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作者: Lik 時間: 2011-5-6 15:32 標題: 逃票 2式　慳幾蚊罰幾千

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阿力當然唔贊成市民搭車呃車飛錢，但事情嘅背後我地應該要問嘅喺，咁辛苦去呃果一個幾毫，點解要咁做呢？

當然，最大嘅 culprit 就係港鐵呢啲無良企業年年賺大錢、年年繼續狂加價。而身為港鐵最大股東嘅特衰政府卻一直置身事外，扮晒唔關佢事。

-力

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-5-6 21:10

I am so tired of those useless people .. as a mega city, with one of the highest house price and car price in the world ... ~ $10HKD .. can go though many station ..

That is $1.2 cad!! How much to take sky train/bus here??

Good that in real life, only few people are that cheapy!

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-5-6 21:16

Fu-King City of Calgary ..  just announce the power/water/heat bill will increase significant in the enxt few yr, (and more tax) due to City of Calgary has been over budget ..

We are talking ~ 20-30% more a yr, that is like ~ $150-200/month!!  we are talking big number! What can we do? sit home and eat Banana!!!

The sandwich place we go all the time ..  increase their lunch by $2 la..  that is more then $16HKD ...  still long line up, no one protect ..  with $20 cent price increase for already dirt cheap price fast food store in HK ..  and protest??

Really laugh my head off ....

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-5-6 21:42

師兄，

對你來講，$1.2加紙自然係好少啦。但對一位成頭家三、四口，一個月好可能只係得＄6、7千蚊港紙收入嘅人來講，呢度慳少少，果度慳少少，每日就係靠咁樣去生活㗎喇。

-力

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-5-7 00:00

$1.2 cad is the total cost ar.....not the increasement.......

Again, even MTR is so cheap, not mean the price needs to increase ga.... I guess majority people in HK don't care, but the news still focus on it gei....

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-5-7 00:07

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-5-7 00:08 編輯

$1.2 cad is the total cost ar.....not the increasement.......

Again, even MTR is so cheap, not mean ...
Catpiano 發表於 2011-5-7 00:00

We all know Apple daily's goal is to create news and spin them in such a way that allows them to bash Hong Kong government for no valid reason.

Mr Lik then quotes these silly Apple daily articles/videos as if they are authoritative, and again for the purpose of discrediting HK government.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-5-7 02:26

I am sick of people keep complaining about it.

From my stand point, since the rule for price adjustment was set then it should be followed. It shouldn't be 輸打贏要. 港鐵 is a "for-profit" company and it is entitled to adjusting the price according to the game rule and regulation set by the government.

If you do not like the rule and believe it is unfair and unreasonable, fine! ask the government to change the rule then and ask 港鐵 to follow the new formula. Don't call it a 無良企業 if it is because of price adjustment.

整天指責中國沒有法治但自身卻不尊重法治。癲狗的擦鞋仔根本就是垃圾一堆。

作者: kingkong123 時間: 2011-5-7 08:35

We all know Apple daily's goal is to create news and spin them in such a way that allows them to ba ...
peter236 發表於 2011-5-7 00:07

没事点create啊？

你唔post 句话出来，人地点会用回复的功能回复你啊？

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-5-7 08:43

回復 6# peter236

都係將件事擺出來
大家講吓吹吓水集思廣益
咁又唔得?
你就唔好貼啲飛機大炮上來喇

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2011-5-7 10:30

I am sick of people keep complaining about it.

From my stand point, since the rule for price adjus ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-5-7 02:26

The issue is HK Government is the largest shareholder in MTR. It is like left hand approve right hand to grab money.

In Vancouver, if you don't like Translink, you can drive. But in HK you don't have much choice, in particular if you live in 天水圍.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-5-7 10:43

In Vancouver, if you don't like Translink, you can drive. But in HK you don't have much choice, in particular if you live in 天水圍....
blue20ae 發表於 2011-5-7 10:30

Can we do anything to Translink for its forever increasing budget and burden to our property tax and fuel tax? Translink's hands are not only in bus fare.

Just like I said, the rules and regulations were set and they should be followed even if the HK government is the biggest shareholder. Otherwise, why do we need to have the rules and regulations at the first place at all?

Change the rules and regulations if it is not fair and reasonable. People are just shooting at the wrong target.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-5-7 11:45

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-5-7 11:55 編輯

The issue is HK Government is the largest shareholder in MTR. It is like left hand approve right ...
blue20ae 發表於 2011-5-7 10:30

You can take the bus or the MTR.

Here the government makes the Translink looks like it is not government. So it does not get blamed.

If the HK government sells all its shares in MTR to private owners, it will be worse. People can no longer blame the government.
So whether MTR is fully or partly owned by government, people will blame it. The best is to do is HK government sell all the shares, and let the HK people blame the private owners.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-5-7 12:13

In Vancouver, if you don't like Translink, you can drive. But in HK you don't have much choice, in particular if you live in 天水圍.blue20ae 發表於 2011-5-7 10:30

Well what is the different? .. same in HK .. especially live in 天水圍... U can drive if you don't want to take bus. Or say better drive. There is no MTR there too ...

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-5-7 12:31

師兄，

唔好玩啦？你叫天水圍啲人揸車？佢地有車揸嘅話就唔使搞埋啲咁嘅野啦？

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連民仔都出得來丙政府嘅時候，你就知道問題有幾嚴重。

-力

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-5-7 13:12

師兄, few friends of mine lived in 天水圍 ...  they drive wor ..  and most of their neighbor drive too ..

Should say that, some people live that far, because they want to own a car and enjoy ..  low cost for parking .. more space ..

Even those Government homes in HK ..  lots of cars too .. can't say all people live in 天水圍 are low income, and can't afford car.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-5-7 13:27

師兄，

我都有個 friend 嘅老竇老母住響天水圍，佢地都係退休中產人士，生活無憂。但天水圍主要係個窮人地區定係有錢人區，我諗大家都心裡有數啦：

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5 ... 7.E5.95.8F.E9.A1.8C

成卅萬人咁大嘅一個社區，但連醫院都無，咁嘅社區規劃都唔算徹底失敗嘅話，我都真係無野講囉...

-力

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2011-5-7 14:39

You can take the bus or the MTR.

Here the government makes the Translink looks like it is not gov ...
peter236 發表於 2011-5-7 11:45

First of all, I never said Translink is any good.  Translink is a cancer in Vancouver and it sucks our tax dollar into an inefficient system.

But you need to bear in mind Translink is net neutral. They take tax dollars from parking, property tax to subsidize mass transit, whereas MTR is the other way round.  HK Government, as the biggest shareholder, take money out of mass transit and pays for the $6000 per head candy.

Also HK Government being a shareholder approves MTR rate adjustment is a conflict of interest.  They should either fix the rate adjustment to an index or get rid of all the shares.

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2011-5-7 14:46

回復 12# peter236

Of course you can walk and 行路上廣州 as well. Be realistic.

Say, if you have a job in Central, you pretty much have to use MTR.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d& ... Park%3B+Tin+Shui+Rd,+Tin+Shui+Wai,+Hong+Kong+(Tin+Shui+Wai+Park%3B+Tin+Shui+Road)&daddr=Central,+Hong+Kong&hl=en&geocode=FRihVgEddIzLBin7M_kNh_ADNDF92A5MTeHPXQ%3B&mra=ls&dirflg=r&ttype=dep&date=05%2F07%2F11&time=3:41pm&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=def&sll=22.454552,114.00306&sspn=0.006276,0.011362&ie=UTF8&start=0&z=12

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-5-7 19:52

First of all, I never said Translink is any good.  Translink is a cancer in Vancouver and it sucks our tax dollar into an inefficient system.

But you need to bear in mind Translink is net neutral. They take tax dollars from parking, property tax to subsidize mass transit, whereas MTR is the other way round.  HK Government, as the biggest shareholder, take money out of mass transit and pays for the $6000 per head candy.

Also HK Government being a shareholder approves MTR rate adjustment is a conflict of interest.  They should either fix the rate adjustment to an index or get rid of all the shares.
blue20ae 發表於 2011-5-7 14:39

The parking fee and property taxes that Translink takes could have been used by the city hall on improving local schools. So Translink is not neutral at all.

The money for the $6000 came from many sources, not just the MTR. Most of HK government's money comes from selling expensive lands at auctions and from the stock market trading tax.

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2011-5-7 22:32

The parking fee and property taxes that Translink takes could have been used by the city hall on i ...
peter236 發表於 2011-5-7 19:52

You may know what is going on in China, but you need to learn the politics in Canada before commenting, my friend. The 21% parking tax is in the legal right of Translink, no one can touch it.
http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries ... 8030_01#section30.1

HST is payable on top of the parking tax and it ends up to be 35.52% of taxes for parking in metro Vancouver. This is the price for clean air.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-5-8 00:13

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-5-8 00:15 編輯

You may know what is going on in China, but you need to learn the politics in Canada before commenting, my friend. The 21% parking tax is in the legal right of Translink, no one can touch it.
http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries ... 8030_01#section30.1

HST is payable on top of the parking tax and it ends up to be 35.52% of taxes for parking in metro Vancouver. This is the price for clean air.
blue20ae 發表於 2011-5-7 22:32

You are actually proving my point. Whatever laws that allow Translink to take whatever money, whether property tax or parking tax, those laws are stupid and were created by the stupid government.

They are just a bunch of inept and highly paid Translink officials. The society is stupid enough to allow Translink to skim money from the society.

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2011-5-8 00:16

I have thought of those tricks already since I was in elementary school. Buy a one-way ticket for cheap, and using $50 ticket twice to get out.... it's nothing new... and no one bothers to care.

Just like in high school , where we sneaked 8 people in a theater with 3 tickets bought. :-(

Philip

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-5-8 10:08

Just like going to China .... take off in Sheung Shui, and back again, (gate in, gate out, back to same train) will save some money too .. (somehow)

I saw lots of people doing that .. take off, gate out, gate in ....

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