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作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-14 11:46 標題: 港人不滿民生創19年新高

http://inews.mingpao.com/htm/inews/20110714/gb41656c.htm

港人不滿民生創19年新高 (17:12)

港大民意研究計劃的最新民調顯示，市民不滿民生狀況創19年新高，比率達58%，較3個月前升9個百分點。

研究計劃在6月27至7月5日，訪問了1011名香港巿民，發現在七一遊行前後，不論是以絕對或相對關注程度計，巿民無疑最關注民生問題，然後是經濟和政治問題。

至於滿意程度方面，巿民對當前的經濟、政治和民生狀況都全部出現負數，滿意淨值(滿意度減至不滿意度)分別為負10%、負39%和負42%，當中不滿民生狀況的比率更創出調查自1992年開始以來新高。

深入分析顯示，18至49歲被訪者較不滿民生狀況。此外，市民對政治狀況的不滿程度亦上升至2004年6月以來的新高。(即時新聞)

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-14 11:47

有眼你睇，特衰政府係做得好嘅話，民怨又點會有咁高？

-力

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-7-14 12:56

回復 2# Lik

When economy is bad, the living quality of "general public" is bad...
When economy is good (as some proclaimed), the living quality of "general public" gets even worse...

... What's the point of having good economy? Seems like good economy only benefit rich people in HK... Wonder what's the "actual productivity" other than blowing asset bubble?

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-14 13:19

When the economy is bad, everybody suffers. Most people can understand that.

When the economy is good in HK, the quality of life for the HK general public still suffers because society in HK is so twisted and warped that only the rich and super wealthy are able to reap the fruits of the economic development. The SAR government's policies only benefit the rich through ultra high real estate prices, which is why HK has turned into the worst city in the world for wealth disparity. In a more sensible government, social programs and other wealth redistribution methods are used to spread those economic gains more evenly among people in different economic / social classes, but the SAR government hardly does any of that. The puny social programs they run are barely enough to keep those in poverty and the grassroot sector fed.

That is why 民怨 and 民憤 is at an all time high. And yet the Establishment continues to stir the publics emotions up through additional policies and iron-fisted crackdown on protests.

-Lik

作者: soli 時間: 2011-7-14 13:33

死開啦。
香港政府做得好唔好﹐都唔關你呢個歧視中國人﹐叫中國人做支那人既加拿大人事啦。
食屎啦﹐食屎狗!

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-14 13:39

仆街，

關唔關我撚事並唔重要，重要嘅係我所指出嘅每一個要點同原因都係真確。你證明到我所講嘅論點有任何錯誤嘅話就請你指教。唔係就唔該你欄屍疙路～

-力

作者: soli 時間: 2011-7-14 13:42

回復 6# Lik

我同數典忘宗既扑街除左鬧臭外無野好講。

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-14 13:49

回復 7# soli
去仆街同繼續奶阿爺條Jer啦，擦鞋狗～學毓民話齋，你呢廷人，送塊鏡俾你照你都搵唔到你嘅自尊呀～

-力

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-7-14 14:48

又有一隻走火入魔

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-14 15:08

回復 Lik

我同數典忘宗既扑街除左鬧臭外無野好講。
soli 發表於 2011-7-14 13:42

簡單直接啲講，即係話你完全無辦法指出我所講嘅論點有任何錯誤啦？咁就唔該你欄屍疙路喇～

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-14 15:22

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-14 15:29 編輯

回復 Lik

When economy is bad, the living quality of "general public" is bad...
When economy is go ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-14 12:56

At least they don't have HST that takes another 12% of your money.
HK government even pays $6000 cash to each adult.

You just watch how Greece, Italy, Spain, US and Japan go bankrupt one after another, you will then realize how high the living standards Hong Kong has.

There are few places in the world that has higher living standards than Hong Kong.
Hong Kong can actually afford what they buy (health care, education, welfare), as the Hong Kong government doesn't need to borrow huge amounts of debt to finance their social services.

作者: soli 時間: 2011-7-14 15:22

又有一隻走火入魔
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-7-14 14:48

又一隻毒男﹐真係物以類聚。
醒下啦。

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-7-14 15:29

回復 11# peter236

Stop wasting my time if you can only squeeze those nonsense excuses...

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-14 15:30

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-14 15:31 編輯

回復 peter236

Stop wasting my time if you can only squeeze those nonsense excuses...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-14 15:29

I am just educating you on these issues.

At least Hong Kong government doesn't have HST that takes another 12% of your money.
HK government even pays $6000 cash to each adult.

You just watch how Greece, Italy, Spain, US and Japan go bankrupt one after another, you will then realize how high the living standards Hong Kong has.

There are few places in the world that has higher living standards than Hong Kong.
Hong Kong can actually afford what they buy (health care, education, welfare), as the Hong Kong government doesn't need to borrow huge amounts of debt to finance their social services.

作者: soli 時間: 2011-7-14 15:31

簡單直接啲講，即係話你完全無辦法指出我所講嘅論點有任何錯誤啦？咁就唔該你欄屍疙路喇～

-力 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-14 15:08

睬你都有味﹐你老豆老母生著你呢隻數典忘宗既蓄生﹐仲慘過絕子絕孫﹐真係丟盡祖宗十八代既架。

作者: zoids 時間: 2011-7-14 18:30

LOL, Lik and his biased anti-anything Chinese post again.

1011/7000000 = 0.01444%

enough said.

I just leave this number here.

I will only respond if Lik doesn't resort to swearing, name calling, or all other unrelated personal insults.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-14 20:17

LOL, Lik and his biased anti-anything Chinese post again.

1011/7000000 = 0.01444%

enough said.

I just leave this number here.

I will only respond if Lik doesn't resort to swearing, name calling, or all other unrelated personal insults.
zoids 發表於 2011-7-14 18:30

仆街，咁曾狗權得果700票唔夠，就算你唔計果800人小圈子本身就已經大部份係阿爺欽點嘅人來繼，佢咪仲更加無民意認受？

你呢隻賤人，顛倒事非我就預咗，只不過係無諗過你連歪曲事實都歪得咁撚渣～

去食屎啦你～

-力

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-14 21:34

LOL, Lik and his biased anti-anything Chinese post again.

1011/7000000 = 0.01444%

enough said.

I ...
zoids 發表於 2011-7-15 10:30

個調查就梗係sampling 架啦, 邊個咁富貴可以叫哂全港市民咁去做調查woh.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-14 21:36

仆街，咁曾狗權得果700票唔夠，就算你唔計果800人小圈子本身就已經大部份係阿爺欽點嘅人來繼，佢咪仲更加 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 12:17

可唔可以唔好成日叫人去食屎呀, 含Jer 呀? 你真係覺得用呢d 詞語可以令自己講既野更有說服力嗎?

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-14 21:46

可唔可以唔好成日叫人去食屎呀, 含Jer 呀? 你真係覺得用呢d 詞語可以令自己講既野更有說服力嗎? ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-14 21:36

對住啲不知廉恥嘅賤人，有需要同佢客氣咩？

-力

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-14 22:03

對住啲不知廉恥嘅賤人，有需要同佢客氣咩？

-力
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 13:46

唔係客唔客氣既問題, 係我覺得講得太多呢d 詞語反而會令自己既想法被人歪曲吧. 你當然有自由繼續用呢d 詞語去表達自己對某一群人既不屑, 我只不過想講下自己既意見乍, 希望你唔好介意. 唔怕講白d, 我真係怕你咁搞落去會走火入魔, 希望你比我想像中更強吧~

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-7-14 22:03

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-14 22:15 編輯

回復 16# zoids

Have you graduated from high school yet? Or you have returned your knowledge back to your teacher.

In Stats, in a sample size of 1011 citizens out of 7M population, if 58% of the people answer "unsatisfied", it means the survey is having a 99% confident level with +/- 4% error.

To simplify, the result of the survey can 99% conclude that in the range of 54% (58%-4%) to 62% (58%+4%) of the population (7 million people) are unsatisfied with the current condition.

1011/7M = 0.014%...

go back to your primary school la...

Or Our LYK TUTor Lik would be very happy to TUT you...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-14 22:14

1040/7M = 0.014%... go back to your primary school la...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-15 14:03

lo_pak 兄, go back to your primary school 一定唔會教到stat 之類咁深既野! go back to your primary school 就係會學 1040/7M = 0.014% 呢d maths 既計算.

stat 起碼都要 go back to your secondary school 而唔係primary school.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-7-14 22:20

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-14 22:25 編輯

回復 23# mcjohnjohn

I'm happy Peter didn't answer 0.014%, marker used to be very happy when seeing these answers, save them plenty of time just by giving a BIG red cross...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-14 22:24

回復 mcjohnjohn

I'm happy Peter didn't answer 0.014%, marker used to be very happy when seeing th ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-15 14:20

識Peter 仔咁耐, 一早就個Peter 仔唔蠢架! 當然, 我又唔至於覺得佢叻到soli 兄既程度, 不過斷估Peter 仔一定唔會答0.014%... 你估好似我MJJ 會答3.141592 咩. 算啦, 放過佢啦, 一個人唔會乜都識既.

作者: soli 時間: 2011-7-14 22:26

In Stats, in a sample size of 1011 citizens out of 7M population, if 58% of the people answer "unsatisfied", it means the survey is having a 99% confident level with +/- 4% error.

你以為自己好醒﹐如果我係marker, 你呢段野都一定係0分﹐原因你自己慢慢諗。
識少少就學人拋書包

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-14 22:29

你以為自己好醒﹐如果我係marker, 你呢段野都一定係0分﹐原因你自己慢慢諗。
識少少就學人拋書包 ...
soli 發表於 2011-7-15 14:26

soli 兄, lo_pak 兄既答案點都高分過1040/7M = 0.014% 既...
都係果句啦 - 算啦, 放過佢啦, 一個人唔會乜都識既.

作者: soli 時間: 2011-7-14 22:29

唔係客唔客氣既問題, 係我覺得講得太多呢d 詞語反而會令自己既想法被人歪曲吧. 你當然有自由繼續用呢d 詞 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-14 22:03

顛狗黃自己已經走火入魔﹐他的手下走狗想唔入魔都好難。

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-7-14 22:32

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-14 22:33 編輯

回復 25# mcjohnjohn

Sometime I do envy Peter for his ability to defend his belief...

BTW, you seem to be a lot happier today

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-14 22:41

回復 mcjohnjohn

Sometime I do envy Peter for his ability to defend his belief...

BTW, you seem t ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-15 14:32

我MJJ 鑽牛角尖唔會鑽好耐既, 你同我定啦! 哈哈~
Peter 仔係有d 料到, 我都想知佢係一個人, 定係一team 人.
不過, 如果有得比我揀, 我更想多d 了解力兄同soli 兄既真身呢!

作者: soli 時間: 2011-7-14 22:47

soli 兄, lo_pak 兄既答案點都高分過1040/7M = 0.014% 既...
都係果句啦 - 算啦, 放過佢啦, 一個人唔會乜 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-14 22:29

若單依靠開題新聞給的資料﹐zoid 兄講既高分好多~

作者: soli 時間: 2011-7-14 22:50

我MJJ 鑽牛角尖唔會鑽好耐既, 你同我定啦! 哈哈~
Peter 仔係有d 料到, 我都想知佢係一個人, 定係一team 人 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-14 22:41

Lik 在他大鬧四川地震版時(又是恥笑地震)﹐已被起底。

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-7-14 22:50

回復 31# soli

Don't pretend...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-14 22:51

Lik 在他大鬧四川地震版時(又是恥笑地震)﹐已被起底。
soli 發表於 2011-7-15 14:50

嘩! 我唔知道tim...

well, 唔知幾時先有人起你個底?

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-7-14 22:52

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-14 22:59 編輯

回復 30# mcjohnjohn

Lik likes to 鑽牛角尖 especially on those Chinese related topics...

When he is normal, reading his post is enjoyable...

Somehow, these days he becomes a bit hysteric...

If it is Peter, his photos look good... But it would be better if his comments can be more in depth...

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-14 22:54

若單依靠開題新聞給的資料﹐zoid 兄講既高分好多~
soli 發表於 2011-7-15 14:47

我地唔可以將自己既知識局限, 人地feed 乜野比你, 你就只係靠果d 野都derive 個答案, 咁樣唔夠主動學習啊~ 所以, 我覺得lo_pak 高分d, 起碼佢諗既野層面多d, 分析多d.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-14 22:57

回復 mcjohnjohn

Lik likes to 鑽牛角尖 especially on those Chinese related topics...

When he is n ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-15 14:52

好老實, 我覺得呢一刻成個LYK 最廢既post, 除左我MJJ 穩佔第一位, 第二位就係Peter 仔. 除左以上兩人既posts , 其他posts 都有其觀看價值的. 小弟覺得時事版係好好睇既.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-14 22:59

Somehow, these days he becomes a bit hysteric..
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-15 14:52

呢個就係我覺得心痛既原因.
不過我諗通左, 睇得開lu.

作者: soli 時間: 2011-7-14 23:00

我地唔可以將自己既知識局限, 人地feed 乜野比你, 你就只係靠果d 野都derive 個答案, 咁樣唔夠主動學習啊~ ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-14 22:54

統計呢D野﹐一向都係傾向保守既﹐人地無講就唔可以assume有。

作者: soli 時間: 2011-7-14 23:01

回復 soli

Don't pretend...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-14 22:50

諗到而家都未知道﹐看來真係還返晒俾學校lu~

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-7-14 23:03

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-14 23:12 編輯

回復 38# mcjohnjohn

Maybe Lik is 姨丈到...

, there ought to be couple days in a month...

(Keep it secret, don't tell Lik...)

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-14 23:35

回復 mcjohnjohn

Lik likes to 鑽牛角尖 especially on those Chinese related topics...

When he is n ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-14 22:52

唔係轉牛角尖，而係大陸每一件事都完全係超於常理、叫人匪夷所思。除咗天朝之外，仲有邊處地方個犯老卻咗個女仔之後，警察可以同個女受害人講話因為對方有帶套，所以唔構成強姦？除咗天朝（包括香港）之外，又邊度有咁多人係可以殺人放火金腰帶、修橋補路無屍骸？除咗天朝之外，仲邊度有咁多莫須有罪名？

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-14 23:36

回復 mcjohnjohn

Sometime I do envy Peter for his ability to defend his belief...

BTW, you seem t ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-14 22:32

I always give ample reasons to refute Mr Lik's wild claims.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-14 23:38

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-14 23:39 編輯

唔係轉牛角尖，而係大陸每一件事都完全係超於常理、叫人匪夷所思。除咗天朝之外，仲有邊處地方個犯老卻咗 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-14 23:35

You are a Japanese, why would you care about the Chinese?
Please do not waste your time here. Just go to HK and join mad dog Wong.

I think India and the Philippines are the worst corrupted democratic countries.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-15 00:07

除咗天朝（包括香港）之外，又邊度有咁多人係可以殺人放火金腰帶、修橋補路無屍骸？除咗天朝之外，仲邊度有咁多莫須有罪名？
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 15:35

好老實, 我真係唔覺得只有天朝（包括香港）係會咁. 呢個世界有大把地方有機會發生呢一個情況.
無論乜野地方都好, 都應該要爭取公義. 其實香港都唔算係一個唔公義既社會了, 不過我身為香港人, 當然想香港更好啦!

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-15 15:50

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作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-15 16:08

Just allow mad dog Wong to become the CEO, put him on the defensive.

作者: zoids 時間: 2011-7-15 16:14

回復 22# lo_pak

Oh, never heard of this kind of stats...

Did they changed the syllabus now in high school or I am just getting too old. This definitely not in my high school back then.

Say whatever you want, this kind of math never happens in my life. Period.

I wonder what theory or why such a small percentage sample can represent the entire population with just +/- 4% error... I guess that's why I am not a mathematician.

Oh well...

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-15 22:46

回復 lo_pak

Oh, never heard of this kind of stats...

Did they changed the syllabus now in high s ...
zoids 發表於 2011-7-15 16:14

一句 "never heard of this kind of stat" 就想甩身？連 random sampling 都唔撚識嘅話，你學乜撚野出來同人講 statistics？明明錯到貼地仲要扮晒無野／好少事咁來死不認錯。不過你呢庭賤人，絲毫不知羞恥就預咗㗎喇～

-力

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-7-15 23:03

they have the highest standard of living among cities in china yet they have the lowest satisfaction

just a bunch of greedy people who are never satisfied

作者: zoids 時間: 2011-7-16 10:51

一句 "never heard of this kind of stat" 就想甩身？連 random sampling 都唔撚識嘅話，你學乜撚野出來同 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 22:46

Wow... PMS much?  It's not even you who pointed out how the stat might work and even that guy provided nothing to prove he is right.  It is normal that I still don't get the stat part since he failed to explain his math.  He only stated his opinion which is not included in the article and I admit I am not a mathematician nor statistician.  How about you?

You aren't real activists or true politicians.  Why didn't you stop talking about politics?

What a BS spewing double standard hypocrite.  Look yourself in the mirror before criticizing others without thinking.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-16 11:00

Random representative sampling is the most fundamental concept in stats. If you don't even have any fxxking clue what "representative sample" means (let alone data extrapolation), then not only are you unqualified to comment on the stats aspect of the survey, you don't even qualify to have any sort of common sense about math and logic at all.

At a layman's level, you don't need to go to politician school or even study political science to understand basic politics. Social science 11 alone devoted a good portion of the school year to teach you this. But I suppose you are too fxxking stupid to understand or recall any of it.

Just because you are fxxking stupid yourself doesn't mean I need to be at the same (low) level as you. Never assume other people are as stupid as you are.

-Lik

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-7-16 11:56

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-16 12:02 編輯

回復 51# zoids

I don't want to explain the maths here, it seems like you are lacking the background for stats (quite time consuming for me

, those stuffs should be the next chapter after normal distribution, standard deviation?? Seems like you only know mean, mode and median...

). Whatsoever, there's whole bunch of info on web you can search for random sampling, population size, sample size... they are all simple concepts in stats...

BTW, it's not easy to setup an unbiased and objective survey (esp. for those setup by HKU, they are famous), if you really want to know more you have to study a little harder NOW...

知之為知之, 不知為不知, 是為知也...

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2011-7-17 09:22

You can use online calculator to work out the sample size.

Using http://www.raosoft.com/samplesize.html, it seems 1011 is not a random number for sample size. With population of 7M, 58% distribution, 99% confidence level and 4% margin of error (1 in 25 to be wrong) -> you need a sample size of 1011.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-7-17 10:12

哦，完來中大係唔曉sampling既。

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