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作者: AAC 時間: 2011-2-12 11:58 標題: Nikon D700 or D3s ?

用緊D300 加 70-200 zoom VRII / 17-55 f/2.8 影低光室內會議相，多數不能用閃光燈。但發覺在iso 1600-3200 期間 noise 超勁，請問各位高手，如果upgrade 上 d700，效果會否大大提高？又或者儲多些錢，直上D3s，就會一勞永逸？

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-2-12 13:29

use a slower shutter and get a f1.4 prime

作者: FiChai 時間: 2011-2-12 15:58

To maintain a bit more DOF and remain reasonable sharpness in hand held situation, using higher ISO within it's quality range is a good idea. But I'm using Canon, no comments on Nikon though.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-12 16:00

本帖最後由 Catpiano 於 2011-2-12 16:28 編輯

D3s is the best ultra high iso DSLR in the market now ..

However, up to ~ iso 3200, you are not going to see the different between D700/D3/D3s/5DII/1D4 ..

And how often you need iso 3200? taking bullet shoot??

When I was consider D3 and D700 ~ 2yr ago, I picked D700, not just because it is less money, (cost for body is just minor compare to the whole system) as their AF system are identical, exact sensor, same metering system, exact same picture outcome, main different is 8fps vs 9fps, longer shutter life on D3 (300k vs 200K app.) and slightly strong body .. (but doesn't fit me .. )

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-2-12 16:27

To maintain a bit more DOF and remain reasonable sharpness in hand held situation, using higher ISO ...
FiChai 發表於 2011/2/12 15:58

ISO 3200 at f2.8 would be situations where I can't even see your face clearly within 5 feet.

Regarding hand shake, how much shake there is depends on your skill. In a meeting situation, I can't imagine everyone is dancing like Michael Jackson.

作者: FiChai 時間: 2011-2-12 17:12

I don't think ISO3200 is within my mentioned "quality range" though, no matter which camera and model. (that's why it's not me to mention about using 3200! haha) And I don't think any "skillful" person can hand held a camera in 5 secs without any shake (maybe some people said they can, because they haven't blow up the pics to check!). It's not about how skillful the person is, human has limits.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-12 17:17

如果只係需要個藉口來買新玩具嘅話，咁就 go all out，哪哪聲去買咗部 D3s 啦～

如果唔係，其實俾幾廿蚊去買 Noise Ninja 咪算數囉～

-力

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-2-12 17:58 標題: d

I don't think ISO3200 is within my mentioned "quality range" though, no matter which camera and mode ...
FiChai 發表於 2011/2/12 17:12

why do you need 5 secs?

f2.8 at 1/25 is more than enough for most indoor lightings.

and with IS, you can easily shoot 1/10 without shake

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-2-12 18:50

D3s is really another class. File is very clean.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-2-12 20:22

Or just get a flash if it is low light.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-12 21:00

Also depends on the budget, and how "heavy" you want to carry ...

Well, D700+grip is not small or lighter then D3s, however, you have the flexibility to NOT use the grip, nor external flash.

Again, if better high iso performance is what you need, D700 or D3s can do the job .. much much better then D300.

I rarely do more then iso 2000 ... other then taking some sleeping picture of my little baby ...

Plus as Like gor said, if you don't want to use flash nor tripod, and not using a fast lens, and need to shoot at iso .. get some noise reduction software la...

作者: FiChai 時間: 2011-2-12 21:02

why do you need 5 secs?

f2.8 at 1/25 is more than enough for most indoor lightings.

and with IS, ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-2-12 17:58

"f2.8 at 1/25 is enough for most indoor lightings", but may I know at what ISO and if flash is needed?
Unless you only shoot for dead objects (stationary), even with IS, the subject you're shooting may be moving around, which 1/25 you might not have hand/camera shake but may still result a blurry picture.

If people only rely on IS system and fast lens, then I don't think too much skill is needed la.

作者: AAC 時間: 2011-2-12 21:14

本帖最後由 AAC 於 2011-2-12 21:16 編輯

I put my D300 and 70-200 zoom f2.8 VRII on mono pod with MF and slow shutter speed (1/50, 1/30 or 1/25) or handheld if I need to walk around. But some picture blurred when speakers shaking heads or waving their hands. External flash is not allowed in my situation. Sometimes I need to shoot indoor basketball games, slow shutter speed can't help. I prefer to spend less on body but lens, just need to find out if my job requirement is far beyond D300's capability.

作者: AAC 時間: 2011-2-12 21:19

回復 7# Lik

Do I need to shoot in RAW before applying Noise Ninja ?

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-12 21:53

Well .. if it is needed ... with job, then u can consider the 200 F2VR ... not much more then a D3s body ...

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-12 21:57

回復 Lik

Do I need to shoot in RAW before applying Noise Ninja ?
AAC 發表於 2011-2-12 21:19

As always, you'll get a better final product when you shoot RAW la, but even if you were only shooting JPEG, you can still have Noise Ninja process it wor?

-Lik

作者: FiChai 時間: 2011-2-12 23:17

I put my D300 and 70-200 zoom f2.8 VRII on mono pod with MF and slow shutter speed (1/50, 1/30 or 1/ ...
AAC 發表於 2011-2-12 21:14

This is a good example for why IS or VR lens doesn't work in some situations (which many people don't understand). Cuz the subject you're shooting is moving in a faster speed than you set on your camera that can freeze their motion in order to result a reasonable sharp picture. Plus, flash is not allowed, the only solution is to use higher ISO.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-2-13 00:12

I put my D300 and 70-200 zoom f2.8 VRII on mono pod with MF and slow shutter speed (1/50, 1/30 or 1/ ...
AAC 發表於 2011/2/12 21:14

job requirement? then your boss would just buy you the best body out there

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-2-13 06:16

I put my D300 and 70-200 zoom f2.8 VRII on mono pod with MF and slow shutter speed (1/50, 1/30 or 1/ ...
AAC 發表於 2011-2-12 21:14

Then more reasonable solution will be 85 f1.4 lens on D300. 2 stop faster so you can shoot with 2x of shutter speed.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-13 08:38

I like to use 85.4 and love the lens .. but I won't say it is a good lens for indoor sports event la...

282 is one great lens, and the Nikon one is good value too. ^_^

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-2-13 12:29

I like to use 85.4 and love the lens .. but I won't say it is a good lens for indoor sports event la ...
Catpiano 發表於 2011-2-13 08:38

Catpiano: with a corpped. it is pretty long unless you shoot wild tigers. Next one is 135 f2, but you lose one stop. Catpiano, why you have so many lens?

作者: librazhy 時間: 2011-2-13 12:52

可能我又係成日影室內﹐唔開閃光燈影人﹐所以非常明白AAC個SITUATION。首先要聲明我唔係專業攝影師。自己nooblar經驗就係偏愛SET F4 & 1/100S ISO100﹐但好多時D光唔就﹐無計﹐開最大光圈。弊﹐仲係唔夠光﹐上調ISO 200﹐ 400。出黎D相叫勉強OK。ISO 400 FULL SIZE EDIT 相都存在唔少NOISE。點解決﹖又唔可以叫D人FREEZE 幾秒黎比我影﹐有時會think 下係咪如果有部 1ds 就無敵﹖ 因為見過某人居然可以用小光圈拍低一條友凌空飛跳上天踢腿﹐而副相個景深擺明係超細光圈因為超遠既DETAILS都一清二楚。照我理解一係就部機既高iso超強﹐一係就當日有個太陽幫佢。不過老實講副相入面都唔係陽光普照﹐所以我估係高iso 而無noise 既超強威力

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-13 16:48

85mm .. even on crop, not that long for basketball game .. etc la..

Anyway, for Basketball etc game, zoom is still a bit handy gei ..

But problem for 70-200VR II is, it is not a real 70-200 .. it is more like 70-160 ..

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-2-13 17:06

因為見過某人居然可以用小光圈拍低一條友凌空飛跳上天踢腿﹐而副相個景深擺明係超細光圈因為超遠既DETAILS都一清二楚

you could use a wide angle and crop

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2011-2-15 01:11

I heard that D800 is coming out....

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-2-15 15:26

New camera come every month .. D700 is still damn good!

I wonder if Nikon will make a new sensor ..

作者: AAC 時間: 2011-2-21 23:00

阿牛郎哥
我冇boss睇架, 只係義工幫非謀利社團拍乍! 當然亦係自已興趣大, 希望在有限資源下盡做。出部D3s可能仲要供下供下添。好多謝各位的意見。

作者: AAC 時間: 2011-2-21 23:06

其實我都好想知大溫地區，有冇著重學術同實戰的攝影學會？
最好唔係成日飲飲食食，只拍靚模個亭啦。

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-2-22 00:08

其實我都好想知大溫地區，有冇著重學術同實戰的攝影學會？
最好唔係成日飲飲食食，只拍靚模個亭啦。 ...
AAC 發表於 2011/2/21 23:06

there are many photography groups on meetup

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-2-22 09:33

阿牛郎哥
我冇boss睇架, 只係義工幫非謀利社團拍乍! 當然亦係自已興趣大, 希望在有限資源下盡做。出部D3s可 ...
AAC 發表於 2011-2-21 23:00

For non-paid clients, D700 is way more then enough. Some hired gun is only shooting D90/D300, and have very good results.

If you like I can meet up in a lunch hour and tell you want I know, or go out with Brother Cowboy to do some street shooting. I haven't been to photo club. But those guys trend to be shooting films in the past, so they will know more than an average Digital guys.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-2-22 10:37

For non-paid clients, D700 is way more then enough. Some hired gun is only shooting D90/D300, and ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011/2/22 09:33

Not sure about Vancouver, but the meetups I've been to in Seattle have a fair share of both newbies and established photographers. Most of the time you just want to hook up with a couple people who share the same vision and interest as you do and start from there.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-2-22 10:42

For non-paid clients, D700 is way more then enough. Some hired gun is only shooting D90/D300, and ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011/2/22 09:33

It's important to go w/ someone who has a similar approach/style. Sometimes I would stand at a street corner for 20-30 mins waiting for something to happen. A landscape guy or portrait guy would not want to do that.

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