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作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-1 08:38 標題: 飯鐘

http://inews.mingpao.com/htm/INews/20101101/gb12155c.htm
飯鐘一溜都係食自己㗎啦

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-11-1 09:06

That's not quite right. At least it doesn't work to me...

BTW, I just wonder if workers in HK can pause what they are working when they are having break just like here...

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-1 09:23

That's not quite right. At least it doesn't work to me...

BTW, I just wonder if workers in HK ca ...
lo_pak 發表於 2010-11-1 09:06

do you claim meal penalty if you are already pay to break?

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-11-1 09:41

大家樂呢壇野今次已經搞臭晒自己個朵啦。更重要嘅係，今次又再一次顯露出政府同啲大財團係幾咁偽善。

-力

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-1 09:43

大家樂呢壇野今次已經搞臭晒自己個朵啦。更重要嘅係，今次又再一次顯露出政府同啲大財團係幾咁偽善。

-力 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-11-1 09:41

開源節流係對股東嘅交代

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-11-1 09:44

Btw...my lunch hour is not paid...

I'm expected to work full 8 hours... but required to stay in office for 9 because of the 1 hour lunch.. >_<

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-11-1 09:49

The Labour Standard in BC does not include
paid lunch break, just coffee breaks.
Oops, we might, if we vote for NDP

作者: LOK 時間: 2010-11-1 09:55

我就未試過食飯時有糧出。
公司對僱員好，慢慢變咗老奉。
如果咁憎份工，應該搵過第二份。如果搵唔到第二份，咁就代表呢份工已經係你喺市場上可以搵到最好嘅工。
自己唔去增值，你喺市場上嘅價值亦唔會增加，公司點解要升你職或加你人工?
如果你自我增值咗，公司又冇表示，你應該可以搵過第二份好啲嘅工。

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-1 09:56

From day 1 I come out to work, meal hour is not paid and I love that cause I always get penalties when I was not having my meal break at the designated time frame.

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-11-1 10:34

There is nothing wrong with Cafe de Coral not giving paid lunch breaks. I certainly wasn't criticizing them about that. What I was getting at, and what I was slamming them for was how pretentious they were.

你係要縮皮、諗縮數就最少認咗佢。夠膽做、又唔夠膽認。又要威、又要帶頭盔，唔該你去PK啦～

-力

作者: Guy 時間: 2010-11-1 11:18

The Labour Standard in BC does not include
paid lunch break, just coffee breaks.
Oops, we might, if ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-11-1 09:49

HINT: we will get one soon...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-11-1 17:43

大家樂呢壇野今次已經搞臭晒自己個朵啦。更重要嘅係，今次又再一次顯露出政府同啲大財團係幾咁偽善。

-力 ...
Lik 發表於 2010-11-2 01:41

咁都可以拉埋政府落水?

好野wor. 你抽水成功了...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-11-1 17:48

你係要縮皮、諗縮數就最少認咗佢。夠膽做、又唔夠膽認。又要威、又要帶頭盔，唔該你去PK啦～
Lik 發表於 2010-11-2 02:34

乜有人唔認咩? 記者會都開埋, 佢地點唔認自己扣飯鐘呀? 比d logic 好唔好?...

大家都知大家樂呀陳生諗縮數, o係最低工資既合法情況下去減低人工既開支. 作為一個生意人, 有咁既諗法真係完全冇問題架wor.

而家最大既問題, 唔係話有人諗縮數, 而係話佢身為最低工資委員會既一份子, 神又係佢, 鬼又係佢.
不過, 佢做野d 咁小家既野, 慳得果百零萬, 搞到大家樂image 差哂, 呢d 咪叫做得不償失law.

作者: zoids 時間: 2010-11-1 20:35

飯鐘一溜都係食自己㗎啦
sheep 發表於 2010-11-1 08:38

It's not in law doesn't mean it's right to take advantage of the poor employees. My current job and my last one include the meal & break times.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-1 20:40

It's not in law doesn't mean it's right to take advantage of the poor employees. My current job ...
zoids 發表於 2010-11-1 20:35

normal work hrs for a five day week is 40.
How many you have?

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-11-1 20:57

咁都可以拉埋政府落水?
好野wor. 你抽水成功了...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-11-1 17:43

我又幾時抽佢水呀？你自己都識得講，個陳乜鬼係最低工資委員會裡面嘅人，咁又算唔算係同政府有關？係我拉埋政府落水，定係本身已經有關係？

乜有人唔認咩? 記者會都開埋, 佢地點唔認自己扣飯鐘呀? 比d logic 好唔好?...
大家都知大家樂呀陳生諗縮數, o係最低工資既合法情況下去減低人工既開支. 作為一個生意人, 有咁既諗法真係完全冇問題架wor.

而家最大既問題, 唔係話有人諗縮數, 而係話佢身為最低工資委員會既一份子, 神又係佢, 鬼又係佢.
不過, 佢做野d 咁小家既野, 慳得果百零萬, 搞到大家樂image 差哂, 呢d 咪叫做得不償失law.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-11-1 17:48

同埋，我真係覺得MJJ你嘅閱讀同理解能力都好有問題囉。佢太刻薄就哽係要認自己扣飯鐘薪金啦，佢所唔認嘅係諗縮數，而且仲要扮晒大仁大義咁話對員工好同只係配合政府嘅最低工資條例，仲要拉埋人地麥記、美記等等不溜都唔俾飯鐘錢，又明明有工人張糧單人工低咗都講大話話唔會俾員工有收少過九月份糧。講咁多野全部都係藉口啦～

啲人憎佢偽善呀！呢啲咪叫做又要威、又要帶頭盔囉！枉你個MJJ仲要幫佢口話唔係！

-力

作者: FiChai 時間: 2010-11-1 21:30

The Labour Standard in BC does not include
paid lunch break, just coffee breaks.
Oops, we might, if ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-11-1 09:49

Yes this is right. And HK even worse, cuz they don't have paid coffee breaks! LOL

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-1 21:36

Yes this is right. And HK even worse, cuz they don't have paid coffee breaks! LOL
FiChai 發表於 2010-11-1 21:30

Just want to correct the wrong informtion Somewhereintime gave you. No requirement for "paid coffee break" according to BC employment standard. Employers are not required to give either coffee or lunch breaks. They can ask employees to work 8 hours continously as long as they pay and employees agree to do as asked.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-11-1 21:53

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2010-11-1 21:57 編輯

回復 18# rockypath

yes and no. That clause must be verbal and will not appear in the contract for 99.9%, if it goes to court you are making yourself into trouble... you better review your info in "details"...

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-11-1 21:57

回復 15# sheep

The provision of coffee break is to encourage productivity and morale.
I cannot believe staffs who work 8 hours straight without break would
perform well.
But then, lots of workers in Chinatown or Indian farms never have
coffee break or minimum pay. I've never pay any staff below industry
average wage or taking away their legit right, i.e. coffee break or holiday
pay.

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2010-11-1 22:01

大家乐睇死你中国人唔团结咯，一盘散沙
中国人该忍唔忍，自己拿来衰

团结D 一起罢工，瘫痪你大家乐，睇下边个死先

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2010-11-1 22:03

回復 20# somewhereintime

You are smart, you know that rather than spend a bit more and complete can save you from "great" trouble...

For Rock case, it definitely cannot work on union jobs, that's commit suicide with a dinosaur's mind...

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-11-1 22:04

They can ask employees to work 8 hours continously as long as they pay and employees agree to do as asked.
rockypath 發表於 2010-11-1 21:36

Moron, do a little more homework before you come out and spew your nonsense la:

http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=24

Am I entitled to a break?
Your boss has to give you a meal break of at least 30 minutes after you work 5 hours in a row. If you're required to be available for work during your meal break, it has to be counted as time worked. Employers are not required to provide coffee breaks.

-Lik

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-11-1 22:25

我又幾時抽佢水呀？你自己都識得講，個陳乜鬼係最低工資委員會裡面嘅人，咁又算唔算係同政府有關？係我拉埋政府落水，定係本身已經有關係？
Lik 發表於 2010-11-2 12:57

咁好多人都關政府事啦... 政府邀請各界別既人參與制定最低工資既委員會, d 委員就算係政府既人嗎? 是但啦, 呢點唔同你拗, 反正你係必勝的, 因為香港差唔多所有人都同香港政府有關.

同埋，我真係覺得MJJ你嘅閱讀同理解能力都好有問題囉。佢太刻薄就哽係要認自己扣飯鐘薪金啦，佢所唔認嘅係諗縮數，而且仲要扮晒大仁大義咁話對員工好同只係配合政府嘅最低工資條例，仲要拉埋人地麥記、美記等等不溜都唔俾飯鐘錢，又明明有工人張糧單人工低咗都講大話話唔會俾員工有收少過九月份糧。講咁多野全部都係藉口啦～

唔知係我閱讀同理解能力有問題, 定係你表達能力有問題. 我提議你下次講清楚少少, 就當係比有問題既小弟可以有多d 資訊去明白冇問題既你所講既野啦~ 至於諗縮數, 生意人有邊個唔去開源節流丫. 只係佢地PR 低能, 覺得拉埋其他人落水就令人信服, 佢地竟然冇留意自己既boss 係最低工資委員會既一份子, 身份有所不同.

點都好啦, 法律上大家樂真係冇錯. 小弟只係覺得佢地今次可能因小失大. 而家周圍都係快餐店, 搞個全民擺食大家樂, 應該行得通. 即管睇下故事會點發展落去仲好啦~

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-1 22:30

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-11-1 22:58 編輯

回復 rockypath

yes and no. That clause must be verbal and will not appear in the contract for 99. ...
lo_pak 發表於 2010-11-1 21:53

I do not get what you want to say. Employers are not legally required to pay either lunch or coffee breaks and they can legally ask employees to work 8 hours straigh according to the labour standard in BC. That is what I want to correct the wrong information someone gave you.

What the unions demand are not neccesarry legally requried.

Did I make myself clear?

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-1 22:38

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-11-1 22:41 編輯

Moron, do a little more homework before you come out and spew your nonsense la:

-Lik
Lik 發表於 2010-11-1 22:04

Moron Lik. Please read the clause CAREFULLY again if you have the ability to do so. Haven't I told you as long as the employers pay and emloyees agree to do so (not affecting their health)?

Now, can you tell me what the clause says again, moron?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-2 08:30

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2010-11-2 08:31 編輯

Employers are not legally required to pay either lunch or coffee breaks and they can legally ask employees to work 8 hours straigh according to the labour standard in BC. That is what I want to correct the wrong information someone gave you
rockypath 發表於 2010-11-1 22:30

This is even more clear

Am I entitled to a break?

Your boss has to give you a meal break of at least 30 minutes after you work 5 hours in a row. If you're required to be available for work during your meal break, it has to be counted as time worked.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-2 08:38

News tips for AM1470?
芝姐都有上來？

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-2 09:20

回復 28# sheep

Why don't you call the labour board and tell us the answer you get?

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-2 15:36

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2010-11-2 15:37 編輯

回復 sheep

Why don't you call the labour board and tell us the answer you get?
rockypath 發表於 2010-11-2 09:20

http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=24
this is where I got the above info.
Lik's link
open your eyes and mind

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-2 15:37

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2010-11-2 15:38 編輯

回復 sheep

Why don't you call the labour board and tell us the answer you get?
rockypath 發表於 2010-11-2 09:20

http://www.workrights.ca/content.php?doc=24
understand?

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-2 15:56

回復 31# sheep

If you do not understand English, ask someone who does to explain what it means to you.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-11-2 17:33

you guys should....

Contact the Employment Standards Branch by calling the toll free Information Line at 1 800 663 3316 or (250) 612 4100 in the Prince George area.

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-11-2 19:26

http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries ... _96113_01#section32

Meal breaks

32 (1) An employer must ensure

(a) that no employee works more than 5 consecutive hours without a meal break, and

(b) that each meal break lasts at least a 1/2 hour.

(2) An employer who requires an employee to work or be available for work during a meal break must count the meal break as time worked by the employee.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-11-2 19:59

根據(2), 之話只要僱員同意, 佢地可以唔take meal break, right?
其實呢度有冇member 既 meal break 得果半粒鐘咁少?

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-2 20:06

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-11-2 20:09 編輯

I guess people only want to see what they want to see and ignore the rest. Yes, the law says employees are entitled to meal breaks, but it also provides the option for employers to require employees to work through the meal break and it needs to be counted as work time.

How many time do I have to repeat that? The law must allow rooms for adjustment and there are many situations that is necessary for employees to work through their meal breaks (will the employers break the law if they ask you to do so?) If you do not understand that, then I have nothing to say except tell you to call the labour board for confirmation.

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-11-2 21:11

i would say 50% (to be fair) of CHINESE EMPLOYERS they would BREAK THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-11-2 21:13

根據(2), 之話只要僱員同意, 佢地可以唔take meal break, right?
其實呢度有冇member 既 meal break 得果半 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-11-2 19:59

some people willing to give up their half an hour break and leave half an hour early

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-2 21:22

i would say 50% (to be fair) of CHINESE EMPLOYERS they would BREAK THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!
habitrailspace 發表於 2010-11-2 21:11

I just correct the wrong information someone gave regarding coffee and meal breaks under the current BC employment standard, but not to discuss how many Chinese employers would break the law.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-2 21:27

some people willing to give up their half an hour break and leave half an hour early
habitrailspace 發表於 2010-11-2 21:13

why not? I am happy to have the option to do so. If the law does not allow the employers to do that, then I have to stay half hour longer even though I am willing to work through my meal breaks.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-2 21:30

回復 36# rockypath

FROM DAY 1 我已經話你線性思維
每一次你講野
就再一次印證我無睇錯你
而家係講緊飯鐘係有薪定係無薪
一溜飯鐘都係冇薪嘅
而有薪嘅飯鐘
老闆就有權叫你開工
你就唔好話呢個係你私人時間
因為係你自己賣咗俾你老闆

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-2 21:37

回復 rockypath

FROM DAY 1 我已經話你線性思維
每一次你講野
就再一次印證我無睇錯你
而家係講緊飯鐘係 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-11-2 21:30

From Day One I already said you do not understand English and that is one of the reasons you cannot comprehen what I said.

Didn't I repeat at least three times in this thread telling you and other people that I just provide the corret information to correct the WRONG information someone told you?

Do you have the brain to understand what I said?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-11-2 21:56

回復 rockypath

FROM DAY 1 我已經話你線性思維
每一次你講野
就再一次印證我無睇錯你
而家係講緊飯鐘係 ...
sheep 發表於 2010-11-3 13:30

線性思維都好過我唔思維啦...

其實我都唔方便討論時薪既野, 因為我咁大個人, 計時薪既日子就只有我幫人補習既日子. 就算係暑期工, 都係月薪的... 你地果邊係唔係時薪居多?

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-11-2 22:40

回復 43# mcjohnjohn

Hourly wages for part time.
Annual salary for full time...

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-2 23:03

回復 mcjohnjohn

Hourly wages for part time.
Annual salary for full time...
fibbi 發表於 2010-11-2 22:40

Not necessary. I know many people who work full time get paid by hourly rate including myself in my previous jobs.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-11-3 00:04

Not necessary. I know many people who work full time get paid by hourly rate including myself in m ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-11-3 15:03

我成日都覺得時薪既工人一係低層(大家樂果d), 一係就係freelance.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-11-3 07:48

回復 43# mcjohnjohn

Never got hourly rate in HK,
I used to make HK $6,000 /month in 1976.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-11-3 07:51

回復 46# mcjohnjohn

I do freelance assignment on contract,
a lump sum amount instead.
Works out to be $100 - $250 per hour

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-3 09:17

回復 mcjohnjohn

I do freelance assignment on contract,
a lump sum amount instead.
Works out to be ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-11-3 07:51

Do not BS in front of me again.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-3 09:20

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2010-11-3 09:22 編輯

我成日都覺得時薪既工人一係低層(大家樂果d), 一係就係freelance.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2010-11-3 00:04

I think it is pretty common to get paid by hourly rate here if you are not management level.

Of course, some jobs would be more common to get paid by salary such as IT programmer.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2010-11-3 09:50

From what I know, IT jobs, bank job, accountant related field, all paid annual salary for full time. Other job types I'm not too sure. And of course, there are always exceptions.

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-11-3 09:57

some jobs paid by hourly rate, full time, get statutory holidays and pension too

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-11-3 10:06

全港罷食係最好的對抗方法

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-11-3 10:12

本帖最後由匿名於 2010-11-3 10:13 編輯

飯鐘一溜都係食自己㗎啦
sheep 發表於 2010-11-1 08:38

係丫﹐但係他們用黎回應最低工資就顯得好卑鄙﹐好低莊﹐唔係咩﹖

若一向這樣﹐無人會出聲。。。
也許他們只是實行不在適當時機﹐當權者缺乏心思。

雖然不認同 1470 昨日中午小心白痴李所講﹐咩“食少餐鮑魚飲少支紅酒響返度”﹐呢D說話真係好 C9﹐好白痴。。。但係的而且確﹐一個機構要開源節流有幾萬種方法﹐點解要選一個最會引起回響﹐最令人反感的﹖係唔係個 CEO 欠缺智慧呢﹖

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2010-11-3 10:17

Yes, they can ask to lower rent, or pay less management bonus instead. hehe.

係丫﹐但係他們用黎回應最低工資就顯得好卑鄙﹐好低莊﹐唔係咩﹖

若一向這樣﹐無人會出聲。。。
也許他 ...
匿名發表於 2010-11-3 10:12

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-3 10:21

係丫﹐但係他們用黎回應最低工資就顯得好卑鄙﹐好低莊﹐唔係咩﹖

若一向這樣﹐無人會出聲。。。
也許他 ...
匿名發表於 2010-11-3 10:12

呢樣就係理性同感性嘅區別

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2010-11-3 10:55

If a company can't even pay their worker at 28HKD, it should just close its doors.  End of story.
If costs of living cannot be earned by working, some forms of social assistance will be needed to make ends meet for the workers.  And who is paying for these?  Taxpayers. What they are doing is just to shift their business costs to taxpayers.
In our case, it is even worse.  This company makes huge profit, but scam their employees and ask for corporate welfare with a straight face.

But the bad publicity is going to costs them alot more.  And It is just bad business sense.  Very stupid management.  There is better ways to milk the employees, just let go a few workers and have 2 employees works for 3 people work.  Unpaid overtime, uniform cleaning costs, late for work penalty, cash retainer for cashiers, trial work, no pay training.  There is a million ways to do the same thing and no one would question them.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-11-3 14:30

回復 52# habitrailspace

Many Chinese retaurant chefs makes over 70K annually, some hotel chefs I know makes over 100K.

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2010-11-3 15:23

回復 habitrailspace

Many Chinese retaurant chefs makes over 70K annually, some hotel chefs ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2010-11-3 14:30

how do i start as a hotel chefs

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2010-11-3 17:10

Do not BS in front of me again.
rockypath 發表於 2010-11-4 01:17

some 叔係同我傾計, 細路仔唔好搭咀啦~

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-3 18:12

some 哥響我面前吹水，細路仔唔好搭咀啦~

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-3 19:58

some 哥響我面前吹水，細路仔唔好搭咀啦~
rockypath 發表於 2010-11-3 18:12

鐘易 FRENCH KISS 呀？
口水好味呀？

作者: Lik 時間: 2010-11-3 20:52

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作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-11-4 01:09

回復 59# habitrailspace

In Hong Kong, you have to get European working experience,
local trained chefs do not get near as much pay and very difficult
to get promoted to Executive level.
In Canada, you have to get Canadian Red Seal, then Certificate
Chef de Cuisine, then Master Chef, then CFE.
I got all of the credential since 1984, and I used to make $100K
in 1986 as Executive Chef for a Golf Course before I relocated toFoodservice director.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-11-4 01:15

回復 60# mcjohnjohn

Blowing water, yes.
BS-ing, for what?
About 10 LYKs know me in person,
a recent assignment 1.5% of $4M project

作者: rockypath 時間: 2010-11-4 01:57

回復 65# somewhereintime

Just want to confirm are you saying you just get paid by 1.5% of a $4 million project (in Canadian dollar)?

Don't make me to say too much.

Just to want to ask - how would you find the time to work on those multi-millions project (if they exist) and how many hours a day you spent on this forum for the past few years?

It is best for you just do not BS in front of me and I won't kick your bud for no reason.

作者: sheep 時間: 2010-11-4 07:46

回復 somewhereintime

Just want to confirm are you saying you just get paid by 1.5% of a $4 millio ...
rockypath 發表於 2010-11-4 01:57

sour grape

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2010-11-4 11:49

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2010-11-4 11:53 編輯

回復 59# habitrailspace

There is an Chef position opened DT Vancouver for a mid range restaurant
80 K per annum plus benefit to start.
Requires the qualification I mentioned yesterday,
Red Seal cert etc.
I've been teaching Red Seal Program for 15 years. Head-Hunting Agencies charge the employers 20-30% of the
chefs' annual salary.

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