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作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-20 14:19 標題: 天朝造假又一典範：昆明 Apple Stoer

http://birdabroad.wordpress.com/ ... stening-steve-jobs/

Looks real so far...

But Apple never writes “Apple Store” on it’s signs – it just puts up the glowing, iconic fruit.

The name tags around the necks of the friendly salespeople didn’t actually have names on them – just an Apple logo and the anonymous designation “Staff”. And of course, Apple’s own website will tell you that they only have a few stores in Beijing and Shanghai, opened only recently; Apple famously opens new stores painstakingly, presumably to assure impeccable standards and lots of customer demand.

I…may or may not have told them that we were two American Apple employees visiting China and checking out the local stores. Either way, they got friendlier and allowed me to snap some pictures.

And the best part? A ten minute walk around the corner revealed not one, but TWO more rip-off Apple stores.

作者: soli 時間: 2011-7-20 16:15

如果apple store 沒在大陸註冊﹐那任何人也可以使用apple store 這名字。

作者: satil 時間: 2011-7-20 16:52

中國於2001年11月10日加入世界貿易組織wto. 其中對知識產權協議中, 馳名商標早就互相自動認定.
apple早就有了'被動認定', 我亦相信apple亦'主動認定', 就算是那一個認定, 任何人都不可以使用apple store這個名字 (最明顯是個logo).

以Apple咁多律師團, 連iphone touch screen感覺都可以註冊,
點會無考慮所有中國開鋪的法律問題, 點會無註冊呀.

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-7-20 17:39

But .. do they sell REAL APPLE stuffs?

Or .. They sell Apple King .. Ipop .. knock off?

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-20 18:57

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-20 19:06 編輯

This is just an Apple authorized reseller selling genuine Apple products.

List of authorized stores in Kunming

http://www.apple.com.cn/reseller ... =%E6%98%86%E6%98%8E

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作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-20 19:43

This is just an Apple authorized reseller selling genuine Apple products.

List of authorized stores ...
peter236 發表於 2011-7-20 18:57

就算係 authorized dealer，你可以做嘅都只係賣 Apple 啲貨，而唔撚係盜用佢 Apple Store 嘅名義來開舖，而且仲要樣樣抄到足～

俾人當面踢爆踢到應一應，但 Peter仔都繼續如此咁講，我只能夠讚你一句：

而 Soli呢庭仆街就自己係賤啦～

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-20 19:54

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-20 20:04 編輯

就算係 authorized dealer，你可以做嘅都只係賣 Apple 啲貨，而唔撚係盜用佢 Apple Store 嘅名義來開舖， ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-20 19:43

Mr Lik, looks like another failed attempt by you.

They are authorized by Apple to use this design. If not, Apple will take back the authorization to sell Apple products.

Apple licenses Premium Reseller status for retail operations in areas where Apple does not already operate. In order to be a Premium Reseller you must make your store look essentially like an Apple Store.

List of authorized stores in Kunming.

http://www.apple.com.cn/reseller/location.php?cid=88&keyword=%E6%98%86%E6%98%8E

For Mr Lik:

作者: 老友四號 時間: 2011-7-20 23:14

亞力算吧啦！

當人礼义廉到如斯地步更指非為是而毫不羞愧，

還有什么可說！

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2011-7-20 23:20

This is an Apple reseller, the fixtures, the tethering/alarm cables, the printed displayers and posters looks genuine to me.

The article lacks of claiming if they are selling fake goods or not, it's just saying it's a fake Apple Store. I am not sure this mean anything as premier resellers have access to these and Apple does audit them.

Where if they could mimic the look of an actual Apple store, I am not too sure how Apple operates in China.

Philip

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-20 23:33

亞力算吧啦！

當人礼义廉到如斯地步更指非為是而毫不羞愧，

還有什么可說！ ...
老友四號發表於 2011-7-20 23:14

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-7-21 06:59

Chi Ma Gun ....

Really Really Really die chicken support rice cap ..

We just surprise how nice those "knock off" shops can be ..

I was impressed by those "Knock off" catalog/magazine when I was in some mall in China .. you see all the SPECIAL EDITION  LV, ROLEX, GUCCI etc ..

作者: satil 時間: 2011-7-21 09:10

中國的Apple Store只有四間
北京，三里屯
北京市朝阳区三里屯路 19 号院
三里屯 Village 6 号楼
(8610) 6419-8900
http://www.apple.com.cn/retail/sanlitun/
北京，西单大悦城
北京市西城区西单北大街 131 号大悦城
(8610) 6649-1400
http://www.apple.com.cn/retail/xidanjoycity/
上海，浦东
上海市浦东新区陆家嘴世纪大道 8 号
上海国金中心 IFC 商场 LG2－27 号店铺
(8621) 6084-6800
http://www.apple.com.cn/retail/pudong/
上海，香港广场
上海市淮海中路 282 号香港广场北座
(8621) 6157-0800
http://www.apple.com.cn/retail/hongkongplaza/

其他的經綃昆明的 ’優質經銷商’ 或 ‘授權經銷商’ 都唔係 ‘Apple Store’. (正如rogers賣iphone都絕不能自己開間Apple Store), Peter列嚟啲出來就只係誤導大家. 佢好應同時睇吓apple.com.cn入便啲”中國”真正Apple Store列表及照片, 四間舖都有詳細資料及舖內圖片.

Peter又選擇性唔去睇清楚嗰幾間, ‘優質經銷商’啲相, 似唔似Lik post嗰啲呢? 又有冇留意做 ’優質經銷商’個logo係唔同. 重有, 間’新亞’招牌用Sunya英文名.

啊Lik這個post照片中的舖, 在昆明, 又全Apple Store look. 但又內外都不同真正四間”Apple Store”, 就知一定是假舖.

唔好死雞撐飯蓋啦! Post多兩支水都改變唔到!!

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2011-7-21 09:15

If it's real, I don't think they will spell "Apple Store" wrong as "Apple Stoer"

作者: B2L2 時間: 2011-7-21 10:14

If it's real, I don't think they will spell "Apple Store" wrong as "Apple Stoer"
布小熊發表於 2011-7-21 09:15

soli said: "如果apple stoer 沒在大陸註冊﹐那任何人也可以使用apple stoer 這名字。"

LOL

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2011-7-21 12:18

soli said: "如果apple stoer 沒在大陸註冊﹐那任何人也可以使用apple stoer 這名字。"

LOL ...
B2L2 發表於 2011-7-21 10:14 AM

but they use both apple store and apple stoer wor....
LOL

作者: B2L2 時間: 2011-7-21 12:38

They are actually two separate stores. The first one (Apple Store) is fake and the second one (Apple Stoer) is "faker".

Quote from the blog again:
"To address the main issue that people have been getting all bent out of shape about: the stores I photographed do not appear to be authorized Apple sellers. The list of resellers in Kunming that Apple’s website has published does not include the locations that I photographed. An employee at the main store photographed has confirmed that it is not an authorized reseller. Apple itself has confirmed that it is a fake."

作者: 布小熊 時間: 2011-7-21 12:56

It's on CTV news:
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/SciTec ... ed-in-china-110721/

作者: FiChai 時間: 2011-7-21 13:32

China is god! In China/God, nothing is impossible! (Sorry God, don't mean to insult You...) LOL

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2011-7-21 15:49

All I want to know is that if the goods are fake or not.

Philip

作者: satil 時間: 2011-7-21 16:00

啲貨是真, 大部份是水貨, 亦有由其他經銷拆貨來賣. 所以價錢較貴.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-21 16:13

Apple should thank this authorized dealer for promoting their brand, even before the corporate Apple Stores have reached all cities.

作者: satil 時間: 2011-7-21 17:06

一個完善有安排管理的銷售網絡, 是對客戶及經銷商作品質、支援及服務承擔. 只有不懂市場管理, 眼光短淺的人才會不顧道義, 無規無矩. 認為只要銷貨多就可不理一切商業道德.

Apple這類大公司無你咁短視

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-21 18:28

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-21 18:30 編輯

蘋果有道義就唔會壓Foxconn價,壓得咁低.

股東最重要係賺最多嘅錢.

作者: satil 時間: 2011-7-21 19:17

本帖最後由 satil 於 2011-7-21 19:18 編輯

唉! 講緊銷售, 又轉向生產成本, 一個搵錢, 一個洗錢. 完全兩碼子事! 同你講都多餘!

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-7-21 20:09

those are NOT authorized dealer.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-21 22:00

those are NOT authorized dealer.
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-7-22 12:09

我諗果度有賣香港"送"上去既水貨...
btw, 如果真係未報關既水貨, 大陸當局有冇權去封舖?

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-7-21 22:41

個幾間野咁揚，你估冇人照冇後台？？

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-21 22:45

個幾間野咁揚，你估冇人照冇後台？？
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-7-22 14:41

咁就真係估唔到喇, 比著係我就唔敢做"後台"了! 呢d 野咁高調, apple store 開張woh, 比人查到有問題既機會實在太大了, 我一定唔會take 咁大既risk, 反正有大把地方搵錢之餘又比較安全.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-7-21 22:48

人有多大膽
地有多大產

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-21 22:56

人有多大膽
地有多大產
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-7-22 14:48

所以呢d 錢就真係唔係我MJJ 搵架喇~

-- 奉公守法既 MJJ

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-22 00:59

個幾間野咁揚，你估冇人照冇後台？？
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-7-21 22:41

後台？Their 後台 is Apple itself.
Clearly, Apple knows about these stores for a long time. But they are making good money for Apple by selling genuine Apple products.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-22 01:14

後台？Their 後台 is Apple itself.
Clearly, Apple knows about these stores for a long time. But the ...
peter236 發表於 2011-7-22 16:59

你冇有打電話問下你個friend, Steve Jobs 呀?

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-7-22 01:28

are you dumb for something??
a large part of the price you play for an apple product is for the after sale service.
the service from the unauthorized stores can't pair with the real one,
it is hurting the company image.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-22 02:45

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-22 02:58 編輯

The thing is Apple does not care. These grey market Apple products are sold all over the world. The local authorized Chinese sellers probably knew about this for a long time and they informed Apple of this a long time ago, but Apple just keep quiet about this, since they selling genuine Apple products anyway and Apple can't built iPhones and their stores fast enough.

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2011-7-22 10:33

WSJ interviewed one of the girl who works there and she admittedly know that they are not authorized reseller. They are selling grey market goods at retail price.

Philip

作者: blue20ae 時間: 2011-7-22 10:39

At China’s fake Apple Store defiant staff face angry customers

Melanie Lee
Kunming, China— Reuters
Published Friday, Jul. 22, 2011 8:04AM EDT
Last updated Friday, Jul. 22, 2011 11:19AM EDT

Customers at an Apple Store in the Chinese city of Kunming berated staff and demanded refunds on Friday after the shop was revealed to be an elaborate fake, sparking a media and Internet frenzy.

Long a target of counterfeiters and unauthorized resellers, Apple Inc. was alerted to the near flawless fake shop by an American blogger living in the southwestern city, more than 1,600 km from the nearest genuine Apple stores in Beijing and Shanghai.

“When I heard the news I rushed here immediately to get the receipt, I am so upset,” a customer surnamed Wang told Reuters, near tears. “With a store this big, it looks so believable who would have thought it was fake?”

Wang, a petite, 23-year-old office worker who would not give her first name, spent 14,000 yuan ($2,170 U.S.) last month buying Macbook Pro 13-inch and a 3G iPhone from the Kunming store. She wasn’t issued a receipt at the time, with staff telling her to come back later.

“Where’s my receipt, you promised me my receipt last month!” Ms. Wang shouted at employees, before being whisked away to an upstairs room.

Staff were also angry at the unwanted attention after more than 1,000 media outlets picked up the story and pictures of the store from the BirdAbroad blog.

“The media is painting us to be a fake store but we don’t sell fakes, all our products are real, you can check it yourself,” said one employee, who didn’t want to give his name.

“There is no Chinese law that says I can’t decorate my shop the way I want to decorate it.”

While upset at the coverage and unwilling to be fully identified, staff were cooperative when Reuters visited the store on Friday, answering questions and allowing the store to be filmed.

Another employee, surnamed Yang, said business had been affected, with customers demanding they prove the authenticity of their products.

Apple has declined to comment on the fake store or others like it dotted around China. The Cupertino, California-based firm has just four genuine Apple Stores in Beijing and Shanghai and none in Kunming.

With about 3.2 million inhabitants, Kunming, the capital of the mountainous southwestern province of Yunnan, is small by Chinese standards and not well known in the West.

Located not far the borders of Laos, Vietnam and Myanmar, the city’s fast-growing industrial and manufacturing base is emblematic of China’s ascent on the world stage. Kingdom of the Little People, a theme park featuring slapstick performances by people with dwarfism, is nearby.

The fake Apple Store is situated along a crowded pedestrian-only shopping street, its black Apple logo gleaming. Inside, with its Apple posters on the walls and iPads and Macbook computers displayed on wooden tables, the store looks every bit like Apple Stores found all over the world but for some slightly shoddy workmanship and one or two errant details.

Not all customers were bothered by the revelations that the store was not the genuine article.

“As long as their products are real its okay – after all, you enter a store not to look at anything except their products,” said Hu Junkai, 18. “If the products you buy are real why do you care whether the store is a copy?”

Ms. Wang was not convinced.

“The biggest thing I’m upset about is that I spent so much money at this store and I don’t even know whether it is real or not,” she said.

“What can I do? They aren’t going to give me a refund.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/n ... mers/article2106133

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-22 11:33

Not all customers were bothered by the revelations that the store was not the genuine article.

“As long as their products are real its okay – after all, you enter a store not to look at anything except their products,” said Hu Junkai, 18. “If the products you buy are real why do you care whether the store is a copy?”
blue20ae 發表於 2011-7-22 10:39

所以話，太多國內同胞依然對知識產權毫無認識，更絲毫不尊重。

而且，你知道間舖係賣水貨而甘心情願咁去買係一件事（我自己無論響香港同呢度都成日買水貨），但依家間野係擺明用水貨來扮行貨，亦即係搵鳩你笨柒。如果你咁都唔mind嘅話，咁只能夠証明一樣野：就係你呢個消費者笨柒囉～

-力

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-22 11:42

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-22 11:47 編輯

所以話，太多國內同胞依然對知識產權毫無認識，更絲毫不尊重。

而且，你知道間舖係賣水貨而甘心情願咁去買係一件事（我自己無論響香港同呢度都成日買水貨），但依家間野係擺明用水貨來扮行貨，亦即係搵鳩你笨柒。如果你咁都唔mind嘅話，咁只能夠証明一樣野：就係你呢個消費者笨柒囉～

-力

-力
Lik 發表於 2011-7-22 11:33

That's nonsense from you. What is the problem with using 水貨? You said you use 水貨 yourself. People all over the world use 水貨.

水貨 has nothing to do with intellectual property rights. 水貨 is still the real thing.

Just another failed bashing attempt from you.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-7-22 16:37

水貨冇保養喎。

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-22 18:15

水貨冇保養喎。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-7-22 16:37

水貨平一截吖嘛，師兄～

中小型嘅電子野，反正個 warranty 都只係得果一年，要唔要都罷啦～大件野就話要諗諗嗟。

-力

作者: pkphilip 時間: 2011-7-22 18:41

Grey market goods should sell for less, but I don't think these apple stoer sells them any cheaper.

混水漠魚

Philip

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-7-23 12:17

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-7-23 12:18 編輯

I was able to successfully identify and avoid fake KFC and Pizza Hut, but failed on fake Starbucks.

After I bought a mocha and it tasted differently, I realized I went in a "黑店" right away. I walked out and looked at the signage again and just laughed at myself. I was trapped since the coffee shop was within the airport (of a small city) and I assumed it should be a real one and did not pay attention to its sign (of course, it did not spell exactly Starbucks).

My friend was trapped by fake KFC when he visited Beijing years ago at 市郊 after coming back from the Great Wall.

作者: ah3 時間: 2011-7-24 00:30

Anything can happen in China!

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-24 02:01

Grey market goods should sell for less, but I don't think these apple stoer sells them any cheaper. ...
pkphilip 發表於 2011-7-22 18:41

Apple products are in demand. Many people are willing to pay a lot more on eBay and many places.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-25 11:27

阿爺一貫嘅做事手法：件事搞大咗，特別係上咗國際媒體，影衰阿爺響國際社會嘅面子，所以就即刻要做野。

-力

http://www.vancouversun.com/news ... /5154620/story.html

KUNMING, China - Chinese officials have ordered two bogus Apple shops in the city of Kunming to shut, not because of piracy or copyright concerns, but because the stores in the southwestern city did not have an official business permit.

Five self-branded "Apple Stores" were found to be selling Apple Inc. products without authorization from the California-based company, but only two were told to shut, officials said.

An investigation into the stores was apparently sparked by a storm of media attention over an elaborate hoax Apple shop discovered by a blogger from the United States. The order did not apply to that store, which is applying for a reseller licence with Apple, a local government spokesman said.

"Media should not misunderstand the situation and jump to conclusions. Some overseas media have made it appear the stores sold fake Apple products," said Chang Puyun, spokesman for Kunming government's business bureau.

"China has taken great steps to enforce intellectual property rights and the stores weren't selling fake products."

Officials are investigating whether Apple had applied with the Chinese government to have its store design and layout protected by law, Chang added.
(full story from above link)

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-25 11:54

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-25 11:57 編輯

If Apple didn't apply a patent for its store design in China, then maybe that is why Apple is not complaining all these years.

Foreigners have been trying to mislead the public.

Foreign media have been saying:

1) This store is faked.
2) Faked products appeared in China before.

While 1) and 2) are arguably true, by using 1) and 2) they tried to insinuate that this faked store is selling faked products. But in fact this store is selling genuine Apple products.

Apple has the responsibility to open a lot more Apple Stores to serve the Chinese public, rather than just using China as a source of affordable manufacturing.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-7-25 11:58

If Apple didn't apply a patent for its store design in China, then maybe that is why Apple is not co ...
peter236 發表於 2011-7-25 11:54

Diu你，去仆街啦，撚人～

-力

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-25 12:06

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-7-25 12:11 編輯

Diu你，去仆街啦，撚人～

-力
Lik 發表於 2011-7-25 11:58

I am not saying it is ethical to open a faked store.

But if Apple didn't apply a patent for its store design in China, then maybe that is why Apple is not complaining all these years.

Apple has the responsibility to open a lot more Apple Stores to give the Chinese public the real Apple experience, rather than just using China as a source of affordable manufacturing.

Just the 4 stores in Beijing and Shanghai and the upcoming 2 stores in Hong Kong are not enough. Apple should commit more in China.

作者: satil 時間: 2011-7-25 13:33

peter的道理...
你衣著性感, 是你的問題, 我就有理由姦你.
你冇小心保謢手袋, 是你的問題, 我有理由搶你.
所以apple有不足之處, 全是apple不對, 超級大國就可以任意對代它.
是apple開不足舖, 所以我們有權有理老翻佢啲舖.

你未能滿足你老婆, 是否同一道理, 全世界人都有權代你dil佢?

作者: 老友四號 時間: 2011-7-25 13:50

回復 49# satil

「你未能滿足你老婆, 是否同一道理, 全世界人都有權代你dil佢?」

哈！咁到俾你諗到，冇得頂！好嘢！

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-25 14:05

回復 satil

「你未能滿足你老婆, 是否同一道理, 全世界人都有權代你dil佢?」

哈！咁到俾你諗到， ...
老友四號發表於 2011-7-25 13:50

你條老淫蟲，又出來覓食.

作者: 老友四號 時間: 2011-7-25 14:11

回復 51# peter236
唉？你真係改唔倒中意食x嘅愛好！

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-7-25 14:29

回復 peter236
唉？你真係改唔倒中意食x嘅愛好！
老友四號發表於 2011-7-25 14:11

Mr Lik's 食x嘅愛好?

作者: 閒人一個 時間: 2011-7-25 16:33

peter的道理...
你衣著性感, 是你的問題, 我就有理由姦你.
你冇小心保謢手袋, 是你的問題, 我有理由搶你.
...
satil 發表於 2011-7-25 13:33

作者: 老友四號 時間: 2011-7-25 17:00

回復 53# peter236

咪玩啦！係老友記都知只係你一个中意食X！仲愈食愈喜愛停唔到口 TIM！

作者: raffaello 時間: 2011-7-25 18:02

回復 49# satil

"你未能滿足你老婆, 是否同一道理, 全世界人都有權代你dil佢?"

hahaha...good one...lol

作者: 閒人一個 時間: 2011-7-26 09:07

回復 satil

"你未能滿足你老婆, 是否同一道理, 全世界人都有權代你dil佢?"

hahaha...good one...lol ...
raffaello 發表於 2011-7-25 18:02

睇0黎, 依照Peter0既大道理, Peter重要因自己的無能, 而多謝大家的幫忙.

這個0甘創新的道理, Peter最好快0的去註冊, 0吾好學Apple. 0拉!

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-26 20:06

I was able to successfully identify and avoid fake KFC and Pizza Hut, but failed on fake Starbucks. ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-7-24 04:17

小弟5年前去北京玩, 幫襯過o係三環附近既 KFC , 我當年都驚係假野, 不過諗深一層, 就算係真既都唔擔保會冇問題的.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-7-26 20:07

阿爺一貫嘅做事手法：件事搞大咗，特別係上咗國際媒體，影衰阿爺響國際社會嘅面子，所以就即刻要做野。

- ...
Lik 發表於 2011-7-26 03:27

起碼都叫做有做野, 不失為一件好事.

作者: TEO'z 時間: 2011-8-14 23:42

都唔係d咩新鮮事了..

作者: 老友四號 時間: 2011-8-15 12:17

最近掃哂啦！

真係兜口兜面咁掴咗有D人一吧！

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-8-15 12:34

阿爺就成世都係咁：唔被人踢爆（特別係被老外踢爆）嘅話，就乜鬼野都唔會做。

-力

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