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作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-11 18:41     標題: 惡警嚇記者 行近就開槍

http://www.the-sun.on.cc/cnt/news/20110812/00405_001.html

「唔好行咁埋，真係會射你！」惡警長兇記者。昨晨三名海關人員駕乘客貨車，從機場押送約三十公斤大麻草的證物返北角總部，準備呈堂，「運毒車」駛至機場路迴旋處失事翻側，三名關員受傷。由於恐防有人趁機劫毒，警方衝鋒隊封路戒備，警員手持長槍包圍客貨車，一名警長更兇記者說：「呢單嘢好嚴重，唔好行咁埋，真係會射你！」語出驚人，令人側目。

肇事客貨車隸屬海關毒品調查科，掛上政府專用AM車牌。昨晨十時許，姓劉（三十二歲）便裝關員駕駛客貨車，與兩名同姓陳（三十六及三十四歲）同袍，從機場押運大麻草等毒品案證物往北角海關總部，以備法庭要求呈堂。當客貨車離開機場駛過機場路南迴旋處，轉入北大嶼山公路支路高速行駛時突然失控，客貨車衝過路邊石壆，再剷落路邊斜坡草地掉頭後向左翻側。三名關員分別頭、頸、肩膊及腳部受傷，自行爬出車外報警，並通知上司失事情況。一名海關督察接報後駕駛私家車趕至現場了解情況，車禍中三名受傷關員由救護車送院敷治。

警告「好嚴重」 喝令「即刻走」

警方新界南總區一輛衝鋒車剛巧途經，得悉海關客貨車失事，車上運載三十公斤大麻草及其他重要證物，恐防有人趁亂搶毒品證物，即時大為緊張，自告奮勇在場協助維持秩序，多名警員即時穿上避彈衣，頭戴鋼盔，手持長槍包圍客貨車戒備。稍後，新界南交通部意外調查隊到場接手調查，案件列作交通意外有人受傷處理。

期間，記者到場採訪拍照時，在場一名交通部警長即厲言喝令：「唔好行埋去呀，影完好快啲出番嚟，即刻走！」記者已表明不會觸碰有關物品，但警長依然緊張萬分，繼續要求記者不要接近客貨車，更警告記者：「呢單嘢好嚴重，唔好行咁埋，真係會射你！」其後他着記者遠距離拍攝，又不斷手持對講機報告情況。

其後，海關人員召拖車到場，將翻側的客貨車扶正拖上路面，然後將包括兩個旅行篋在內的證物搬上另一輛客貨車運走，在場戒備警員才鬆一口氣。

海關發言人昨證實，客貨車出事時正運載物品往總部，三名受傷關員接受治療後已出院。


警員身穿避彈衣手持長槍「守護」載有大麻草的海關車。


交通警長吆喝記者切勿走近現場，揚言會開槍。


海關派員將大麻草等證物運走。
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-11 18:47

再一次睇到今日嘅香港警察質素有幾高。人地都話咗係記者，你估連行規都唔識，會走去搞你啲證物咩？再者，警察同傳媒合作係有晒指引，難道阻撓記者採訪同恐嚇記者會對佢開槍亦都係指引裡面嘅一部份？

-力
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-11 18:55

力兄, 而家香港d 記者既公信力已經比班狗仔拖低哂了.
可能d 警察諗住如果唔喝一喝佢, 難保d 記者唔信打開個箱去歸根究底的.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-11 21:41

個記者真係夠膽咁做嘅話，咁你班警察咪去拉Q佢囉。有乜野問題呀？破壞現場證據嘅話，絕對可以告佢妨礙司法公正。但人地記者只看不做嘅話，你警察又邊度有權去 preemptively 咁去拉人？又點可以凶人話會掹槍啡你？

-力
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-8-11 22:23

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作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-11 22:24

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-11 22:26 編輯

Can reporter get close to the scene in Canada? I don't think so. I had been to a few crime scene and all people and reporters were blocked at least half block away from the scene. Taking photos? Yes, just take out your super cannon and do the close-up yourself.

Allowing the reporter to take photos is more important than protecting the crime scene? What a stupid mind.



The crap from Lik really sicken me. Instead of wasting my time reading his BS and garbage talks, I start avoiding his posts.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-11 22:30

個記者真係夠膽咁做嘅話，咁你班警察咪去拉Q佢囉。有乜野問題呀？破壞現場證據嘅話，絕對可以告佢妨礙司法 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-11 21:41



    俾警告有o羊問題呀
俾著係Europe (e.g. England)﹐北美的警察﹐警告你一聲唔聽﹐再郁就十字鎖韃你, 再搵支Beretta指住你個頭 o r用電槍電到你半死 or 用警棍打到你昏底.....

警察話記者破壞現場證據而拉佢地﹐呀人民法官。力。就會有第二的野切亞sir生豬肉架啦
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-11 22:30

兩條仆街，

響邊個文明嘅地方，警察會凶啲記者話唔走就會掹槍啡佢地㗎？你兩條目嘴舔阿爺隻菊花舔到忽咗呀？！

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-11 22:40

兩條仆街，

響邊個文明嘅地方，警察會凶啲記者話唔走就會掹槍啡佢地㗎？你兩條目嘴舔阿爺隻菊花舔到忽咗呀 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-11 22:30


PK Lik, can you tell us how many people were shot by Canadian police just because they stepped forward 2 steps further when the polices told them to stay put?

They did not just tell you, they actually DID!!!!

I will wait for your answer. What a headless idiot with twisted mind.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2011-8-11 22:40

醒少少啦警長大佬，如果係大單野，條封鎖線就唔該遠啲......
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-11 22:44

PK Lik, can you tell us how many people were shot by Canadian police just because they stepped for ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-8-11 22:40

仆街，

家陣個記者係咪去凶個差佬呀？講埋啲九唔搭八嘅野來歧途擾亂視聽，去食屎啦你！

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-11 22:50

仆街，

家陣個記者係咪去凶個差佬呀？講埋啲九唔搭八嘅野來歧途擾亂視聽，去食屎啦你！

-力 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-11 22:44


Don't continue to BS lar... You just keep embarrassing yourself publicly.  Well, will than make any difference? No! We expect you will continue to BS shamelessly.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-11 22:51

俾警告有o羊問題呀
俾著係Europe (e.g. England)﹐北美的警察﹐警告你一聲唔聽﹐再郁就十字鎖韃你,  ...
chunsh 發表於 2011-8-11 22:30

死蠢，

口頭警告同凶你話會掹槍嘅分別你都唔識呀？用槍係第幾級武力？用 taser 係第幾級、用 knight stick 係第幾級、徒手制服又係第幾級，要使用呢幾樣唔同級別嘅武力全部都有指引。記者影相就用槍啡佢，你都得㗎喇你～

我建議你快啲即刻去考皇家騎警呀，因為RCMP最需要就係你呢啲亂撚咁來嘅人呀！

-力
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-11 22:54

兩條仆街，

響邊個文明嘅地方，警察會凶啲記者話唔走就會掹槍啡佢地㗎？你兩條目嘴舔阿爺隻菊花舔到忽咗呀 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-11 22:30



   
哎呀﹐無講野無point惱羞成怒
sorry﹐督o左你主子﹐紳士警添,o的秘密察
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-11 23:06

Don't continue to BS lar... You just keep embarrassing yourself publicly.  Well, will than make an ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-8-11 22:50

仆街，

由頭到尾你一直都回避緊我不斷追問嘅問題。依家我請你回答：記者採訪，即使唔合作，係咪可以恐嚇佢話會掹槍啡佢？你只需要答我「係」或者「唔係」就足夠喇。唔需要遊花園、唔撚使講咁撚多廢話。Just give me a straight answer.
哎呀﹐無講野無point惱羞成怒
chunsh 發表於 2011-8-11 22:54

無point？我成串各級武力逐樣攞出你同你講解，原來咁都叫做無point。係你自己唔撚識睇任何有論述嘅文字，所以先至講啲咁嘅廢話咋掛？

所以我成日都話，其實一開始就diu柒你就已經足夠。因為同你呢庭契弟講多都係徙我口水。

-力
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2011-8-11 23:15

班友仔似乎冇統一protocol，交通部警長俾記者入，攞晒鎗既衝鋒隊似乎唔知／唔認同，到底現場有冇總指揮？？放記者既交通警又有冇知會呢位指揮先放人入去？？
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-11 23:19

班友仔似乎冇統一protocol，交通部警長俾記者入，攞晒鎗既衝鋒隊似乎唔知／唔認同，到底現場有冇總指揮？？ ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-8-11 23:15



    無protocol會係一個值得批評既地方
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-11 23:34

仆街，

由頭到尾你一直都回避緊我不斷追問嘅問題。依家我請你回答：記者採訪，即使唔合作，係咪可以恐嚇 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-11 23:06


I answer you directly up to your face - YES!

Regardless he is a reporter or not. He was warned to stay put and he refuses to do so. He will risk his own life of being shot.   

I was warn personally by a police once in an incident as well if I did not compile and I did nothing to provoke the police. He just wanted to  make sure I realize the seriousness of the consequence if I did not follow his instructions exactly.

WHAT A STUPID IDIOT KEEP BARKING SHAMELESSLY.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-11 23:43

咁我建議你同蠢薯一樣，哪哪聲走去投考皇家騎警，然後第日執勤嘅時候無論法生咩事都好，第一個 warning 就即刻凶人話你會掹槍啡佢。我又睇吓你可以做得幾耐。

無恥又無知嘅廢物...

-力
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-11 23:46

仆街，

由頭到尾你一直都回避緊我不斷追問嘅問題。依家我請你回答：記者採訪，即使唔合作，係咪可以恐嚇 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-11 23:06



    喂﹐唔好發老脾啦﹐你又係o既﹐話香港警察警權過大﹐想唔笑你都唔得啦。講事實話世界各國的警察實在比香港警察警權大好多(e.g. 你主子)﹐你又o係度發"long 黎"﹐爆西粗o甘﹐喂大家成年人﹐唔好影臭人地o的講粗口架啦
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-11 23:47

咁我建議你同蠢薯一樣，哪哪聲走去投考皇家騎警，然後第日執勤嘅時候無論法生咩事都好，第一個 warning 就 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-11 23:43


Just tell us how many people were shot to death by Canadian polices were actually a thread to the life safety of police?   Tell us straight, coward.

Did the Polish man died at Vancouver airport threaten the life of 4 well-trained glorious RCMP?

STFU lar  idiot.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-12 00:11

建議你學好啲英文先走來同我繼續玩。讀你啲post，直情辛苦過幫啲 grade 1 小朋友改 journal。

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-12 00:46

建議你學好啲英文先走來同我繼續玩。讀你啲post，直情辛苦過幫啲 grade 1 小朋友改 journal。

-力 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-12 00:11


The mind is more important. GET IT? Idiot?

STFU lar... 死雞撐飯蓋
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-12 09:03

The mind is more important. GET IT? Idiot?
rockypath 發表於 2011-8-12 00:46

呢樣你就更加無啦～

都未見過啲人咁死蠢，自己特登自曝其短來等人插佢。我諗呢啲係咪叫做犯賤，唔俾人diu過唔舒服囉～

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-12 09:15

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-12 09:35 編輯
呢樣你就更加無啦～

都未見過啲人咁死蠢，自己特登自曝其短來等人插佢。我諗呢啲係咪叫做犯賤，唔俾 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-12 09:03


Dare not to answer my question directly? 想學小朋友撒嬌扭計就拜託你收埋響屋企，唔該你不要繼續丟人現眼。

You are just a same old coward. Every time you faced me, you could only run away like a losing dog. Just a gutless coward mad dog. Why don't you think about the reason why?

I am just an ordinary person and I am NOT smarter than anyone else including you. It it just because you have a twisted mind and have no gut to face the reality because of your pitiful "face".  

Such a waste of time to "educate" an idiot like you.

P.S.   One exception is -- you are a "蚊雞黨". 收人錢財，替人消災。忠心為你主子鞠躬盡瘁（當然首先銀行過數要準時）。
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-12 09:54

呢樣你就更加無啦～

都未見過啲人咁死蠢，自己特登自曝其短來等人插佢。我諗呢啲係咪叫做犯賤，唔俾 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-12 09:03



何解你做鍵盤戰士做得你o甘無腦﹐成日話香港的警察警權過大???
不過算啦﹐我估除非你主人管治番香港﹐否則﹐你都係o甘keep on "rowf rowf rowf"架啦
作者: blue20ae    時間: 2011-8-12 12:15

Actually, if you look at the quotes of what the police have said, the police are more than reasonable.  

「唔好行埋去呀，影完好快啲出番嚟，即刻走！」 - the reporters already crossed the line and police still let them finish the photos
「呢單嘢好嚴重，唔好行咁埋，真係會射你！」 - the reports continue to approach
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-12 12:26

第一句完全無問題。第二句本來都無問題，但係話會開槍射人就過晒火位，完全唔合適，一定被人diu爆。

-力
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-14 18:30

個記者真係夠膽咁做嘅話，咁你班警察咪去拉Q佢囉。有乜野問題呀？破壞現場證據嘅話，絕對可以告佢妨礙司法 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-12 13:41

拉Q 佢就一定拉Q 佢, 最怕係有人假扮記者其實係古惑仔, 想來破壞證物令大佬可以甩身.

-- TBB 劇集編劇 MJJ
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-14 18:34

第一句完全無問題。第二句本來都無問題，但係話會開槍射人就過晒火位，完全唔合適，一定被人diu爆。

-力 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-13 04:26

已經比你diu爆左啦, 你碌野咁勁, 唔爆就假了~ 哈哈~
作者: FiChai    時間: 2011-8-14 20:08

警察叫閒雜人等離開事發現場有乜問題？講句「我係記者」就可以自出自入，唔怪得某人話自己係劉XX個仔啦！鬼唔係平時差人語氣友善啲記者就當耳邊風，今次大單嘢唔赫吓佢哋都唔識死。梗係啦，唔見咗證物又唔駛啲記者孭鑊，差人緊張啲好出奇咩？試吓尊重執法者先啦。
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-14 21:58

警察叫閒雜人等離開事發現場有乜問題？講句「我係記者」就可以自出自入，唔怪得某人話自己係劉XX個仔啦！鬼 ...
FiChai 發表於 2011-8-15 12:08

最大問題係好多香港人都以為自己係受害者. 個記者一聽到個警察話用槍射佢, 佢即刻覺得自己已經比人射中左一樣, 只係未立刻扒o係地上同身上冇假血漿扮中槍.

睇得多就慣了...
作者: 老友四號    時間: 2011-8-14 22:14

如果警告話:唔好走咁埋如果唔係就会拘捕你!

咁會唔會好D兼冇咁殺氣腾騰哩?

講到尾佢哋只係 記者 而唔係 江洋大盗 唔使郁吓就要开鎗呀?
作者: FiChai    時間: 2011-8-14 22:15

最大問題係好多香港人都以為自己係受害者. 個記者一聽到個警察話用槍射佢, 佢即刻覺得自己已經比人射中左 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-8-14 21:58

世風日下，並唔係一個人做成嘅，唉.....
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-14 22:25

警察叫閒雜人等離開事發現場有乜問題？講句「我係記者」就可以自出自入，唔怪得某人話自己係劉XX個仔啦！鬼 ...
FiChai 發表於 2011-8-14 20:08



到時候﹐"紳士(wanna-be)力"就會整一個topic
警權無限大﹐自己失職"wud"記者搞亂證物
警察應該一早阻止記者進入案件範圍﹐容許記者入內的警察根本就是失職
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-14 22:27

世風日下，並唔係一個人做成嘅，唉.....
FiChai 發表於 2011-8-15 14:15

當然唔係我MJJ 一個人所造成啦! 香港有千千萬萬個MJJ~
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-14 22:29

到時候﹐"紳士(wanna-be)力"就會整一個topic
警權無限大﹐自己失職"wud"記者搞亂證物
警察應該一早阻止 ...
chunsh 發表於 2011-8-14 22:25

歡迎你preemptively 咁去老屈我～

反正都係囉，咪順便趁我咩都無做過就判定我偷呃拐騙、殺人放火、姦淫擄掠、十惡不赦吖，笨柒？

-力
作者: FiChai    時間: 2011-8-15 07:12

如果警告話:唔好走咁埋如果唔係就会拘捕你!

咁會唔會好D兼冇咁殺氣腾騰哩?

講到尾佢哋只係 記者 而唔係  ...
老友四號 發表於 2011-8-14 22:14

江洋大盗就開咗槍添啦。條命仔係自己嘅，唔怕謷告咪行埋啲睇吓點囉。
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-15 09:08

江洋大盗就開咗槍添啦。條命仔係自己嘅，唔怕謷告咪行埋啲睇吓點囉。
FiChai 發表於 2011-8-15 07:12

你啲差佬夠薑咪去試吓搞記者囉？後果會係點，你新政府合處果段新聞已經話晒俾你聽。

今時今日嘅特區公安，質數有幾高、誠信有幾好，大家有眼見。

-力
作者: FiChai    時間: 2011-8-15 11:44

Same, 今時今日嘅特區記者，質數有幾高、誠信有幾好，大家有眼見。
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-8-15 11:54

世風日下，並唔係一個人做成嘅，唉.....
FiChai 發表於 2011-8-14 22:15


Too many raging mad dogs in HK.
作者: FiChai    時間: 2011-8-15 11:57

Mad dogs go everywhere, not limited in one country only.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-15 11:59

Same, 今時今日嘅特區記者，質數有幾高、誠信有幾好，大家有眼見。
FiChai 發表於 2011-8-15 11:44

低極都未有特區公安咁低。

而且FiChai你千其唔好忘記，權力(authority)一直都係被特區公安掌握。強弱懸殊，區區一個小記者，隨咗佢手裡面果一部相機同口袋裡面嘅一支筆，又可以對班差佬做啲乜野？但特區公安卻可以郁吓就告你襲警同非法集結（而呢兩條罪傳統上係用來對付黑社會，但近年來就變成專門用來針對維權人士同示威者）。

你要擦香港鞋，我無任歡迎。但講說話之前，我亦請你擘大雙眼睇真啲實情，然後再思考一下先再講。

-力
作者: FiChai    時間: 2011-8-15 13:18

I am surprised that you never heard of "a person holding a pen in hand is much more powerful than a person holding a gun". Maybe you're still young.
作者: FiChai    時間: 2011-8-15 13:22

BTW, 請您繼續盲目仇視香港政府一切，其實大家真係冇所謂。我只不過多餘想講吓道理但可惜唔work.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-15 13:44

I am surprised that you never heard of "a person holding a pen in hand is much more powerful than a person holding a gun". Maybe you're still young.
FiChai 發表於 2011-8-15 13:18

呢樣我當然知道。軟力量能夠鼓動風潮，而武力、權力等硬性力量就無呢個巨大嘅能力。但響正面對抗之下，記者又能唔能夠告警察？難道鏡頭可以變成槍咁去殺死警察？

要講道理嘅話，我無任歡迎。如果你覺得現今香港嘅警隊，特別係禿鷹哥曾偉雄，對社會問題上嘅鐵腕手法係正確嘅話，我請你詳盡解釋。你寫得出嘅話，我一定會全力駁斥。

特區政府如果唔係做埋咁多陰質事，我又點解要咁仇視佢？既然我有晒理由去鄙視佢，咁又點算盲目？

-力
作者: zoids    時間: 2011-8-15 14:01

BTW, 請您繼續盲目仇視香港政府一切，其實大家真係冇所謂。我只不過多餘想講吓道理但可惜唔work. ...
FiChai 發表於 2011-8-15 13:22


You should have saved your time and effort... Lik is helpless.  I actually enjoy seeing him getting more and more desperate and start posting totally biased bs articles and fighting everyone these days.

I start to think this is his pathetic hobby, this is how he spent time because he got no friends in real life.  Just ignore him or laugh at him.  No matter how hard he tries, he's will forever be seen as a activist wannabe loser who never did anything, just one of  those typical all talk no walk guy, aka internet tough guy.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-15 14:37

本帖最後由 Lik 於 2011-8-15 14:38 編輯
You should have saved your time and effort... Lik is helpless.  I actually enjoy seeing him gettin ...
zoids 發表於 2011-8-15 14:01

呵呵呵～

原來啲新聞全部都係我老作出來嘅～咁我又真係幾勁喎？有能力叫明報、Yahoo、新浪等等幫我手一齊作故仔。

明晒～

-力
作者: 老友四號    時間: 2011-8-15 17:23

Same, 今時今日嘅特區記者，質數有幾高、誠信有幾好，大家有眼見。
FiChai 發表於 2011-8-15 11:44

話時話今時今日祖國嘅公安真係質素非常之高，又極之有诚信。

徹底贯切百分之二百為人民服务！
作者: FiChai    時間: 2011-8-15 18:03

You should have saved your time and effort... Lik is helpless.  I actually enjoy seeing him gettin ...
zoids 發表於 2011-8-15 14:01

You are right, we have no liability to be involved and make him more happy in his fantasy world. LOL
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-15 18:09

You are right, we have no liability to be involved and make him more happy in his fantasy world. LO ...
FiChai 發表於 2011-8-15 18:03

如果你覺得今時今日嘅特區政府真係做得好嘅話，咁你咪講囉。你可以um住良心講得出口嘅話，我寫個服字過你又如何？

-力
作者: FiChai    時間: 2011-8-15 18:18

如果你覺得今時今日嘅特區政府真係做得好嘅話，咁你咪講囉。你可以um住良心講得出口嘅話，我寫個服字過你 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-15 18:09

Lik, it really doesn't matter if you personally think the government is going good or bad, cuz everyone's standard and preference is different. Even I don't think they're doing that perfect, 但在位嘅人就有權去管治, until you succeed a revolution. Sitting home and bark at home works out nothing.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-15 19:06

回復 52# FiChai

宅男 does not want to work out or achieve anything. He can only dare barking in the cyber-world to fill his loneliness and emptiness.

Since there are less people would be interested to entertain him nowadays, he just bites on anyone that is in his reach. You just got lucky.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-15 19:25

Lik, it really doesn't matter if you personally think the government is going good or bad, cuz everyone's standard and preference is different. Even I don't think they're doing that perfect, 但在位嘅人就有權去管治, until you succeed a revolution. Sitting home and bark at home works out nothing.
FiChai 發表於 2011-8-15 18:18

True, as just 1 man, my opinion doesn't really matter. But how many people came out to walk / demonstrate on July 1? Are you trying to tell me that none of those people's opinions matter either?

Why are the more intense methods of protest becoming increasingly common, and more importantly, acceptable among the general public in HK? Are those people only looking to cause trouble and civic unrest?

I thought you are smarter than that, Fi Chai.

-Lik
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-15 19:26

宅男 does not want to work out or achieve anything. He can only dare barking in the c ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-8-15 19:06

賤狗，去仆街啦你～
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-15 19:31

賤狗，去仆街啦你～
Lik 發表於 2011-8-15 19:26


賤狗，去仆街啦你～   What a perfect phrase to call you mad dog.   Hahahaaaaa....
作者: raffaello    時間: 2011-8-15 20:05

I really don't see the police has done anything wrong...
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-16 00:00

賤狗，去仆街啦你～
Lik 發表於 2011-8-15 19:26



    真係富娛樂性
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-8-16 00:25

Moron Lik is just a mad dog.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-16 23:52

Why are the more intense methods of protest becoming increasingly common, and more importantly, acceptable among the general public in HK?
Lik 發表於 2011-8-16 11:25

Are you sure? 咁我應該唔係general public in HK 了.
我就係唔like 佢地果d more intense methods, 因為我相信文明, 反正我是信了.

-- 自問絕對係general public in HK 既 MJJ
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-17 00:46

MJJ你要多啲留意新聞喇：

市民漸認同激進抗爭
http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/news/20110804/00176_020.html

-力
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-17 01:21

MJJ你要多啲留意新聞喇：

市民漸認同激進抗爭


-力
Lik 發表於 2011-8-17 16:46

今次你終於都唔diu 我...

文中有一句我好認同 - 「唔激進政府唔會聽」.
就係呢個原因, 令人覺得激進係可以接受, 因為佢地已經冇辦法了.

呢個係惡性循環. 其實冇乜政策係全港市民都會認同, 咁係唔係冇受惠既人就要用激進既方法去爭取呢? 係唔係要fulfil 哂所有人既wish 既proposal 先可以進行呢? 我覺得社會總會有人犧牲, 最緊要係唔好次次都犧牲同一群人, 不過, 你可能覺得基層市民就係呢一群人吧.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-17 09:46

香港人唔係無同你特區政府好聲好氣咁講，但當每一次都情理兼備咁同你個政府反映，但你就只係意見接受、政策照舊嘅時候，又有乜野辦法唔將行動升級，激進啲、激烈啲咁去剷你？

你估香港人真係好 enjoy 年年七一響烈日卅幾度之下出來曬、出來熱足成日呀？你估美孚班居民又真係咁得閒好 enjoy 24小時咁守住個地盤來咗住你起屏風樓呀？你估班司機大佬真係咁得閒，特登唔開工、dum少轉車來同你抗議大熱天時都仲要停車熄匙呀？淨係由回歸計起，雙普選已經等咗14年，你家陣都仲要我等多兩屆（即係10年）先至考慮廢除萬惡嘅功能組別，而普選特首更加係遙遙無期？我唔激烈啲企出來diu你，你咪一直當我係鵪鶉、羊牯？

-力
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-17 20:09

香港人唔係無同你特區政府好聲好氣咁講，但當每一次都情理兼備咁同你個政府反映，但你就只係意見接受、政策 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-18 01:46

人性自私, 如果市民為左自己既利益而激烈反抗, 迫政府收回policy 的話, 咁絕大部分既policy 都一定行唔到, 因為小弟相信絕大部分既policy 都會犧牲一部分人既利益的. 我唔覺得咁既做法係一件好事.

好似新加坡咁, 政府話做乜, d 市民就要做乜, 咁樣政府真係好做好多. 好多policy 都唔係有即時效果, d 長遠既policy 想行既時候, 市民因為短期既犧牲而唔合作, 咁樣對長遠利益百害而無一利. 舉個例, 好似起骨灰盦咁, d 人會因為地點太近自己屋企而反對, 仲話點解唔起o係政府高官屋企附近, 你話吹脹唔吹脹.

所以, 太民主就會令社會行得慢. 最好就係有d 醒目既人(s)領導, 市民就死跟, 咁就最effective 了. 奈何市民都覺得d 高官實在死蠢, 更覺得自己比佢地醒得多, 呢個先係致命傷.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-8-17 21:33

人性自私, 如果市民為左自己既利益而激烈反抗, 迫政府收回policy 的話, 咁絕大部分既policy 都一定行唔到, ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-8-17 20:09


MCC你奴性太重，一黨獨大就最effecient啦

但請define太民主及社會行得快的好處

民主有制度的，有議會，有議員代表市民，不是你想點就點，又不是政府想點就點
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-17 22:31

所以, 太民主就會令社會行得慢. 最好就係有d 醒目既人(s)領導, 市民就死跟, 咁就最effective 了. 奈何市民都覺得d 高官實在死蠢, 更覺得自己比佢地醒得多, 呢個先係致命傷.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-8-17 20:09

呢隻咪叫做奴性囉？日日淨係識得盼望有個賢君可以領導你、照住你，點解唔花多啲時間去自強、自己嘅路，自己去揸fit？

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-17 22:39

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-17 22:41 編輯
太民主就會令社會行得慢.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-8-17 20:09


India is a democratic country and you can find may examples to back up your statement - "太民主就會令社會行得慢".  If you know anyone who has experiences in India, he or she should be able to tell you many interesting stories.

Moreover, you can even find examples of showing "democracy" becomes a tool or systematic tactic to enable corruptions.

An interesting dark side of "democracy" that people like Lik and his friends would rather to hide their faces from these sad and cold facts and truths.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-17 23:16

呢隻咪叫做奴性囉？日日淨係識得盼望有個賢君可以領導你、照住你，點解唔花多啲時間去自強、自己嘅路，自 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-18 14:31

各人有自己既優點, 亦有自己既弱項. 我寧願花時間去發展自己既強項, d 弱項就由其他人來補足, 我覺得咁樣先至efficient. 自問唔係搞民生既料子, 我真係唔介意等其他有才能既人去為呢方面去做事. 我唔介意有賢君, 亦唔介意有專家, 只要真係有料就可以了.

你話係奴性又好, 係我懶又好, 我始終都覺得一個人唔係萬能, 我亦覺得有d 野係其他人比我做得好.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-17 23:22

MCC你奴性太重，一黨獨大就最effecient啦

但請define太民主及社會行得快的好處

民主有制度的，有議會， ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-8-18 13:33

又係奴性... 如果要自己耕田先有飯食, 我真係唔介意有奴性.
唉, 話哂都o係LYK 識左咁耐, 你係唔係真係唔明我既心態架?
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-8-18 09:36

India is a democratic country and you can find may examples to back up your statement - "太民主就 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-8-17 22:39


加拿大的社會行得很快嗎？行得快有什麼作用？
加拿大無飛機大炮，但人人樂無憂，你不認同？
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-18 10:33

加拿大的社會行得很快嗎？行得快有什麼作用？
加拿大無飛機大炮，但人人樂無憂，你不認同？ ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-8-18 09:36


Just respond to what I said directly if you want to make a point instead of trying to divert the focus.

Do you recognize the democracy of India and the corruption problems associate with its democracy system?

YES or NO, just answer me directly.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-18 10:40

Moron Rocky,

No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time

-Winston Churchill
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-18 10:44

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-18 10:45 編輯
Moron Rocky,
Lik 發表於 2011-8-18 10:40


Coward Lik. Just show the gut to answer my question directly - "Do you recognize the democracy of India and the corruption problems associate with its democracy system?"

Get you gut out and answer me directly.

Do even have the gut to answer my question directly and then just get the Fxxk off from my face and run back to your pitiful dog house.   
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-8-18 12:00

本帖最後由 ricrick 於 2011-8-18 12:01 編輯
Just respond to what I said directly if you want to make a point instead of trying to divert the f ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-8-18 10:33



印度有民主制度，但不是真民主
問題在於歷史中的"種姓制度"，雖然種姓制度已遭廢除，但要徹底消除幾千年來種姓制度造成的歧視現像還任重道遠，尤其是在鄉村地區，貧富差距嚴重，國民素質又相對低下，印度的民主政治沒有賦予公民生存權與發展權，印度仍有幾億人生活在貧困線以下。印度的民主是少數富人的民主，窮人參政困難。印度沒有落實近兩億“賤民”在憲法中規定的平等民主權利，他們的職業、教育、宗教、婚姻等最起碼的人權與尊嚴受到各種限制，成為印度最大的不平等。種姓制度……是導致印度虛弱的最主要因素。

再者，印度長期由一黨統治,獨立62年,有52年是由國大黨執政,52年中又有41年是由同一家族統治,是一個王朝世襲的國家, 所以 印度不是真民主國家。
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-18 12:05

印度有民主制度，但不是真民主
問題在於歷史中的"種姓制度"，雖然種姓制度已遭廢除，但要徹底消除幾千年 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-8-18 12:00


So what is 真民主 in your definition?
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-8-18 12:27

真民主建基於“人權”、“自由”、“平等”及“法治”
但主要工能在於容易改變、調節及完善的特質

【轉錄 強巴談人性】
憲政民主，即“一，一個總統；二，兩院平行；三，三權鼎立；多，多黨競選。然後加兩‘桿子’，抓筆桿子，就是新聞自由，抓槍桿子，就是軍隊國家化”。

西方國家“憲政民主”的基礎是“人權”“自由”“平等”“法治”；憲政民主制度的基本幾點是：公開競爭的多黨制以輪流執政；立法行政司法“三權分立”，以對權力實行監督、制衡；公民直接選舉政府首腦、主要執政官。憲政民主是真民主，真民主就必定崇尚法治。

崇尚法治，“以法治國”，一是要有分門別類的“良法”：由專門的立法機構制訂的、不違背憲法精神的各種法律法規；二是“司法獨立”，由執法機關依照法定程序，“公平”“公正”地嚴格執法。

實行民主和法治，還有一個重要原則，那就是人們在開會討論和議決事項時，必須依程序，有規則；如美國人遵循的有著名的《羅伯特議事規則》。而後起的某些也實行民主制度的國家或地區（如今日台灣等），在“議會”內出現“議員”之間暴吵甚至打架等現象，就是沒有製訂好或者沒有嚴格執行“議事規則”。

實行好民主和法治，公民必須“講道理”：講道理，就是立足於雙方對話，而不是自說自話，就必須以邏輯、說理為交流基礎。因此，說理時一定要顧及不同的觀點，要找出不同觀點背後的理由，運用邏輯一一分析辯駁這些理由，以證明自己的觀點合理。必須弄清楚：“事實”是公認的知識，而“想法”只是個人的看法；任何“想法”都不具有自動的正確性，必須經過證明——證明也就是說服別人，清楚地告訴別人，為什麼你的想法是正確的，理由是什麼。講道理就是以理服人，而決不能強詞奪理、以勢壓人。
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-18 12:54

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-18 13:05 編輯
真民主建基於“人權”、“自由”、“平等”及“法治”
但主要工能在於容易改變、調節及完善的特質

【轉錄  ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-8-18 12:27


First, I don't know who the hell 強巴 is. I asked for your own definition and you just copied the BS from someone. I am not saying what he said is wrong. What he said is just  真民主的表現而不是真民主的本質, 因為有了真民主才有“人權”、“自由”、“平等”及“法治”。

Second, this kind of BS can be composed by anyone and I believe you and Lik can write much better than that. A lots of what he said are just 邊個唔知阿媽是女人。 The critical missing part of this article is - WHAT WILL TAKE TO ESTABLISH A TRUE DEMOCRACY.

I can tell you my opinion in a very short form - democracy was established based on the foundation of the mutual compromise among different counter parts to maximize the benefits and efficiency as a whole. (this is my own original definition. 如有雷同，純屬意外)

P.S.   One thing I have to give the author credit is that he specifically point out the democracy he wrote is - “憲政民主”.
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-8-18 14:48

回復 77# rockypath

First is the will, second is the plan, and third is the action... I thought what you have opinion on is on the second step...
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-18 14:54

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-18 14:59 編輯
回復  rockypath

First is the will, second is the plan, and third is the action... I thought what y ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-8-18 14:48


Why did you say what I said is on the second step (a plan)? I would like to listen to your interpretation.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-8-18 16:30

First, I don't know who the hell 強巴 is. I asked for your own definition and you just copied the  ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-8-18 12:54


WHAT WILL TAKE TO ESTABLISH A TRUE DEMOCRACY

以中國國情為例，我認為最和平的
第一，中共自行結束一黨專政。開放人民組黨自由
第二，中共可成為過渡政府，有計劃的帶領、協助或資助其他政黨。建立議會制度，制訂良好憲法，以法治國
第三，教育人民，做好公民教育，提升人民道德水平，才不致受人利用，達到公平公正

我知這些都是理想主義，但我信有志者，事竟成。但第一步行不到，說什麼都沒用
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-18 17:13

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-18 17:15 編輯
WHAT WILL TAKE TO ESTABLISH A TRUE DEMOCRACY

以中國國情為例，我認為最和平的
第一，中共自行結束一 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-8-18 16:30


Give you a hint - the critical element of my statement is - "COUNTERPARTS".

Why should and will CCP give up its power and authority voluntarily? I will say it is just a day-dreaming.
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-8-18 17:17

印度有民主制度，但不是真民主
問題在於歷史中的"種姓制度"，雖然種姓制度已遭廢除，但要徹底消除幾千年 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-8-18 12:00


That is nonsense. The Indian people elected their own government for the past decades since they gained independence from their British masters.

They are democratic, but their country is poorer and way more corrupt than China.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-18 17:55

加拿大的社會行得很快嗎？行得快有什麼作用？
加拿大無飛機大炮，但人人樂無憂，你不認同？ ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-8-19 01:36

聽完好有感觸...

係, 你地行得慢都可以人人樂無憂, 不過幸福並唔係必然架... 有好多地方, 行得慢d 都唔得既. 我認真想問, 你捱過窮未? 其實我認同真係唔需要飛機大炮, 但連基本生活條件都缺乏既話, 人只好積極去爭取, 不能慢慢走了, 因為沒有條件. 我們真的很幸福.

-- 知足常樂 MJJ
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-18 18:02

That is nonsense. The Indian people elected their own government for the past decades since they g ...
peter236 發表於 2011-8-19 09:17

有得投票唔代表真民主...
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-8-18 18:51

有得投票唔代表真民主...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-8-18 18:02


Just nonsense from you again.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-18 18:53

Just nonsense from you again.
peter236 發表於 2011-8-19 10:51

都唔知邊個nonsense 了~
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-8-18 19:10

That is nonsense. The Indian people elected their own government for the past decades since they g ...
peter236 發表於 2011-8-18 17:17


nonsense, show me evidence that china is not corrupt. in fact, the whole system is built for corruption
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-8-18 19:54

聽完好有感觸...

係, 你地行得慢都可以人人樂無憂, 不過幸福並唔係必然架... 有好多地方, 行得慢d 都唔得 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-8-18 17:55



你要行得快，因為上面有個資本家(你老細)及地產商，要用盡你條命，除非你係資本家，吾係你就係奴隸

係加拿大，好難要捱窮，越低下的體力勞動工作，人工越高，高過大學生office工好多
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-8-18 20:09

你要行得快，因為上面有個資本家(你老細)及地產商，要用盡你條命，除非你係資本家，吾係你就係奴隸

係加拿大，好難要捱窮，越低下的體力勞動工作，人工越高，高過大學生office工好多
ricrick 發表於 2011-8-18 19:54

Canada is near bankrupt now. The government knows how to take HST from you.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-8-18 20:16

你要行得快，因為上面有個資本家(你老細)及地產商，要用盡你條命，除非你係資本家，吾係你就係奴隸

係 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-8-19 11:54

其實我而家放慢左好多腳步行, 因為我一直都唔鍾意行得快, 因為行得快我會氣喘. 我慶幸我有條件可以控制自己既步伐, 不過好多人都做唔到(冇能力或者係唔想做).

自由市場既人工高低, 真係睇supply and demand. 而家既最低工資, 就係為左保障低收入人士既生活而扭曲左自由市場既supply and demand. 香港好多人人工低, 但係都好多人去做, 原因係香港既福利政策. 你唔做野, 餓你唔死, 但你唔好諗住可以歎世界, 因為政府福利只夠最基本既需要. 你搵到一份工, 人工就算好低, 基本上點都多過你拎政府既福利金, 所以就會有人去打工.

我唔知咁樣係唔係有問題, 只知道香港同你地加拿大真係好唔同, 好多野都唔可以搬過黎就話咁樣唔得, 咁樣唔好的.
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-8-18 20:33

Canada is near bankrupt now. The government knows how to take HST from you.
peter236 發表於 2011-8-18 20:09



honestly, why don't u tell us why you are still staying in canada?
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-8-18 20:52

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-8-18 20:54 編輯
nonsense, show me evidence that china is not corrupt. in fact, the whole system is built for corru ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-8-18 19:10


Just nonsense from you again. You are just a stupid fool.
There is no one here saying there is no corruption in China.

But India has been democratic for a few decades and India is more corrupt than China.

And you are stupid enough to claim India is not democratic.



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