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作者: miga 時間: 2011-1-31 10:08 標題: 想換車有乜好意見 ?

我揸左十幾廿年日本車, 依家想換過架, C250/300 4MATIC 同埋 323i/328i, 佢兩個牌子既車價錢都差唔多, 但係Mercedes車箱內既設備都好似好D豪華D, 仲係4MATIC, BMW就好似簡陋左D, 所以就想問下大家有乜好意見.

作者: icing 時間: 2011-1-31 10:25

Different driving experience BMW and Benz, u better go try it out. BMW should have better handling but Benz should be smoother and more comfortable

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-1-31 10:34

C Hing, are you looking to buy new or used sin? And what sort of features / capabilities do you look for in the car?

If you are looking to buy used, I would tread very carefully because long term reliability is not any German car's forte.

On a different note, have you considered Volkswagen? As far as interior is concerned, they are among the best (if not the best) in the industry. Naturally, they are also not as expensive as BMW or Mercedes. Models with the 2.5L I5 engine are mechanically reliable, and as long as you keep the options list relatively short, you wouldn't have to worry too much about electronics breaking down either.

-Lik

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2011-1-31 11:07

本帖最後由 ACC-HE 於 2011-1-31 11:23 編輯

Ng try Audi??

A4 / S4?
http://www.drivingtelevision.tv/?cid=935&brand=Audi

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-1-31 11:08

One thing I like the C300 is that it comes with bluetooth connectivity built in to radio system.
It may not support every cell phone but the major ones are supported. On the other hand, BMW is better handling as Icing mentioned, but I feel the interior is smaller than the C-class.

作者: miga 時間: 2011-1-31 17:10

Different driving experience BMW and Benz, u better go try it out. BMW should have better handling b ...
icing 發表於 2011-1-31 10:25

兩款車都試過, 你講得啱mercedes係舒適好多.

作者: miga 時間: 2011-1-31 17:16

C Hing, are you looking to buy new or used sin? And what sort of features / capabilities do you look ...
Lik 發表於 2011-1-31 10:34

想買新的, Volkswagen未試過, 揾日去試下, 同埋試試ACC-HE講既A4 / S4.

作者: miga 時間: 2011-1-31 17:19

One thing I like the C300 is that it comes with bluetooth connectivity built in to radio system.
It ...
fibbi 發表於 2011-1-31 11:08

不過323i/328i都係RWD, 落雪個陣會5會容易冼呔D.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-1-31 17:22

回復 8# miga

C300 is also RWD, same as 323i/328i.
For BMW they have the "xi" option....Benz has the 4-matic option.

I think all you need is the SNOW TIRE...unless u live on the hill..

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2011-1-31 17:43

A4 has front wheel (w/ stupid CVT) or quadro (with 8-speed tiptronic FTW!)

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2011-1-31 18:58

As far as German car goes... want sporty go BMW, want luxury go Mercedez, want pretty go Audi, want value go for VW.

And...

If you can afford a car close to 50k, 4WD or not, do everyone a favor and buy your self a dedicated set of winter tires. I think this generation of German car is pretty good overall. You can't go wrong with any of the above choices IMO. Go with your heart and enjoy your new car~

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-1-31 19:11

Additionally, think about how long you intend to keep the car. (We're only looking at BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and VW here.)

If you only intend to keep the car for 3 - 4 years, I would just lease any of them. It'll cost you more, but you'll have a completely painless "ownership" experience with no surprise expenses since everything is covered under warranty.

If you plan to keep the car for 4 - 7 years, buy the 7 year extended warranty, and go enjoy the car. Little things will probably start breaking in the 4th year, and more stuff will require attention as the car ages. Once extended warranty runs out, start thinking about selling / trading the car in before the next big repair rears its ugly face.

If you plan on keeping the car for more than 7 years, go with a simpler Volkswagen with fewer bells and whistles. The car will still drive well, and the repairs will at least be affordable.

-Lik

作者: miga 時間: 2011-1-31 22:48

thank you 各位巴打意見同資料

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2011-2-2 11:37

thank you 各位巴打意見同資料
miga 發表於 2011-1-31 22:48

how do you deal with your old car? will you post it here to resell it or trade in?

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-2 11:40

thank you 各位巴打意見同資料
miga 發表於 2011-1-31 22:48

都有好多私事打幫手

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2011-2-3 00:36

One of my white co-worker loves Audi like crazy, he tells all of us that Audi is the best, etc...

Lately, he has been suggesting us to take the new 2011 Buick Regal for a run because that car was built up to German standard (I think German standard means how Germans pick their cars with lots of high expectations). It is a rebadge of the Opel Insignia in NA.

I did some brief research and found that Opel/GM has been running that car quite a bit in Nurburgring during the pre-production phase. So if my understanding is correct, if cars are extensively tested for performance in Nurburing, that means the car has to be up to par.

Philip

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-3 12:07

That Buick Regal is a very nice car. It totally feels like a German machine because it is -- it is designed and engineered by Opel -- GM's relatively independent branch in Germany. The only downside about that car is that it is a little on the heavy side, but that's probably inline with similar cars in the segment.

The 2.0T or GS trim would be even better, with it's 260-ish hp turbo charged Ecotec engine.

It is definitely worth a look.

-Lik

作者: miga 時間: 2011-2-3 13:00

都有好多私事打幫手
sheep 發表於 2011-2-2 11:40

甘多謝埋D靚到dum一聲既私事打

作者: miga 時間: 2011-2-3 13:02

how do you deal with your old car? will you post it here to resell it or trade in?
habitrailspace 發表於 2011-2-2 11:37

i'll go for trade in my old car, 都十年車囉.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-3 13:03

i'll go for trade in my old car, 都十年車囉.
miga 發表於 2011-2-3 13:02

Private sale will net you a much better price, but of course, it'll take longer and more work on your part.

-Lik

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2011-2-3 15:42

本帖最後由 habitrailspace 於 2011-2-3 16:09 編輯

one of my friend was planning to buy an acura tsx a few years ago. when he tried to trade in his volvo 940 95 the dealer offered him $500 (was it too low?); the car was in mean condition. he was so mad ended up he didnt buy the car.

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2011-2-3 16:37

one of my friend was planning to buy an acura tsx a few years ago. when he tried to trade in his vol ...
habitrailspace 發表於 2011-2-3 03:42 PM

well, volvo's resale value is low.
And trade in value for 10+ years cars are bad as well.
They won't even want to take in my car back then.

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-3 20:48

one of my friend was planning to buy an acura tsx a few years ago. when he tried to trade in his vol ...
habitrailspace 發表於 2011-2-3 15:42

$500?
四條呔都唔止呢個數啦

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2011-2-3 22:14

$500?
四條呔都唔止呢個數啦
sheep 發表於 2011-2-3 20:48

that's why he was so mad

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2011-2-3 23:44

Just guts the parts and sell them individually on CL.

Philip

作者: chobit 時間: 2011-2-7 22:55

IMHO
BMW = Best handling, feedback, real sport sedan, not as luxury
Audi = Good handling, decent feedback, good luxury, and pretty LED Daytime running light if you like the look
Benz = Least handling, minimal feeback, great luxury, status
VW = inexpensive alternative, it was never on my list.

Finance vs Lease:
Lease may yield lower monthly payment, but it cost alot more for total owership.  If I remember correctly, your down payment doesn't save you on (interest) money factor.
http://www.leaseguide.com/Glossary/money-factor.htm
because the money factor is base on the amount before the down payment.
Lease amount is base on the the residual value.  The lower the residual value, the more you end up paying on the lease.  So, car with better resale value may yield better over lease total expenses.  Jap better than Euro.
If budget is limited, I highly recommend you to check out some Certified Pre-owned.  Most CPO warranty is just like the original warranty offer by the car manufacture.  In some cases, the warranty is stackable.  Eg. if a 2011 car comes with 3 years warranty, CPO offer 2 years warranty.  Then a 2009 of the same car would give you 1+2= 3 years warranty.
If you are patient enough, you may find something that has low milage (like new) local car available.
I am personally driving a 06 Porchse C4S which I bought just 6 months ago.  Purchase with only 13K miles with 2 years CPO warranty.  I am probably saving $40K.
Have fun shopping for your next car =D

作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2011-2-8 11:05

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作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-8 14:55

I quite like the C class look ..

But ... can't stand the interior ...

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-2-8 16:47

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作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-8 17:09

回復 fibbi

Snow Tires will NOT save you if you drive a RWD in winter icy and snowy road
condition ...
fy789 發表於 2011-2-8 16:47

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY ???

It is actually the other way around ar c fu!!

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-8 17:37

回復 fibbi

Snow Tires will NOT save you if you drive a RWD in winter icy and snowy road
conditions. Buy a AWD or 4WD instead !!!!!fy789 發表於 2011-2-8 16:47

笑咗～

唔能識野就學吓咩叫做「獻醜不如藏拙」啦，笨實～

-力

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-2-8 18:10

真係咪講笑，呢啲咁基本嘅嘢連我對車無乜研究都曉。
FWD／AWD應該係喺雪地上容易啲起步，不過停唔停到始終都係靠條雪呔。有錯請指正。

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-2-8 18:10

回復 28# Catpiano

The current generation of C class Interior is ok wor...I think it's better than BMW or Audi ..

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-9 02:06

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-2-9 02:10 編輯

笑咗～

唔能識野就學吓咩叫做「獻醜不如藏拙」啦，笨實～

-力
Lik 發表於 2011-2-8 17:37

You should be more polite to other LYKs here.

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-2-9 10:57

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作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-9 11:10

C fu, you can say THAT mustang is not good on snow for you ... but ALL RWD are no good on snow ar ...

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-2-9 11:19

回復 35# fy789

落好大雪，就乜都死。租車有無check清楚雪呔嘅condition？仲有無呔痕剩？就算雪呔都有好多種啦。
我就認為RWD 加雪呔點都好過FWD加普通呔。

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-2-9 11:27

回復 36# Catpiano

人哋鐘意兜咪尤得人哋兜囉。

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-9 11:53

It is ... like ..

Lik gor went to call chicken .. and then he got AIDS ..

But then we can't say all chicken has aids ga ma ..

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-2-9 11:56

回復 39# Catpiano

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-2-9 12:07

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作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-2-9 12:12

回復 41# fy789

What I want to say is that snow tire is more important than whether the car is AWD/FWD or RWD.

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-2-9 12:22

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作者: fy789 時間: 2011-2-9 12:33

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作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-9 12:47

人哋鐘意兜咪尤得人哋兜囉。
fibbi 發表於 2011-2-9 11:27

x2

lol~

-Lik

作者: MSN04 時間: 2011-2-9 13:03

I had a FWD car with ABS and 4-seasons tires and it stopped as good as, if not better than my other RWD car with snow tires on, but NO ABS, in heavy snowy days when I was living in Utah and Colorado.fy789 發表於 2011-2-9 12:22

I have to disagree with you on this one...
I agree that for stopping a car, it doesn't really matter that much whether it is FWD, RWD, or AWD.
But, I don't think that ABS is adequate to compensate the difference between snow tires and all season tires in snow.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-9 13:22

回復 fy789

What I want to say is that snow tire is more important than whether the car is AW ...
fibbi 發表於 2011-2-9 12:12

Hey Hey! Bingo! You are right!

Try a 911 RWD with good snow tire vs a Range Rover with 24" summer rubber on REAL SNOWY day!

作者: chobit 時間: 2011-2-10 12:20

本帖最後由 chobit 於 2011-2-10 12:25 編輯

Without asking High quality + good condition snow tires would be my #1 item when it comes to snow driving vs FWD/RWD/4WD.  Provided with same snow tires, then that AWD with traction control would be much easier to drive than both FWD and RWD.

My snow driving experience with RWD was not so good.  It was my 99 Miata with snow tires.  I was down a 2% grade hill, in 2nd gear at slower speed than most other cars already, but the engine braking in the Rear wheel was enough to break loose twice.  I drove the same road many times with my AWD Subaru at much higher speed with ease. I think the engine braking happen more even to all 4 wheels help big time for overall balance to the car.
It may also has to do with the fact that there is more traction at the front when going down hill, therefore, with most front engine car where weight is already at the front, the rear would provide alot less traction then the front which then allow the rear end to break loose much earlier.  As I read more about Porsche 911 on the forum during this winter, I learn that the Rear Engine RWD setup actually work very well in the snow, because the extra weight in the back.

As long as you have snow tires, AWD/4WD would be easier to drive than FWD, while FWD is easier to drive than RWD in most cases.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2011-2-10 14:29

回復 fibbi

What I responded to your #9 post is that snow tires are good but not guarantee
to save ...
fy789 發表於 2011-2-9 12:22

Point is moot...

The contenders mentioned, BMW, Audi, Merc, VW, even the Buick, all have TCS and VSA/DCS, etc... In fact, I don't think they sell any cars in Canada without ABS nowadays....

When it comes down to snow tires vs AWD. AWD helps you get moving, won't do sh_t when you are trying to stop or turn. Snow tire is what's been ordered. This is physics, not up for debate like some anti-China/anti-Western discussion. Learn the fact, save yourself and save others. Drive safe.

作者: miga 時間: 2011-2-10 15:04

前幾日終於去試左車 C300 4matic / 328xi, 兩部車都好好揸, 超正 !!! 不過 C class 既 Interior 真係好過架BMW, C300考慮中....................

作者: chobit 時間: 2011-2-10 16:21

Provided with the same amount of traction from the tires and road conditions. 4WD/AWD would help not only to keep your car moving, but it will help putting power from the engine to the road where it needs, so that your car will also turns better at turns. Afterall, you now have 4 tires vs 2 to control where the engine powers go. So, it's not wise to dismiss the additional traction control provided by AWD or 4WD.

I don't try to be an expert, but with 4 years of 4x4 off road expereince, and owing 5 modern AWD for the last 10 years. I do know enough about 4WD/AWD/4x4

Point is moot...

The contenders mentioned, BMW, Audi, Merc, VW, even the Buick, all have TCS and ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2011-2-10 14:29

作者: chobit 時間: 2011-2-10 16:29

Good for you. I did test drive a 328xi back in 2008. The automatically transmission seems abit slow when get the car to go from stop to move. It's like there is a delay of .5s before it responses to the gas pedal, but once it started moving, you can tell it's good.

But then driving in Vancouver is far too diff. than where I live now (Seattle). So, I am sure both cars will serve you very well.

前幾日終於去試左車 C300 4matic / 328xi, 兩部車都好好揸, 超正 !!! 不過 C class 既 Interior 真係好過架 ...
miga 發表於 2011-2-10 15:04

作者: MSN04 時間: 2011-2-10 16:39

Provided with the same amount of traction from the tires and road conditions. 4WD/AWD would help no ...
chobit 發表於 2011-2-10 16:21

我都知呀媽係女人. 鬼唔知 snow tire + AWD 最好咩?

I thought the debate was about RWD snow tire VS AWD (with ABS) all season.

作者: elan7e 時間: 2011-2-10 22:16

回復 50# miga

BMW包換油，good deal.

想請問，日本車每5000km換一次油，歐洲車8000km換一次，為什么BMW可以1600km才換油？掂唔掂？

作者: chobit 時間: 2011-2-10 22:18

Calm down my friend. I was trying to reply BiscottiGelato, since he mentions AWD is no use for cornering & braking , but car moving only.

回復 miga

BMW包換油，good deal.

想請問，日本車每5000km換一次油，歐洲車8000km換一次，為什么BMW可 ...
elan7e 發表於 2011-2-10 22:16

作者: chobit 時間: 2011-2-10 22:22

To be honest, not AWD are design the same. But I pick good snow tires on RWD over average AWD + average OEM all season tires.

我都知呀媽係女人. 鬼唔知 snow tire + AWD 最好咩?

I thought the debate was about RWD snow tire VS ...
MSN04 發表於 2011-2-10 16:39

作者: chobit 時間: 2011-2-10 22:48

本帖最後由 chobit 於 2011-2-10 22:51 編輯

I think your statement on the following are true anymore

Japanese car = 5000km
European car = 8000km
BMW = (16000km) guess u had a typo

(Sorry about the mix of km and miles)

Some Japanese made like Acura doesn't go by the 5000km interval, it uses the computer to analyze the driving style and speed for oid change interval instead, which in our case is around 10,000km average

Some euro car allow 20,000 miles or 2 years interval, which I think should at least be done in 10,000 miles or 1 year.

By previously owned Jeep and Subaru were both using synthetic Amsoil and long interval filter. I kept my Subaru with the recommended interval of 7500 miles because it's a turbo car + modifed and was driven pretty hard. But then, my Jeep was recommend for oil change every 5000km and I was doing approx 15,000km, and the car was sold at around 90,000km. A leak down/compresssion test were done before it was sold, and the engine condition is like new.

So, my conclusion: As long as you go with high quality engine oil and filter, your car would be safe by following the oil change guideline provided by the car manufacturers including BMW.

回復 miga

BMW包換油，good deal.

想請問，日本車每5000km換一次油，歐洲車8000km換一次，為什么BMW可 ...
elan7e 發表於 2011-2-10 22:16

作者: molamola 時間: 2011-2-11 14:55

[quote]Good for you. I did test drive a 328xi back in 2008. The automatically transmission seems abit slo ...
chobit 發表於 2011-2-10 16:29

yeah, the transmission is rather slow in engaging.. and i dont like it at all

作者: hangfat 時間: 2011-3-28 19:38

真係咪講笑，呢啲咁基本嘅嘢連我對車無乜研究都曉。
FWD／AWD應該係喺雪地上容易啲起步，不過停唔停到始終 ...
fibbi 發表於 2011-2-8 18:10

absolutely correct , most people thought awd can do everything in the snow, think twice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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