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標題: 突發奇想－如果黃毓民是特首，長毛是財爺 [打印本頁]
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 00:19     標題: 突發奇想－如果黃毓民是特首，長毛是財爺

為何有此奇想，我相信大家自然都知道原因。因此發此帖看看大家是如何看的。

許多事情是說得容易做時難。我相信特別是做過生意或打理過自己公司的人應該知道我在說什麼並深有體會吧。
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-15 00:28

I vote first... I think it would be worst because I think both of them are born to be opponent to monitor the government... 毓民 maybe good as an assistant SAR executive officer, but 長毛...

It would happen when grandpa is insane...

It would happen when they are backup by PLA...
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-15 00:28

如果要有能力做特首or 財爺先至可以批評政府, 我覺得香港冇乜人有呢個資格了.
批評你, 都係想你有改善; 真係既哀莫大於心死係默不作聲.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 00:38

如果要有能力做特首or 財爺先至可以批評政府, 我覺得香港冇乜人有呢個資格了.
批評你, 都係想你有改善; 真 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-15 00:28


每個香港人都有監督和批評政府的權力和義務，而且這直接關係到自身的利益。

但以為自己就代表真理並逼政府非就範不可，那他一定是有過人之能，是否應該讓他上台呢？
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-15 00:54

每個香港人都有監督和批評政府的權力和義務，而且這直接關係到自身的利益。

但以為自己就代表真理並逼政府非就範不可，那他一定是有過人之能，是否應該讓他上台呢？
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 16:38

自古以來, 指出別人既錯處永遠都比做好一件事比較容易. 有能力批評, 唔等於有能力做好.

另外, 政府就係要為市民服務, 小弟十分認同每個香港人都有監督和批評政府的權力和義務, 不過表達的方式, 卻因政府的態度而有所不同. 香港政府給人的感覺是不大聲便不會理會, 久而久之, 市民便會覺得要大聲先work, 咁就造成惡性循環.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 01:03

香港政府給人的感覺是不大聲便不會理會, 久而久之, 市民便會覺得要大聲先work, 咁就造成惡性循環.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-15 00:54


我並不認為政府會怕市民惡，而是怕市民團結。 如果有５０萬人上街，不用做任何過激行為政府自然感受到人民的力量。

反而那幫癲狗在聚會結束鬧事，並將功勞全部歸到自己身上。 在我看來只是赤裸裸的抽水。
作者: rainbow-davie    時間: 2011-7-15 01:17

問題唔會即時解決,
但我敢肯定,佢地會真正聆聽市民, 尊重人權, 至少第一任唔會官商勾結, 會打玻局面.
政黨輪替在其他民主社會係正常事, 幾激既政黨上台後都唔會太極端, 會向中間路線靠攏.

我有時真係唔明香港人同中國人怕咩. D人激少少就話人地太極端, 少D經驗就一D機會都唔俾. 好啦, 人地溫水煮蛙,官商勾結經驗豐富既, 就可唔出聲任人魚肉
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-15 01:23

我並不認為政府會怕市民惡，而是怕市民團結。 如果有５０萬人上街，不用做任何過激行為政府自然感受到人 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 17:03

我也希望政府不是怕惡. 政府就是服務市民, 市民若是團結爭取一些東西, 政府也很應當聆聽他們的訴求. 你也說得對如果有50萬人上街, 不用做任何過激行為政府自然感受到人民的力量. 可惜這裡是香港...

要50萬人上街? 不是不行, 23條時做到了, 但那時是逼虎跳牆. 平日香港人有幾團結大家心中有數. 社民連和人民力量真係很有號召力, 尤其是那些熱血的年輕一輩. 革命是很吸引的, 尤其當你幾乎不用負任何責任和後果. 試想想, 你可以在人面前大叫口號, 宣傳自己的意念, 更可成為一個扶助弱勢的人, 多麼的英雄! 我不認為其他泛民政黨能在彬彬有禮的處事態度下能有這樣的號召力.

社會需要balance, 需要有民建聯的極端建制派, 亦需要有如社民連和人民力量的極端反對派. 問題是絕大部分香港人根本覺得政治唔係自己既事, 就讓呢班冇野做搵屎痾既人去處理吧! 我想, 一切待真真正正能普選特首的時間才會開始改變.

-- 自己都唔知自己up 緊乜既 MJJ
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-7-15 01:25

問題唔會即時解決,
但我敢肯定,佢地會真正聆聽市民, 尊重人權, 至少第一任唔會官商勾結, 會打玻局面.
政黨 ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2011-7-15 17:17

我唔同意... 香港既經濟實在太依賴一少撮人, 除非呢個局面能扭轉, 否則他們上台的話, 香港的經濟定必死路一條.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 02:18

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-7-15 02:23 編輯
香港既經濟實在太依賴一少撮人, 除非呢個局面能扭轉 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-15 01:25


我反而想知道他們到底有什麼可行辦法去扭轉這個局面，而不是在此吹水不需要擦嘴。

幾個月前，加拿大的前反對黨以為靠攻擊執政黨而不是自身的治國政策就能上台，錯判形勢強行推行大選。結果弄巧成拙反而造就執政黨成功組建多數政府，而自己卻慘敗連反對黨的地位都拱手讓與他人。自身政黨的前途遭到前所未有的挑戰。

我真的想知道那些癲狗如果有機會上台之後有何可行政策去建立普選，解決民生問題，拉近貧富差距，推動積極持續發展，鞏固香港的世界金融中心的地位。

我希望阿力的一幫人能拿得出一些上得台面的東西。（但知道期望越大，失望有可能會更大）
作者: rainbow-davie    時間: 2011-7-15 03:04

我唔同意... 香港既經濟實在太依賴一少撮人, 除非呢個局面能扭轉, 否則他們上台的話, 香港的經濟定必死路 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-7-15 01:25


你可以寄望D有千絲萬縷關係既人去打破呢個困局嗎? 無可能.
只有係關係網外既人, 先可以解結.  我唔係話佢地可以救香港, 但至少唔會有一個尊重人民既政府.  但呢個都係現實上唔可能實現.

所以, 我對香港係完完全全無希望.
作者: rainbow-davie    時間: 2011-7-15 03:10

我反而想知道他們到底有什麼可行辦法去扭轉這個局面，而不是在此吹水不需要擦嘴。

幾個月前，加拿大的前 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 02:18



如果有兩幫人:

一幫會令香港賺錢, 但經濟好, 無你份, 經濟差,你被開刀. 畢業無前途, 老左仲慘, 你既權利一日一日被減少.
而另一幫, 唔一定會搞好所有問題, 整體經濟可能差左, 但低下階層日子過得好D, 至少佢地會肯聆聽你, 唔係住係象牙塔.

你會點
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 03:34

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-7-15 03:38 編輯
而另一幫, 唔一定會搞好所有問題, 整體經濟可能差左, 但低下階層日子過得好D, 至少佢地會肯聆聽你, 唔係住係象牙塔.

rainbow-davie 發表於 2011-7-15 03:10


我要聽的是具體政策。

如果只是要我口頭說好聽的，我絕對不比癲狗們差。

你就直接告訴我你如何讓低下階層日子過得好D, 通過什麼政策可以做到。（溫馨提示： 是實際長期持續的效果而不是打興奮劑那種短期效果但遺留嚴重後患。）
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-15 08:08

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-15 08:12 編輯

回復 13# rockypath

The first to deal with must be public housing (that's what our former Tung proposed...). Although I'm not a planning economy fans, but I do admit that when market is not working some forms of methods/regulations should apply... Gradual asset appreciation is not bad, but certainly not to this type of scale tieing to the economy. The society has inserted the potential to the wrong way, which is a waste and it's not sustainable...
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-15 08:35

Secondly, I would try thinking of lowering the transportation cost... In HK, the network is there, but it's too costy for the poverty to travel between different regions to work, to study... Subsidiary 50% or 70% will certainly help quite a bit...
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-15 08:38

本帖最後由 ricrick 於 2011-7-15 08:45 編輯

你有甘既想法都幾搞笑，想扣帽子之後抹黑
黃毓民不是特首的人，他性格太火爆，他只能做亂世英雄，永遠的反對派，從港英政府開始，沒有變過，內外如一
可是他比你更有遠見，他以培育香港新一代政治人材己任，教導他們公共政策研究 、地區工作 、演說技巧及政治理論等，到時候香港更多青年人參政，政治氣芬更好，吾會得D人肉錄音機同腦生積議員

誰人做特首都是一樣，無論董也好、曾也好，總之，有共慘黨一日，香港一日都無運行
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-15 09:15

任何地方最需要嘅係一套行之有效、又對人民公平又負責嘅制度。到時邊個做特首其實都無乜所謂，只要係民選出來就可以，先進國家如英美加澳紐及西歐一眾國家全部如此。而石仔路卻依然只係識得停留響靠賢君來帶領呢個（低）層次，可見思想一直只係停留響封建時代。

社會其實絕對係一個不患寡而患不均嘅地方，但偏偏香港（同今日嘅中國大陸）都卻正正係一個不寡又不均嘅地方。毓民同長毛都係信奉社會民主主意（註：唔係阿爺果隻偽社會主意）嘅人，所以佢地（特別係毓民）提倡嘅社會政策都係偏左、會為社會基層人士謀福祉。

石仔路要抹黑別人還自己清白，我唔該你過主。

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 09:32

你有甘既想法都幾搞笑，想扣帽子之後抹黑
黃毓民不是特首的人，他性格太火爆，他只能做亂世英雄，永遠的反 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-7-15 08:38


你算不算是在間接話黃毓民無能？

就像一個沒有管理才能的人教一家公司的ＣＥＯ如何管理公司。 真是可笑。

他的性格火不火爆與他是否有管理好香港的理念和征策沒有什麼直接關係吧？！！！

如果自身沒有理念和政策，一味靠反對上位，小心得到幾個月前的加拿大自由黨的同樣下場。
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 09:42

石仔路要抹黑別人還自己清白，我唔該你過主。
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 09:15


我想是你要抹黑我來試圖證明自己清白吧！

香港面對的問題不用你講，大家都知道。 我問你的是你有何理念和政策去解決社會問題，建立經濟重現繁榮。

有屁就放，沒有就唔該你過主。
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 09:44

回復 14# lo_pak

I will share my thoughts with you later.

I want to see whether those idiots have anything meaningful to say first.

However, I won't expect too much from them.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-15 09:58

你算不算是在間接話黃毓民無能？

就像一個沒有管理才能的人教一家公司的ＣＥＯ如何管理公司。 真是可笑。

他的性格火不火爆與他是否有管理好香港的理念和征策沒有什麼直接關係吧？！！！

如果自身沒有理念和政策，一味靠反對上位，小心得到幾個月前的加拿大自由黨的同樣下場。
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 09:32

世界上無完美嘅人，而毓民自己亦有太多嘅 character flaws。我講得出嘅就係佢有陣時太過與人為善、太過容易相信人，搞到好容易俾人呃。花都季同陶君行就係兩個最好嘅例子。其他性格上嘅缺陷，例如火爆亦係一個問題。響組織管理嘅層面上，毓民亦多次承認佢唔係最好嘅人選（呢方面，大舊做得比較好）。如果你條仆街夾硬要話咁樣就係無能嘅話，ok！你即管去講。

毓民嘅強項係論述、論政、同政策研究。而作為領袖人物，佢老人家最殺食嘅係佢嘅政治魅力。但毓民最令人敬佩嘅係佢果一鼓身先士卒、身體力行、強權不屈、但又唔會戀棧權位嘅做法。淨係唔會戀棧權位呢家野，又有幾多個領袖人物可以做得到？

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 10:02

世界上無完美嘅人，而毓民自己亦有太多嘅 character flaws。我講得出嘅就係佢有陣時太過與人為善、太過容 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 09:58


講來講去還是放不出一個屁來。

證明癲狗一群根本沒有自己的治理理念和政策，一味靠反對上位。
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-15 10:07

香港面對的問題不用你講，大家都知道。 我問你的是你有何理念和政策去解決社會問題，建立經濟重現繁榮。
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 09:42

當前急務就係要打倒官商勾結、地產霸權。能夠做到呢兩樣野，雖然唔係全部，但好多社會問題都會迎刃而解。而呢兩樣野之所以發生，就正正係因為官僚體制無承擔、政制體系無民意（立法會一眾無民意支持嘅功能組別、無得選特首-包括題名、投票等等）。講到未，其實咪又即係要雙普選、要民主？

一日就淨係識得扮開明，再唔係就拾我牙慧，查實你咪又係淨係識得抹黑別人還自己清白！

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 10:11

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-7-15 10:14 編輯
當前急務就係要打倒官商勾結、地產霸權。
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 10:07


我挑。 講呢一句，八十歲阿婆都識講啦。使你來講？

我問你要如何打倒官商勾結、地產霸權。 而這些措施又如何可以解決社會問題和建立經濟。

齋叫口號，使你來叫？ 三歲小孩都識叫啦。
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-15 10:12

證明癲狗一群根本沒有自己的治理理念和政策，一味靠反對上位。
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 10:02

所以話你完全係盲嘅。之前個 post 就已經講咗毓民係信奉社會民主理念，亦即係 social democracy，係一個響政治光普裡面中間偏左嘅政治理念，所提倡嘅政策亦係比較着重基層。

講你又唔聽，寫你又唔睇，然後就淨係一味抹黑其他人。所以我話你只係會抹黑別人還自己清白係有講錯咩？

去仆街啦你！

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 10:16

所以話你完全係盲嘅。之前個 post 就已經講咗毓民係信奉社會民主理念，亦即係 social democracy，係一個響 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 10:12


你識唔識分“口號”和“執行政策”的區別？

搞清楚之後再出來獻醜啦。
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-15 10:17

我問你要如何打倒官商勾結、地產霸權。 而這些措施又如何可以解決社會問題和建立經濟。
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 10:11

Are you fxxking blind or just fxxking stupid? I've already said that:

而呢兩樣野之所以發生，就正正係因為官僚體制無承擔、政制體系無民意（立法會一眾無民意支持嘅功能組別、無得選特首-包括題名、投票等等）。講到未，其實咪又即係要雙普選、要民主？

When you have a democratic system where ministers, officials, and politicians are held accountable, a lot of these problems will cease to exist. To stay elected, politicans will propose and enact policies that are beneficial to the majority of the public, which means 官商勾結 and 地產霸權 will at least be dramatically minimized.

Democracy is not a cure all, but in a democracy that is not completely corrupt or inept, it can address a lot of the issues that we see in HK today.

-Lik
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-15 10:19

你識唔識分“口號”和“執行政策”的區別？

搞清楚之後再出來獻醜啦。 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 10:16

PK la you!

Who was the person that proposed and forced the government to raise "Fruit Money" to $1k? Who was the group that proposed and forced the SAR government to hand out $6k? (Actually, I think he proposed $10k/person.) If you think those are merely slogans, go shut the fxxk up and fxxk yourself la!

A$$hole!

-Lik
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 10:28

Are you fxxking blind or just fxxking stupid? I've already said that:


When you have a democratic  ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 10:17


如果香港現在就實行普選，那癲狗一黨自然就有機會當上特首。

但似乎他得不到什麼民意支持波，包括阿力你。  
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 10:42

PK la you!

Who was the person that proposed and forced the government to raise "Fruit Money" to $1 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 10:19


我在問你有什麼執行政策而不是齋叫口號。

真是可笑，“ｆｒｕｉｔ ｍｏｎｅｙ＂ａｎｄ＂ｐｏｃｋｅｔ ｍｏｎｅｙ” 點可以與打倒官商勾結，地產霸權，解決社會問題，建了香港經濟相提並論。

點啊，看不懂支那文啊？

A$$hole!
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-15 10:44

如果香港現在就實行普選，那癲狗一黨自然就有機會當上特首。

但似乎他得不到什麼民意支持波，包括阿力你 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 10:28

響你繼續廢up之前，唔該你立即認衰，承認自己發雞盲，完全睇唔到我一直所講嘅野，所以先至會講埋你 posts 18, 19, 22, 24, 同 26 嘅廢話。

-力
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-15 10:47

我在問你有什麼執行政策而不是齋叫口號。

真是可笑，“ｆｒｕｉｔ ｍｏｎｅｙ＂ａｎｄ＂ｐｏｃｋｅｔ ｍ ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 10:42

依家好似係你唔識支那文喎？定係對你來講，要搞雙普選原來唔係實質政策，而只係要來撈油水嘅口號？

明晒！

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 10:52

世界上無完美嘅人，而毓民自己亦有太多嘅 character flaws。

響組織管理嘅層面上，毓民亦多次承認佢唔係最好嘅人選（呢方面，大舊做得比較好）。

毓民嘅強項係論述、論政、同政策研究。
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 10:44


不要說我屈你。 這些都是你自己講的吧？

你自己都說黃毓民得把口，不適宜做特首。 不是嗎？   。。。。。。。。 ｈａｈａｈａａａａａ （ｓｏｒｒｙ， 忍唔住添）。
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 10:55

依家好似係你唔識支那文喎？定係對你來講，要搞雙普選原來唔係實質政策，而只係要來撈油水嘅口號？

明晒 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 10:47


我沒有說普選不是實際政策。 反而正是當它是個實際政策才問大家對黃毓民當特首的看法。

可惜連你這個死忠的弟子都不支持他。 真是令他老人家痛心。   哈哈哈。。。。 （又忍不住添）。
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-15 10:57

我確實係話我唔認為毓民適合做特首。咁又如何？

反為係你呢個無恥之徒，廢up、發雞盲、抹黑別人還自己清白、仲要斷正但又唔肯認衰。依家俾我追住來插就想借啲易轉移視線。

一係你就低低地來認衰，唔係你就去仆街啦！

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 11:05

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-7-15 11:16 編輯
我確實係話我唔認為毓民適合做特首。咁又如何？

反為係你呢個無恥之徒，廢up、發雞盲、抹黑別人還自己清白 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 10:57


講來講去你就是放不出個屁來。

就當普選是解決社會和經濟問題的不二法門。如果香港現在即時實現普選，當選的很可能還是現在的一班人馬或是與他們有相似理念，背景和能力的人。

連阿力你都不支持黃毓民當特首，這就是現實。

如此說來，普選又如何是解決社會和經濟問題的不二法門呢？


我想不肯面對現實的是阿力你吧！
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-15 11:50

仆街，

我唔讚成毓民去做特首，因為我唔認為佢係特首嘅最佳人算。但如果聽日就普選特首嘅話，而參選人又係犯婦人、條條Fing、振英哥、同毓民嘅話，我可以話俾你聽，我一定會投票俾毓民，而且我會話佢同犯婦人絕對會係最高票嘅兩個。我亦都會話，毓敏雖然唔係特首最理想嘅人選，但同犯婦人呢啲無恥舔共之徒來比較，佢更加會照顧到民意。

但如果香港真係有真普選嘅話（即係有提名權、參算權、同投票權嘅普選，而唔係阿爺想 sell 俾你果隻先由佢預先茜選，簡幾件再俾你全民投票），我絕對相信香港會有稱職嘅賢能出來參選並當選，然後一步一步咁將香港嘅問題，逐一順應民意咁來糾正。

講來講去，根本就係你呢隻賤種從來都唔相信民主、唔相信人民！去仆街啦！

-力
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-15 12:01

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-15 12:10 編輯
仆街，

我唔讚成毓民去做特首，因為我唔認為佢係特首嘅最佳人算。但如果聽日就普選特首嘅話，而參選人又係 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 11:50


The recent polls are showing Mrs Fan has 42% support.
For mad dog Wong as CEO, just let us see what he can do for us. It is always easy to howl as the opposition party, but much more difficult as the governing party.
The world is full of examples where changing governing parties or changing the leader does not solve the underlying problems e.g Greece, Japan, India, Italy, Canada and the US .
Just let mad dog Wong mess up as the CEO, that will be nice to see.
作者: rainbow-davie    時間: 2011-7-15 12:05

我要聽的是具體政策。

如果只是要我口頭說好聽的，我絕對不比癲狗們差。

你就直接告訴我你如何讓低下階 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 03:34


why me?你就直接告訴我你如何讓低下階層日子過得好D, 通過什麼政策可以做到。 ???

I'm not them. I can't represent them.  BUT, you can go to their website:
http://www.peoplepower.hk/

wiki; http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7 ... B%E9%80%A3%E7%B7%9A
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-15 12:10

仆街，

我唔讚成毓民去做特首，因為我唔認為佢係特首嘅最佳人算。但如果聽日就普選特首嘅話，而參選人又係 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 11:50


仆街，

我講的難道不是事實嗎？ 你能否預測誰會被當選如果香港即時實行真正實際的普選？

是你們班仆街將普選議題與社會和經濟問題混為一談。 就像當年陳水扁製造的假象－支持台灣就要支持阿扁，要解決社會和經濟問題就要即時實現普選。

香港市民不會那麼容易被你們借民主之名來愚弄的。

講來講去，根本就係你呢隻賤種從來都唔相信民主、唔相信人民！去仆街啦！
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-15 12:10

The recent polls are showing Mrs Fan has 42% support.
For mad dog Wong as CEO, just let us see w ...
peter236 發表於 2011-7-15 12:01

響依家呢個特首預選跑馬仔裡面裡面，得犯婦人、條條Fing、振英哥三個玩，犯婦人咁都佔唔到最多人支持嘅話，佢都死得啦？

-力
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-15 13:18

響依家呢個特首預選跑馬仔裡面裡面，得犯婦人、條條Fing、振英哥三個玩，犯婦人咁都佔唔到最多人支持嘅話 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-15 12:10


I think Leung Kar Kit is also part of that poll.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-15 13:38

仆街，

我講的難道不是事實嗎？ 你能否預測誰會被當選如果香港即時實行真正實際的普選？

是你們班仆街將普選議題與社會和經濟問題混為一談。 就像當年陳水扁製造的假象－支持台灣就要支持阿扁，要解決社會和經濟問題就要即時實現普選。

香港市民不會那麼容易被你們借民主之名來愚弄的。

講來講去，根本就係你呢隻賤種從來都唔相信民主、唔相信人民！去仆街啦！
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 12:10

你講嘅係乜撚野事實呀？你當香港選民係傻㗎？香港選民一直都識得公民最基本嘅權利：佢可以用自己手裡面嘅一票來懲罰欺騙選民嘅政棍！

假設性嘅問題我都廢撚事徙時間來答你。你要對立法會裡面因為無民意認受嘅功能組別視而不見，咁就等我再提醒你：香港特衰政府一直以來都係藉住直選得來嘅一細班保皇黨，再加上功能組別裡面嘅一眾狗賊加埋過半數議籍來強姦民意。遞補／替補基制嘅初讀之所以過到就正正係因為如此！

問責官員從來唔需要被問責，呢樣野又點會唔係可以透過民意認受來改？就好似呢度嘅 Gordon Campbell 同 Colin Hansen，因為硬推 HST 而得罪晒所有選民，所以政黨為咗保住個大勢，所以佢地兩個都要自動下台一鞠躬！反觀香港，林公公一個 hard sell 遞補基制，但佢唔鍾意落台嘅話就無人逼到佢落（阿爺當然隨時可以叫佢欄屍），而且亦唔會有影響下介高官人選嘅結果。咁樣即係算點？

以領匯來講，如果唔係家陣一大班功能組別阻住個地球轉，立法會早就可以通過要求政府收回領匯嘅各地商場管理權啦？咁啲商戶仲需要下下忍受領匯不斷無敵加租？

如果唔係保皇黨+功能組別阻住個地球轉，立法會會唔可以通過啲要徹查發水樓嘅事宜？地產霸權有可以響香港咁囂張？！

講來講去，香港嘅萬惡之源都可以追索返去功能組別同無民意認受性果度。邊個係賤種，邊個係仆街，全部都好明顯！

去仆街死啦你！

-力
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-15 13:47

仆街，

我講的難道不是事實嗎？ 你能否預測誰會被當選如果香港即時實行真正實際的普選？

是你們班仆街 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 12:10


民主不是完美，但有自我修正功能
陳水扁現在也得到報應，這就是民主可取之處
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-15 13:54

功能組別 is so reductant these days... Other than consolidating central power, it has lost most of the initial anticipation to an useless level... Shame of keeping this group...
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-15 14:06

民主不是完美，但有自我修正功能
陳水扁現在也得到報應，這就是民主可取之處 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-7-15 13:47

That is not always true. Democracy may work better in Chinese societies.
But democracy is not solving corruption problem in India, Philippines and Greece, the source of western democracy.
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-15 14:11

回復 42# peter236

Not this time, is it?
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-15 14:13

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-15 14:34 編輯

回復 46# peter236

To remind most of you...
You guys have missed the importance of the neutuality of justice system.
It's an important portion of demoracy...

Peter, do you trust the justice system in China? Most people don't if it's related to politics...
Democracy only works in China if and only if the justice system can be totally isolated from the CP or other interest groups.... Most of the problems happened becuase the CP has the power to override the law...
One day, if the justice system is totally independant, I will be 100% supporting your argument...
作者: soli    時間: 2011-7-15 15:09

如果有兩幫人:

一幫會令香港賺錢, 但經濟好, 無你份, 經濟差,你被開刀. 畢業無前途, 老左仲慘, 你既權 ...
rainbow-davie 發表於 2011-7-15 03:10

資本主義社會裡面﹐就算經濟好﹐亦唔代表D人可以咩都唔做就發達。
經濟好﹐只會創造更多機會﹐讓有能力﹐有志氣同有膽識既人去掌握機會, 去成功。
那些沒能力﹐沒志氣同沒膽識既人﹐在資本主義社會裡面﹐原本就是要被淘汰既一群﹐經濟好定壞﹐當然與他們無關。
除非閣下認為香港要轉型做福利社會﹐奉行社會主義﹐甚至共產主義﹐那班要去幫助那班沒能力﹐沒志氣同沒膽識既人。
作者: soli    時間: 2011-7-15 15:15

本帖最後由 soli 於 2011-7-15 15:18 編輯
你算不算是在間接話黃毓民無能？

就像一個沒有管理才能的人教一家公司的ＣＥＯ如何管理公司。 真是可笑 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-15 09:32

黃毓民就是無能之輩。
做邊樣衰邊樣﹐無野搞得成功。
做教授﹐比學生玩。
搞報紙﹐差點破產。
做phone in, 俾人炒魷。
搞麵檔﹐關門大吉。
搞政黨﹐俾人踢出黨。
他的一生﹐就只有用失敗來形容。

看他幾時又會同陳偉業反面﹐區選係黃毓民政治生涯既終點﹐當然亦會是一個大失敗。   
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-15 15:20

資本主義社會裡面﹐就算經濟好﹐亦唔代表D人可以咩都唔做就發達。
經濟好﹐只會創造更多機會﹐讓有能力﹐有志氣同有膽識既人去掌握機會, 去成功。
那些沒能力﹐沒志氣同沒膽識既人﹐在資本主義社會裡面﹐原本就是要被淘汰既一群﹐經濟好定壞﹐當然與他們無關。
除非閣下認為香港要轉型做福利社會﹐奉行社會主義﹐甚至共產主義﹐那班要去幫助那班沒能力﹐沒志氣同沒膽識既人。
soli 發表於 2011-7-15 15:09

仆街，

今日嘅香港係，除非你係一少撮嘅特權階級（如+x哥）、大資產商、有財有勢、金融新貴等等，如果唔係根本唔會有運行。打一世牛工，到頭來嘅畢生積蓄都只不過係用晒來供樓，但+x哥就繼續日日月月年年賺到盆滿缽滿。如果你覺得咁樣都無問題嘅話，ok，你繼續去做你嘅仆街仔。

依家唔係啲人唔肯努力，而係就算你窮畢生嘅精力都好難向上爬、好難有 social mobility。

全面嘅市場經濟係冷酷嘅，而你就好明顯係信奉佢死佢賤嘅賤人。

-力
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-15 15:32

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-15 15:38 編輯

回復 51# Lik

I would rather say the current system has surpressed the "normal" living quality of the "general" public... In other words, it's tilted... I don't think a 功利 society is what HKer's anticipated... For some capitalists, they would rather having a grinder prepared for the poors at time when they are asking for welfare...
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-15 15:52

回復  peter236

To remind most of you...
You guys have missed the importance of the neutuality of j ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-15 14:13

Are the Indian, Philippine and Greek justice system totally independent of the government?
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-15 16:06

資本主義社會裡面﹐就算經濟好﹐亦唔代表D人可以咩都唔做就發達。
經濟好﹐只會創造更多機會﹐讓有能力﹐ ...
soli 發表於 2011-7-15 15:09


甘你應為加拿大的制度如何？
作者: soli    時間: 2011-7-15 16:41

加拿大就是福利社會。
國民生產力負擔不了龐大的社會福利﹐所以欠債屢屢。
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-16 03:40

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-7-16 03:49 編輯
回復  rockypath

The first to deal with must be public housing (that's what our former Tung propose ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-15 08:08


Lik and his friends have presented their opinions and what they said were not out of our expectation at all the same old 三幅屁. It is fortunate that HK is not ruled under them.

I can only have short response for this complex issue since I had wasted too much time on educating Lik and need to catch up what I left behind.

I am not an expert neither in HK economy nor politic. I just share my thoughts and welcome meaningful feedback and corrections.

I agree with you that the issue of housing is the heaviest burden HK people are facing on daily basis and the HK government needs to address this issue urgently if it wants to maintain the social stability and economic growth.

However, I don’t think the government can tackle this issue directly. The impact created by the instability of the real state market will be too huge and forces the HK government to take any real state related policy with extreme caution.

Real state is one of the most fundamental investment options of HK people and businesses. You should understand what I want to say.

To ease the heat of the real state market, HK government must create other alternative investment options to allow the money to flow away from the real state market.

Before the government can create those alternative options, I don’t think it has the courage to implement any serious policy to discourage continuing investing in real state. It would be suicidal if the government does so since those capitals could flow out to other foreign markets which will be devastating to HK economy and its status as a world finance center. I think this should be one of the reasons the HK government dare not take actions on 地產霸權。   

I know I should elaborate more but I don’t have the time to do so. You can share your points if you are interested and I will respond at a later time.

P.S. -- I am curious to know when people demonstrated and demand the government to 打倒地產霸權, do they have any idea how to 打倒地產霸權 and the impacts after 地產霸權被打倒？ Part of 地產霸權 is actually their own invested money. It is ironic, isn't it?
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-7-16 09:54

本帖最後由 ricrick 於 2011-7-16 10:03 編輯
加拿大就是福利社會。
國民生產力負擔不了龐大的社會福利﹐所以欠債屢屢。 ...
soli 發表於 2011-7-15 16:41



福利社會是共產主義和資本主義國家之間的中間路線，是發達國家中都降低了貧困現象的必然路線，得到的就是真正和諧，香港行這一步卓卓有餘，有錢人雖交多了稅，但仍然絕不成問題，生活安穩。

貧富懸殊是一切社會問題的禍根。若你不喜歡，請你不要在加拿大浪費資源，你大可以滾回極右極惡的官僚資本主義中國大陸，做你的高幹子弟，享盡榮華富貴，幾十億奴隸為你服務，若不是，你就做一世民工奴隸，受一切壓迫，最終成為下一位革命隊員吧。
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-16 11:02

福利社會是共產主義和資本主義國家之間的中間路線，是發達國家中都降低了貧困現象的必然路線，得到的就 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-7-16 09:54

師兄，

我真係越來越鍾意你～

-力
作者: rainbow-davie    時間: 2011-7-16 11:08

ＬＩＫ。。　你變心? 唔再中意我?
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-16 11:18

ＬＩＫ。。　你變心? 唔再中意我?
rainbow-davie 發表於 2011-7-16 11:08

師兄，大家講嘅都係人話，所以我一樣咁 buy 你㗎～

-力
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-16 11:24

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-16 11:25 編輯

回復 56# rockypath

There is no simple solution that can minimize the impact without having a big hit to the market... And one of the reason is that the government has inserted too much stimulus on the market to set the bubble up... Resolving the problem is always better to be sooner rather than later... Market will collapse one day (free market is not perfect). At the time when the bubble burst please don't cry help to anyone because the case is already "certified" - guess who's going to pay the bill?...
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-16 16:32

回復  rockypath

There is no simple solution that can minimize the impact without having a big hit  ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-16 11:24


Yes, when the real state gets too hot and the housing prices become unaffordable, we blame the government. However, real state has always been an important foundation and cornerstone to establish the prosperity of Hong Kong. Why didn’t the HK people praise the government for that?

HK is a free economy market and running under capitalism. The capital and investment behaviours are driven by profit and opportunities. When those people demonstrate on street and demand the government to 打倒地產霸權, how many of them have a clear idea of what they are asking for and what kind of objectives they want to achieve? Sorry, I don’t think so. Just like our dearest idiot LIK here. He also has no clue of what he said and what he wanted to achieve.

Let’s ask these questions.

1)        How many of these people did not have any investment in real state or relating business?
2)        How many of them actually want to see the real state market gets cold and the value of their real states go down?
3)        How many of them will believe their life and job securities won’t be affected if the real state market gets cold?

Does the HK government have the power to intervene the market and cool it down as demanded by those people? Yes, absolutely. However, what will the consequences be if the government did that?

First, where the free (hot) money will goes when the real state is no longer a viable market for investment? Most likely the easies choice will be the stock market. What can we expect? Bubble, of course. That will be a devastating situation.

Second, if the stock market crash, where will the money go? They will be likely pursuing other opportunities outside of HK.

The diminishing of HK as a world finance center will be roaming on the horizon.

It is always easy to say and hard to execute.

Will 普選 be a solution to this? Can you see how naive our dearest idiot LIK is?  

In my opinion, the HK government needs to take its surplus reserve to invest in the development of new economy and redirect the capitals to invest in those new opportunities (Our idiot LIK also opposed to this idea and he would rather take the $6000). Unless alternative opportunities are available, I don’t think the HK government can do much. What they can do is just easing the anger of people by building the “public housing” again, BUT at a SLOW pace.
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-16 16:48

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-16 16:57 編輯

回復 62# rockypath

Ask one simple question. Do you think it worths that much to purchase an apartment unit in HK?

In a healthy economy (if market runs normally), one shouldn't pay more than 30%-35% of their after tax income just on living (either paying mortgage or rent)...

Either you are not suited to that place, or the other way, that place is not suited for you...
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-16 18:48

回復  rockypath

Ask one simple question. Do you think it worths that much to purchase an apartment ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-16 16:48


Whether an apartment unit worth its price is a relative measure but is not an absolute dollar amount. The same house won’t be sold for the same price at the Vancouver west end as if it is located at the east side.

Yes, people living in a healthy economy with decent living standard shouldn’t pay more than 35% of their income on shelter. However, why is not because their income is too low (relatively) instead the price of housing is too high?

Why the income level of average HK people cannot catch up with the price of housing is the key we should question the HK government and that is the key area the government can work on and should take the responsibility for.   

In my opinion, focusing on improving the income level instead of suppressing the prices of real state is a much healthier approach and as same to the economy.
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-17 08:51

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-17 09:08 編輯

回復 64# rockypath

Your proposal is not practical either... 與虎謀皮...  Wish the employer to increase the wages to meet certain living standard without strong union backup... ... You won't get any results... 3 years, 3 years, and another 3 years... 10 years is coming la...

Entrepreneur used to be smarter in thinking solutions... Real estate generates too much easy money in HK (as long as you have $$ backup). Shifting the risk to them I won't see any difficulties, and be more realistic (they would keep barking, barking, but turn out to be doing business again)... Investment always involve risk, that's why it has higher return...
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-17 08:59

Without wasting too much time on you, I'll just say that it is much easier, faster, and more easily achievable for the SAR government to bring real estate prices back to reasonable levels than it is to try to raise income levels (without causing inflation problems). Numerous plans can be introduced, the easiest of which are simply just the re-introduction of public housing (居屋) into the market. Alternative and innovative housing ideas could also be explored, and I have heard of a few (some were 1/2 baked, and some were better than others).

The fact of the matter is, the current SAR government under Bowtie Tsang's "leadership" is utterly useless, and only interested in serving the needs of big business and the rich and powerful.

-Lik
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-17 11:55

Without wasting too much time on you, I'll just say that it is much easier, faster, and more easily  ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-17 08:59


First, what is a reasonable price level? Can you give a number?

Second, tell us what is your proposal on how to 打倒地產霸權。 Don't give us the shxt of 普選 again.

Third, just ask yourself - why did you not see the people of the wealthy western countries complain about the inflation while their wages had increased ten and hundred times compare to what their grandfathers received?   

If you have the ability to comprehend and answer my last question, then you will be able to understand what I said. Otherwise, pick up some books and learn the basic first. Otherwise, you can only be a blinded mad dog.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-17 11:56

回復  rockypath

Your proposal is not practical either...  與虎謀皮...  Wish the employer to incr ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-17 08:51


I believe you didn’t understand what I said. I never said the government should force the employers to raise wages.

I had said HK is running under capitalism and wage level is driven by market demand.

I had said a lot. Before going further, I would pause and listen to your proposal of how to 打倒地產霸權 and still helping the economy.
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-17 12:07

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-17 12:09 編輯
Without wasting too much time on you, I'll just say that it is much easier, faster, and more easily  ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-17 08:59

When is Canada going to build some public housing 居屋? What is the total supply of 居屋 in Canada?

How do you prevent 地產霸權 from buying the expensive lands in downtown Vancouver?
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-17 12:20

First, what is a reasonable price level? Can you give a number?

Second, tell us what is your proposal on how to 打倒地產霸權。 Don't give us the shxt of 普選 again.

Third, just ask yourself - why did you not see the people of the wealthy western countries complain about the inflation while their wages had increased ten and hundred times compare to what their grandfathers received?   

If you have the ability to comprehend and answer my last question, then you will be able to understand what I said. Otherwise, pick up some books and learn the basic first. Otherwise, you can only be a blinded mad dog.
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-17 11:55

Diu, you said it yourself earlier la. Housing cost that is roughly in the mid-30% of people's salary ar mah. That's pretty much the generally accepted level in financial planning. Hong Kong's affordability index is way beyond that. Vancovuer's index is higher than that as well, but not quite as bad as HK's.

The simplest action is to simply re-start 居屋 construction. You could also increase 公屋 supply in conjunction with a revived 居屋 construction. Legislators have been lobbying the SAR government to do that for quite some time, but it wasn't until Grandfather's HK-Macau supervisor came and told Bowtie Tsang in his face that he needs to re-start the public housing project. Why do you think the government can simply ignore the wishes of its people and continue to feed the big developers? Again, it all goes back to the existence of the functional constituency and how their existence is an insult to the democratic process. If LegCo members were all directly elected, LegCo could exercise a lot more pressure on the government.

If you had any sort of intelligence at all, you'd see why other countries can diversify into different industries while the same conditions can't apply in HK. I'll give you a hint -- consider how big HK is, and where HK's strength lies. HK isn't exactly just a one-trick pony, but there are lots of limiting factors in what HK could become. If you remember 老懵董 and all the failed promises that he brought up before, you'd see what I am talking about. But hey, I have no expectations from you at all~

-Lik
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-17 12:21

When is Canada going to build some public housing 居屋? What is the total supply of 居屋 in Canada? ...
peter236 發表於 2011-7-17 12:07

Stupid fxxkhead, don't waste my time. Move out to the boonies if you can't afford to live in DT.

-Lik
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-17 12:26

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-7-17 12:27 編輯
Diu, you said it yourself earlier la. Housing cost that is roughly in the mid-30% of people's salar ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-17 12:20


Read what I said in post #62 first, idiot.

However, I would not expect you have the ability to comprehend what I said.

HK is too small? What about Singapore? I believe it is smaller than HK. Actually, I just about to talk about Singapore. But not to you the idiot.
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-7-17 16:19

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-7-17 16:20 編輯

回復 68# rockypath

It would be a long long long story... Would you like to start it as a new topic in the forum?

Again, there will not be any easy, simple and correct answers... Share some thoughts is good.
作者: daimo    時間: 2011-7-17 16:26

回復  rockypath

It would be a long long long story... Would you like to start it as a new topic in ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-7-17 16:19


I can give you guys a hand with posting a new thread ...
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-17 16:33

Moron,

Your stupid questions in post #62 shows that you either have no idea what the market is like in HK now, or you are just purposely distorting the facts for the sake of your moronic arguments.

HK real estate prices need to come down for residential purposes because regular worker joe can't afford to have his own place to live. The high end luxury market is not going to lose that much steam because it is most bouyed by Mainland China hot money. The hot money flows out of China for a vareity of reasons -- for legitimate investment purposes, for status/prestige/having "face" (what kind of a rich guy are you in the Mainland if you don't even have an apartment or two in HK? It's kind of like women and their luxury handbags.), for security (money kept save and locked away from Grandfather in case you lose power / status because money out of the country can't be confiscated by Grandfather). If you can't see the difference between the high end luxury versus the low end / mid level residential market, you really are a fxxking idiot.

The revivial of 居屋 and even an expansion of 公屋 are aimed at that low end / mid level residential market. In reviving 居屋, the SAR government can easily take some simple measures to ensure that only HK citizens can qualify for their purchases. (That might already be the case, but I am not 100% certain.) With 公屋, you can't apply anyway unless you are a HK citizen with certain income ceiling. Having a new 居屋 market and a bigger 公屋 market will inevitably drag down housing prices a bit, but the high end luxury market won't be affected that much anyway since the primary clients are wealthy Mainlanders.

I don't see how a cooler real estate market can drag down the stock market. Your post didn't state any reason for that either, and just droped the idea out of thin air when you suddenly switched from the real estate market to the stock market. Arguments like that serve no purpose. But to shut you up, I will say that the Mainland hot money is only going to stop coming to HK when the Mainland's red hot economy slows down. There are signs of this happening, but that is entirely beyond HK's control. It'll come sooner or later, and HK will have to deal with it when it does.

Lastly, I never opposed the SAR government spending the reserves on meaningful projects, but I am completely against them wasting that money on face projects such as Chinese high speed rail. Furthermore, given the choice between letting the SAR government continue to hog that money, and returning and spreading it among HK citizens, I would obviously favour the second since far more economic opportunties and activities can come from the latter.

But hey, you have repeated shown that you are too fxxking stupid to understand any of this. You are only interested in bad mouthing me and twisting my words out of context and distorting whatever ideas I bring up.

-Lik
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-17 16:44

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-7-17 16:52 編輯
I can give you guys a hand with posting a new thread ...
daimo 發表於 2011-7-17 16:26


Haha... sure. Hope the idiot Lik will learn how to discuss an issue with an open mind.

I am NOT saying what I said is correct and just to share my opinions. But he didn't even have the ability to comprehend what I said. It is sickingly tiring to talk to an idiot who just looks for a fight.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-17 16:47

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-7-17 16:53 編輯
I don't see how a cooler real estate market can drag down the stock market.
Lik 發表於 2011-7-17 16:33


As I said, you don't even have the ability to comprehend what I said.

What I said is the opposite - hot money will flow away from a cooler real estate market (because the HK government intervenes the market and makes it an unfavorable market for investment) into stock market and create devastating bubbles.

Get it? Idiot!
作者: slamdunk6    時間: 2011-7-17 17:00

點解版主唔囉余若薇出黎做個voting 呀
呢個就比較有意義d 囉
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-17 17:04

點解版主唔囉余若薇出黎做個voting 呀
呢個就比較有意義d 囉
slamdunk6 發表於 2011-7-17 17:00


It is because our dearest idiot Lik is the 癲狗黃的死忠跟屁蟲。 It is more interesting to "put him on the table".  
作者: slamdunk6    時間: 2011-7-17 17:05

就因為太多你呢d廢人食緊加拿大福利所至

加拿大就是福利社會。
國民生產力負擔不了龐大的社會福利﹐所以欠債屢屢。 ...
soli 發表於 2011-7-15 16:41
作者: slamdunk6    時間: 2011-7-17 17:08

what new opportunities ?  又搞五大陷家產業?  

Yes, when the real state gets too hot and the housing prices become unaffordable, we blame the gov ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-16 16:32
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-17 17:15

what new opportunities ?  又搞五大陷家產業?
slamdunk6 發表於 2011-7-17 17:08


New economies if this is the term you prefer.

Are you saying 搞五大陷家產業 is a wrong thing to do or it was wrongly planned and executed?
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-17 18:07

What I said is the opposite - hot money will flow away from a cooler real estate market (because the HK government intervenes the market and makes it an unfavorable market for investment) into stock market and create devastating bubbles.

Get it? Idiot!
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-17 16:47

When your post was written in such a completely comprehensible matter, how can you expect anyone to understand what you were trying to say?

As I have already said in my post, the high end luxury (real estate) market is unlikely to cool down all that much because the hot money from China doesn't necessarily / strictly view the luxury units as a pure investment vessel.

-Lik
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-17 22:09

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-17 22:22 編輯
Stupid fxxkhead, don't waste my time. Move out to the boonies if you can't afford to live in DT.

- ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-17 12:21

In other words, you don't have an answer why Canada does not build enough 居屋?

You don't have an answer why only 地產霸權 can afford to buy the lands in downtown Toronto/Vancouver?

In Hong Kong, most people live in highrise buildings, therefore normally the biggest real estate developers can afford to buy lands and develop them.
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-17 22:12

what new opportunities ?  又搞五大陷家產業?
slamdunk6 發表於 2011-7-17 17:08


What are your suggestion for new 產業?
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-17 22:14

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-17 22:18 編輯
Without wasting too much time on you, I'll just say that it is much easier, faster, and more easily achievable for the SAR government to bring real estate prices back to reasonable levels than it is to try to raise income levels (without causing inflation problems). Numerous plans can be introduced, the easiest of which are simply just the re-introduction of public housing (居屋) into the market. Alternative and innovative housing ideas could also be explored, and I have heard of a few (some were 1/2 baked, and some were better than others).

The fact of the matter is, the current SAR government under Bowtie Tsang's "leadership" is utterly useless, and only interested in serving the needs of big business and the rich and powerful.

-Lik
Lik 發表於 2011-7-17 08:59

Do you how many piece of vacant lands are available in Hong Kong for building 居屋 in the short term, without taking away those lands already in the 勾地表 ?
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-18 00:28

As I have already said in my post, the high end luxury (real estate) market is unlikely to cool down all that much because the hot money from China doesn't necessarily / strictly view the luxury units as a pure investment vessel.

Lik 發表於 2011-7-17 18:07


Don't understand my English? Ok, I will try to write it in a simpler form to fit your brain.

First, you misunderstood me again. The free (hot）money I said is the money that was freed up from the real estate market, but not the money from mainland China.

Second, even though I don't have the statistic, I don't think the money comes from the mainland China has significant impact to the price of HK real estate. You can prove me wrong if you have the information.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-18 00:36

話你死蠢就即係死蠢。香港家陣嘅外來資金（特別係用咗去買樓果啲），有幾多唔係由大陸走落來？！你唔識野就去一轉香港嘅富貴新樓盤，同啲經紀問吓有邊個買家唔係國內同胞。再唔係就自己去一轉啲新興豪宅區，睇吓你聽廣東話多定係國語多。而啲人買樓，要來投資只係其中一個考慮。之前我講得好清楚（唔係好似你咁講到一舊舊），所以唔再講喇。

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-18 00:52

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-7-18 00:58 編輯
話你死蠢就即係死蠢。香港家陣嘅外來資金（特別係用咗去買樓果啲），有幾多唔係由大陸走落來？！你唔識野就 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-18 00:36


Ok, just tell me what is the percentage of these 富貴新樓盤 compare to the size the real estate market of HK?

Just tell you up front, I have hidden questions in this question. Just want to see whether you know what you are actually talking about.

Maybe I shouldn't continue to waste my time on you this shameless idiot mad dog.
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-7-18 01:47

Ok, just tell me what is the percentage of these 富貴新樓盤 compare to the size the real estate ma ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-18 00:52


In other words, you don't have an answer why Canada does not build enough 居屋?

You don't have an answer why only 地產霸權 can afford to buy the lands in downtown Toronto/Vancouver?

In Hong Kong, most people live in highrise buildings, therefore normally the biggest real estate developers can afford to buy lands and develop them.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-18 08:55

Ok, just tell me what is the percentage of these 富貴新樓盤 compare to the size the real estate ma ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-18 00:52

你嘅一貫 cheap 招又來喇～你要問我攞數據，我確實係無。但點解你問我之前，我又唔見你攞啲數據來躂返我轉頭？反之，一出 post 嘅時候，我已經俾咗 anecdotal evidence 你，叫你去問吓香港新樓盤啲經紀。點解你又唔去問完先至返來同我地講？

如果你係咁易 Google、百度一吓「香港新樓盤」呢幾個字，你就會立即見到唔知幾多殘體字嘅網頁廣告同報導。

你自己毫無見識，但又要打橫來講，去仆街啦～

-力
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-18 09:13

In Hong Kong, most people live in highrise buildings, therefore normally the biggest real estate developers can afford to buy lands and develop them.
peter236 發表於 2011-7-18 01:47

低能仔，

唔係 high唔 highrise 嘅問題，而係特衰政府同香港本土嘅大地產商官商勾結打籠通，用各式各樣嘅建築條例來逼死晒其他外來嘅競爭對手，所以響香港嘅建築界係完全無外來嘅建築公司。而香港本土嘅大地產商不斷用 delayed benefits 嘅手段來買通港府高官、地證、屋宇處嘅人，當佢地在位嘅時候就幫地產商講好說話，唔對佢地做打壓，批地明益佢大地產商，然後等佢地呢班前高官、地證、屋宇處嘅人退休之後過完冷河先至再高薪厚祿咁請佢地做掛名（或實質）顧問來答謝佢之前為商家所做嘅事。又或者利用呢批前地證、屋宇處嘅人對條例嘅熟悉，響唔同嘅漏動上賺多好多其他發展商賺唔到嘅錢。（例如起多啲商場面積、建築vs實用面積嘅漏動、申請上手續來留難細／外地發展商）等等。

呢啲就叫做香港嘅地產霸權。你唔撚識就去仆街兼收聲！

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-18 10:09

你嘅一貫 cheap 招又來喇～你要問我攞數據，我確實係無。但點解你問我之前，我又唔見你攞啲數據來躂返我轉 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-18 08:55


Hahha... I know you cannot find the number and I didn't not expect you to give a number. My question is just to remind you the size of HK real estate is not that small as you imagine.

The impact is not from the luxury projects themselves but the price increase of the area due to the establishment of luxury real estate projects because now the area becomes a 高尚住宅區. You can find the percentage of price increase on web. Who are the major investors in the non-luxury units? It is the HK money plays the role.   

Does this help you understand what I said better?  Use your brain, idiot.

你自己毫無見識，但又要打橫來講，去仆街啦～
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-7-18 10:16

仆街，

講咁撚多野，又唔見你攞啲數據出來證明個 area 點變咗做高尚住宅區？你估齋起棟豪宅，個地頭就會自動變咗做高尚住宅區呀？

戇撚鳩～

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-7-18 10:24

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-7-18 10:29 編輯
仆街，

講咁撚多野，又唔見你攞啲數據出來證明個 area 點變咗做高尚住宅區？你估齋起棟豪宅，個地頭就會自 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-18 10:16


仆街，

You don't like google it? Then try Youtube la. It should be more fun to watch. Use your hand to do some research and use your brain to understand what you found la (if you are not mentally retarded)....... idiot.  

戇撚鳩～



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