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作者: KittyLeung74 時間: 2011-1-12 09:35 標題: 居民抗議UBC建善終醫院

憂屋價跌怕影響子女健康

卑詩大學（UBC）擬在校園興建善終醫院（St. John Hospice）。該院地點接近住宅區，引起一些居民不滿，說憂慮屋價下跌、入住末期病患或影響及年幼子女健康。有華裔住戶周二專程到《星島日報》投訴校方此議；而參加周二諮詢會議者，逾九成是華裔。UBC回應指善終醫院不會影響屋價，稱將與住戶充分溝通。

剛搬入同一幢柏文的移民張揚表示，她兩個月前以130萬購入一單位；如果善終醫院就建在旁邊，肯定令屋價大跌。她說，部分買家本周得悉擬興建善終醫院消息，已經要求地產經紀取消購屋合約。

張揚又表示，她的小孩才10歲，已經談死色變，得知住家旁邊未來或天天有人會死，嚇得睡不著覺，飯也吃不下：「這絕對與中國人的風俗文化相違背。」

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作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-12 09:36

well Chinese traditions are garbage

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2011-1-12 10:07

This is total non-sense!!!

Ms 張揚, it's about time for you to teach your kid about death.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-1-12 10:15

Very reluctant arguments...

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-1-12 10:19

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作者: Guy 時間: 2011-1-12 10:28

All these people are very selfish.....

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-1-12 11:06

就係有太多呢啲咁嘅「中國人」，簡直響成個主流社會面前映衰晒所有華人。而且，呢一類超級自私想法並非如fy789所講，特別響老人家身上所見。

以呢位張揚阿太來講，如果佢個女先得果10歲，照計個阿媽（亦即係呢位張揚到爆嘅阿太）應該只係得卅至四十零，就算俾到盡都應該未夠50，點計都係壯年，但係一樣係超級蒙塞。

-力

作者: KittyLeung74 時間: 2011-1-12 11:31

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作者: peter236 時間: 2011-1-12 13:21

well Chinese traditions are garbage
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-1-12 09:36

Are you sure all those who protest are Chinese people?

作者: 嘉嘉 時間: 2011-1-12 13:45

SHAME on those chinese protestants

go UBC go

作者: 匿名 時間: 2011-1-12 13:48

痴線

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-1-12 13:48

Are you sure all those who protest are Chinese people?
peter236 發表於 2011-1-12 13:21

90 plus %

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-1-12 14:56

90 plus %
sheep 發表於 2011-1-12 13:48

Give some proof.

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-1-12 14:58

Give some proof.
peter236 發表於 2011-1-12 14:56

http://news.singtao.ca/vancouver ... 830175d2949400.html

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-1-12 14:59

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sheep 發表於 2011-1-12 14:58

That is not proof at all. You are proving the reverse.
It looks like people from all ethnic groups protested.

中國移民趙剛指出席周二會議的居民並非屬同一幢柏文，而來自多幢多戶的住宅，稱現已收到數百反對者簽名，包括華裔、印度裔、韓裔甚至本地白人。而80歲的印裔居民查卡拉德（Asoke Chaklader）在會上陳詞，強調住在附近獨立屋已經51年，如果興建善終醫院，導致屋價下跌，而每天進出住宅的救護車及運屍車，也將破壞住宅區寧靜。

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-1-12 15:09

回復 15# peter236

有華裔住戶周二專程到《星島日報》投訴校方此議；而參加周二諮詢會議者，逾九成是華裔。UBC回應指善終醫院不會影響屋價，稱將與住戶充分溝通

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-1-12 15:14

回復 peter236

有華裔住戶周二專程到《星島日報》投訴校方此議；而參加周二諮詢會議者，逾九成是華 ...
sheep 發表於 2011-1-12 15:09

國移民趙剛指出席周二會議的居民並非屬同一幢柏文，而來自多幢多戶的住宅，稱現已收到數百反對者簽名，包括華裔、印度裔、韓裔甚至本地白人。而80歲的印裔居民查卡拉德（Asoke Chaklader）在會上陳詞，強調住在附近獨立屋已經51年，如果興建善終醫院，導致屋價下跌，而每天進出住宅的救護車及運屍車，也將破壞住宅區寧靜。

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2011-1-12 15:43

It doesn't matter if it's ONLY Chinese protesting... or not, it's who ever is doing it doesn't unstand life!
You live, you die! Everyone dies. Why can't we just face it?

而每天進出住宅的救護車及運屍車

Is this facility so BIG that everyday someone will die?

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2011-1-12 16:20

there're always 2 sides and im not supporting either

anyone here has a property/living over there b4 you trashing this chinese lady

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-1-12 16:23

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作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-1-12 16:40

回復 20# fy789

It all depends on how many beds are there in the pavillion. Since UBC hospital is not as crowd as VGH, that shouldn't be too bad... Patient occupanies are in the range from a month - 1/2 year, average turnover is +/- 3 months, so 30 beds in 3 months -> 30 patients died in 90 days, 3 days a patient...

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-1-12 17:15

It doesn't matter if it's ONLY Chinese protesting... or not, it's who ever is doing it doesn't unsta ...
布小熊發表於 2011-1-12 15:43

同一道理
你會唔會將你同住年邁嘅有危疾嘅雙親
踢出街
因為你唔想同就死嘅人住得太近

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2011-1-12 18:02

回復布小熊

Hospice hospitals WILL NOT LIKELY to have deaths everyday.

Probably at most a few ti ...
fy789 發表於 2011-1-12 04:23 PM

that's what I expect too. I am just questioning them... but they won't read lyk. @@

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2011-1-12 20:43

I guess it will affect housing prices... since housing is at least partially propped up cuz of Chinese buyers. Any factors that would make Chinese buyers reluctant to buy will affect housing prices. So in a way that part of it is true.

Tho, i'd rather live beside such a place than a real hospital, or a cemetary, or a prison.... I'd think crime and stuff probably lower around such a facility?

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-1-12 22:03

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作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-12 22:04

They said they were afraid for their kid's health. Their reaction is really uncivilized. No wonder they need to send their kid to University Hill Secondary. I hope their kids would not be as backward as their parents.

I hope it won't go onto Vancouver Sun. Really affecting our image in the mainstream.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-12 22:13

The very reason to build a hospice there is actaully to serve this people. So patient's relatives don't have to drive a long way to spend time with their dying relatives. It is a stressful time for everyone, having a nearby hospice really takes the edge out for the family.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-1-12 23:53

Do I like Hospice hospitals to be near my place? Probably not. But I am not strongly against it. Similarly, I don't really like Canada line to be real close to me (afraid of bringing more crime) either. For hospice hospital, as someone mentioned, probably there will be more ambulance or other "cars" to go around. So traffic is just more busy. but Hospice hospitals is not as bad as cemeteries, or funeral house.

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-1-13 00:11

关乎到自己的利益，好正常啊
现实就系咁

没什么shame 可言

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-13 09:32

http://www.theprovince.com/busin ... /4100264/story.html

Now it is in mainstream media. Let see what they said.

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2011-1-13 10:22

Dozens of angry Asian residents of a posh, University of B.C., highrise building aim to stage a placard-waving protest rally to protest a 15-bed hospice being planned next door.

Gee!! It's only 15 beds! So that everyday someone may die is just BS!

Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/busin ... .html#ixzz1AwORdBnb

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2011-1-13 10:24

Looking at the comments... WE (chinese) look BAD.

so sad

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-1-13 10:26

Also the National Post:

http://www.nationalpost.com/Angr ... /4102694/story.html

Yay Chinese~!

作者: chankt 時間: 2011-1-13 10:28

過一排，呢班人之間就會冇乜凝聚力，一chok就散。

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-13 10:34

回復 32# 布小熊

Yes, just want to say they are a very special group of people, 99.999% of Chinese do not like them.

Some parents are trying to get their kids to University Hill Secondary, I don't think I like my kids to be around with a bunch of morons like these. Sad.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-1-13 13:08

Those residents are just over reacting, I believe most of them are new immigrants which doesn't get used to Canadian custom that well...

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-13 13:49

They know the Canadian culture alright, otherwise they wouldn't know they need to take this to the UBC boss

http://www.theprovince.com/news/videos/index.html#ss11IFv_FRJ81eSz9K2o4Z4gYIOeNAbW

作者: slamdunk6 時間: 2011-1-14 22:15

shame on these mainlanders

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-1-14 23:42

本帖最後由 kingkong123 於 2011-1-14 23:49 編輯

shame on these mainlanders
slamdunk6 發表於 2011-1-14 22:15

唔通香港人中意住医院同殡仪馆隔离？

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-1-14 23:59

讲到尾。两个原因

一，系风水问题，一定系有影响。中国几千年文化，没可能没根据
二，系市场问题，今时今日买得起大学西区楼的只有中国人。本地所谓的主流今时今日只能望假轻叹。所以楼价一定被影响

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-1-15 00:42

回復 39# kingkong123

Hospital is ok. Funeral house is no good...same as cemetery.
But for a 15 bed hospice...I won't object it as much.

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-1-15 09:45

本帖最後由 kingkong123 於 2011-1-15 09:47 編輯

回復 kingkong123

Hospital is ok. Funeral house is no good...same as cemetery.
But for a 15 b ...
fibbi 發表於 2011-1-15 00:42

点都好啊，影响楼价是一定的，因为买家只有中国人給得起这个价，如果有个hospice在隔离，九十万一个单位，跌一成都死啦

如果过你系屋主，心都凉晒啦

买楼的人一定在乎hospice 在旁边，中国风水习俗虽然好多人觉得老土，但是系有她的根据，几千年的文化哦，西方的文化只是区区几十年

勘儒学讲，置业不应靠近政府机构，医院，消防局， ambulance，殡仪馆

我觉得加拿大既然是多元文化社会，这些屋主有这些诉求好正常。就好似白人，唔中意13 中国人唔中意14

作者: soli 時間: 2011-1-15 10:12

金剛呢次都算講句人話﹐現在重點是樓價會大跌﹐UBC之前話起研究室﹐但變做起善終醫院。

LYK 好多人真係雙重標準既self-hating chinese﹐白人做既話就是應該﹐中國人做的就是羞恥。
前幾年﹐溫哥話要起咩愛滋病屋﹐咩安全注射屋﹐選去邊D居民都反對﹐當年LYK大部份都撐反對既居民。
我說﹐如果不喜歡﹐最多咪搬﹐但班LYK(力仔在內)就話樓價會跌搬唔到之類的。

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-1-15 10:16

就係有太多呢啲咁嘅「中國人」，簡直響成個主流社會面前映衰晒所有華人。而且，呢一類超級自私想法並非如fy ...
Lik 發表於 2011-1-12 11:06

力少，今铺，我就唔系甘同意你的意见了

既然加拿大是多远文化社会，这些人就有权力根据他们的个人价值观去表达自己的意见，你唔可以讲他地在主流社会映衰华人，他们有他们的价值观，什么是重要，什么不重要。
点解华人一定要随社会主流？加拿大不是多元文化社会吗

中国自有上下五千年的文化，就有风水，这不只是一个文化，不可能全盘否定，西方文化才区区几多年？

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-1-15 10:24

金剛呢次都算講句人話﹐現在重點是樓價會大跌﹐UBC之前話起研究室﹐但變做起善終醫院。

LYK 好多人真係雙 ...
soli 發表於 2011-1-15 10:12

我几时讲野都好公道
不过今次我都觉得你讲野似返个正常人，唔似拿左五毫子

你发表甘多谬论，今次都算系有D 头脑。 赞同你的意见

你的比喻做得对，既然有权利反对安全注射屋，为什么不可以反对hospice？
每个人都有他们的价值观，唔可以双重标准，只准州官放火不准平民点灯

作者: jh66 時間: 2011-1-15 12:45

中國文化唔係尊老愛幼嗎?為什麼要抗議?

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-1-15 13:43

中國文化唔係尊老愛幼嗎?為什麼要抗議?
jh66 發表於 2011-1-15 12:45

没错啊，尊老爱幼，但问题是直接影响到自己的荷包，系势都假啦

如果你买层楼九十万，买翻来后，由于非整体市场原因的人为造成跌价一两成，你话你肯唔肯？你肯吗？没甘伟大瓜？？？

我今日问了好多朋友假设性的问题，如果过你家对面，开间hospice 你会买个层楼吗？

我问了10个人，每个都话要尽量避免，尽可能唔买。你话有嚒话好讲？现实就是现实

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-1-15 15:41

力少，今铺，我就唔系甘同意你的意见了

既然加拿大是多远文化社会，这些人就有权力根据他们的个人价值观去表达自己的意见，你唔可以讲他地在主流社会映衰华人，他们有他们的价值观，什么是重要，什么不重要。
点解华人一定要随社会主流？加拿大不是多元文化社会吗

中国自有上下五千年的文化，就有风水，这不只是一个文化，不可能全盘否定，西方文化才区区几多年？
kingkong123 發表於 2011-1-15 10:16

今次問題嘅核心係，風水+錢銀緊要，定係惻隱之心（compassion）緊要呢？

呢個世界的確係有好多野科學無辦法解釋（就正如點解有咁多賤人爭住去舔阿爺屎眼一樣），但依我之見，班友堂而皇之咁搬風水出來，話會影響到啲乜乜七七其實都係多餘。講到尾其實都只不過係擔心樓價會跌，自己間屋會唔見咗一舊錢。但其實醫院傍邊嘅屋價會唔會跌或者低過其他地方，我哋睇吓 VGH、兒童醫院附近等等就好清楚。

我特別想用 Canucks Place Children's Hospice 來做一個例子。Canucks Place 就正正坐響 Shaughnessy Heights，點計都係一個貴價地段。但響 Shaughnessy Heights 一帶嘅屋又有無跌價？Shaughnessy Heights 一帶嘅居民，又有幾多係反對 Canucks Place 為於果度呢？

既然我地可以對小朋友有惻隱之心，點解對病危嘅人唔可以攞返同樣嘅心情出來對待佢地？

-力

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-1-15 17:21

本帖最後由 kingkong123 於 2011-1-15 17:30 編輯

今次問題嘅核心係，風水+錢銀緊要，定係惻隱之心（compassion）緊要呢？

呢個世界的確係有好多野科學無辦 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-1-15 15:41

今时今日，老实讲西区的楼只有大陆人买得起，我都好想住西区，没银弹买条毛吗！
没办法这个就是事实。西区的主要客路就是大陆人，只有大陆人先有实力买得起

讲到 “風水+錢銀緊要，定係惻隱之心（compassion）緊要呢” 我只能好市侩甘同你讲，风水+钱要紧。开个hospice，唔系什么原则问题，唔系唔给开，但可以开去其他地方啊

关乎个人利益只能如此，这个就是现实

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-1-15 17:29

本帖最後由 kingkong123 於 2011-1-15 17:37 編輯

今次問題嘅核心係，風水+錢銀緊要，定係惻隱之心（compassion）緊要呢？

呢個世界的確係有好多野科學無辦 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-1-15 15:41

至于 Shaughnessy Heights. 是一个区，基本上都是独立屋，我认为在canucks place的对正的house一定收到影响。而没对住的house影响较少

现在是hospice 就在大楼前面对住，外父甘款，好难唔影响楼价。

当年VGH 和儿童医院，那个时候购买的人本地有钱人买比较多，白人唔介意，风水的问题，但是唐人就唔同肯定有个刺，加上现时西区都是唐人客好难唔影响购买者的意欲。

如果你九十万买入的楼，就算唔赚，返折你唔想啦，何况是跌价。有时都只能想现实低头

抚心自问，好老实讲我都唔会买个度的楼，睇下香港和中国医院附近的楼价同其他地方的楼价就知道啦，中国人最忌甘味野

作者: jh66 時間: 2011-1-15 21:42

没错啊，尊老爱幼，但问题是直接影响到自己的荷包，系势都假啦

如果你买层楼九十万，买翻来后，由 ...
kingkong123 發表於 2011-1-15 13:43

家有一老如有一寶,開間hospice理應是雙喜臨門至係,孔子曰:"老唔老以及人之老,幼吾幼以及人之幼".老人曾為社會創造財富应得到後輩尊敬的,中華民族長期一貫ge傳統博愛思想,理應在異國他鄉發揚光大.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-15 22:24

it's always so easy to criticize others since their money is not yours

作者: jh66 時間: 2011-1-15 22:50

it's always so easy to criticize others since their money is not yours
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-1-15 22:24

當局者迷,旁觀者清.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-15 23:12

Same thing as Chinese were not allow to live in West Van in the past.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-15 23:19

it's always so easy to criticize others since their money is not yours
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-1-15 22:24

It is also easy to criticze if you don't have a dying relative to take care of. Same fracking thing. Blind?

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-1-15 23:27

既然系咁，解决方法好简单

另外择地再建米得咯
一举两得

作者: fongparker 時間: 2011-1-16 10:14

These ladies from Mainland China have lots to learn living in Canada.

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-1-16 10:56

最離譜嘅係有個老母
話佢個女九歲聽到死人話好驚怕見鬼
衰啲講句
如果佢有老人家響彌留之際
中國人都會叫哂老中青嘅親戚去送佢最後一程
咁呢位亞太會唔會唔俾佢個女去見老人家最後一面
而如果老人價嘅心願係見女孩一面
而你又唔想個女以後驚見鬼
會唔會要老人家帶住遺憾咁走呢？

爭取係要有理據
唔好郁啲就話人唔認同你嘅文化
唔包容

響香港紅磡
都唔知幾多人喜歡[觀財]
新界大圍日日見對面山一個個[金塔]執咗骨嘅骨埕

又如何？

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-1-16 11:01

Richmond 二路有間老人院
都唔知幾多人想入去住

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-1-16 13:23

回復 58# sheep

唔系怕鬼，系怕楼价跌，风水差

中国人讲野太过间接，搞到D白人无所适从

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-1-16 17:31

回復 60# kingkong123

咪有嗰句講嗰句囉
你住響嗰度
絕對有權去保障你嘅權利
樓價跌對我有影響
中國人信風水
就如你白種人相信耶穌一樣
你咪講囉
做咩要拉哂啲中國人落水
話人唔包容呢？

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2011-1-16 17:55

This is another case of "not in my back yard". It is nothing to do with the Chinese believe nor 風水

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-16 18:01

It is also easy to criticze if you don't have a dying relative to take care of. Same frackin ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011/1/15 23:19

I always think hospice is a stupid idea.

And on top of that, why would you expect someone else to be willing to lose money because you have a dying relative?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-16 18:02

This is another case of "not in my back yard". It is nothing to do with the Chinese believe nor 風 ...
blue20ae 發表於 2011/1/16 17:55

Yep, and it's the same thing everywhere in the world. As Lik said, if you think otherwise, you are not a human.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-16 19:05

I always think hospice is a stupid idea.

And on top of that, why would you expect someone else to ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-1-16 18:01

Have you been to a Hospice?

Why do you expect people to drive a long distance to use hospice services just because your property value drop?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-16 19:11

Have you been to a Hospice?

Why do you expect people to drive a long distance to use hospice serv ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011/1/16 19:05

so there are two ways to do this

the capitalist way - respect the owners and ditch the idea
the socialist way - fxxk up the owners and put the building there

it's a clash between two fundamentals
there's no right or wrong here

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-16 19:13

Have you been to a Hospice?

Why do you expect people to drive a long distance to use hospice serv ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011/1/16 19:05

and if i were an owner, I certainly DO NOT expect you to respect me. So that's why I would have to fight for myself to have it not built there.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-16 19:17

and to be clear I don't care how this unfolds
it has nothing to do with me

I just don't think you are qualified to criticize the owners since you stand to lose nothing from this

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-16 22:53

so there are two ways to do this

the capitalist way - respect the owners and ditch the idea
the s ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-1-16 19:11

should we respcet the wrong or fucxk the right? or reverse?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-16 23:47

should we respcet the wrong or fucxk the right? or reverse?
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011/1/16 22:53

who is to say what's right?
based on what?

something right for you might be wrong for others
so you are always the right one?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-16 23:53

I seriously think it's fxxked up to spend tons of money on someone who's gonna die in a few months regardless and leave all those children with low quality education and deficient public services. But such is the way society has been developed and I can't care much anymore.

作者: jh66 時間: 2011-1-17 00:55

果d大陸人缺乏人倫道德,仲歪曲中華文化,可憐、可惡、可憎，係地地道道ge民族敗類.

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-1-17 02:35

本帖最後由 kingkong123 於 2011-1-17 02:36 編輯

果d大陸人缺乏人倫道德,仲歪曲中華文化,可憐、可惡、可憎，係地地道道ge民族敗類. ...
jh66 發表於 2011-1-17 00:55

唔好讲大陆人

今日问左一堆香港人同事， 没一个啊，系没一个愿意住在hospice 旁边。

你有么好解释？

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-17 09:39

I seriously think it's fxxked up to spend tons of money on someone who's gonna die in a few months r ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-1-16 23:53

That is incorrect. Your comments tells everyone you don't know what a Hospice is. Yet you have a strong feeling against it.

Hospice costs a lot? Where does that come from?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-17 09:51

That is incorrect. Your comments tells everyone you don't know what a Hospice is. Yet you have a s ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011/1/17 09:39

I wasn't talking about Canada in general. It looks like Hospice is volunteer based in Canada, which is very different from the US.

If it doesn't cost anything in Canada, then what I said doesn't apply. But that's completely off topic.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-17 10:00

who is to say what's right?
based on what?

something right for you might be wrong for others
so y ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-1-16 23:47

Discriminating people based on something a person has no control is wrong. You can quote me on this one.

If we disallow dying people to choose where they can live. We will need to disallow Chinese, women and ugly people to choose

Would you want to go back to the days when Chinese people are not allowed to live in W. Van?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-17 10:17

Discriminating people based on something a person has no control is wrong. You can quote me on thi ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011/1/17 10:00

Nobody is discriminating against them. This is an economic issue, not a political or social issue. If the gov is so rich, they can just cover all losses the owners have to suffer and build the hospice on the same site. Or, if you have money, you can just hire personal caretakers and don't even need to go into a hospice.

So yes, we are discriminating against those who are poor, not those who are dying.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-17 10:19

回復 75# 快樂牛郎

In a Hospice, there is no treatments for the disease, and no doctors on duty. Part of the reason to have Hospice because it is a cost-saving measure. With one nurse you can take care of 10+ patients. (I think a doctor only comes 2 mornings within a week.)

These people just need a warm and quiet place to pass the last few days of their lives.

It is sad if made every decisions based on property values.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-17 10:39

It is sad if made every decisions based on property values.

I think it's sad that the government can just screw you over because they want to.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-17 10:40

回復快樂牛郎

In a Hospice, there is no treatments for the disease, and no doctors on duty. Part ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011/1/17 10:19

you forgot to include the cost of facility

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-17 10:46

I think it's sad that the government can just screw you over because they want to.
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-1-17 10:39

Again, who is the who you are referring.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-17 10:51

本帖最後由 Look4chrisng 於 2011-1-17 11:00 編輯

you forgot to include the cost of facility
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-1-17 10:40

In fact, dying people costs less. Because they no longer need resources when they died.

Since you are after the dollars and cents, yet you can't get your numbers straight?
There will be less facility to build, since Hospice free up spaces in Hospital.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-17 11:04

In fact, dying people costs less. Because they no longer need resources when they died.

Since y ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011/1/17 10:51

what about they just die in their homes? even less resources

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-17 11:15

what about they just die in their homes? even less resources
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-1-17 11:04

NO.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-17 11:30

NO.
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011/1/17 11:15

i would like to see the calculations

作者: eddie 時間: 2011-1-17 13:42

最離譜嘅係有個老母
話佢個女九歲聽到死人話好驚怕見鬼
衰啲講句
如果佢有老人家響彌留之際
中國人都會叫 ...
sheep 發表於 2011-1-16 10:56

Since they are living in a high rise/ condo
Do they allow anybody die in their building?
Kick them out before they die so there will not be any ghost/haunted in their building

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2011-1-17 13:59

It is sad if made every decisions based on property values.Look4chrisng 發表於 2011-1-17 10:19 AM

It's sad but at least that's an honest claim!!
The reason why this attracted so much media reports and discussion is because of ALL the other EXCUSES they brought up to cover their fear of lossing $$$.
If they just protect about fear on drop of property value, I won't have anything to say against them.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-17 14:17

i would like to see the calculations
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-1-17 11:30

You are not interested in calculations. Let's leave it at that.

Go back to discussions about why rangefinders are better then DSLR.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-17 14:27

Every time people on this board are asked to provide data/numbers, they digress.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-1-17 16:09

1k per person, 15k per mo. Land stay in public domain doing public services.

If there is no cost benefit over any other ways, do you think our Gov would be interested?

And do you know how much it costs to have a person dead at home?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-1-17 16:13

1k per person, 15k per mo. Land stay in public domain doing public services.

If there is no cost ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011/1/17 16:09

No I don't
and if the gov only does things that are the most cost effective, it's not a gov anymore

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