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作者: Lik 時間: 2011-5-2 19:40 標題: 加拿大變天

民主真係一個好嘅過程。

今日，加拿大變天。好多人懼如狼虎嘅保守黨竟然有啲出乎意料咁贏咗個大多數政府返來，而NDP亦成為大贏家。反之，自由黨同魁人政團雙繼齊齊仆到直。黨魁 Ignatieff 響自己個 riding 都輸咗，魁人 Duceppe 亦同時瓜柴。

民主最重要嘅一件事，就係再一次教曉我地政黨同政客都要對人民負責，否則就一定會被選民唾棄。那怕你自由黨響加拿大有百年基業都好，你嘅無能同唔能夠緊貼民情就已經足以令你輸到貼地。而魁人淨係適得一味食老本，而唔識好似NDP咁收買人心，到最後亦係死路一條。

華人嘅投票率有幾高呢？我身邊認識嘅華人朋友，大部份都有投票。呢一份公民責任，中華民國嘅國民已經享有咗好幾次。香港同中國大陸嘅人民又幾時先至有得分擔呢個責任呢？

-力

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2011-5-2 19:57

力力，盲佬睇春宮

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-5-2 20:08

高人你寫嘅野太深奧，小弟才疏學淺，唔明你講乜。請你明言。

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-5-2 20:10

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-5-2 20:12 編輯

For China at this point, economic stability is way more important than risky political reforms.
The Chinese need to treasure the current stability and charge ahead.
The destabilization attempts from western countries should be handled with great care.

作者: habitrailspace 時間: 2011-5-2 20:12

本帖最後由 habitrailspace 於 2011-5-2 20:17 編輯

回復 3# Lik

post lee d （聽diu)

peter236
fy789

speaking of the ....

作者: bbqfish 時間: 2011-5-2 20:16

回復 4# peter236

I disagree. I think without a democracy gov, there are more instability in China than having a democratic gov. Coz the chance of being overthrown will always at the back of investors' minds. Where as in a democratic gov, with a developed and trustworthy legal system, investors know that their properties will be protected.

作者: zoids 時間: 2011-5-2 20:48

力力，盲佬睇春宮
habitrailspace 發表於 2011-5-2 19:57

When did he not?

Sigh... thanks all those short sighted people...

Farewell my privacy.
Farewell gun registry which keeps gun possession in check.
Say hello to corporations raping you even harder.
Say hello to being a first world country with third world mobile phone and internet services.
Say hello to an enormous deficit that will only get bigger with retarded jets.
Say hello to strict drug legislation.
Say hello to DMCA copyright laws.
Say hello to super expensive privatised health care.

Phuck those secret Conservatives paid drones who distract people with gay issues and what not... well done, all dumb phucks who hurp durr Conservatives cut my tax hurrah brainless walking deads.

Phuck you all.

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-5-2 21:01

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2011-5-2 21:03 編輯

Paranoid, it is not necessary true, and just to prove that Lib is doomed,
well deserved.
Canadian is not all that stupid.

作者: soli 時間: 2011-5-2 21:15

超過60%選民不支持的政黨﹐竟然能成為大多數政府代表全國國民。
這只能證明加拿大的民主制度是何等荒謬。

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-5-2 21:35

荒謬極都唔夠香港立法會咁荒謬。但點解我又唔見你講過香港立法會半句不是？

收皮啦你，廢柴～

-力

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-5-2 21:41

Canadian cast their vote, and decided for their future.

It is democracy.

作者: soli 時間: 2011-5-2 21:46

democracy 有好有壞。
加拿大的democracy 就是壞的democracy。

少數人的意願代表全國國民﹐這無論在甚麼年代﹐甚麼國度﹐稱其為民主﹐都是荒謬的!

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-5-2 22:00

democracy 有好有壞。
加拿大的democracy 就是壞的democracy。

少數人的意願代表全國國民﹐這無論在甚麼年 ...
soli 發表於 2011-5-3 13:46

既然唔鍾意呢個遊戲方法, 唯有離座再join 過另一個自己滿意既game law.
不過, 如果要離座(離開加拿大)會唔會更荒謬呢?

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-5-2 22:05

Oh yeah, nothing better than CCP

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-5-2 22:06

All I know is that Ujal is gone for good

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-5-2 22:27

All I know is that Ujal is gone for good
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-5-2 22:06

You don't like ujjal? Why is that?

作者: chunsh 時間: 2011-5-2 22:30

回復 peter236

I disagree. I think without a democracy gov, there are more instability in China th ...
bbqfish 發表於 2011-5-2 20:16

I disagree, democracy only works when the majority of the citizen are fully educated (and of course, after they have been feed well). Looking at how many people in mainland china believe that salts can prevent radiation, do u think they have enough knowledge to tell which candidates/poltical parties are really working for them but not another dictator? For more examples, please look at some countries in Africa or 3rd world countries who claim themselves have democracy but actually controlled by dictators

too bad, I think the sitution in China is a dead loop. No democracy, so no good educations to people; but no education, democracy won't never work

作者: Nox 時間: 2011-5-2 22:37

離場？換遊戲？咪講笑啦！
天下烏鴉一樣黑
加拿大如是，香港如是，台灣如是，美國如是，中國如是
選舉，只係一個俾人民後悔選錯人同埋激氣俾自己唔中意嘅人話事嘅遊戲
投票，只係因為有得玩比無得玩感覺好dd咁解
從來無寄望過投票會令生活好過d
誰贏誰輸，我們這些無力的人來說一樣痛苦

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-5-2 22:37

I disagree, democracy only works when the majority of the citizen are fully educated (and of course, after they have been feed well). Looking at how many people in mainland china believe that salts can prevent radiation, do u think they have enough knowledge to tell which candidates/poltical parties are really working for them but not another dictator? For more examples, please look at some countries in Africa or 3rd world countries who claim themselves have democracy but actually controlled by dictators

too bad, I think the sitution in China is a dead loop. No democracy, so no good educations to people; but no education, democracy won't never work
chunsh 發表於 2011-5-2 22:30

I disagree, China's education is rapidly improving, setting a good foundation or future democracy.

In democratic India and the Philippines, the people are lowly educated, that is why they are poor and corrupted.

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-5-2 22:41

For China at this point, economic stability is way more important than risky political reforms.
The ...
peter236 發表於 2011-5-2 20:10

你讲野简直就是废的

你中国的唔稳定是因为你官商勾结，远离群众。民主就是接近群众唯一途径

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-5-2 22:42

democracy 有好有壞。
加拿大的democracy 就是壞的democracy。

少數人的意願代表全國國民﹐這無論在甚麼年 ...
soli 發表於 2011-5-2 21:46

中国的民主最好，对吗？

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-5-2 22:45

I disagree, China's education is rapidly improving, setting a good foundation or future democracy. ...
peter236 發表於 2011-5-2 22:37

哈哈哈哈哈哈
“China's education is rapidly improving, setting a good foundation or future democracy” 哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

你知道共产党点起家吗啊？你知道共产党点样称呼知识分子吗？

中国的教育是愚民的教育，并非公民教育。如果你有幸在中国受过教育，你就会明白

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-5-2 22:51

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作者: soli 時間: 2011-5-2 22:51

回復 22# kingkong123
所以教到你這麼愚昧無知?

作者: soli 時間: 2011-5-2 22:53

加拿大人若接受現在聯邦政府“多數人服從少數人”的民主制度﹐就別再對其他國家指手劃腳!
其身不正﹐何以正人?

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-5-2 22:56

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作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2011-5-2 23:35

請問, FY, SOLI 有投票嗎?

作者: ricrick 時間: 2011-5-2 23:50

活在加拿大的五毛黨真令人弗解，說到尾都係想共產黨統治，做隻搖尾乞憐的哈巴狗

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-5-2 23:54

哈哈哈哈哈哈
“China's education is rapidly improving, setting a good foundation or future de ...
kingkong123 發表於 2011-5-2 22:45

Have you ever been to China?

The number of university graduates in China have increased rapidly in the past 30 yrs.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-5-2 23:56

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-5-2 23:57 編輯

回復 kingkong123
所以教到你這麼愚昧無知?
soli 發表於 2011-5-2 22:51

hahahahahahahaha, kingkong123 himself was educated by the CCP 30 yrs ago.
But he has never visited China again in the past 20-30 yrs, that is why he is not aware of China's rapid economic development.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2011-5-3 00:24

離場？換遊戲？咪講笑啦！
天下烏鴉一樣黑
加拿大如是，香港如是，台灣如是，美國如是，中國如是
選舉，只 ...
Nox 發表於 2011-5-2 22:37

天下烏鴉一樣黑? Zimbabwe == Canada then? LOL.

Democracy is never meant to choose the 'best', but to make sure you don't get stuck with the worst. Looking back at many of the previous Canadian gov't like 10 years of BC terror brought to you by Glen Clark, and many of the foreign regimes... You should be glad that we aren't stuck with someone like Syrian President Bashar Assad.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2011-5-3 00:26

我認為喺亞洲國家現階段法治比民主重要得多！

先有法治，再進行民主選舉，天下太平，國運昌盛！
例子：以 ...
fy789 發表於 2011-5-2 22:51

x2. Food, Education, Law; pre-requisites to a working democracy.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2011-5-3 00:41

超過60%選民不支持的政黨﹐竟然能成為大多數政府代表全國國民。
這只能證明加拿大的民主制度是何等荒謬。:c ...
soli 發表於 2011-5-2 21:15

Then what do you want? The party with the most vote doesn't rule, then who rules? You rather the party with 70% opposing to rule instead? 90% opposing to rule instead? How about just let you rule? LOL. Laughable.

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-5-3 01:04

Then what do you want? The party with the most vote doesn't rule, then who rules? You rather the p ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2011-5-3 00:41

Green Party to rule

作者: Ovaltine 時間: 2011-5-3 02:56

本帖最後由 Ovaltine 於 2011-5-3 03:11 編輯

哈哈哈哈哈哈
“China's education is rapidly improving, setting a good foundation or future de ...
kingkong123 發表於 2011-5-2 22:45

I agree with kingkong, Chinese education's purpose is to dumb civilians down so they could be hard workers at the factories. Rich businessman's lack of confidence in Chinese education cause them to move their kids to other countries to achieve knowledge.

Back to the real topic, I have deep concern's for Canada as Stephen Harper comes into power. The Conservative government will establish a new Corporate Canada, the gap between rich and poor will widen, social welfare budget will be cut. Tough road lies ahead for the middle class and working class, good for the rich men.

When will Canadian start seeing the light? To me all these political party leaders are suits. All of them are propaganda machines working for the party to achieve personal materialistic gains. Words are their swords as lies are their expertise. To me, what Canadians voted for today is, overpriced stealth bombers, and possibly the privatization of essential services like health-care. You guys really think Harper will help the majority to get more wealth? I wish next time come election, fellow LYK can heed the warning signals, and listen to what you really want from a government. Don't listen to radio, TV or search the internet for blatant lies and deception. Listen to yourself, how can we create a paradise after all the effort we put in to come to Canada? Did we come to compete with each other who got the nicest homes, best cars or trophy wife? Or do we have a purpose? A purpose to achieve a society with social equality, social justice, and a sense of giving back to Mother Earth when we had fun in this play land. Please think twice before you vote 4 years later.

作者: boss2007 時間: 2011-5-3 07:08

回復 10# Lik

香港立法會 - 共濟會統治的傳說 ?

http://www.hkreporter.com/talks/ ... =959314&page=11

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-5-3 07:50

回復 12# soli

Since when do you care about Canada?
Yes, it is bad for CCP

作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-5-3 07:53

回復 16# peter236

He is a big lier, he betrayed his boss Glen Clark,

just to replace him
and, he is even despised by his own people.
Most Indo-Canadian hate him.

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-5-3 08:23

hahahahahahahaha, kingkong123 himself was educated by the CCP 30 yrs ago.
But he has never visited ...
peter236 發表於 2011-5-2 23:56

收皮拉你，有脑的人听你讲野就知道你是没去过大陆，没在大陆生活过了，傻仔i
你中国教育甘好，有鬼人出国留学吗，漂洋过海你估好过瘾啊

经济发展唔等于教育就完全会向好的方向发展。
又一次证明你自己的无知

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-5-3 08:23

回復 kingkong123
所以教到你這麼愚昧無知?
soli 發表於 2011-5-2 22:51

你问下LYK 甘多人你愚昧还是我愚昧？

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2011-5-3 08:56

超過60%選民不支持的政黨﹐竟然能成為大多數政府代表全國國民。
這只能證明加拿大的民主制度是何等荒謬。:c ...
soli 發表於 2011-5-2 21:15

This is system, the number of seats count, not popular votes. You should go to Election Canada and check out the statistics. For the past majority Lib government, they all own by 38-41% popular votes.

The same as in US. In 2000, Al Gore got more poplar votes when George W Bush was elected.

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2011-5-3 09:00

Then what do you want? The party with the most vote doesn't rule, then who rules? You rather the p ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2011-5-3 00:41

作者: 匿名 時間: 2011-5-3 09:03

開心﹐慶祝 ^^

作者: 匿名 時間: 2011-5-3 09:03

democracy 有好有壞。
加拿大的democracy 就是壞的democracy。

少數人的意願代表全國國民﹐這無論在甚麼年 ...
soli 發表於 2011-5-2 21:46

哇哇哇哇哇。。。soli 返左黎 @@

作者: satil 時間: 2011-5-3 09:03

大陸近年教育？！教出來的人質素真高，看看他們懂得凡食得唔得，用得唔用得的都可有毒有假。就可顯示大陸教育的成功，尤其是生物，化學兩科，真係領先全球。可惜無教德育，一個道德全無的國家，所謂的富起來，都只是一個穿得光鮮的老粗？

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2011-5-3 09:28

活在加拿大的五毛黨真令人弗解，說到尾都係想共產黨統治，做隻搖尾乞憐的哈巴狗 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-5-2 23:50

YOU ARE WRONG. they don't care about 共產黨 or not.. They just want to be 搖尾乞憐的哈巴狗 of authorities.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-5-3 10:00

YOU ARE WRONG. they don't care about 共產黨 or not.. They just want to be 搖尾乞憐的哈巴狗 of auth ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2011-5-3 09:28

你和 ricrick 昨日不是還在大大推崇那篇懷念共產主義的文章嗎？

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-5-3 10:32

Back to the real topic, I have deep concern's for Canada as Stephen Harper comes into power. The Conservative government will establish a new Corporate Canada, the gap between rich and poor will widen, social welfare budget will be cut. Tough road lies ahead for the middle class and working class, good for the rich men.

When will Canadian start seeing the light? To me all these political party leaders are suits. All of them are propaganda machines working for the party to achieve personal materialistic gains. Words are their swords as lies are their expertise. To me, what Canadians voted for today is, overpriced stealth bombers, and possibly the privatization of essential services like health-care. You guys really think Harper will help the majority to get more wealth? I wish next time come election, fellow LYK can heed the warning signals, and listen to what you really want from a government. Don't listen to radio, TV or search the internet for blatant lies and deception. Listen to yourself, how can we create a paradise after all the effort we put in to come to Canada? Did we come to compete with each other who got the nicest homes, best cars or trophy wife? Or do we have a purpose? A purpose to achieve a society with social equality, social justice, and a sense of giving back to Mother Earth when we had fun in this play land. Please think twice before you vote 4 years later.
Ovaltine 發表於 2011-5-3 02:56

Why are you so apprehensive of the Conservative majority government, my friend? I have my doubts about how "nice" Mr. Stephen "Bully" Harper will be, and wonder how ruthless his majority government might become. But hey, guess what? If he really tries to pull all that, he is gonna get his a$$ kicked and handed back to him in 4 years. That's the beauty of our democratic system. We let them continue governing if they are doing a good job, and we kick them out if they screw up. It isn't like we're living in Mainland China where you are effectively stuck with each generation of party leaders for 10 years in office (via two 5-year terms), and you don't even get to choose them yourself.

4 years is not a very long time. Yes, some damage can be done if they really screw up. But at the end of the day, voters and the Canadian public are the big bosses. We get to decide the future of our nation in our own hands.

-Lik

作者: ricrick 時間: 2011-5-3 10:47

你和 ricrick 昨日不是還在大大推崇那篇懷念共產主義的文章嗎？
rockypath 發表於 2011-5-3 10:00

中國早已不是共產了

是最懷，最惡的官僚資本主義，毛主席反生一定再激死

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2011-5-3 14:15

你和 ricrick 昨日不是還在大大推崇那篇懷念共產主義的文章嗎？
rockypath 發表於 2011-5-3 10:00

共產主義是主義.
共產主義唔等於社會主義
民主係民主
加拿大馬克思黨又唔同中國共產黨.
舊中國共產黨又唔同而家中國共產黨
中國共產黨又唔係走共產主義, 又唔係加拿大式社會主義
中國既民主又唔同西方民主

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-5-3 15:18

中國早已不是共產了是最懷，最惡的官僚資本主義，毛主席反生一定再激死 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-5-3 10:47

我一點都不懷念共產主義下的中國。我同時相信絕大多數的中國老百姓也不會懷念共產主義。

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-5-3 15:19

The Canadians now have extreme right wing as government and the extreme leftists as opposition. The result is a polarized country.

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2011-5-3 15:23

Dude.. not extreme wor. In reality, our left is not totally left. our right is not totally right. Do you know that?

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-5-3 15:23

The Canadians now have extreme right wing as government and the extreme leftists as opposition. The result is a polarized country.
peter236 發表於 2011-5-3 15:19

加拿大咁唔掂，你仲響度住？快撚啲難躝返偉大祖國捐助軀啦～

-力

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-5-3 15:41

回復 53# rainbow-davie

First time I've seen people using "extreme right" to describe the Conservative...

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-5-3 15:57

回復 rainbow-davie

First time I've seen people using "extreme right" to describe the Conservative ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-5-3 15:41

I just saw this type of commentary on TV yesterday. Some Canadians really think in this way.

作者: rainbow-davie 時間: 2011-5-3 16:33

回復 rainbow-davie

First time I've seen people using "extreme right" to describe the Conservative ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-5-3 15:41

yes.. I'm surprised SOME say that too. the three parties are actually no too extremely on the political spectrum.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-5-3 17:15

回復 56# peter236

Are they using "leftmost" and "rightmost" instead of "extreme left" and "extreme right"??

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-5-3 17:37

共產主義是主義.
共產主義唔等於社會主義
民主係民主
加拿大馬克思黨又唔同中國共產黨.
舊中國共產黨又唔同而家中國共產黨
中國共產黨又唔係走共產主義, 又唔係加拿大式社會主義
中國既民主又唔同西方民主
rainbow-davie 發表於 2011-5-3 14:15

完全ｇｅｔ唔到你到底想講什麼東東。

作者: soli 時間: 2011-5-3 22:28

回復 soli

Since when do you care about Canada?
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-5-3 07:50

閣下未黎LYK之前。

作者: soli 時間: 2011-5-3 22:35

你问下LYK 甘多人你愚昧还是我愚昧？
kingkong123 發表於 2011-5-3 08:23

我諗答案很清楚﹐而你自己亦承認了

kingkong 說:
大陸教育是愚民教育﹐kingkong 是大陸教育出黎既﹐ then kingkong 是愚民。

所以呢﹐一個人忘本﹐唔飲水思源﹐不斷數臭曾裁培自己既祖國﹐其實即是在數臭自己。
真係愚不可及也~

作者: soli 時間: 2011-5-3 22:37

Then what do you want? The party with the most vote doesn't rule, then who rules? You rather the p ...
BiscottiGelato 發表於 2011-5-3 00:41

I want 比例代表制。

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-5-3 22:45

I want 比例代表制。
soli 發表於 2011-5-3 22:37

咁點解你又支持香港嘅公能組別？分組點票呢條垃圾過垃圾嘅例你又唔反對？中國大陸裡面想連投票都無，又唔見你出聲？

邊條撚樣雙重標準，大家有眼睇。

-力

作者: soli 時間: 2011-5-3 23:05

我無話過香港既政治制度係民主﹐而我亦認為香港和大陸不適宜急於走民主制度。來來去去雙重標準的只有閣下盲炳力。

還好加拿大人比較和善﹐如果俾著D落後D既國家﹐唔夠40%選票既政黨要執政?
就聽日日示威暴動都似~

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-5-4 21:30

我諗答案很清楚﹐而你自己亦承認了

kingkong 說:
大陸教育是愚民教育﹐kingkong 是大陸教育出黎既 ...
soli 發表於 2011-5-3 22:35

你地叫食屎你系咪即刻食？

人地教你你就要学了吗？你没头脑自己分析的吗？由于我唔系人地点教就点学，而系会自己思考的人
唔学得你甘，没接受愚化教育就已经低能成甘，简直就是丢架

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