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作者: ACC-HE 時間: 2011-4-29 09:09 標題: Hybrid, thought?

Well? they have been here for yrs, anyone own one or planning to own one? Gas price is not getting any cheaper....

作者: satil 時間: 2011-4-29 09:22

if car price is same with 'gas version' i will buy one hybrid.
BUT, it is not, so i won't buy one.

hybrid is NOT environmental friendly. it is NOT green.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-4-29 09:32

From a purely financial point of view, hybrids are generally not a good idea. Cost of the car itself is easily significantly higher than comparable models. The better gas mileage doesn't work in your favour unless you do a ton of city driving (b/c that's where they get the best mileage). A few years ago, the Vancouver Sun did a gas-powered vs hybrid comparison of multiple vehicles, and in only 1 out of 6 or 7 cases, the hybrid was cheaper to operate over a 5 or 6 years span.

From an environmental point of view, the manufacturing process of the nickel- or lithium-based batteries are not that environmentally friendly either, and battery disposal will be an issue 8 - 10 years down the road as well. (And we haven't taken battery replacement costs into account yet.)

The only situation where hybrids make sense are as taxis. They do a ton of city driving, and that's where the forte of hybrids lie. Regenerative braking dramatically reduce operation costs. But not many of us are taxi drivers.

-Lik

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-4-29 14:28

Only make sense on high end car .. ie Benz .. Porsche ..

Extra $5-10K more from low end car such as Toyota/Honda ... is not going to justify ..

But for a $100K car, extra $5K .. is just 5%, and will save a lots on gas .. plus greener ..

Thost batteries last longer too, instead of used to be ~ 5 yr, they are good for 10 yr plus .. and will cost $5K-7K anyway .. so if someone buy a whatever Toyota Hybrid.

作者: enjoylifetoday 時間: 2011-4-29 17:47

My family got one a few years ago (around 2-3 yrs, don't remember exactly).
As Catpiano said, it's not justify $-wise, but i think there's govn't discount for 1-2k at the time, so it helped a bit.
The material used, as Lik pointed out, not that green, but that can be cleaner, it's just the manufacturer not investing enough to improve it, personal believe.

As for gas, it does save gas.  How good, is depending on what area u usually go.  Save more in urban area, b/c it saves whenever u do frequent stop & go.  save more in Richmond b/c it's flat, most time don't need the combustion engine to help out.
But, in Burnaby, for example, due to all the up & down, it will use more gas.  And, there's a bit delay when u going uphill from a stop, b/c u need to wait for the combustion engine to kick in. (maybe it's better in recent model? don't know)

Another factor, we believe hybrid/electrical car is more environmental friendly in general, but that maybe in the future.  But, in order for the technology to advance, more R&D is needed and that need funding and support.  And, that needs a market.  so, as a support in this tech area R&D, we decided to by a Hybrid.  Really don't want to see the "death" of electrical car development to happen again.

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-4-29 18:12

Instead of hybrid, would Disel gas be better?

作者: Ovaltine 時間: 2011-4-29 19:39

Plan on purchasing a hybrid, but will wait until automobile manufacturers start using lithium batteries instead of Nickel, this will be the next breakthrough for hybrid cars.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-4-29 19:54

Instead of hybrid, would Disel gas be better?
fibbi 發表於 2011-4-29 18:12

Actually Diesel is a better idea at this point .. however, Canadian don't really like diesel, and diesel price isn't much less then gas too ..

Still, Diesel should save you ~ 20-30% $$ on gas .. (probably better then Hybrid for NORMAL Canadian driving)

However, diesel just not that great for very cold weather .. which is no big deal for Vancouver.

Key point, the way Vancouver C9 driving, they are not going to highway, they just drive for short distance, block to block, and they are going to step on Gas/Brake, Gas/Brake all day long .. they probably are going to spend more time driving in Aberdeen parking lot then on the roads .. and they are going to change cars every few yr anyway .. so Hybrid is pretty good idea for Vancouver C9 ..

作者: satil 時間: 2011-4-29 20:31

回復 7# Ovaltine

few years later.. i will go for fuel cell.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-4-29 20:48

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-4-29 20:49 編輯

Actually Diesel is a better idea at this point .. however, Canadian don't really like diesel, and diesel price isn't much less then gas too ..

Still, Diesel should save you ~ 20-30% $$ on gas .. (probably better then Hybrid for NORMAL Canadian driving)

However, diesel just not that great for very cold weather .. which is no big deal for Vancouver.

Key point, the way Vancouver C9 driving, they are not going to highway, they just drive for short distance, block to block, and they are going to step on Gas/Brake, Gas/Brake all day long .. they probably are going to spend more time driving in Aberdeen parking lot then on the roads .. and they are going to change cars every few yr anyway .. so Hybrid is pretty good idea for Vancouver C9 ..
Catpiano 發表於 2011-4-29 19:54

Are you kidding here? Please broaden your horizon. Aberdeen is in Richmond, not Vancouver. Are all Vancouver C9s Chinese and only go to Aberdeen?
Do you even think India C9s or Caucasian C9s will drive in Aberdeen parking lots? LOL
Please use more logic la.

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2011-4-29 21:10

It all depends on how much you drive and the type of driving (city vs highway).

Diesel is good if you do a lot of highway driving.

作者: fm9610 時間: 2011-4-29 22:09

Only make sense on high end car .. ie Benz .. Porsche ..

Extra $5-10K more from low end car suc ...
Catpiano 發表於 2011-4-29 14:28

Have anyone look at the new Honda Insight, it is not that more expensive than my fit. I will defiinitely look at it if I have not already own a fit.

作者: Ovaltine 時間: 2011-5-2 03:56

Have anyone look at the new Honda Insight, it is not that more expensive than my fit. I will defii ...
fm9610 發表於 2011-4-29 22:09

insight is a crippled prius imo. lacks power, more gas...i would rather buy ford focus hybrid...lots of new luxury hybrid vehicles coming out..one notable is the lincoln.

作者: fm9610 時間: 2011-5-2 18:39

回復 13# Ovaltine

Agree, but have you checked the price of a prius?

For a $23K Japanese made Honda hybrid car, you will have premium resale value compared to Any American car. I own an American car before, I know the difference in value just after the first year of ownership.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-5-2 21:33

The Honda Insight has been a complete sales flop. It is utterly inferior to the Prius, and is little better than the Fit. Because of its sales failure, you might be able to get it with some discounts. But there has to be a reason for the car to do this poorly. You gotta ask yourself if you want to be stuck with that reason for however long you keep the car.

-Lik

作者: fm9610 時間: 2011-5-2 23:12

The Honda Insight has been a complete sales flop. It is utterly inferior to the Prius, and is little ...
Lik 發表於 2011-5-2 21:33

There is a $4K price differene between a Prius and an Insight. I am very happy with my Fit now, so if Insight is better than my Fit, I think I will definitely take a look if I am shopping for a new car.

BTW, if the hybrid Fit can come to this shore, then it will be another story...

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-5-3 09:32

That's the thing, the Insight is already $4k cheaper than the cheapest Prius, and people are still willing to fork out that extra for the Prius. Doesn't that tell you something?

Between the Insight and the Fit, I'd pick the Fit any day of the week. But if I were looking at the Fit, I'd also be looking at a few other cars in the same class as well.

-Lik

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2011-5-3 23:16

Get a scooter or a motorcycle, the best gas saver!

Even experienced car maker like BMW doesn't even believe in electric cars.... fuel cell/hydrogen would probably make more financial sense (when that time comes).

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/ ... vehicles-wont-work/

I also agree that the cost of the hybrid does not yield significant savings. You might as well get a small econo car like Fit/Yaris than getting a hybrid at easily double the price.

Philip

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-5-4 07:35

Yeah ... get a golf or jetta etc TDI .. will save u a lots on gas, and somehow, their resale is high too! (as a VW)

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-5-7 09:31

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作者: blue20ae 時間: 2011-5-7 10:43

These are the reasons....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/ ... st-is-anything-but/

Even some of the European cars can't come to North America. Nothing personal.

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