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作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-8-28 14:34     標題: 林輝﹕香港警察尊嚴 不可在曾偉雄手中淪喪

【明報專訊】讀報看到菲律賓總統阿基諾三世拒絕為人質事件道歉,我就想起了警務處長曾偉雄早前的名句:「維護法紀要道歉是天方夜譚。」的確,到現時為止,即使面對各方同聲譴責,曾偉雄尚未為上任至今任何過分舉動道過歉,一貫其鷹派作風,也許有助他仕途光明、官拜保安局長(還是志在公安局長?);然而事實上,他除了欠香港廣大巿民道歉之外,更欠他所帶領的香港警隊一個鄭重道歉。

香港警隊素來在香港享有相當高的認受性,近20年,其廉潔、有效率的文明形象,早就徹底取代1970年代以前藏污納垢的惡劣模樣。根據港大民意調查計劃的資料,過去十多年來,對警隊表現滿意的巿民一直佔上大半,這信任是無數香港警察努力換來的,當中亦包括曾效力警隊多年的曾處長。

過去數年,警隊聲望不斷受到考驗,包括淫照事件、人肉路障、警署強姦案等,對外界觀感及警隊士氣均不無影響。而今年自曾偉雄上任後,對示威遊行的強硬態度,更使警民關係非常緊張。事實上,縱觀過去3任警務處長,李明逵時代每年拘捕的示威者平均為個位數、鄧竟成時代則是雙位數(已幾乎是過去的警務處長之冠),而曾偉雄上任半年,拘捕人數已近500,可謂冠絕古今。到底拘捕是為了阻止衝突,還是引發更多衝突?恐怕只有曾偉雄心中有數。

道歉和下台,你應選擇其一

這些衝突與拘捕,示威者被捕被控、前線警員則工作量大增;而大多被巿民無暇深究,多視之為警察與示威者「鬥衰」,一方「激烈、阻街」,另一方則「捉賊又唔見你咁叻?」,實屬雙輸。但李克強來港警方在麗港城、港大等地方的表現,卻對警察聲譽造成深遠的負面影響。

香港警察之所以得到尊重和信任,因為它的針對面主要是罪案,而且以保障香港人安心生活作為工作目標。而今次事件,社會各界見到警察兩個明顯轉向:一是內地凌駕香港,二是武力凌駕人權。3000警力淪為內地官員的私人保安,而且可以有身分不明的「黑衣人」光天化日下侵犯本港的新聞自由、表達自由甚至人身自由,這已超越了香港文明社會可以接受的底線,甚至破壞一國兩制,大大影響香港警隊的公眾形象,也將使前線警務人員的工作變得更艱難。

作為警隊一哥,曾偉雄正將警隊推向危險邊緣。警隊並不是個人升官發財的工具,而是屬於全香港人的珍貴資產;其尊嚴及巿民的信任,不能淪喪於曾偉雄手中。曾處長,道歉和下台,你應選擇其一!
作者: rainbow-davie    時間: 2011-8-28 16:56

一死以謝天下.
特區三曾同槽亂香港
英年早逝
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-28 19:42

【明報專訊】讀報看到菲律賓總統阿基諾三世拒絕為人質事件道歉,我就想起了警務處長曾偉雄早前的名句:「維 ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-8-28 14:34



挑那星
條粉樣唔講下班糞青點挑釁o的警察,佢老味﹐警察無呀媽生架?
做人公道o的好
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-8-28 22:28

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-8-28 22:32 編輯

回復 3# chunsh

做人公道o的好...

過百學者聯署促曾偉雄唐英年道歉

立法會保安事務委員會今天召開特別會議,討論副總理李克強訪港期間,警方的保安安排。過百名本港及海外大學及大專院校的學者,在報章刊登聯署聲明,批評警方阻撓記者採訪,對學生使用武力"侵犯"香港市民的"人身"自由及"基本"權利,要求警務處處長曾偉雄道歉及作出交代。

聲明又形容政務司長唐英年的「垃圾論」粗暴,認為唐英年對言論及表達自由等核心價值置之不理,隨意踐踏,對他的言論表示震驚及遺憾,並予以譴責,要求他收回言論,及對公眾道歉,亦促請行政長官曾蔭權深刻反省。
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-28 23:33

回復  chunsh

做人公道o的好...

過百學者聯署促曾偉雄唐英年道歉

立法會保安事務委員會今天召開 ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-8-28 22:28


香港呢的叫粗暴?
你睇過外國(英,美,加)的警察點做野未呀
warn左你之後, 你一唔合作就打/電到你訓底
放眼世界啦
作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2011-8-29 08:40

回復 5# chunsh


RCMP sells drugs on the street too. Should Hong Kong Police follow?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-29 08:56

回復  chunsh


RCMP sells drugs on the street too. Should Hong Kong Police follow?
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011-8-29 08:40


proof? are u saying the majority of RCMP sell drugs?
and, you are off topic. those 糞青 always "worship" the so-called democracy and freedom in the western world. They should look at how do the police in the so-called democracy & freedom world treat the protesters who ignored their warnings

One simple fact, if cops warn u to not moving and calm down, please do so, otherwise, the laws over the world, 3rd world or not, the cops have the right to use their ways to force u to "hold still", if the way the hk police did is called brutal, then how do u say about the cops in North America?
作者: sheep    時間: 2011-8-29 09:06

回復 7# chunsh


    執法人員包娼庇賭響中國嘅地方
都係見怪不怪
亦都可能係少數
作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2011-8-29 09:12

Do North America cops arrest you when they don't like the style of your T-shirt?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-29 09:16

Do North America cops arrest you when they don't like the style of your T-shirt?
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011-8-29 09:12



Does hk police beat people the hell up or taze you when they resist the arrest or ignore their warnings?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-29 09:22

回復  chunsh


    執法人員包娼庇賭響中國嘅地方
都係見怪不怪
亦都可能係少數 ...
sheep 發表於 2011-8-29 09:06


I sort of disagree with this one, but I am not sure as well. I am not peter, but I haven't live in mainland china before and the corruption stories that I heard are from潘小桃. I THINK/GUESS their problem is more serious since there are lots of pirate versions of products and food. Without the help of some corrupted cops, I don't think those pirate can be that昌盛
作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2011-8-29 09:31

Does hk police beat people the hell up or taze you when they resist the arrest or ignore their wa ...
chunsh 發表於 2011-8-29 09:16



Yes and no.  Depends on the situation.
For sure to the people wearing the wrong kind of T-shirt?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-29 09:40

Yes and no.  Depends on the situation.
For sure to the people wearing the wrong kind of T-shirt? ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011-8-29 09:31


I am a 陰謀論 guy, I don't believe that is a coincident. I tend to believe it is an event of 擺警察上檯. If the cops do anything like arrest, they will make the noise to the news and blame the cops, otherwise, someone will do something to 李克強 (in the X民連 style). Cops always got their 情報 in advance. I would do the same thing if I am the chef of the police.

話又說回來﹐在港英其間,香港人真的有絕對的自由?
作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2011-8-29 10:03

本帖最後由 Look4chrisng 於 2011-8-29 10:07 編輯

話又說回來﹐在港英其間,香港人真的有絕對的自由?

No.
During Ming Dynasty, it was even worse.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-29 10:12

本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2011-8-29 10:16 編輯
話又說回來﹐在港英其間,香港人真的有絕對的自由?

No.
During Ming Dynasty, it was even worse. ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011-8-29 10:03


LOL, I like your mocking styke
its ok, history and news always show that who know the real fact about world: who got $$ (or resource), who got bargaining power. In hk, water, food, $$ are mainly from mainland china

well, u have your freedom to 逃避現實 and dream ....
人是要有夢想的﹐否則便和死魚沒兩樣
但好多人都把夢想和妄想mixed up左
作者: blue20ae    時間: 2011-8-29 10:13

香港呢的叫粗暴?
你睇過外國(英,美,加)的警察點做野未呀
warn左你之後, 你一唔合作就打/電到你訓底
放眼世界啦
chunsh 發表於 2011-8-28 23:33



So, 好野唔學, 衰野要學足?!?!?

個仔吃大麻,你講都未吃白粉. 個仔吃白粉,你講好多人doh吃crack la.
作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2011-8-29 10:15

Thank you for granting me the freedom.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-29 10:16

Thank you for granting me the freedom.
Look4chrisng 發表於 2011-8-29 10:15



no problem bro
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-29 10:18

So, 好野唔學, 衰野要學足?!?!?

個仔吃大麻,你講都未吃白粉. 個仔吃白粉,你講好多人doh吃crack la. ...
blue20ae 發表於 2011-8-29 10:13



    你唔講下而家的糞青點衝擊/挑釁的差佬
作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2011-8-29 10:19

Thanks, just pick the right kind of T-shirt to wear when going out.
作者: Look4chrisng    時間: 2011-8-29 10:22

"its ok, history and news always show that who know the real fact about world: who got $$ (or resource), who got bargaining power. In hk, water, food, $$ are mainly from mainland china "

Well Spoken.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-29 10:33

話又說回來﹐在港英其間,香港人真的有絕對的自由?
chunsh 發表於 2011-8-29 09:40

無人話港英時代港人有絕對嘅自由,但人地事頭婆班手下有料,可以將香港打理得井井有條,民怨少、民憤極低,咁就自然少人嘈。而且就算有民間有衝擊(eg.67年暴動)、政策或者管治班子有錯誤(eg.警隊貪污問題),人地港英政府都一定會從中吸取教訓,然後糾正錯誤,而唔係好似你特衰政府咁死不認錯、死不悔改,連遮羞布都唔用來明目張膽咁去舔阿爺屎眼,而且仲要次次爆鑊都鑊鑊新鮮鑊鑊甘。

人地港英政府當年嘅管治手腕真係不知高過你阿爺班垃圾幾多N倍。

當你管治好似特衰政府咁如此無能嘅時候,而民怨、民憤又積累到一個程度嘅時候,大事就一定會令到個社會爆屎渠。而如果你民間積怨積累到好似今日中國大陸咁深嘅時候,任何大小事情都會一觸及就爆發成為大規模事件(所以依家大陸差唔多日日都有爆發大小騷動/暴動)。而再嚴重啲,就會變成好似中東/地中海一帶嘅政府咁倒台、民變。

-力
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-8-29 10:37

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-8-29 10:40 編輯
無人話港英時代港人有絕對嘅自由,但人地事頭婆班手下有料,可以將香港打理得井井有條,民怨少、民憤極低 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-29 10:33


This is nonsense. Before 1997 was a different era, as Hong Kong's economy was just taking off, and the pro-British HK people like you dare not oppose the British imperial masters. Now Hong Kong economy has already matured.

The messy London 2011 riots show the British cannot handle the protests and complaints in the society. The 民怨 and、民憤 are very high in Britain, showing their lousy management skills.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-29 11:09

本帖最後由 chunsh 於 2011-8-29 11:14 編輯
無人話港英時代港人有絕對嘅自由,但人地事頭婆班手下有料,可以將香港打理得井井有條,民怨少、民憤極低 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-29 10:33



   
人地事頭婆班手下有料,可以將香港打理得井井有條


都要無甘多刁民﹐多番的順民合作先得架

仲有世界經濟呢﹐本土就業呢?
以前香港有自己既生產業﹐出口﹐轉口工業﹐百業興旺
而家? 整個社會得番服務業﹐金融﹐樓市帶動﹐塘水滾塘魚。外圍經濟有的風吹草
動﹐可以令到整個社會不安
作者: blue20ae    時間: 2011-8-29 15:01

回復 23# peter236


To be fair 港英政府 <> 英國政府, just like 香港特區政府 <> 中國中央.
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-8-29 15:37

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-8-29 15:49 編輯

回復 13# chunsh

First and for all, I think in your response you have overwhelming a whole bunch of idea without delivering them properly. In order to make things clear...

1) how can you justify these protesting university students (in this case, not other cases) as "糞青"? They could be "憤青" instead...

2) What's your defintion of "糞青"?

3) what have these university students done wrong?

4) Under what cirsumstances you think a protest should be like at the university?

To me, I disagree violence. If someone has broke the law s/he should be punished. But, at the same time, I believe that basic human right cannot be threatened. That's why the quality of law enforcement is so important.

To my disappointment, after the HK council public hearing, evidents show that someone must be lying.
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-29 15:49

回復  chunsh

First and for all, I think in your response you have overwhelming a whole bunch of id ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-8-29 15:37


To my disappointment, after the HK council public hearing, evidents show that someone must be lying.



come on, dont be a child
lying is everywhere in human society, and politics is a place where lying is required (or must happen very frequent)
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-8-29 17:37

回復 27# chunsh

If you are talking about "公道" at the beginning of the post and now you are accepting lying of the affairs, don't you find any contradiction? Are you some kind of mess up or your main intention is to fool people around...
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-30 08:33

回復  chunsh

If you are talking about "公道" at the beginning of the post and now you are acceptin ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-8-29 17:37


公道同"政治充滿謊話"有什麼衝突?
先前我說你應該公道一點因為好多人都只是批評警察對示威者的做法不好﹐但卻沒
有太多人說過那些糞青在很多的集會上怎樣對警察諸多挑釁﹐有時候甚至insult。
我相信沒有任何一個國家容許警察被insult﹐他們警告你不要動﹐你一反抗﹐他們
就已經有足夠理據去用武力把你抬走/按在地上。香港警察卻沒有那麼兇暴。你說他
們為鷹犬辦事。但他們是紀律部隊, 服從上級指示係應份(你想象一下如果個個警察
都好像長毛個班癲狗那樣﹐香港整個社會會變成怎樣)﹐ 他們不是去殺人放火。

政治充滿謊言是事實﹐我說accept是accept這是一個事實﹐認同不認同說謊是令外一件事。

這兩件事根本"風馬牛不相及"﹐何來conflict? 閣下的理解能力真的令人難以理解
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-30 09:00

事件跟本就係一個羅生門﹐何解一班癲狗/糞青逢警別反?
甘能唔託的差佬第日俾人打劫/俾D MK 打到HiHi個陣咪能報警

試下睇其他角度既報導
http://www.eastweek.com.hk/index.php?aid=14779

http://www.eastweek.com.hk/index.php?aid=14780
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-30 09:09

你說他們為鷹犬辦事。但他們是紀律部隊, 服從上級指示係應份(你想象一下如果個個警察都好像長毛個班癲狗那樣﹐香港整個社會會變成怎樣)﹐ 他們不是去殺人放火。
chunsh 發表於 2011-8-30 08:33

無錯,佢地並非係去殺人放火,但係佢地所做嘅卻係助紂為虐、扼殺自由,簡單啲講就叫做幫凶!而且,無論係警察又好、軍人又好,其實響學堂果陣都有教你如果上級落咗一啲非法/犯法嘅命令,作為下級嘅話係唔應該去遵守,而係要上報嘅。

我又想問吓你,被禁錮果位哥哥仔做過啲乜野犯法嘅事?既然佢無,咁前線班爛頭卒去禁錮人係咪犯法?着6.4tee果位阿哥響自己屋企門口行出來,又犯咗咩法?

最後,你估家陣我地係針對前線班爛頭卒呀?最大嘅第一打擊目標絕對係一哥曾偉雄。而且,響前線指揮果啲督察都絕對係幫凶、共犯。

-力
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-30 09:12

事件跟本就係一個羅生門﹐何解一班癲狗/糞青逢警別反?
甘能唔託的差佬第日俾人打劫/俾D MK 打到HiHi個陣咪 ...
chunsh 發表於 2011-8-30 09:00

東周呢啲 tabloid 講嘅野你都好信?你不如去睇 National Enquirer 報啲「新聞」啦?

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-30 09:15

[quote最後,你估家陣我地係針對前線班爛頭卒呀?最大嘅第一打擊目標絕對係一哥曾偉雄。而且,響前線指揮果啲督察都絕對係幫凶、共犯。

Lik 發表於 2011-8-30 09:09 [/quote]

挑,夠薑就入本法院直接告政府同警察啦。 淨係講D廢話。 無膽兼無用的糞青。
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-30 09:17

本帖最後由 Lik 於 2011-8-30 09:18 編輯
[quote最後,你估家陣我地係針對前線班爛頭卒呀?最大嘅第一打擊目標絕對係一哥曾偉雄。而且,響前線指揮果 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-8-30 09:15

你咪放長雙眼睇吓個哥哥仔告唔告鳩佢囉?如果單野唔係咁大鑊嘅話,使唔使成個立法會一齊來圍diu件禿鷹同埋李少光呀?而且仲要開一日會都唔夠,仲要最少再開第二輪添呀!
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-30 09:21

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-8-30 09:23 編輯
你咪放長雙眼睇吓個哥哥仔告唔告鳩佢囉?
Lik 發表於 2011-8-30 09:17


我期待你不會淨係得把口抽水,而是會出錢出力幫他們個哦?   

你拉拉聲捐D錢鼓勵他們快D告啦。  警務處長都已經叫他們正式落案投訴等可以開始正式刑事調查啦,還等什麼?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-30 09:23

東周呢啲 tabloid 講嘅野你都好信?你不如去睇 National Enquirer 報啲「新聞」啦?

-力 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-30 09:12



    蘋果呢_ tabloid 講_野你都好信?你不如去睇北韓報_「新聞」啦?
事件由頭到現在都沒有證據去證明誰對誰錯﹐我有說東方說的一定對嗎?可是你卻一
早已選擇去相信自己想去相信的事﹐而去deny其他的可能性
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-8-30 09:42

蘋果呢_ tabloid 講_野你都好信?你不如去睇北韓報_「新聞」啦?
事件由頭到現在都沒有證據去證明誰 ...
chunsh 發表於 2011-8-30 09:23

唔係信生果報,而係信經過多方面嘅報導、video片段、相片而重組出來嘅經過。係你呢庭賤人先至證據確鑿都要幫住阿爺同特衰政府果邊嘅嗟。

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-30 09:53

唔係信生果報,而係信經過多方面嘅報導、video片段、相片而重組出來嘅經過。係你呢庭賤人先至證據確鑿都要 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-30 09:42


撐生果報不如撐學生告政府同警察啦。你幾時捐錢?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2011-8-30 10:13

唔係信生果報,而係信經過多方面嘅報導、video片段、相片而重組出來嘅經過。係你呢庭賤人先至證據確鑿都要 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-8-30 09:42



證據確鑿?
證據?
where?
The court accept that already?
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-8-30 15:10

證據確鑿?
證據?
where?
The court accept that already?
chunsh 發表於 2011-8-30 10:13


一早都叫他們快D告啦。  又不肯告,又要入人罪,當自己是法官。




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