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作者: Lik 時間: 2011-3-3 14:06 標題: 派錢加國30萬港人惹爭議

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派錢加國30萬港人惹爭議
涉款料18億民主黨﹕有都畀新來港移民

【明報專訊】財政司長曾俊華建議向18歲以上、持有香港永久居民身分證的市民派發6000元，引起已移居加拿大的港人關注，紛紛向駐多倫多香港經濟貿易辦事處查詢「是否有錢派」。辦事處估計，加拿大約有30萬名香港移民，若每人獲派6000元，涉及款項約18億元。本港各政黨對此安排反應不一，不少網民就質疑這些移民已離開香港多年，不用納稅，對香港貢獻有限，不應享有這項幅利。

工聯會王國興認為，應向合資格的海外港人移民派錢，「皆大歡喜」；民建聯陳鑑林認為，移民港人是否應獲派6000元，應由政府決定，加拿大港人如認為應分一杯羹，應主動反映，讓司長在制訂標準時有依據。民主黨主席何俊仁認為，不應向移居海外多年的港人派錢，「有都應該派畀新來港移民」。

網民質疑不交稅沒貢獻

在討論區，有網民說﹕「我覺得移民十幾廿年只係返過換智能身分證人係唔應該有6000蚊！你移民去外國唔理香港，又唔交稅又冇貢獻，憑乜呢6000蚊？」網民WSWAI﹕「不應派給他或她們，否則令大量移民來港拿好處，香港庫房會崩潰！」

駐多倫多香港經濟貿易辦事處助理處長蕭顯揚表示，自從曾俊華公布修訂預算案內容後，辦事處電話響個不停，不斷收到來電查詢「是否有錢派」。港府至今仍未公布派錢細節，但加國的旅遊業界評估，一旦確定移民符合資格，預料今年淡季的機位都會迫滿回港領錢的港人。

溫哥華翠明假期的職員說，昨有不少市民致電詢問，今年上半年的淡季結束前，是否仍有機位，就算獲派6000元不足以購買來回機票，亦會回港，感覺有如「中了獎有免費機票往返溫哥華與香港」。

星派錢沒預雙重國籍市民

資料顯示，新加坡2008年的預算案列明，除了新加坡居民，亦要符合其他條件，如21歲以上，以及不能擁有雙重國籍，換言之移居他國的市民不能受惠。

統計處及入境處稱，已移居外地、持有香港永久居民身分證的人士，沒有他們的統計資料。

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-3-3 14:10

咩叫過橋抽板

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-3-3 14:19

本帖最後由 Lik 於 2011-3-3 14:32 編輯

之前報紙都有賣，話一份由加拿大亞太基金會與香港浸會大學合作的調查報告，顯示目前有大約30萬名加拿大人在香港居住，讓香港擁有相等於「加國第16大城市」的人口規模。近30%的受訪者稱自己或子女正在加國讀書，超過35%居住在香港的加國公民，從不認為加拿大是自己的家，更稱不會考慮回到加國定居；但亦有21%的人稱經常都想回到加國。

從一個公平嘅原則之下出發，我又想問吓呢30萬在香港居住嘅加拿大人（特別係果超過35%居住在香港但又從不認為加拿大是自己嘅家嘅加國公民），你響加拿大又攞過啲咩着數呢？特別係，當你自己就響香港工作，但子女就響加拿大讀書（亦即係享用緊政府對大學龐大嘅津貼），又或者細細個響加拿大讀書，之後就回流咗返香港（我相信廿零卅歲嘅一群LYK會識唔少呢一類人）果啲，你仲有咩資格同面目來講啲話呢＄6000唔應該派俾移民加拿大嘅香港人呢？

-力

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-3-3 14:22

大部分移民都係響香港積累足夠財富
才能走出呢一步
亦即反映佢哋曾經對香港作出過貢獻
將黃金廿年幫香港建設
到今日先話收翻六千
條數計到尾
都係香港著數

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-3-3 14:24

All it takes is $6K hkd to see people's saliva dripping here. Sad.

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-3-3 14:29

All it takes is $6K hkd to see people's saliva dripping here. Sad.
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-3-3 14:24

吃不到的葡萄是酸的

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-3-3 15:17

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作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-3-3 15:19

我比較贊成用退稅方式回饋＄6000，另向綜援人仕派發。比較公平。

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-3-3 15:19

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作者: fy789 時間: 2011-3-3 15:22

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作者: peter236 時間: 2011-3-3 15:33

我比較贊成用退稅方式回饋＄6000，另向綜援人仕派發。比較公平。
fibbi 發表於 2011-3-3 15:19

用退稅方式

This would not work, as most Hong Kong people do not need to pay taxes. Those who need to pay, only pay very little.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-3-3 16:09

回復 11# peter236

You have any stats to support your claim? What is "very little tax"? HK has lower tax rate, doens't mean people pay no tax.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-3-3 16:10

回復 10# fy789

No worries, I don't plan to go to HK for that $6000.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-3-3 16:11

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-3-3 16:13 編輯

回復 peter236

You have any stats to support your claim? What is "very little tax"? HK has lo ...
fibbi 發表於 2011-3-3 16:09

The stats can be obtained from Hong Kong government. It is a known fact. There is no need to argue here. Most of the people who pay tax only need to pay little.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-3-3 16:14

回復 14# peter236

So what? Even people who work and pay little tax, they contribute to the govt income and makes sense to get refund.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-3-3 16:16

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-3-3 16:17 編輯

回復 peter236

So what? Even people who work and pay little tax, they contribute to the govt inc ...
fibbi 發表於 2011-3-3 16:14

You are actually agreeing with me. 用退稅方式 does not work since most people do not pay taxes. So there is no taxes to be refunded.
Just give everyone straight cash.

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-3-3 16:17

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作者: peter236 時間: 2011-3-3 16:18

回復 fibbi

我冇新數碼香港身份證，所以無得攞！
fy789 發表於 2011-3-3 16:17

Just get a new number.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-3-3 16:21

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-3-3 16:24 編輯

Just copy and paste from another website:

Hong Kong tax rates are so low.

The salaries tax rate is the lower of either:

* 15% of "assessable income" after the deduction of allowances; or

* A progressive rate levied on "assessable income" after the deduction of allowances. For the 2009/10 tax year onwards, these progressive rates are:

      o Nil to HKD40,000 - 2%
      o HKD40,000 to HKD80,000 – 7%
      o HKD80,000 to HKD120,000 – 12%
      o HKD120,000 upwards – 17%

Allowances and Deductions

For the 2009/10 year of assessment, the following allowances are deductible from assessable income for salaries tax purposes:

* Charitable contributions representing up to 35% of an individual's income after allowable expenses and depreciation allowances or assessable profits.
* A residential care allowance in respect of a parent or grandparent of up to HKD60,000 per annum.
* Home loan interest deductions from 2003/4 of up to HKD100,000 in any one year of assessment.
* A current pension allowance of up to HKD12,000 for each year of assessment, not including contributions made by a self-employed person in respect of his employees.
* Depreciation allowances on all plant and machinery essential to the production of income subject to salaries tax.
* A single person's allowance of HKD108,000 (2009/10).
* A married persons' allowance of HKD2165,000 (2009/10).
* Child allowances of HKD50,000 for each dependant on the 1st to the 9th child (2009/10).
* Dependent parent, grandparent,sister, brother sibling (to include more than one where necessary) - allowances HKD30,000 each (2009/10).
* Dependent disabled person's allowance of HKD60,000 (2009/10).
* Education allowance of HKD60,000 for any course which educates or assists an employee in his profession.

Just do the calculations, most people do not pay or just pay little taxes.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-3-3 16:31

回復 16# peter236

No I don't agree with you. I said I prefer tax refund because those people contribute to the government income. I don't agree paying everyone straight cash.

Of course, to low income family/individual or people on welfare should get the subsidy as well as I said in previous post.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-3-3 17:31

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-3-3 17:42 編輯

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No I don't agree with you. I said I prefer tax refund because those people con ...
fibbi 發表於 2011-3-3 16:31

Tax refund does not work, since most people do not need to pay taxes. There is no tax or little tax to refund. Hong Kong is not Canada.
Please learn more about Hong Kong.

The most needy people in Hong Kong make less than $60,000 per year. But the personal allowance is already about $100,000, so they do not pay taxes, so no tax to refund.
Therefore, straight cash is a good way to help the most needy people.

Just do the calculations yourself.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-3-3 18:17

Therefore, straight cash is a good way to help the most needy people.
peter236 發表於 2011-3-3 17:31

你條粉腸又幾時變成忽然贊成派錢嘅人？之前我話要派錢，你唔係一直唱反調嘅咩？

正契弟...見保皇黨轉呔就緊跟阿爺命令～

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-3-3 18:37

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-3-3 18:38 編輯

你條粉腸又幾時變成忽然贊成派錢嘅人？之前我話要派錢，你唔係一直唱反調嘅咩？

正契弟...見保皇黨轉呔就 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-3-3 18:17

hahaha, you are just a moron.
I didn't say giving out cash is necessarily good for Hong Kong's budget or for Hong Kong future.
But if Hong Kong wants to give out cash, then the "straight cash" method is better than "tax refund" method.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-3-3 18:42

I didn't say giving out cash is necessarily good for Hong Kong's budget or for Hong Kong future.
But if Hong Kong wants to give out cash, then the "straight cash" method is better than "tax refund" method.
peter236 發表於 2011-3-3 18:37

睇你轉呔個死人樣仲快過變面。

正契弟！

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-3-3 18:53

睇你轉呔個死人樣仲快過變面。

正契弟！

-力
Lik 發表於 2011-3-3 18:42

Mr Lik 條英國仔正契弟，自以為事，人又吋,把口又臭, 自己就係PK仔喇.

作者: noa 時間: 2011-3-3 19:07

好老实，移民左加国o既香港人如果无得罗我谂好多人都唔恨，我而家返左香港先兴幸自己移左民，香港人D心态已经变得好K型，歧视情况极为严重，竞死你分薄左个饼甘，有D甘o既政府你比$6000我都唔安心

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-3-3 19:11

Mr Lik 條英國仔正契弟，自以為事，人又吋,把口又臭, 自己就係PK仔喇.
peter236 發表於 2011-3-3 18:53

亞爺叫你學中文？

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-3-3 19:23

我比較贊成用退稅方式回饋＄6000，另向綜援人仕派發。比較公平。
fibbi 發表於 2011-3-4 07:19

我就prefer 政府可以將d 錢比哂d 真正有需要既人喇.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-3-3 19:28

你條粉腸又幾時變成忽然贊成派錢嘅人？之前我話要派錢，你唔係一直唱反調嘅咩？

正契弟...見保皇黨轉呔就 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-3-4 10:17

其實我到而家都唔希望"人人"派錢的.
不過, 派錢總好過將d 錢擺入MPF 呢條屎橋.
屎就兩篤都係臭架喇, 如果冇咁揀, 就唯有揀篤冇咁臭架law...

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-3-3 19:31

亞爺叫你學中文？
sheep 發表於 2011-3-3 19:11

五毛黨打緊果份係中宣部嘅工。之前用緊個 account 來出 post 果條契弟無料到，俾我地掃把到佢屁股開花。領導見形勢唔妥咪調過第二個人過來頂佢個位囉。咁又有幾出奇呢？

其實 Peter仔呢條廢柴之前都應該換過幾個人㗎啦。你睇佢有時講野啲用詞、語氣、思路等等都有多少唔同。除非佢有妄想症加精神分裂嘅嗟，如果唔係又點會係咁？

-力

作者: bbqfish 時間: 2011-3-3 20:07

i think what peter was trying to say is that the working poor may not earn enough to pay tax, so they will not benefit from tax refund. and yet since they are working, they do not qualify to low-income social assistance either. those working poor would really suffer if it's just tax refund+ social assistance increase.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-3-3 20:46

If I can trade of .. not taking that $6K .. but pay less tax here ...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-3-3 21:04

If I can trade of .. not taking that $6K .. but pay less tax here ...
Catpiano 發表於 2011-3-4 12:46

我唔介意收左你果6000蚊, 再幫你交1 蚊既稅架~
我會代香港紅十字會多謝你既.

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2011-3-3 22:56

D 高官仔女,親戚好多都會有外籍. D 議員都係. 咁你話啦.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-3-3 23:28

亞爺叫你學中文？
sheep 發表於 2011-3-3 19:11

Your British masters taught you English. how much did they pay you?

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-3-6 17:47

D 高官仔女,親戚好多都會有外籍. D 議員都係. 咁你話啦.
rainbow-davie 發表於 2011-3-4 14:56

d 有錢人點會稀罕果6000蚊呀?... 我咁冇錢都唔稀罕啦...

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