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標題: 天下烏鴉一樣黑之「以言入罪」：英青年fb籲刑毁 重判4年 [打印本頁]
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-8-18 03:47     標題: 天下烏鴉一樣黑之「以言入罪」：英青年fb籲刑毁 重判4年

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作者: fy789    時間: 2011-8-18 03:58

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作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-18 09:44

兩條低能仔響FB度鼓吹其他上街「鬧事」，可唔可以接受就要睇吓用嘅係乜野字眼，可能好有問題，亦可能只係好濕碎。但至於煽動其他人上街騷亂，咁呢樣就好有問題。

個人覺得，就算係憑煽動他人上街騷亂呢條罪，判四年確實係太重。而 Cameron 作為國家元首（而並非法官），揚言犯事者必須被判入獄係非常之唔適合，有妨礙司法公正之嫌。正確嘅講法應該係話犯事者必須要受到法律嘅制裁。而 Cameron咁講，亦確實係同中共領導人直接干預司法制度同出一轍，但要衰過中共嘅話，咁就仲有排都追唔上。

-力

p.s.FY你條契弟，你估英國做得唔啱我就會隻眼開隻眼閉咩？任何人去做同一件事，我都會以同一個嘅standard去思考同判斷。而你呢條粉腸就快啲去仆你嘅街啦～
作者: Ribena    時間: 2011-8-18 09:58

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作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-18 10:24

Lik brother,

I think fy789 brother wants to point out that UK/US is
not as perfect as you think, a ...
Ribena 發表於 2011-8-18 09:58

I have never implied that the US and UK are perfect. In fact, I am fully aware that they are full of problems. In some ways, Canada is a better country than both the US and the UK because things in general are more peaceful here, and the we don't get into nearly as many conflicts as the US and UK. But even Canada is far from perfect, as evident by the Robert Dziekański taser tragedy and many others.

I saw the news about the 4 years sentence from an English source (Vancouver Sun? Globe and Mail? CNN? Can't remeber la.), and my immediate thoughts were exactly the same as what I have written just now. With that piece of news alone, I did not find it to be controversial / problematic enough to post it on here.

Cameron's specific comment, on the other hand, is news to me (when I read this post). I saw some headlines and knew that he has been doing some tough talking, but I wasn't aware of the specific remark he made. As the head of state, his comment was extremely inappropriate because it was a blatant intrusion into the independence of the courts (and thus the concept of division of power). Had I knew about it, I most definitely would have posted it and slammed him for it.

-Lik
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-18 10:39

回復 4# Ribena

You are new here and you will find out the kind of person Lik is very quickly - He is the law and his the judge. His 天威不可犯!   
作者: blue20ae    時間: 2011-8-18 12:09

本帖最後由 blue20ae 於 2011-8-18 12:13 編輯
「以言入罪」
fy789 發表於 2011-8-18 03:47


The title 「以言入罪」 may not be entirely appropriate as the objection from the civil rights groups is on the heavy sentences and not whether these people are guilty or not.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-18 12:34

本帖最後由 Lik 於 2011-8-18 12:36 編輯
首相卡梅倫矢言鐵腕對付騷亂，揚言犯事者必須被判入獄。
fy789 發表於 2011-8-18 03:47

Personally, I find it rather difficult to believe that the UK Prime Minister will say something as obviously politically inappropriate as this because they are generally a very well-versed bunch. That is to say, they are generally too smart to say something this stupid. I did a bunch of Google searches just now, and I have not been able to find any newspapers quoting Cameron directly or even describing it in the say manner as what Ming Pao wrote. The closest examples are merely something along these lines:

Prime Minister David Cameron has stated from onset that he will punish those responsible for the UK riots harshly, including but not limited to revoking of any government benefits they now receive, jail time, mandatory community service and possibly deportation for those found to be in the UK illegally.

The direct quote that I keep on repeatedly seeing is:
As to the lawless minority, the criminals who've taken what they can get, I say this: “We will track you down, we will find you, we will charge you, we will punish you. You will pay for what you have done,"’

As the Prime Minister, remarks like these are entirely appropriate. And as you can see, they are significantly different than what the Ming Pao article wrote.

Given the look ups I've done, I have reason to believe that either Ming Pao misinterpreted the meaning of Cameron's quote in the translation, or the editorial staff made a conscious/unconscious decision to write their article like this.  Either way, I am sufficiently convinced at this point that Cameron made no mention of intervening the judiciary process, which is what FY boy was barking about.

-Lik



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