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作者: tiffiant 時間: 2011-6-12 20:58 標題: 美航母撐菲越南海戰雲密布

美航母撐菲越南海戰雲密布
中越主權爭端急升溫，南海上空戰雲密布。在越南今日將在南海進行兩輪實彈演習之際，海南省傳出有大批軍艦、潛艇集結，而正在西太平洋演習的十一艘中國軍艦，去向備受關注。美國為防生變，昨已調動核動力航母「華盛頓號」，駛往靠近南海的西太平洋部署戒備。國際高度關注南海局勢，擔憂各國隨時擦槍走火，影響亞太局勢及金融市場穩定。
在越南首都河內和胡志明市連續兩個周日爆發大規模反華示威，其中逾百名越南青年昨日遊行到河內的中國大使館，抗議中國船隻在南海頻繁活動「侵犯越南領海」，及日前有中國漁船割斷越南石油勘探船的纜線，聲言會不惜一切捍衞越南的主權。胡志明市的示威人數則有近兩百人。

越南此前高調宣布，今天於中部廣南省對開四十公里的漢翁島（Hon Ong Island）附近海域進行實彈演習，共歷時九小時，分別在早上八時至中午，和晚上七時至午夜十二時，警告船隻切勿進入有關範圍。越南無透露參加艦艇數目和官兵人數，強調演習地點於該國專屬經濟區，距離與中國有主權爭議的西沙群島二百五十公里，但在中越近期爭端不斷下，仍惹各方關注。

菲證實月底與美軍演
美國亦對南海虎視眈眈，美軍第七艦隊的主力航母「華盛頓號」（USS George Washington）昨晨也突然駛離日本橫須賀基地，開赴西太平洋戒備。航母指揮官勞斯曼（David Lausman）表示，將與太平洋地區各同盟國共同作戰以穩定局勢。

菲律賓昨證實，將於本月廿八日與美軍在菲國西部海域進行聯合軍演，美軍驅逐艦「鍾雲號」（USS Chung-Hoon）已部署在南海邊緣的蘇祿海一帶，準備參與演習。菲方強調演習早已規劃，與近日南海爭端無關。菲總統府秘書長奧喬亞稱若局勢惡化，菲國可根據與美簽署的《共同防禦條約》尋求協助。

解放軍先進潛艇群現三亞
面對南海局勢動盪，中國軍方近日頻繁調動。網上消息指海南島聚集廿艘主力軍艦，據指有非南海艦隊艦艇。中華網軍事頻道昨更刊出網民圖片，指在海南三亞軍港拍到多艘先進潛艇，未知是否針對南海局勢。軍方《解放軍報》昨也高調報道，指廣州軍區陸航團十多架武裝直升機在廣東西部海域進行對海上目標攻擊演練。

此外，中國國防部日前已證實調派多艘軍艦開赴西太平洋國際海域例行訓練，不是針對特定目標。據悉，艦隊包括十一艘軍艦和一艘潛艇日前從東海穿越沖繩縣宮古島附近海域，當中包括多艘有「航母殺手」之稱的「現代級」導彈驅逐艦，可搭載反艦導彈，由於美國航母正開赴西太平洋，解放軍艦隊動向倍受關注。

作者: tiffiant 時間: 2011-6-12 20:59

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-12 21:05

回復 1# tiffiant

Every party is on board...
It will interesting to see what's up next...

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-6-12 21:24

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-6-12 21:27 編輯

回復 tiffiant

Every party is on board...
It will interesting to see what's up next...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-6-12 21:05

It is interesting that both China and Vietnam are communists countries. But the US warmongers side with those Vietnamese.

The US tend to side with Japan, India, Philippines etc, whenever there is a dispute involving China.

It is clear now that the US is fear of China's rise will lead to the crumbling of the US regime. That is why the Americans use other smaller nations as proxies to drag China into a war.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-12 21:28

回復 4# peter236

The reality is - In front of interests, there is no long time enemy or long time friend.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-6-12 21:31

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The reality is - In front of interests, there is no long time enemy or long time fr ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-6-12 21:28

China is not dumb to be dragged into a war with any country. Most likely, China will use its economic trump cards, causing the more rapid crumbling of the US economy. The US will only have itself to blame.

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-6-12 22:03

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作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-12 22:22

回復 7# fy789

It's not Lebanon... No luck for YJ-82 if it's not near shoreline...

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-6-12 22:30

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作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-12 22:38

回復 9# fy789

No difference with the results...

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-6-12 23:07

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No difference with the results...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-6-12 22:38

How do you know for sure? You tested those missiles?

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-12 23:13

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-6-12 23:18 編輯

回復 11# peter236

You are challenging one of the best and reliable short range defensing system of the time...

Do you know why US has kept using this system for almost 3 decades with only upgrades without replacement?

How are you so confident? You tested those YJ-82 missiles?

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-6-12 23:19

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You are challenging one of the best and reliable short range defensing system of the time...

How are you so confident? You tested those YJ-82 missiles?
lo_pak 發表於 2011-6-12 23:13

So you have not tested those Chinese or US missiles yourself.

I didn't say I have full confidence, and I didn't say I tested any missiles.

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-6-13 06:49

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作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-13 08:29

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-6-13 08:33 編輯

回復 14# fy789

DF-21 against what?? Against Arleigh Burke class destroyer like the Chung Hoon DDG-93? How many DF-21 are you going to fire at the same time? 1 dozen or 2?

Less than half a dozen I bet you better save some gas for retreat... DF-21 may be a threat to the standalone aircraft carrier, but absolutely not for aegis destroyer/cruiser.

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-6-13 09:06

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作者: peter236 時間: 2011-6-13 11:55

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DF-21 against what?? Against Arleigh Burke class destroyer like the Chung Hoon DDG-93? ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-6-13 08:29

China can just destroy the US GPS satellites. Without GPS, most communication between US warships will be cut. They will become vulnerable to Chinese missile attacks.

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-6-13 12:32

China can just destroy the US GPS satellites. Without GPS, most communication between US warships w ...
peter236 發表於 2011-6-13 11:55

癡人說夢

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-13 14:16

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-6-13 14:21 編輯

回復 16# fy789

If China can improve the accuracy of DF-21 by at least a magnitude... that could be possible.

By the way, in front of a US naval combat group, China gets no chance to win if it's not entering the 200km shoreline zone based on the China PLA current military arrangement around the coast.

Even without the air cover by the aircraft carrier, DDG's and FFG's have with problems for air defense. Don't you know that? I'm just curious how much you know about aegis and NMD.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-13 14:21

回復 17# peter236

Can you distinguish the difference between military GPS and civil GPS systems?

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-6-13 19:30

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作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-13 19:55

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-6-13 20:23 編輯

回復 21# fy789

Cheap talk with M10 without accuracy...

Show me your math with thermodynamics when you are almost at plasma stage...
Are you talking an asteroid? Or you are just BSing...

By the time China has fixed the accuracy, USS vessels will have equipped with laser weapons...

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-6-13 20:44

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作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-13 22:48

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-6-13 22:54 編輯

回復 23# fy789

If you are talking about M10 shooting at an acute angle, you are there. And you have a reason to laugh in front of Peter...
Sometimes I don't really get why you can make fun of yourself that easy...

Thus far, can you show me the leapfrog laser weapon developed by China?

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-6-13 22:56

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作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-13 22:59

回復 25# fy789

M5 is reasonable... M10 is, you know the answer...

You don't even know where you are shooting at...

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-6-13 23:06

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作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-13 23:21

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-6-13 23:30 編輯

回復 27# fy789

DF-21D, 吹風...

. No records showing it's been tested SUCCESSFULLY...
I just don't know how to mention your naive... Sticking with wiki with your professional live...
Theory is one thing, but reality is different.

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-6-13 23:33

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作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-13 23:36

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-6-13 23:42 編輯

回復 29# fy789

What I consider is the accuracy... In the attack mode, DF-21 is a very useful tool if and only if you can tempt the US to send the carrier into the trap, which is the first island chain of the South China Sea along the Japan, Taiwan and Phillipines... If you are that close, I don't think you can achieve M10 before re-entering the lower atmosphere.

作者: fy789 時間: 2011-6-13 23:40

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作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-13 23:45

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-6-13 23:51 編輯

回復 31# fy789

If USS CVN can be threatened to the 2000kms zone they are no longer the USS CVN...

Anyway, good night, I need to sleep as well.

(I don't think I can sleep well after watching Game 6...)

P.S. - 磨爛蓆?? No one can challenge your #1 position in the forum...

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-6-14 01:31

癡人說夢
sheep 發表於 2011-6-13 12:32

hahaha, you frog in the well.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-6-14 01:32

回復 fy789

DF-21D, 吹風... . No records showing it's been tested SUCCESSFULLY...
I just don't k ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-6-13 23:21

hahaha, even the US admitted the DF-21 has succeeded testing.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-6-14 02:08

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-6-14 02:10 編輯

Please update your information now.

http://www.sinodefence.com/strategic/missile/df21.asp

DongFeng 21D (CSS-5 Mod-4)

The U.S. Department of Defense has confirmed the existence of the DF-21D land-based ASBM system, which is the world’s first and only of its kind. By combining manoeuvrable re-entry vehicles (MaRVs) with a terminal guidance system, the DF-21C is capable of targeting a slow-moving aircraft carrier battle group from a land-based mobile launcher. The maximum range of the missile was said to be 3,000km, possibly achieved by carrying a smaller payload.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-14 06:16

回復 35# peter236

The existence and proved to be successfully tested are 2 different things...

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-6-14 23:38

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The existence and proved to be successfully tested are 2 different things...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-6-14 06:16

You will never get any "proof", either from the Chinese or from the the Americans.
Unless you sneak into the Chinese military and take their testing data.
Most likely, the first evidence will be the sinking of a US aircraft carrier.

作者: soli 時間: 2011-6-15 06:53

You will never get any "proof", either from the Chinese or from the the Americans.
Unless you sne ...
peter236 發表於 2011-6-14 23:38

講得無錯﹐沒用的話﹐裝備來做咩?
聽聞中共是在沙漠測試了DF-21C﹐能擊中高速飛馳中的汽車呢。
航空母艦這麼大目標﹐那有打不中的道理?

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