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作者: ecwkwok    時間: 2011-7-1 05:49     標題: 七一遊行

民陣稱有21萬8千人參與七一遊行
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民陣發起的七一遊行,最後一批參與市民,下午五時半前離開維園。一批人民力量支持者,晚上七時許去到灣仔修頓球場對出的軒尼詩道時,拒絕前行,坐在馬路,人民力量的立法會議員黃毓民指,行動是要迫使政府,撤回立法會議員出缺遞補機制。不過行動阻礙其他遊行人士前往行,有市民致電本台節目表示,人民力量支持者期間曾挑釁民主黨,她要兜路,才可繼續前行。警方開放東行一條行車線,讓遊行人士前往政府總部。另一批人民力量成員,已抵達政府總部。
民陣晚上宣佈,今日有廿一萬八千人參與遊行,是行政長官曾蔭權上任七年來,人數最多的一次。警方就指,有五萬一千人離開維園。對於政府就七一遊行的回應,民陣召集人范國威表示極之失望,指要求行政長官曾蔭權下台及撤回惡法的民意清晰,敦促政府推出政策解決房屋及民生問題。


【明報專訊】特區政府民望屢見新低,前保安局長、新民黨主席葉劉淑儀認為,香港回歸14年以來「有退無進」,今日與2003年時比較,社會累積了不少問題,令市民質疑政府管治,例如目前爭議最大的立法會遞補機制,她批評是政府低估民意,又沒有團隊精神。03年推銷《基本法》23條立法的她直言,政府沒有汲取23條教訓﹕「看到好痛心!」

「無願景 市民看到往下沉」

葉太昨日接受本報專訪時說,民怨積累與政府近月施政不濟有關,例如在派錢一事上效率低,令市民對政府沒有信心;官員捲入僭建風波、葛輝事件甚至司長涉嫌偷步部署選特首,加上最近的遞補機制,欠缺諮詢令各界狠批。

與此同時,貧富懸殊、樓房等問題愈積愈深,均令市民對政府信任下降,她形容現時香港已經「沒有願景、沒有方向」﹕「政府應讓市民看到願景,但現時市民看到的,只是香港正往下沉!」

低估民意 「為何黃仁龍咁遲出來」

葉太認為,今日與2003年時都是充滿一大堆市民不滿的議題,但現時經濟繁榮,與當年SARS、氣氛低迷時不能相比,可惜「市道暢旺咁多,卻無法擺平民怨,是管治失效」。她認為,現時政府在領導、架構、文化到操作都出現問題,但無奈看不到解決辦法。

對於遞補機制惹來社會反彈,葉太批評是政府低估民意,「不明白為何要在七一前推出來」,她慨嘆今次政府的推銷手法,比03年她推銷23條時更為不足,「看到好痛心」,「03年我最少做了3個月諮詢,7間大學去了5間,去論壇被人鬧到瞓喺度!」今次政府不單沒有諮詢,亦沒有團隊精神、欠缺誠意﹕「為何(律政司長)黃仁龍咁遲出來?特首至昨日(前日)才說話、政務司長隱形,整個行政會議去了哪裏?」

指政府缺團隊精神

作為前局長,葉太說提出問題並非要推翻政府,亦不希望政府倒台,但認為政府推銷政策是需要面對群眾。葉太稱,政府無可避免會推出不受歡迎政策,但要對符合長遠利益的原則堅定,就像她當年推銷23條立法一樣﹕「或者03年有人認為我的嘴臉討厭,批評我的態度,在23條上,我由始至終都只是為我推銷不好而道歉,但不是23條的原則」。

2003年有50萬人七一上街,推倒23條,今日有多少人參與遊行仍是未知之數,葉太認為,遊行的效用「只能是向政府發出信息」。政府會聽到嗎?葉太相信政府必定會知道市民不滿﹕「03年七一後,(時任特首)董生也要出來回應啦。

小弟今日都有去遊行, 總結來講, 不枉此行, 亦盡o左做香港人o既責任...BTW, 影o左D相, 等我執完D相 POST 上來...
作者: ecwkwok    時間: 2011-7-1 06:24

糖街維園入口
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作者: tiffiant    時間: 2011-7-1 07:50

ecwkwok in hk?
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-1 08:25

辛苦了
作者: 祈願文    時間: 2011-7-1 14:09

近二十二萬市民無懼攝氏三十多度的酷熱天氣,上街怒吼「曾蔭權下台曾蔭權下台」這次亦是曾蔭權政府上台七年以來,最多人在七一上街的一次
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-1 16:57

小弟今日都有去遊行, 總結來講, 不枉此行, 亦盡o左做香港人o既責任...BTW, 影o左D相, 等我執完D相 POST 上來...
ecwkwok 發表於 2011-7-1 05:49

Thank you 你。

順口想問吓,遊行完之後有無留守邊度?

-力
作者: soli    時間: 2011-7-1 17:27

力仔竟然扮唔知
顛狗等暴民共百多人在遊行結束後﹐阻塞馬路﹐非法集結﹐擾亂社會秩序﹐最後被差佬拘捕﹐一網打盡﹐可喜可賀
作者: Catpiano    時間: 2011-7-1 17:46

Sigh .. 遊行 D mud ar ...

Should 遊行 here more then HK la...
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-1 18:09

力仔竟然扮唔知
顛狗等暴民共百多人在遊行結束後﹐阻塞馬路﹐非法集結﹐擾亂社會秩序﹐最後被差佬拘捕﹐ ...
soli 發表於 2011-7-1 17:27

死剷,仆街啦你!我係問吓郭兄佢行完之後有無留守。

毓民佢地係和平、理性、非暴力咁去以身犯險、公民抗命。出得來行就預咗俾班特區公安拉。卑鄙無恥下流兼賤格嘅特區鷹犬就再一次面對和平嘅群眾,違反自己嘅工作指引,響毫無警告之下,對和平嘅集會人士出動胡椒噴霧。

去食屎啦你~

-力
作者: soli    時間: 2011-7-1 18:18

乜一大班扑街企響條大馬路﹐阻塞交通﹐搞到香港大塞車﹐損人利己既行為都係和平理性?
香港警察太仁慈克制了﹐的確不應該用胡椒噴霧﹐應該使用電槍先o岩。
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-1 18:33

乜一大班扑街企響條大馬路﹐阻塞交通﹐搞到香港大塞車﹐損人利己既行為都係和平理性?
香港警察太仁慈克制了 ...
soli 發表於 2011-7-1 18:18



你估D人食飽無野做啊?大是大非你又吾理,一味幫阿爺打飛機,收皮啦你!
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-1 18:33

欄癱,

你不如話甘地所做嘅公民抗命都係損人利己既行為啦,好唔好?

正仆街...

-力
作者: soli    時間: 2011-7-1 18:44

你抗命還抗命﹐唔好左住地球轉﹐人地渣車搵食既真係多得呢班扑街唔少。
香港政府又係無膽﹐應該學D西方國家﹐學下加拿大﹐幫執法人員配備電槍﹐一拒捕即電到班扑街痴肺﹐香港就太平啦。
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-1 18:46

力仔竟然扮唔知
顛狗等暴民共百多人在遊行結束後﹐阻塞馬路﹐非法集結﹐擾亂社會秩序﹐最後被差佬拘捕﹐ ...
soli 發表於 2011-7-1 17:27


Did the rioters burn cars and loot stores?
作者: ecwkwok    時間: 2011-7-1 19:06

本帖最後由 ecwkwok 於 2011-7-1 19:19 編輯

力哥: 小弟因為係第一次參與, 無諗住去到咁盡, 七月十三就話唔定會去立法會同佢鬥坐...但現場所見, 上至銀髮一族, 下至80-90 後, 幾乎個個都對現政府咬牙切齒, 絕唔係無o野做出來"襯"...你諗o下D 八九十歲公公婆婆係三十幾度烈日下企足兩個本鐘先比開始行, 都仲要堅持到底, 就知呢個政府係幾咁PK.

貓琴兄: 加拿大有"比較"完善民主政制, 例如當日大家可以一齊投票踢走NDP咁, 人民對政府有不滿, 咪投票踢佢走囉. 香港人就無咁o既權利.

tiffiant: 係呀, 我係響香港呀,所以可以證實你響”無人駕駛”D POST, 全部都係廢UP...  

soli: People learn from confrontation. 如果唔係搞到咁大, 就唔會引起咁多人注意, 然後正視及思考有關問題...

BTW, 香港政府為減少遊行人數, 阻止市民中途加入, 今年就用o左秘密武器 - ”法輪功” 來封o左遊行隊伍隊尾. 市民要響隊尾加入o既, 就要趕過兩三條街o既法輪功隊伍, 先有可能插入...而隊尾o既遊行人士,除o左大鑼大鼓大功率擴音器放”法輪大法好”之外, 就乜都聽唔到...
我都知法輪功我傷不起, 但無論係無意被利用好,有心無心都好, damage is done, period. if you feel being offended, my apologies here.
 
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作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-1 20:27

本帖最後由 ricrick 於 2011-7-1 20:29 編輯
你抗命還抗命﹐唔好左住地球轉﹐人地渣車搵食既真係多得呢班扑街唔少。
香港政府又係無膽﹐應該學D西方國家 ...
soli 發表於 2011-7-1 18:44



    請你收皮,死撐只顯得你不知所謂
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-1 20:33

Did the rioters burn cars and loot stores?
peter236 發表於 2011-7-1 18:46



你吾洗借題發揮,答案是無
溫哥華d rioters就係食飽無野做
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2011-7-1 23:18

鼠王芬軚已轉!唔好話上街冇用!
辛苦了Ecwkwok巴打!
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-2 08:42

高太道出點解要抗爭留守到深夜:

[youtube]jeA83_ubJQ8[/youtube]

一個普通、咁嬌小嘅女人仔、一個媽媽,點解要講到聲淚俱下?無非都係因為佢心裡面依然有一絲盼望、有一團火,衷心希望香港好。

我真係好想知道,當時在場果班差人一路聽高太講,心裡面又有幾多羞愧?佢地知唔知道自己正響度為一個卑鄙無恥嘅特區政府為虎作悵、做保駕護航嘅事?

唔好同我講佢地只係搵飯食,因為縱使落命令打壓嘅係禿鷹曾呢條賤人,響毫無警告之下、違反警察指引用胡椒噴霧攻擊和平示威者嘅,亦都係呢班前線警務人員。

-力
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-2 11:10

片就周圍都有,我地先睇吓生果報嘅呢段:

[youtube]D02jobRlt-Q[/youtube]

片段裡面,我完全睇唔到示威者有任何不和平嘅舉動。抗爭、不合作運動、堅守自己嘅位置而為特區公安響清場行動之時帶來最大嘅不便,呢幾樣野就有。我所睇見嘅係,你班特區公安一玩野,群眾就發爛去全部坐低。反而係特區公安響毫無警告之下、違反警察指引用胡椒噴霧攻擊示威者,就清楚俾人影晒落來。

再睇吓呢段:
[youtube]DBT5DVAdTR4[/youtube]

大熱天時,有假唔放,但卻要走去遊行、走去逼,你估真係貪得意咩?我地需要問、需要思考一吓嘅就係:點解咁大班人老中青,全部都要上街抗議政府嘅所作所為?如果特區政府做嘅事係得人心嘅話,又會唔會有咁多人出來上街?

[youtube]mFc9gteUEkQ[/youtube]

再睇埋呢條片。市民嘅做法,就正正係話俾政府聽:你呢啲無理嘅要求,越提出只會越令到市民憤怒。但偏偏今日嘅香港特衰政府就係一個咁倒行逆施嘅政府。

-力
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-2 12:32

高太道出點解要抗爭留守到深夜:



一個普通、咁嬌小嘅女人仔、一個媽媽,點解要講到聲淚俱下?無非都係因 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-2 08:42



like x 1000 實在太感人
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-2 12:42

片就周圍都有,我地先睇吓生果報嘅呢段:



片段裡面,我完全睇唔到示威者有任何不和平嘅舉動。抗爭、不合 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-2 11:10



    人民勝
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-2 12:48

再睇吓呢條片:

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試想像一吓,當一個政府失民心失到一個如此地部,社會各界、各階層都要走出來對政府表達不滿,咁呢個政府仲要來做乜野?佢自己下台一鞠躬都要噓爆佢啦?更何況係佢仲厚顏無恥到要繼續死撐落去?

-力
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-2 13:09

你抗命還抗命﹐唔好左住地球轉﹐人地渣車搵食既真係多得呢班扑街唔少。
香港政府又係無膽﹐應該學D西方國家 ...
soli 發表於 2011-7-1 18:44



    你老味,年年放煙花,搞到兩岸水洩不通,D仆街高官北大人訪港出巡,左封右封,咁就冇野?
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-2 13:32

又睇吓是旦台嘅呢條片:

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睇完之後真係火都來埋。人民力量果條隊度先得果超過一千人?數都唔識數就走去誤導觀眾,佢唔好去死?話群眾想衝過警方放線?點解對特區公安嘅無理打壓手段而逼使群眾和平向前行又隻字不提?點解班朝庭鷹犬違反指引、無警告就噴示威者佢又講都唔講?點解班差佬嘅各種挑釁群眾行為又無提?

而之後果隻高級警犬出來吠,扮晒義正詞嚴咁指責示威者、擘大眼講大話佢就句句播到足。

睇見大舊失晒聲咁接受訪問,我個心到up晒...

-力
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-2 18:02

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-2 18:05 編輯
你老味,年年放煙花,搞到兩岸水洩不通,D仆街高官北大人訪港出巡,左封右封,咁就冇野? ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-7-2 13:09

There are way more people enjoying the fireworks every year than there are rioters.

These rioters are violating other peoples' rights by occupying the streets far too long and making noise pollution into the night. The economic loss done by the rioters to Hong Kong is huge.

Your British prince visit to Canada is slowing traffic wherever they visit.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-2 18:57

搵咗好耐,終於搵返呢條片:

[youtube]G2y9ibebWgA[/youtube]

從呢條片,我地大家可以好明顯咁睇到,毓民親自帶隊、身先士卒,一步一步咁帶住啲群眾慢慢行。我想問吓特區公安:咁做係咪就係你所講嘅衝擊警察嘅防線?如果係嘅話,又係咪需要動用到胡椒噴霧來對付攻擊性咁「強大」、威脅性咁「高」嘅衝擊方法?更重要嘅係,出動胡椒噴霧嘅時候,點解無預先警告?點解要違反指引?

越睇呢條片,我就越覺得毓民係香港人嘅驕傲。

-力
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-2 19:06

搵咗好耐,終於搵返呢條片:



從呢條片,我地大家可以好明顯咁睇到,毓民親自帶隊、身先士卒,一步一步咁 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-2 18:57


This mad dog is the shame of Hong Kong.
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-2 19:08

As long as 毓民 is rational, I support...
作者: blue20ae    時間: 2011-7-2 21:09

本帖最後由 blue20ae 於 2011-7-2 21:18 編輯
你抗命還抗命﹐唔好左住地球轉﹐人地渣車搵食既真係多得呢班扑街唔少。
香港政府又係無膽﹐應該學D西方國家﹐學下加拿大﹐幫執法人員配備電槍﹐一拒捕即電到班扑街痴肺﹐香港就太平啦。
soli 發表於 2011-7-1 18:44


應該用中國特式方法,係用解放軍同坦克車。
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-3 00:12

As long as 毓民 is rational, I support...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-2 19:08


The mad dog is never rational. He is making excuses for his ruthless actions. People who are occupying the streets for too long are violating other peoples rights.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-3 19:44

支持七一遊行, 表達人民訴求~
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-3 19:55

[youtube]P7lmIwgUSYY[/youtube]

笨實~
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-3 21:38

回復 33# Lik

There may be more...
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-3 21:45

笨實~
Lik 發表於 2011-7-4 11:55

人地會唔會係真心係想去遊行去表達自己既心聲?
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-3 22:02

MJJ,你無病呀化?真心係想去遊行去表達自己既心聲,咁都要全程帶埋耳機?相都俾人影埋啦,仲要扮天真扮傻咁去亂up野...我唔該你用腦諗吓野先講出口啦~

http://www1.hk.apple.nextmedia.c ... 704&sec_id=4104

隔牆有耳:一句食屎 分清無間道
2011年07月04日

若要人不知,唔好太低 B。 7.1遊行後,逾千示威者佔據中環,唔少卧底警混入示威者當中。其中三名「無間道」冇嚟醒目,卧底身份被網民揭穿。高登網民幫呢三個無間道起朵,叫佢哋做「無間家庭」。當晚佢哋混進人民力量當中,一時跟大隊遊行,一時又踎低扮堵塞道路,扮鬼扮馬不斷收風攞料。

隔牆有耳:一句食屎 分清無間道

叫口號時卧底封嘴無間家庭清一色穿着深藍色 polo恤,孭住背囊,跟大隊一齊踎低堵塞道路。齋睇好似一個熱愛民主嘅和諧家庭,點知原來係各懷鬼胎,一人一部耳機不斷滙報現場情況,終於露出馬腳。網友話每次嗌口號時,特別係叫警方食屎,或同警方爆發衝突,無間家庭都自動收口或閃埋一邊,網民影低佢哋「全家福」,無間媽咪即時用傳單遮臉,最諷刺係張傳單劈頭寫住「反對警權肆虐」。起底組「巴打」即時做嘢,懷疑個無間媽咪係警方行動部公眾活動聯絡組嘅副主管陳秀玉,唔少社運人士都話畀呢位 Madam陳「招呼」過,有人仲將佢張卡片放上網。八方就根據卡片上嘅手機號碼聯絡 Madam陳,點知打咗成晚都飛咗去留言信箱,冇人回覆。

其實警方派卧底混進示威人群都唔係第一次。藝術工作者黃洋達喺 facebook留言話,當日遊行知道有大量便衣混入,特登喺台上叫口號「曾偉雄,食屎」,成班便衣警冇人敢出聲。當晚亦有示威者舉起牌,指根據《警察通例》,警員必須掛起委任證,抗議班無間道鬼鬼祟祟咁收風。有網民就話,如果班警察唔想俾人認出,下次示威可以戴面具,認真好「橋」。睇怕卧底警察下次都要諗個新造型亮相。

同場加映


7171師姐今年 7.1遊行百花齊放,八方當日喺邊寧頓街同怡和街交界偶遇一位師姐(圖),唔使舉橫額叫口號,單睇佢個編號 7171,就知佢係「身在曹營心在漢」啦。難怪呢位師姐有啲怕醜,孭住 7171編號曲線撐 7.1遊行,遇上示威者向佢敬禮,都唔知畀乜反應好。王家文攝


警察要唞唞音樂人黃津鈺 7.1示威被捕,翌日獲釋時見到成班 OT多時嘅軍裝也累了,喺臨時帳篷內小睡(圖)。佢話被捕後,大批反黑組奉命返警署,冇得瞓「咁我咪同佢哋講,要一齊鬧林公公啦」,大家相視而笑。


網民發現 7.1當日三位疑似警員混入遊行隊伍扮示威者,幫佢哋起咗個朵叫無間家庭,據講無間媽媽係公眾活動聯絡組副主管。
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-3 22:38

MJJ,你無病呀化?真心係想去遊行去表達自己既心聲,咁都要全程帶埋耳機?相都俾人影埋啦,仲要扮天真扮傻 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-4 14:02

你諗下, 如果人地真係真心來遊行, 咁就比大家o係網上妖化左, 比著你係佢地, 你個心會唔會好受? 我唔知自己有冇病, 自知道網上好多人都會寧枉無縱, 因為枉完人之後拍拍屁股走左就當冇事發生過.

我係唔明點解大家可以完全排除佢係真心參與遊行呢? 網上"法庭"其實都幾似共產黨, 冇左"疑點利益歸於被告", 要"被告"證明自己冇罪. 可惜通常證明左自己冇罪之後, 一早比人小到體無完膚了.

最後, 帶耳機行街唔得架咩? 我屋企都有人出街都帶耳機, 佢話方便接電話, 咁我覺得呢個係佢既自由.

-- 堅決唔參與網上共產黨批鬥既 MJJ
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-7-4 00:17

不論事實是無間又好﹐真心又好
力哥一直的所言所行﹐實實在在和紅衛兵在文革時的批臭﹐扣帽子行動沒兩樣。
其實................誰是"無間"????
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2011-7-4 00:32

老老實實,無論如何,
保皇派好多都漏口風要推遲表決,
71目的已達,
move on to 713!
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-4 00:34

呵呵~

你班契弟去抹黑我,都唔係第一次啦?事實擺在眼前你都可以唔信,你去向阿爺獻媚,咪繼續囉~

就好似之前啱啱睇到嘅呢個 post 一樣:
http://plastichk.blogspot.com/2011/07/blog-post_04.html


睇完高志森於 Facebook 對市民的侮辱之後,我決定呢一世人從此杯葛呢位人士的任何作品,特此通告

持美國護照的高志森導演說:「阻礙交通是抗爭的代價」是自私自利的說法!
高志森:「一班社會失敗者。」

我相信高志森先生第一件事,係要撕爛本美國護照 upload 上網,同埋以後留在中國,唔好再去外國啦,因為全世界的示威同罷工,都係會阻礙交通的,例如早幾日的英國大罷工。

相對於高志森導演的成功,我地一班後輩當然係非常失敗,因為我地唔肯投共,唔肯為呢個無恥政權擦鞋,付出時間去為社會爭取公義,而唔係只識賺錢仲要奚落爭取社會公義的人。

另一方面,我地呢班社會失敗者,都有好多唔同行業,為社會付出貢獻的人,包括一些佢成日想我地入場睇佢戲的專業人士。不過既然佢認為我地失敗,所以我地決定以後都唔再睇佢有份製作的任何作品,以免影衰佢的偉大而成功的名聲啦。

高導演,返去大陸拍套「我和毛主席有個約會」、「香港新變色龍 2011 啦」、或者「賣港偉業 」啦

作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-4 01:30

呵呵~

你班契弟去抹黑我,都唔係第一次啦?事實擺在眼前你都可以唔信,你去向阿爺獻媚,咪繼續囉~

就好 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-4 16:34

其實你都幾厚面皮. 主動攻擊人之後, 跟住就話比人抹黑, 扮受害者搏同情...
每個人都有表達意見既權利, 人地講野你覺得唔arm 聽都好正常. 不過當你覺得唔arm 自己聽既野就係向阿爺獻媚, 我覺得真係有少少走火入魔.

-- 以事論事 MJJ
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-4 01:54

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-4 01:58 編輯
呵呵~

你班契弟去抹黑我,都唔係第一次啦?事實擺在眼前你都可以唔信,你去向阿爺獻媚,咪繼續囉~

就好 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-4 00:34

高志森 said the right thing. There are many mad dogs and raging youths these days.
They are contributing nothing to Hong Kong at all.

Hong Kong government is among the best in the world.

Mr Lik, you just STFU la.
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-4 02:08

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-4 02:11 編輯






作者: ecwkwok    時間: 2011-7-4 02:37

本帖最後由 ecwkwok 於 2011-7-4 02:49 編輯

政府宣布押後表決遞補機制 (17:26)

[明報] 政務司長唐英年下午宣布,議員出缺遞補機制莫案不會在七月十三日二讀並作表決,同時會展開兩個月時間諮詢。

唐英年與建制派立法會議員見面後宣布,暫時不會在下星期三表決遞補機制的條例草案,並會在七月九月以政府的草案作兩個月的公眾諮詢。收集市民意見後,會於下個立法年度內,恢後及完成立法工作。

唐英年多次重申,政府提出的遞補機制草強調草案合憲合法合情合理。

他表示,對於去年有部分議員辭職並策動所謂變相公投,香港市民難以接受,社會的廣泛意見認為要堵塞漏洞,而超過一半的立法會議員都贊成對立法會條例進行修訂。

  表面看似是民陣/泛民勝了一仗, 其實鬥爭才剛剛開始...不過都好, 7.13 唔駛上街...
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2011-7-4 04:38

713照吹雞呀~!
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-4 09:41

本帖最後由 Lik 於 2011-7-4 09:57 編輯
唐英年多次重申,政府提出的遞補機制草強調草案合憲合法合情合理。
ecwkwok 發表於 2011-7-4 02:37

條條Fing呢條仆街,如果遞補機制草案係合憲合法合情合理嘅話,你家陣就唔撚使去龜縮再扮諮詢啦?

仲有我想講,香港人要求嘅唔係先諮詢再押後表決,而是要撤回替補方案!即係要收你皮阿,林公公!

-力
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-4 10:41

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-4 10:43 編輯
條條Fing呢條仆街,如果遞補機制草案係合憲合法合情合理嘅話,你家陣就唔撚使去龜縮再扮諮詢啦?

仲有我 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-4 09:41


If they 諮詢 then it has a chance to succeed in legislature.
In general, it is a system to prevent a few ruthless legislators from quitting, and forcing another money wasting election. It is not a perfect system, but will maintain some sanity in the legislature.

Hong Kong people do not want meaningless elections.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-4 10:46

If they 諮詢 then it has a chance to succeed in legislature.
In general, it is a system to prevent ...
peter236 發表於 2011-7-4 10:41



    請你撕爛本加拿大護照 upload 上網,同埋以後留在中國
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-4 10:48

請你撕爛本加拿大護照 upload 上網,同埋以後留在中國
ricrick 發表於 2011-7-4 10:46


That is irrelevant to this discussion.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-4 10:51

政府又再度龜縮,我希望佢地推出更來惡法,做成社會更大反彈,再做成阿爺更大反彈,一國一制,指日可待
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-4 17:20

仲有我想講,香港人要求嘅唔係先諮詢再押後表決,而是要撤回替補方案!即係要收你皮阿,林公公!
Lik 發表於 2011-7-5 01:41

其實我覺得先諮詢再押後表決比撤回替補方案好, 因為咁樣先正正式式體現民主既精神!
香港人係時候表達自己既意見, 我相信香港政府都係一個以民為本既政府~

-- 我愛HK MJJ
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-4 17:22

政府又再度龜縮,我希望佢地推出更來惡法,做成社會更大反彈,再做成阿爺更大反彈,一國一制,指日可待 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-7-5 02:51

你都幾黑心架woh...

-- 土生土長香港仔 MJJ
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-4 17:41

本帖最後由 ricrick 於 2011-7-4 17:43 編輯
其實我覺得先諮詢再押後表決比撤回替補方案好, 因為咁樣先正正式式體現民主既精神!
香港人係時候表達自己 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-4 17:20


黑心政府就係不停比屎你食,不食屎是你根本就有的權利,市民用盡力氣,現在只是遲少少先比你食,問多你兩句食吾食先,最後你都係要食,舊屎係政府整出黎,你一定要叫佢收反舊屎,你係吾食屎的,是嗎?
所以,不要給政府龜縮的錯覺誤導,一定要同佢講你係吾食屎的,713去圍立法會
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-4 17:48

其實我覺得先諮詢再押後表決比撤回替補方案好, 因為咁樣先正正式式體現民主既精神!
香港人係時候表達自己 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-4 17:20


Hong Kong government is among the best in the world.
We don't even care about the anti-Chinese bashers.
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-4 17:57

回復 54# peter236

You must be talking about pre-97...
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-4 18:37

黑心政府就係不停比屎你食,不食屎是你根本就有的權利,市民用盡力氣,現在只是遲少少先比你食,問多你兩 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-7-5 09:41

如果市民能清楚表明自己係唔鍾意食呢舊屎既話, 我相信政府係唔會迫市民食的. 因為呢舊屎阿爺冇話一定要食... 反而23條呢舊就食梗(因為基本法規定要做的), 只係睇下遲d 點樣既包裝先可以令呢舊屎好睇d, 等大家食既時候唔好扁哂咀...

-- 以事論事 MJJ
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-4 18:38

回復  peter236

You must be talking about pre-97...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-5 09:57

pre 同 post 97 都好, Hong Kong government 都唔會係among the best in the world. 知唔知點解? 因為Hong Kong government 冇我MJJ law~
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-4 18:54

如果市民能清楚表明自己係唔鍾意食呢舊屎既話, 我相信政府係唔會迫市民食的. 因為呢舊屎阿爺冇話一定要食. ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-4 18:37

咁MJJ你繼續又天真又傻落去啦。In the mean time,其他有心嘅香港人一定會極力(幫埋你)爭取呢個補選權。

-力
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-4 19:11

回復 57# mcjohnjohn

MJJ, you want to run for the third term SAR chief executive?
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-4 19:12

咁MJJ你繼續又天真又傻落去啦。In the mean time,其他有心嘅香港人一定會極力(幫埋你)爭取呢個補選權。 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-5 10:54

其實我都好多謝爭取補留補選權既人. 如果要人簽名支持甚至係贊助, 我都可以有錢出錢的. 不過, 可唔可以和平d 咁去爭取 (雖然和平一定冇激進咁有渲染力)? 我真係唔想見到有意外發生.

-- 支持民主, 亦唔覺得自己天真or 傻既 MJJ
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-4 19:15

回復  mcjohnjohn

MJJ, you want to run for the third term SAR chief executive?
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-5 11:11

而家未有資格, 遲d 睇下夠唔夠料law. 寧欺白鬚公, 莫欺少年窮, 希望我MJJ 有朝一日有心有時間去為香港做事吧!
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-4 19:49

其實我都好多謝爭取補留補選權既人. 如果要人簽名支持甚至係贊助, 我都可以有錢出錢的. 不過, 可唔可以和 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-4 19:12

徙氣啦~好聲好氣咁同班賤人、狗官、擦鞋仔講,又有Q用咩?民主白鴿黨和平咁搞咗成廿年,咪又係得個吉?大狀黨一日都話要響議會裡面改進現行體制,但係咪又係無用?我講過好多次,共慘黨係爛仔一名,你好聲好氣咁同佢講,佢只會當你係臭四。連家陣嘅特區政府,都係唔見棺材唔流眼淚。七一之前,四面八方都早就diu柒佢呢個爛鬼替補基制㗎啦?唔係七一同佢晒行馬,佢又夠膽龜縮?財政預算案又係,出來之後唔係全方為咁diu臭佢,佢會改咗個 MPF 6千蚊做派現水?

今時今日嘅特衰政府衰犯賤,你唔diu柒佢嘅話,根本就乜都做唔到。你條盲丙和稀泥仲要親眼見多幾多個實例先至會醒?!

-力
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-4 20:16

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-4 20:21 編輯

回復 62# Lik

毓民 go...

[attach]11507[/attach]
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-4 21:15

徙氣啦~好聲好氣咁同班賤人、狗官、擦鞋仔講,又有Q用咩?民主白鴿黨和平咁搞咗成廿年,咪又係得個吉?大 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-5 11:49

我唔知你點 diu柒香港政府啦, 亦唔知點樣先為之diu柒, 點為之提出意見. 點都好, 香港政府都係會應市民既要求去處理特區事務, 我覺得呢個都唔係一個好衰既政府. 政府當然要人民監察, 尤其香港呢個咁特別既特區, 市民既積極參與係非常重要. 有唔妥市民好應該發表意見, 有人鍾意diu柒 政府, 有人比較溫文d, 我覺得只要大家都係為香港好, 表達方法唔同都唔係太大問題.

-- 你有你diu柒, 我有我論政 MJJ
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-4 22:05

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-4 22:07 編輯
回復  peter236

You must be talking about pre-97...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-4 17:57

The British did noting to for Hong Kong's future.
It is the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region government that introduced the mandatory provident fund and the minimum wage.
It is the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region government that solidifies HK's status as a world class financial center.

All the British did was loot money from HK.

HK government has been able to maintain budget surpluses with no net debt, while most of the world's governments are in debt.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-4 23:27

The British did noting to for Hong Kong's future.
It is the Hong Kong Special Administrative Regio ...
peter236 發表於 2011-7-5 14:05

Peter 仔, 我某程度贊同"All the British did was loot money from HK". 不過我覺得係互相利用, 香港都有得益, 唔係英國佬, 我地有乜把炮去做亞洲金融中心?
作者: 嘉嘉    時間: 2011-7-5 00:03

無英國佬o既話香港都唔會發展得咁快
平均o既文化,教育,醫療水平都比其他地方高
貪污都無其他地方嚴重

係佢地幫香港set好咗一個好o既基礎
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-5 09:03

黑心政府就係不停比屎你食,不食屎是你根本就有的權利,市民用盡力氣,現在只是遲少少先比你食,問多你兩句食吾食先,最後你都係要食,舊屎係政府整出黎,你一定要叫佢收反舊屎,你係吾食屎的,是嗎?

所以,不要給政府龜縮的錯覺誤導,一定要同佢講你係吾食屎的,713去圍立法會
ricrick 發表於 2011-7-4 17:41

師兄嘅呢個比喻實在講得太好。政府無啦啦想立法來逼你食屎,你拼命反抗之後佢佢就話,好啦,等我暫時唔逼你食,問多你兩次你想唔想食啦?但竟然仲會有啲好似MJJ之流嘅人話,係喎?依家問吓你肯唔肯食屎,係貫徹咗諮詢民意嘅表現...

我唔diu你特區政府老母都枉為人啦...

政府須要做嘅係無條件撤回方案,然後一眾有份sell過呢個方案嘅有關官員(林公公、黃淫窿、條條Fing等人)全部要下台一鞠躬。唔肯咁做嘅話,你特衰政府同班狗官就等著人民來收你皮啦~

-力
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-5 09:29

無英國佬o既話香港都唔會發展得咁快
平均o既文化,教育,醫療水平都比其他地方高
貪污都無其他地方嚴重

係 ...
嘉嘉 發表於 2011-7-5 00:03


無英國佬根本吾會發展,莫講其它野,魚村一個
講到貪污英國佬就真係強政厲治,共產黨本身就係強大貪污系統
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-5 09:38

本帖最後由 ricrick 於 2011-7-5 09:43 編輯
我唔知你點 diu柒香港政府啦, 亦唔知點樣先為之diu柒, 點為之提出意見. 點都好, 香港政府都係會應市民既要 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-4 21:15


mjj,溫文係無用架,政府當你發up風,有眼睇,何況diu柒,都只不過係大聲表達意見及內心感受姐
吾係好似民主黨甘,坐向到話我反對,之後就乜都吾做,眼望望睇戲,做過街老鼠,之後走出黎抽水話自己爭取成功甘無賴架咩?
mjj,你為了下一代做反d野,你都係叫埋親朋戚友,713去立法會參加嘉年華啦
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-5 10:51

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-5 11:00 編輯
無英國佬根本吾會發展,莫講其它野,魚村一個
講到貪污英國佬就真係強政厲治,共產黨本身就係強大貪污系 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-7-5 09:29

It is the Hong Kong people's perseverance as the main factor that builds Hong Kong into a financial center.
The rise of Hong Kong as a financial center is partly due to its port location at Southern China and with China as the hinterland.
For the past 30 yrs, Hong Kong has also benefited from the rapid implementation of China's economic reforms.

Many of the other British colonies are relatively poor, e.g India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh etc.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-5 11:12

It is the Hong Kong people's perseverance as the main factor that builds Hong Kong into a financial ...
peter236 發表於 2011-7-5 10:51


所以香港人應該更加要保衛自己的努力、權利及公義,713圍立法會
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-5 11:25

For the past 30 yrs, Hong Kong has also benefited from the rapid implementation of China's economic reforms.
peter236 發表於 2011-7-5 10:51

Go PK la you~

In the first 15+ years of the past 30 years, I'd say China received more benefits through HK than HK did from China. For the longest time, HK was China's portal to the international world. To the entire southeast China region, HK was paramount to their growth and numerous other aspects in life. Back in late 70's up to at least the mid 80's, I remember my grandparents and uncles frequently having trips up to GZ and the nearby villages to visit relatives and such. Every time they went, they were hauling up stockpiles of stuff (clothes, food, snacks, tv's, fridges, radios, cassettes, books/magazines, etc.) as gifts or just things people asked them to buy for them from HK. And it wasn't just my family -- a lot of people with relatives in GZ were doing exactly the same thing at the time.

Additionally, it wouldn't be too far off to say that the influx of pretty much the entire manufacturing industry in southeaster China grew because of HK investors. HK folks were moving their factories en masse to various regions in SZ, DG, etc., and the resulting economic growth was both staggering and paramount for the growing China at the time. Because of the manufacturing prowess, the Guangdong province provided a dis-proportionally large share of the country's economic activities. Of course, you can say that the HK businessmen and investors made their buckets of gold as well, and you'd be right. But I'd say the overall benefits to China from the manufacturing sector was far larger than what the HK businessmen got.

As China grew, the balance of contributor / beneficiary gradually started to shift. In the last 10 years or so, China was definitely helping HK out when it needed the most help (SARS, AFC, etc.). For that, HK was certainly grateful for China's support. But at the same time, Grandfather is also increasing trying to control HK and bend HK to follow Grandfather's wishes. And that is what HK gets for helping Grandfather in those early years?!

-Lik
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-5 11:34

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-5 11:44 編輯
Go PK la you~

In the first 15+ years of the past 30 years, I'd say China received more benefits th ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-5 11:25


Your dirty mouth showed itself again, in the first sentence.
That is why what you said is not taken seriously.

Mr Lik you should broaden your horizon.

Hong Kong owned factories are mainly in lower value manufacturing like clothings and toys.

But local Chinese conglomerates in Shenzhen like TCL, Huawei and ZTE etc, are involved in much higher value-added technology production.

Major Chinese companies like Ping An Insurance and 招商银行 are major drivers in the financial sector in the Shenzhen and Dongguan regions.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-5 17:35

mjj,溫文係無用架,政府當你發up風,有眼睇,何況diu柒,都只不過係大聲表達意見及內心感受姐
吾係好似 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-7-6 01:38

ricrick 兄, 我相信社會係應該有balance, 既有積極爭取既人, 而有默默耕耘既人, 咁樣先至係一個equilibrium. 我真係問心無愧, 你地可以話我天真又好, 傻又好, 但我係真心為香港好. 講真, 你地班移哂民既友仔, 就算香港真係有事, 都直接燒唔到你地啦, 我就唔同喇, 我點會想香港唔好丫.

溫文, 政府當你發up風, 我都有咁覺得. 所以我好感激有一班比較激進既人幫手去爭取. 我只希望班比較激進既人唔好當我呢d 比較溫文係另類, 因為當激進既人頂唔住既時候, 溫文既人就會自動補上, 因為大家目標始終都係一致既 - 為香港.

-- 眼泛淚光 MJJ
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-5 17:38

師兄嘅呢個比喻實在講得太好。政府無啦啦想立法來逼你食屎,你拼命反抗之後佢佢就話,好啦,等我暫時唔逼 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-6 01:03

我真係覺得依家問吓你肯唔肯食屎,係貫徹咗諮詢民意嘅表現.
當大部分人民話唔想食而政府都迫人民食既話, 咁就係妄顧民意.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-5 20:27

你係人,明明應該食飯。家陣個特衰政府走來問你食屎好唔好,你都仲可以戇車車話佢係諮詢民意嘅表現,你都得㗎喇你。

唔好忘記,開始果陣,由林閹人曾特狗到民賤聯,佢地個個本來都話個方案已經有民意,所以唔使再諮詢。有保皇黨所在,本來政府已經夠票。如果唔係咁多人響七一出來diu柒佢嘅話,你今日就已經食咗呢篤爛臭屎喇!

-力
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-5 22:00

你係人,明明應該食飯。家陣個特衰政府走來問你食屎好唔好,你都仲可以戇車車話佢係諮詢民意嘅表現,你都得 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-6 12:27

人係應該食飯, 但你唔可以排除有人係鍾意食屎. (唔信你問下Peter 仔)
呢篤屎係有人提出黎, 佢話冇去公投既市民鍾意食. 問題係冇去公投既市民係唔係真係鍾意食屎? 我覺得唔應該剝削佢地食屎既權利, 但亦都應該咨詢一下佢地真唔係真係鍾意食屎. 如果全港市民都傾向支持食屎, 身為香港人既MJJ 只有兩條路可行:
1. 少數服從多數跟埋一齊食
2. 好似你地咁去走佬

我MJJ 只能講, 其實你地好幸福, 幸福並唔係必然既, 所以應該好好珍惜.

-- 打定輸數唔多唔少都要食d 屎既 MJJ
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-5 22:07

人係應該食飯, 但你唔可以排除有人係鍾意食屎. (唔信你問下Peter 仔)
呢篤屎係有人提出黎, 佢話冇去公投既 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-5 22:00


The Japanese have already invented a way of recycling protein from your sh*t. Now you can eat sh*t without any worries.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-5 22:15

The Japanese have already invented a way of recycling protein from your sh*t. Now you can eat sh*t ...
peter236 發表於 2011-7-6 14:07

Peter 仔, 你都幾好野架wor. 睇得出你係幸災落禍law.
唔好話我睇穿你, 你呢類脫離左中共控制移居外地既人, 講支持黨既野就輕鬆, 因為唔關你事丫麻.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-6 00:00

人係應該食飯, 但你唔可以排除有人係鍾意食屎. (唔信你問下Peter 仔)
呢篤屎係有人提出黎, 佢話冇去公投既 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-5 22:00


哀莫大于心死
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-6 00:03

Peter 仔, 你都幾好野架wor. 睇得出你係幸災落禍law.
唔好話我睇穿你, 你呢類脫離左中共控制移居外地既人, ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-5 22:15


Beware of Chinese traitors like Mr Lik.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-6 01:24

哀莫大于心死
ricrick 發表於 2011-7-6 16:00

我一向都接受少數服從多數. 儘管我亦明白呢個世界聰明人比普通人少得多...
放心, 香港人MJJ 仲未心死, 心死就會考慮過黎陪你地! 到時請大家飲茶!
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-6 01:28

Beware of Chinese traitors like Mr Lik.
peter236 發表於 2011-7-6 16:03

Peter 仔, 怒我MJJ 老實唔識講大話, 我覺得應該小心你多d law.
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-6 01:31

Peter 仔, 怒我MJJ 老實唔識講大話, 我覺得應該小心你多d law.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-6 01:28


Thank you for building the highspeed railway.
作者: matt72178    時間: 2011-7-6 03:09

對政治不十分了解, 有些疑問請教大家。
713 包圍立法會有何作用? 呢篤屎你就食硬, 因為HK 始終擺脫唔到中共控制。最後比人強逼餵食時, 大家可以點樣反抗?
作者: ecwkwok    時間: 2011-7-6 06:21

恕小弟冒昧搭訕...
713包圍立法會最大功用係製造聲浪, 話比政府聽, 人民係唔會喜歡食屎, 只有如民建聯呢D騎牆食屎狗先會鐘意食屎, 仲會撲住去食添. 仲有, 呢篤屎唔係一定食硬, 最少唔係夾硬屙落個口度, 係處理過, 好彩o既話搵個AV女優來屙添...
同時亦係做比台灣人睇, "今日吾軀歸故土, 他朝君體也相同", 他朝一日真係統一, 呢個就係中央政府對待人民o既態度同方法...IMO, 回歸以後中央/香港政府每次對民意讓步, 其實都係做比台灣睇...
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-6 09:22

Matt哥,

我會話,never say never。03年果陣,出來行之前無人諗過行完之後會可以達到乜野效果,只不過係大家都知道,唔出來表達不滿就一定唔可以接受,更過唔到自己果關。結果時至今日,23條一直不了了之,最多都係間唔中有啲好似犯婦人呢啲咁唔知醜嘅賤婦走出來借勢試水溫。淨係呢樣就已經係最好嘅例子。所以其實只要香港人每一次都走出來diu柒佢,就算係阿爺都唔敢亂來質香港人食屎。

更重要嘅係,there is strength in numbers。廢柴特區政府又好、阿爺又好,你香港人肯齊心出來晒馬,阿爺真係唔敢亂來。是關香港透明度高,而且唔多唔少全中國嘅人都知道香港係中華人民共和國裡面最開放、自由、同民主嘅地方。所以香港有咩事,國內唔多唔少都會知道吓,而阿爺礙住對外全世界嘅面子,亦唔可以做得太過火,更唔可以出動佢嘅殺手諫武裝血腥鎮壓。

講到尾:阿爺同佢手下班走狗會不停試,想引你、逼你食屎,但其實只要香港人齊心,阿爺其實逼唔到你食。

-力
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-6 12:03

本帖最後由 Lik 於 2011-7-6 12:10 編輯

我哋又再睇吓呢條片:

[youtube]L6Wph8VAMzE[/youtube]

特區公安/維穩辦拒絕讓救護隊去拯救一名膝蓋受傷內出血嘅示威人士。拒絕理由係因為傷者響 cordon zone 裡面。但跟據日內瓦公約,政府係有責任去保護無能力去做敵對行動嘅人士,當中包括敵對軍人、受傷士兵。好明顯,特區公安/維穩辦係草菅人命,拒絕俾救護隊進行拯救,明顯違反日內瓦公約裡面嘅條款。

前線鷹犬、爪牙對殷桑港老先生嘅呼籲無動於衷,我會話佢地冷血同不知羞恥。但我一路睇片,卻一路明明見到佢地個個樣衰衰、扮睇唔到、聽唔到,但卻又面有愧色,好明顯就係知道自己做緊虧心事。如此甘願為虎着悵,實在係可恥。

更賤格嘅係幕後果條指揮官/督察竟然可以麻木不仁,見死不救,我真係唔知道佢夜晚點可以瞓得着,生仔點樣可以有屎忽,收尾果幾年會點過。

從呢件事件裡面,我地就可以睇到當年我細細個所敬佩、仰慕嘅皇家香港警察,響今日變成特區公安/維穩辦手下嘅一個打壓機器之後,墮落到一個乜野地部。

究竟係暴民、示威者響度擾亂社會,定係當權者打壓基本公民權利,唔容許市民透過和平集會同示威來表達對政府惡法嘅不滿,從呢條片我地顯而易見。

-力
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-6 19:29

講到尾:阿爺同佢手下班走狗會不停試,想引你、逼你食屎,但其實只要香港人齊心,阿爺其實逼唔到你食。
Lik 發表於 2011-7-7 01:22

x 2
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2011-7-6 20:01

本帖最後由 Ovaltine 於 2011-7-6 20:12 編輯

Y'all would think I am crazy, but I would promote for the Independence of Hong Kong. The profit from governing the PRC is too great for individuals to handle, thus most of them fall into the traps of greed and get rich quick schemes. We need a localized decentralized government where our leader can have direct relationship with the citizens. Its time to stop blaming institutions but instead change our system through revolution. Protest will lead to riots, and riots will lead to civil war. Let chaos and lack of social order be the consequence.


www.hkfront.org
[youtube]gKEQE_2Y8CE[/youtube]
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-6 21:06

回復 91# Ovaltine

No market...
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2011-7-8 09:22

What would you suggest? Keep on protesting and criticizing the government? Clearly its a failed process. Revolution will start sooner or later. Just waiting for who is courageous enough to be the vanguard. My bet is Long Hair or Yuk-Man, even them I think would be 5-10 years away.
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-8 10:00

回復 93# Ovaltine

Trend leads the world... Independance only work at time of chaos... It's not the time yet obviously... It's the best of time, and it's the worst of time...
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2011-7-8 10:20

回復  Ovaltine

Trend leads the world... Independance only work at time of chaos... It's not the ti ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-8 10:00



Trend that leads the world: Globalization, Corporate Greed, Addicted Consumers in Material Fetishes, Wage Slavery in Industrial Civilization. Obviously its not the time, because institutions are eating up individuals through culture. Do you guys feel the whole world is psychotic? The kind of system we live in, is messed, money is power. What we need is an egalitarian society, not a capitalistic male-dominant egotistical society. Isn't it illogical? But many choose to accept our fate. Things will slow down though, and before we know it, we fall in to another Dark Ages. Glorious days have passed, the next generation will deal with the burden from retirement of Baby Boomers, Overpopulation, Gobal Climate change, Oil and food shortage, etc. etc.  Keep in mind that the Western culture had the New World to turn to spark a Renaissance, what else will they turn to now? Antarctica? Arctic? Libya??
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-8 14:13

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-8 14:15 編輯

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way - in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only. ”

—Opening paragraph of A Tale of Two Cities, Charles Dickens
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-8 14:32

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-8 14:39 編輯

回復 95# Ovaltine

It all depends, it all depends...

The main point is: too many people, too scare resources... What political system will work best in this situation? Neither capitalism, socialism, nor communism give you simple answers...

I can only say, the best system will secure the living dignity of being a civilized human.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-8 15:22

What would you suggest? Keep on protesting and criticizing the government? Clearly its a failed process. Revolution will start sooner or later. Just waiting for who is courageous enough to be the vanguard. My bet is Long Hair or Yuk-Man, even them I think would be 5-10 years away.
Ovaltine 發表於 2011-7-8 09:22

It'd take too long for a full and detailed discussion on this topic, so I'll just make a couple of quick points:

1) There is simple no market for 港獨 in HK. People may hate Grandfather for one reason or another, but HK is not like Tibet or Xinjiang. For all practical purposes, that kind of sentiments just do not exist.

2) No matter how you cut it, HK's fate is intimately tied to that of China's. Until various aspects of China catches up to HK's standard, things in HK will just continue to get worse. It's simply a matter of HK and China coming to meet at some sort of equilibrium point. You'd hope that HK can keep its ground and not deteriorate too much, but the fact of the matter is, it's 700M people mixing with 1.3B people. The 700M can hope they'll inspire the 1.3B to catch up, but that 700M can't make the 1.3B catch up.

The protest culture in Hong Kong, and specifically the numerous civil disobedience practices started by Yuk Man, are taking root. I see that as a good sign because it is a civilized method that is effective in further highlighting how absurd and ridiculous the authorities are. As an increasingly larger portion of the general public becomes aware of this, authorities will have to change or the people will make them change.

-Lik
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-8 18:58

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-8 19:03 編輯
It'd take too long for a full and detailed discussion on this topic, so I'll just make a couple of  ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-8 15:22


Hong Kong is getting better and better, not worse.
With China as the hinterland, Hong Kong's status as a world financial center is getting stronger and stronger. Hong Kong has big financial surpluses, while most other western countries are near bankrupt.

The mad dog Wong protest culture is crap as its violates other people's rights, and is despised by most Hong Kong people.

Hong Kong has 7M people, not 700M.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-8 22:39

Ok, I'll give you credit for this correction. My bad.
Hong Kong has 7M people, not 700M.
peter236 發表於 2011-7-8 18:58

As to your other BS, I suppose we saw the biggest 7.1 protest precisely because HK is getting better and better? I suppose your definition of "better and better" is reflected in all of HK's major officials' continually sagging approval rating, with Bowtie Tsang having his personal best and lowest approval rating ever?

Shut the fxxk up la, you worthless piece of shxt~

-Lik




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