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作者: tiffiant 時間: 2011-6-29 07:16 標題: BC teachers vote overwhelmingly to strike

BC teachers vote overwhelmingly to strike
They're calling it a strong message to government.
John Streit Jun 29, 2011 00:45:14 AM
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VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - News1130 has learned BC teachers have voted overwhelmingly to strike. A total of 90 per cent of teachers said yes in a province-wide vote conducted in schools and local offices over four days.

BCTF President Susan Lambert says if they don't achieve a new agreement in the summer they will go after job action on September 6th. "The goal is to signal to government and the employer that we are serious. There are serious issues of concern to teachers and they need to be addressed in this round of bargaining."

Lambert adds the first step is called a "teach only" phase, "that frees us up from the huge burden of administrative tasks that have been placed on teachers."

We hear about 70 percent of teachers participated in the vote.

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作者: somewhereintime 時間: 2011-6-29 10:11

本帖最後由 somewhereintime 於 2011-6-29 10:16 編輯

BCTF no class, why they insist they would get what they want?
I don't think they care about the students at all, just a bunch of leeches
that suck all the education fund.

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-6-29 10:22

回復 2# somewhereintime

more than 70% of education funds are for teacher's salary

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-6-29 10:26

Uncle Some,

While I agree that teachers going on strike / job action is not ideal, if you actually know any teaching staff in the high school system, you'll get a different perspective on things.

All too frequently, the various school boards violate their own rules -- student class size rules (eg. too many students per teacher), special needs student rules (eg. throwing them into regular classes when they are supposed to be in special ed classes), ridiculous compensation schemes (eg. getting 3 days worth of time off for sinking in over 3 month's worth of effort in doing class time tables). You have to realize that a lot of times, the teachers are not going on job action simply for their own wages. A lot of times, they are simply asking the province and the school boards to live up to their promise, and to deliver the teaching resources that they need in order to do their jobs properly.

The same goes for healthcare professionals too. When they take on job actions, sometimes, it is about wages -- which could be reasonable or not. But a lot of times, they are simply asking for the resources that they need in order to get their jobs done right.

-Lik

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-6-29 10:32

回復 somewhereintime

more than 70% of education funds are for teacher's salary
sheep 發表於 2011-6-29 10:22

You have to realize, teaching staff are not always asking for wage increases for themselves. They could be asking for extra head counts. Continuing with my previous example, that could be an extra teacher to correct the overloaded student-teacher ratio. Or it could be a special ed staff member that takes on the special needs kids so that they don't have to be placed in the regular class and end up disrupting the rest of the kids. Resources like that would show up as salary as well, but it isn't always about wage increase.

Again, try speaking with a high school teacher and ask about the program and funding cuts that they have seen under the BC Liberals "leadership" over the past 10+ years. You'd be surprised at how resilient they are in putting up with all sorts of funding cuts.

You can only stretch things so much when you do more with less.

-Lik

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-6-29 11:37

BCTF no class, why they insist they would get what they want?
I don't think they care about the stu ...
somewhereintime 發表於 2011-6-29 10:11

The average classes here already have fewer students than those in Hong Kong. These people have been over paid for a long time, but teaching quality has not been improving. Maybe they should take a pay cut now, to save the taxpayers some expenses.

作者: 匿名 時間: 2011-6-29 11:50

罷啦﹐罷啦。。。

全溫哥華一齊放暑假啦﹐他們是不是想這樣而已﹖

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-6-29 12:24

The average classes here already have fewer students than those in Hong Kong. These people have been over paid for a long time, but teaching quality has not been improving. Maybe they should take a pay cut now, to save the taxpayers some expenses.
peter236 發表於 2011-6-29 11:37

That's why the HK education system sucks so much.

If you have no fxxking idea of what is going on, shut the fxxk up la!

-Lik

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2011-6-29 13:31

...These people have been over paid for a long time, but teaching quality has not been improving. ...
peter236 發表於 2011-6-29 11:37

Do you have any data to back these claims?

Depends on how you compare... compare with letter carriers, fore sure teachers are not overpay.

That said, the teachers are not setting a good example on how to solve problems with others.

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2011-6-29 13:33

回復 somewhereintime

more than 70% of education funds are for teacher's salary
sheep 發表於 2011-6-29 10:22

consider teachers are the key in ingredients for the "school business", this percentage (not the actual amount) should be as high as possible.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-6-29 14:01

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-6-29 14:03 編輯

That's why the HK education system sucks so much.

If you have no fxxking idea of what is going on, ...
Lik 發表於 2011-6-29 12:24

The Hong Kong education system is among the best in the world. Hong Kong students have gone on very successfully whether in their higher eduction or career pursuits all over the world.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-6-29 14:03

Do you have any data to back these claims?

Depends on how you compare... compare with letter carr ...
blue20ae 發表於 2011-6-29 13:31

But the letter carriers are themselves over paid. These unionized people are usually over paid. They know how to extort money from the taxpayers.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-6-29 14:20

The Hong Kong education system is among the best in the world. Hong Kong students have gone on ver ...
peter236 發表於 2011-6-29 14:01

你話就係呀？香港教育不溜都係一味填鴨式咁樣質你啲學生死記，而完全唔會教你點樣去獨立思考㗎啦？而且所謂嘅母語教學只係搞到全部所有學生中英文都唔掂。搞通識，又係做到一pat屎咁。依家話要推行愛國洗腦教育lu喎，又俾所有名校聯名一齊diu。

每一次我踢爆你啲廢話同大話嘅時候，我都會同你講，你乜撚野都唔撚識，就唔該你咪撚出聲！

正仆街！

-力

作者: news 時間: 2011-6-29 14:47

of coz...the funding will get increased by 58 mil for next year...$$$...time to suck out for more money

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-6-29 18:58

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-6-29 19:12 編輯

你話就係呀？香港教育不溜都係一味填鴨式咁樣質你啲學生死記，而完全唔會教你點樣去獨立思考㗎啦？而且所 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-6-29 14:20

Hong Kong was still using 填鴨式 when you were still studying there.

Now they have changed greatly and their style is 通識教育. I know many Hong Kong people who are doing innovative research all over the world.

Locally here, the unionized teachers 教出一班暴民，這邦憤青，趁火打劫，破壞公物,消警車,破壞私人財產，不知悔改。
Do they deserve to have a raise?

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-6-29 21:16

回復 15# peter236

I believe both education systems in HK and Canada have their advance side and bad side. IMO, if one student can devote himself/herself in learning, I believe Canadian system is a bit better because it focus more on understanding.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-6-30 00:16

Now they have changed greatly and their style is 通識教育. I know many Hong Kong people who are doing innovative research all over the world.
peter236 發表於 2011-6-29 18:58

香港嘅所謂通識教育咪又係要你背標準答案？咁係屁通識？又係屁教你獨立思考咩？

-力

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-6-30 01:10

香港嘅所謂通識教育咪又係要你背標準答案？咁係屁通識？又係屁教你獨立思考咩？

-力 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-6-30 16:16

咁又唔駛背標準答案既, 我當年就唔係咁like 背標準答案, 所以花左好多腦汁去答一d 問題, 我當時真係覺得求學不是求分數, 考咁高分把托咩, 所以我校內考試都唔係高分. 不過出到黎考公開試就守下規舉, 答d 大家喜歡既答案... 冇計啦, 我都係出黎搵食, 有得揀就梗係行條易行d 既路啦~

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-6-30 11:47

MJJ，中學嘅通識教育好似唔係推行咗好耐㗎咋喎？你老早就畢咗業啦。你有鬼讀過中學通識咩～

吹水唔抹嘴你就識...

-力

作者: Sakura 時間: 2011-7-4 23:57

But the letter carriers are themselves over paid. These unionized people are usually over paid. Th ...
peter236 發表於 2011/6/29 02:03 PM

I worked with union organization before...a lot of our pay actually goes to the union...not us. We were underpay as early childhood educators.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-5 00:47

MJJ，中學嘅通識教育好似唔係推行咗好耐㗎咋喎？你老早就畢咗業啦。你有鬼讀過中學通識咩～

吹水唔抹嘴你 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-1 03:47

我當然唔係講通識教育啦~
當年Phy, Chem, Bio 我都冇背過乜野 model answer, 中英數就更加冇得背. 比著我有得讀通識, 我都一定唔會背啦! 通識呢d 科, 高分又點woh, 考到夠入U 既grade 就得啦! 駛唔駛走去背model answer 咁辛苦呀...

-- 由細到大最唔鍾意背書既MJJ

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-5 09:15

I worked with union organization before...a lot of our pay actually goes to the union...not us. We ...
Sakura 發表於 2011-7-4 23:57

Union dues are typically only 2 to 3% at most. It is certainly still something, but I wouldn't call that a lot la. In exchange for the better benefits and rights that you get, they could be worthwhile ge.

-Lik

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-5 09:19

我當然唔係講通識教育啦~

當年Phy, Chem, Bio 我都冇背過乜野 model answer, 中英數就更加冇得背. 比著我有得讀通識, 我都一定唔會背啦! 通識呢d 科, 高分又點woh, 考到夠入U 既grade 就得啦! 駛唔駛走去背model answer 咁辛苦呀..
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-5 00:47

Diu... 我之前就係講緊通識教育都要背 model answer，跟住你就話唔使背，因為你唔係講緊通識。呢啲唔係九唔搭八係乜野？

通識嘅原意係想教曉（或者開始教）小朋友點樣去有獨立思考、有批判性思考。你家陣要背 model answer，咁咪即係同個理念背道而馳？咁你仲搞乜撚野通識？你估讀通識真係想你樣樣都識咩？

-力

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-5 17:17

Diu... 我之前就係講緊通識教育都要背 model answer，跟住你就話唔使背，因為你唔係講緊通識。呢啲唔係九 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-6 01:19

呢d唔係九唔搭八, 係舉一反三.
以前果d 科唔會背model answer 既MJJ, 通識科就更加唔會去背啦~ 咁你都睇唔明架...

背model answer 唔係睇下邊一科, 而係睇下係乜野人. 舉個例, 我當年出左名係數學科補習名師, 我可以令一個基礎都打得唔好既中五學生會考數學合格. o係目標為本既情況之下, 當然叫佢地去背model answer 啦! 唔通仲花時間去打好基礎咩. 當然, 大前提係我知道佢地根本只係想數學合格而之後都唔會讀數or engineer 啦.

而且如果你覺得背model answer 會令你有信心d, 我唔反對你去背. 不過我MJJ 就唔駛做呢d 咁無謂既行為. 當然唔背model answer 係會有後果既, 我試過中史科最級考尾十, 因為我冇背書...

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-5 17:37

Diu... 我之前就係講緊通識教育都要背 model answer，跟住你就話唔使背，因為你唔係講緊通識。呢啲唔係九 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-5 09:19

If you don't understand Hong Kong's 通識 or Hong Kong's education system, just STFU la.
You should stick to local education system which is good at training rioters who burn cars and loot stores.

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-7-6 08:57

the bargain is finally on table

作者: lazybutton 時間: 2011-7-7 03:32

As a parent, I am really sick and tired on strike every 2-3 year. I honesty don't care if the teachers are asking for will benefit the kids or not, because they DO NOT co-operate with the parents at all.

Luckily other than my full time job, my direct marketing business make enough money and can afford my children going to private school.

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