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作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-26 19:41 標題: 中國茉莉花革命, 加大學者稱不成氣候

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-2-26 19:43 編輯

中國茉莉花革命, 加大學者稱不成氣候 (國際)

http://www.singtao.com/breakingnews/20110223b000008.asp

2011-02-23

(三藩市 )(本報記者施秋羽三藩市報道)中國網民日前號召「茉莉花革命」，柏克萊加州大學族裔系榮
譽教授王靈智表示，這起事件應是傚法埃及示威而起，但缺乏客觀條件之下不致於進一步擴大，反觀美
國失業率高、老百姓所希望的改革遙遙無期，因此美國發生革命還比較有可能。

柏克萊加州大學族裔系榮譽教授王靈智指出，近代舉凡特定國家發生大規模群眾運動時，往往會「巧合
地」在世界上其他地區也出現群眾運動，舉例來說，1960 年代美國國內發生大規模的反戰示威潮流，
而中國就有文化大革命，西歐的法國、德國、意大利等地也有人走上街頭，雖然訴求不盡相同，但展示
群眾力量的外貌都是類似的。但王靈智也表示，並不是每個群眾運動都能開花結果，缺乏根本的客觀因
素與需求，運動是無法擴大的。

他感覺，日前埃及的大規模群眾運動成功後，的確已經引起一股模倣的風氣，舉例來說，意大利的婦女
團體過往很少示威抗議，但該國總理爆出性醜聞後卻大張旗鼓上街抗議，而美國威斯康辛州也有數萬
名工會人士上街抗議預算刪減，這都可視為受埃及運動的影響。

致於中國所謂的茉莉花革命，他認為缺乏客觀條件，不大可能成為風潮，「中國並沒有最令人擔心的失
業率問題，雖然官員貪污與食物價格高漲也是問題之一，但終究並非達急迫的程度。」

王靈智表示，反觀美國失業率高，總統奧巴馬提出透過健保改革、金融改革等政策收效不盡理想，與中
國相比，美國發生革命的機率可能還高一些。

正所謂「內行看門道，外行看熱鬧」，中國網友號召茉莉花革命事件傳至太平洋彼岸的三藩市灣區，網路
上的相關報道也吸引灣區網友貼文評論，其中更有人匪夷所思地將矛頭指向與事件風馬牛不相及的三
藩市華裔市長李孟賢，表示事件顯示他日前參加白宮國宴時邀請胡錦濤訪問三藩市是錯誤的選擇，更
質疑李孟賢不幫中國人說話。令人看了不禁莞爾，畢竟茉莉花與李孟賢，兩者之間的關連實在天差地
遠。

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-26 19:44

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-2-26 19:45 編輯

The morons need to learn from this.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-2-26 20:04

我絕對同意中國嘅茉莉花革命同中東嘅有住莫大嘅不同，而 at this point，不滿到會實際參與茉莉花行動嘅人亦只係佔少數。畢竟，因為中國經濟一直火熱，好多人（甚至係大多數嘅平民）生活確實係一直改善緊。呢一點我從來都唔會否認。

而正因為生活一直改善緊，所以共產黨雖然做盡好多不義之事，但只要唔係太離普，人民唔多唔少都會容忍。雖然我並不同意中國人嘅呢一個做法，但我亦唔會否認呢個事實。

但或多或少嘅容忍並唔唔代表無民怨、無民憤。In fact，每一日我地都見到中國大陸民間嘅公民同維權意思慢慢咁甦醒。但從中共對茉莉花革命嘅戒心同所採取嘅行動就可以見到佢地亦絕對相當清楚呢件事，而且內心係為止而幾咁虛怯。

繼「茉莉花」變成敏感詞而無法響網上 search 到，「集會」、「王府井」亦同時變成敏感詞。我想問，響中國大陸裡面嘅 search engine，有邊個字唔係敏感詞呢？

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-27 02:38

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-2-27 02:48 編輯

我絕對同意中國嘅茉莉花革命同中東嘅有住莫大嘅不同，而 at this point，不滿到會實際參與茉莉花行動嘅人亦 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-2-26 20:04

Just rubbish from you again.

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-27 09:09

The morons need to learn from this.
peter236 發表於 2011-2-26 19:44

今次外國勢力響度說三道四
你又贊成？

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-2-27 09:30

中华民族的忍耐力比任何世界上的各民族都要强，系优点也是一个致命的弱点
中国人给共产党害得仲没够惨

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 10:02

The morons need to learn from 中國嘅茉莉花革命

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 10:14

The morons need to learn from 中國嘅茉莉花革命
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 10:02

為老不尊的阿Some,

Why don't you tell people on LYK frankly and directly what you want them to learn from this 茉莉花革命?

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-27 10:20

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2011-2-27 10:22 編輯

為老不尊的阿Some,

Why don't you tell people on LYK frankly and directly what you want them to lea ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-2-27 10:14

石頭爆出來嘅石仔路
你又講啲唔好學' 中國嘅茉莉花革命 '嘅野來聽吓

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 10:23

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-2-27 10:24 編輯

石頭闡出來嘅石仔路
你又講啲唔好學' 中國嘅茉莉花革命 '嘅野來聽吓 ...
sheep 發表於 2011-2-27 10:20

Did I say 唔好學' 中國嘅茉莉花革命? No, I didn't.

However, I would like to listen to what SOME ONE has to say. If SOME ONE has nothing to say, would you mind to fill his place? (maybe I shouldn't have any expectation from an idiot like you).

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-27 10:29

回復 10# rockypath

正因為你每次都係廢噏
就係咩都冇講過
淨係叫 answer me, dare to face me......
你都係講唔到點解唔好學佢

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-27 10:31

Did I say 唔好學' 中國嘅茉莉花革命? No, I didn't.
rockypath 發表於 2011-2-27 10:23

did I miss anything?
So you agree that there is something should be learnt? Right?

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 10:32

That's the way I deal with menace kids

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-27 10:36

回復 13# somewhereintime

為老不尊的阿Some,

Why don't you tell people on LYK frankly and directly what you want them to lea ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-2-27 10:14

為老不尊教壞子孫
咁你唔啱喇

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 10:37

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-2-27 10:41 編輯

回復 rockypath

正因為你每次都係廢噏
就係咩都冇講過
淨係叫 answer me, dare to face me......
你 ...
sheep 發表於 2011-2-27 10:29

如果你真的有料，真的有野講，為何不敢直接回答我的問題反而似只喪家之犬樣走了去？

你完全可以以事實和數據反駁我以證明你們所說的東西是有根有據而不是隨口亂說。

每次都是一句“你的問題不值得回答”或乾脆不回答就逃了去。你們就是一幫白癡無知的無膽匪類。

連為自己說的話都不敢捍衛，還學人講革命。真是不知醜。

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 10:44

回復 2# peter236

Now you ask the evil Westerner to interfere Chinese internal affairs

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 10:45

That's the way I deal with menace kids
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 10:32

Can I have any expectation from a coward like you? No, I don't think so.

連為自己說的話都不敢捍衛，還學人講革命。真是不知醜。

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-27 10:45

如果你真的有料，真的有野講，為何不敢直接回答我的問題反而似只喪家之犬樣走了去？

你完全可以以事實和 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-2-27 10:37

咁似網上翻譯嘅？

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 10:48

咁似網上翻譯嘅？
sheep 發表於 2011-2-27 10:45

你不如將網上講的ｐｏｓｔ出來讓大家看一看。

就像我剛剛說的，你們這幫無膽匪類根本就無膽挺直腰板講話。

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-27 10:57

你不如將網上講的ｐｏｓｔ出來讓大家看一看。

就像我剛剛說的，你們這幫無膽匪類根本就無膽挺直腰板講話 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-2-27 10:48

我係講僅你
打完英文
就去網上翻譯
再post出來
好趣緻

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 11:00

我係講僅你
打完英文
就去網上翻譯
再post出來
好趣緻
sheep 發表於 2011-2-27 10:57

It is for the sake of you guys since you guys seem to have trouble to understand what I said in English and I have to repeat what I said again and again.

Maybe you guys just pretend to not understand what I said and my questions and just ran away?

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 11:02

Not interested in dog-fight with random kids.
The majority of HK citizens and politicians condemn
the stupid budget. Just how long can that idiot insist.Dare to say it is not the truth?

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-27 11:07

It is for the sake of you guys since you guys seem to have trouble to understand what I said in En ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-2-27 11:00

好明顯你唔夠時間去網站翻譯啦
你都係講翻英文啦
容易啲表達自己
你去到中國
都係講英文喇
你會自我感覺良好啲㗎

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 11:08

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-2-27 11:10 編輯

Not interested in dog-fight with random kids.
The majority of HK citizens and politicians condemn
t ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 11:02

Same reaction as usual and as expected.

Aren't you talking about 茉莉花革命？ Why do you be a coward and try to use the HK budget to get yourself away?

Some (same) word to you - 連為自己說的話都不敢捍衛，還學人講革命。真是不知醜。

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-2-27 11:09

Some word to you - 連為自己說的話都不敢捍衛，還學人講革 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-2-27 11:08

Rock speak in English from now on.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 11:11

癡人說夢

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 11:13

Rock speak in English from now on.
sheep 發表於 2011-2-27 11:09

If you guys have the ability to understand what I said (or not to pretend do not understand what I said), it will save me a lot of efforts.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 11:14

癡人說夢
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 11:11

Same reaction as usual and expected.

What a coward!

連為自己說的話都不敢捍衛，還學人講革命。真是不知醜。

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 12:23

Do I really need to answer to silly question again and again?Who do you think you are?
You represent all people in HK?
Or just daydreaming as usual?

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 12:33

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-2-27 12:39 編輯

Do I really need to answer to silly question again and again?Who do you think you are?
You represent ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 12:23

How funny! You told people to learn from 茉莉花革命, and I asked you to to explain to people what you wanted them to learn from this 茉莉花革命. It is a very reasonable question and you should answer it if you truly want people to learn something, shouldn't you?

However, you do not even dare to tell people what you want them to learn. What a coward.

無膽匪類學人講革命，真可笑！

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 13:06

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2011-2-27 13:18 編輯

Keep stumbling and screaming if you like,
I've have enough of the nonsense.You don't even comprehend basic Chinese or English,
just blindly defending the HKSAR and CCP at any occasion.
I did not advocate revolution, I have nothing to do with it.
But what is wrong with the idea of Jasmine revolution anyway?
other than it is something that the CCP do not happy with then
they unleash their dogs to crack down?
Oh, yeah, this is Chinese style democracy, we are free to kill our people whenever
we feel right, and all you Westerner shut up

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 13:22

Keep stumbling and screaming if you like,
I've have enough of the nonsense.You don't even comprehend ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 13:06

Just don't BS anything else.

Just tell people what you want them to learn from 茉莉花革命。

Was it you to tell people to learn from 茉莉花革命, wasn't it?

Gutless coward. 無膽匪類就不要學人講革命。

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-27 13:32

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-2-27 13:35 編輯

回復 peter236

Now you ask the evil Westerner to interfere Chinese internal affairs
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 10:44

You stupid moron. The professor is a Chinese guy.

You illiterate, can't you read properly? Did you read it at all?

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 13:45

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2011-2-27 13:46 編輯

He represents the UC Berkeley,
or he can just use his name.
You are Chinese too, are you communist?

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 13:50

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2011-2-27 13:53 編輯

Just trying to lick the CCP's.
Do you have any support in HK?

I think the idiot is GOING TO AMEND HIS STUPID BUDGET in 2 weeks,
see what you suckers has to say

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 14:12

Just trying to lick the CCP's.
Do you have any support in HK?

I think the idiot is GOING TO AMEND ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 13:50

如果茉莉花革命是由你這樣的無膽匪類支撐，真是中國人的悲哀。

送篇文章比你醒一醒腦。請記住文章的最後一句話－ 這一刻，真要誠心地請求大家必須慎用「革命」這二字，以免辱及一眾先烈。

革命不是散步圍觀
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作者﹕何良懋
繼北非和西亞地區湧現「茉莉花革命」效應，中國有網民「見賢思齊」，通過互聯網發動民眾上街到大城市鬧區或地標建築物附近，或散步或圍觀或喊口號，並且自稱「中國茉莉花革命」。這種事先張揚的上街抗議式「行為藝術」，三兩下手勢就被公安軍警布防而阻截，起事不靈，徒然製造了多天頭條新聞公關效應。
我倒要問問網上「搞事者」，今次「中國茉莉花革命」名堂的確響亮盛大，正義得很，究竟真正要民眾上街「做」甚麼呢？但凡革命，得先公布綱領及打倒目標，繼而有共擁領袖，且行動愈機密愈好，舉事方式往往虛中有實、實中有虛；反觀這次網上發動的「革命」事件，水分實在太多，名大於實，甚至乎名實不副，恐只淪為政治衝動行為。
製造偽茉莉花的「客賓臨」
「中國茉莉花革命」似乎也沒有要求推翻政府（因缺乏革命綱領和追擊目標），也不見行動策略(只靠無政府式「自助」上街)，頂多屬網民臨時起意的即興政治噱頭，旨在以街頭人海現象來混淆公安視聽，乘亂製造一場場偽茉莉花的「客賓臨」（happenings，即興聚眾場合），大概滿足「埃及人能，為甚麼中國人不能」的政治精英心理失衡狀態，多於扳倒現行政權。
我寧願相信，這純粹是互聯網的惡搞新潮，而非一群八十後或九十後壓抑於政治無能感下的精神自慰行為。如以為中國茉莉花革命即等同上街、圍觀其他人群以及喊喊反通脹之類口號，就可像埃及突尼斯那樣改朝換代，那麼，22年前北京那些青年學生和具正義感的百姓，實在是枉死天安門了。當年還認真地選出學生領袖和民運代表人物，但今次網上發動人深藏不露，「殺頭」機會為零，惜結果也「得個桔」——雷大雨小。
理性興革與非暴力鬥爭
起事方式不對勁，當然不代表當今社會沒有深淺層的矛盾、人民怨氣不存在。但請勿因為曾經有人說過：「埃及人能，那中國人呢？」就急就章「露它一手」，非得搞一場網上虛擬「革命」不可，而不惜虛張聲勢，「過把癮就算」。這又與阿Q精神何異！這裏，當然無意鼓吹馬克思列寧式國家暴力革命，但爭取公民社會非暴力鬥爭模式，以及採輪流坐莊方法解決專權制度裏的權力更替困局，試問還有誰肯多花心思玉成這類理性的興革？
這就使我想到清末「戊戌六君子」之一譚嗣同就義前的題壁絕筆詩：「我自橫刀向天笑，去留肝膽兩崑崙」。能夠真正改變人心和扭轉國運的革命，絕對不會是兒戲一場或者延燒網上惡搞爛局，更非請客吃飯，遑論只懂號召上街散步圍觀走人。今後誰來經理中國？
這一刻，真要誠心地請求大家必須慎用「革命」這二字，以免辱及一眾先烈。

http://news.singtao.ca/vancouver ... 376178d3021286.html

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 14:28

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2011-2-27 14:30 編輯

CCP suckers
why not quote Mao's famous "Definition of Revolution" instead?

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 14:42

CCP suckers
why not quote Mao's famous "Definition of Revolution" instead?
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 14:28

Did I ever defend CCP in this thread. No, I didn't.

Instead, I asked you to make a public proclaim of your teaching about 茉莉花革命.

Did you have the gut to do so? Sorry, a coward like you will never have the gut.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-27 15:12

He represents the UC Berkeley,
or he can just use his name.
You are Chinese too, are you communist? ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 13:45

The professor is a Chinese person.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 16:31

Cowards scream out loud here,
I do not argue with idiots

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 16:37

I am anti- communist, no question about it.
CCP does not equal chinese culture,
I advocate Chinese culture, that is another fact.
Only the CCP agents try to defend CCP here in LYK and spam the threads

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-2-27 16:43

Just trying to lick the CCP's.
Do you have any support in HK?

I think the idiot is GOING TO AMEND ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 13:50

US/UK/Canada have deficit budgets.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 16:49

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-2-27 16:51 編輯

Cowards scream out loud here,
I do not argue with idiots
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 16:31

Did I ever argue with you here? Lol.

I just invited you to explain what you want people to learn from 茉莉花革命 which you asked people to do. (how many time do I need to repeat this?)

Why do you not have the gut to explain what you said?
It is so funny to see such a coward talking about 革命.

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-2-27 17:13

US/UK/Canada have deficit budgets.
peter236 發表於 2011-2-27 16:43

有赤字有什么所谓？人民生活好就得啦，好过共产党自己刮埋刮埋甘多钱，自己中饱私囊

我宁愿有赤字好过了

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-2-27 17:50

It is very fishy that a person keep badmouthing Canada and
praising CCP everyday but yet prefer to stay in this rotten and bankrupted country.
What would happen if he does the same thing in the Greatest/
richest country of the world without worrying being arrested and
charged for treason and anti-revolution

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-2-27 18:30

It is very fishy that a person keep badmouthing Canada and
praising CCP everyday but yet prefer to ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-2-27 17:50

It is very fishy that a person told people to learn from 茉莉花革命, but never dare to explain what he want people to learn.

Does this person have any creditability? I don't think so.

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