already see night and day difference with snow tires, I highly doubt I would ever drive in the winter w/o winter tires.

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2010-10-22 22:37

This winter will be worse than before, winter is longer and colder, and expect more snow. I think this year is the year to get some tires.

Philip

作者: chobit 時間: 2010-10-22 22:45

本帖最後由 chobit 於 2010-10-22 22:58 編輯

Here is some good info about M+S tires vs Snowflake symbol: http://www.tirerack.com/winter/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=125

Also found this site with a review on summer/all season/winter tires test on not just snow, but hot dry & wet condition.

http://autos.aol.com/article/tire-technology/

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-10-22 22:49

Thanks very much for all the great advice. Now I feel much better, and I will just keep my all seasons tire for this winter, and drive with extra cautious. Thanks guys!!
cremedelacreme 發表於 2010-10-22 20:52

Still, knowing that this winter is gonna be especially wintery (and quite possibly snowy), my recommendation is still to go pick up some winter tires la.

-Lik

作者: chobit 時間: 2010-10-22 23:23

BTW, here is my other theory.

Let's say the amount of traction goes from 0-10 (higher is better)

An average driver can maintain their driving pretty well in all condition with traction index of 5.
index of 8 of above you can push the car pretty well
index of 3 it's very difficult to drive

On warm/dry condtion: All tires provide enough traction
summer = 10
all season = 9
winter = 8
Note: Anyone can drive well since the worst winter tires still provide enough traction for easy driving.

On warm/wet condtion:
summer = 8
all season = 7
winter = 7
Note: Anyone can drive well since the worst winter tires still provide enough traction for easy driving, but you don't push the car as much in the corner.

On cold/dry
summer = 5
all season = 7
winter = 7
Note: Anyone can drive well since the worst winter tires still provide enough traction for easy driving

on cold/wet
summer = 4.5
all season = 6
winter = 7
Note: Summer tires no longer provide good enough traction, but all season and winter tires still provide enough traction for easy driving.

on cold/snow/ice
summer = 0
all season = 2.5
winter = 3.5
Note: Summer tires simply don't work, all season provide some traction, and even winter tires won't allow easy driving, because it's far more difficult to drive in the snow/ice condtion.

So, my big idea is, any tires can probably proforms relatively well in any condition, but cold/snow/ice, which even with the best fitting tires, still isn't easy.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-10-22 23:47

From my racing experience, summer tires are still grippier in both the cold and the wet than all seasons down to around 6 or 7 deg C. Beyond that, I have no personal experience with whether summer or all seasons would be grippier, although it should be obvious that the colder it gets, the more advantageous all seasons will be over summer rubber.

Additionally, in warm and dry conditions, winter tires just fall flat on its face. Instead of being a summer = 10, all season = 9, winter = 8, it is more like summer = 10, all season = 8, winter = 5.

Also, in snowy/icy conditions, winter tires are vastly superior to all seasons la. Every tire test you can find will tell you exactly the same thing.

-Lik

作者: chobit 時間: 2010-10-22 23:52

本帖最後由 chobit 於 2010-10-22 23:55 編輯

yeah.. u r right about hot/summer with winter tires.. =D Thanks!!

and summer tires at 7C/44F is exactly what the minimal rating on summer tires. Once it get down to around 5c or below.. it does get very hard, and slide quite a bit..! That's kind of what we have in the winter here in Vancouver/Seattle...! 2-4c in the morning.. for many months..

From my racing experience, summer tires are still grippier in both the cold and the wet than all sea ...
Lik 發表於 2010-10-22 23:47

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-10-23 07:37

Still, the fact is, even at 7c or 5c, no matter summer or all season tire, still offer SOME/not bad traction .. then once down to -5c or -10c (you guys dont need to worry about -10c) then summer tire become very very low traction, even not much snow/ice, but all season still offer not bad traction .. and winter tire are doing well.. ^_^

Then from -10c to -20c, pretty much zero traction on Summer tire, and low/OK traction on all season.
Ok, when down to -20c to -30c .. forget about summer tire, even all season tire, very low traction, much better with winter tire..

-30c to -40c ? Summer tire = hockey puck, and all season, not much better, even winter tire, quite low traction..

Ha ha .. -40 to -50c? usually lots of snow as well, even winter tire, need to good/aggressive one ...

- 50c, even -60c and before? who else has driven in that cold weather? starting could be a problem for most cars ...

even with winter/snow tire, need to be very careful, and know what you are doing ...

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2010-10-23 17:31

Honestly I am quite afraid to drive when the ground is frosty in the morning with my summer tire... and I will have them changed to winter soon. (when I get the time)

Philip

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2010-10-24 14:11

Still, the fact is, even at 7c or 5c, no matter summer or all season tire, still offer SOME/not bad ...
Catpiano 發表於 2010-10-23 07:37

I work in Minnesota sometimes, where it's as cold, if not colder, and as much snow, if not more, than Calgary. Nobody even sweat about winter tires there. Snow's just so dry that even my rental's crappy tire provided excellent traction.

Vancouver is about ice and wet snow driving, very dangerous stuff. Because of the mild temp and lack of serious powder volume, people tend to under estimate Vancouver's winter road conditions. This misconception often causes big mistakes!

When speccing out winter tires for Vancouver, try paying more attention to attributes pertaining to ice driving opposed to snow driving. Stuff like how well the tire digs into snow, how well it clear snow out of it's tread, or even very low temperature performance isn't really as critical for Vancouver driving.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-10-24 14:38

Aiya .. my friend has been living in Minne for year..  winter there .. not near as bad here la.. ( she was from Edmonton )

Actually, in Edmonton, witner driving isn't that bad, as most the time, -20c or lower, and pack of snow ..

Problem for Calgary, as one of the worst witner driving city, since it could be -30c one day, then + 2 or 3 degree the next day, (snow melt, water/ice all over) then back to -30c the day after, and snow .. etc and etc ..

Which means ..  could be PURE ICE under snow, then ice, then snow, then rain .. on and on ..  very tricky!

I drive in Vancouver once a while, it isn't that bad, (to me) however, you dont know who is the C9 in front of behind you! (similar problem here too!)

As you said, it is important to pay more attention, and more alert ... try to look ahead at least 4 or 5 cars ..

作者: B2L2 時間: 2010-10-24 22:41

Still, knowing that this winter is gonna be especially wintery (and quite possibly snowy), my recom ...
Lik 發表於 2010-10-22 22:49

For cremedelacreme case, having a set of summer tire, a new set of all-seasons and then go with another set of snow? My recommendation is still stay with all-seasons and park the car when condition isn't right.

作者: blowfish 時間: 2010-11-15 18:39

those tires didnt look too many grooves for winter, u need channels for water or snow to displace or sink in so u have good contact with the ground.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-11-16 17:50

- 13 ... 20cm of snow ..

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-16 18:10

- 13 ... 20cm of snow ..
Catpiano 發表於 2010-11-16 17:50

normal or early?

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2010-11-16 18:18

last evening.. still many Porsche RR/MR, Ferrari, Lambo, Aston etc on the roads..... few hr later .. all white ... 20 cm snow .. - 13c ... lol

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