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標題: 天朝再爆列車追尾：上海地鐵列車追撞260人傷 [打印本頁]
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-27 09:08     標題: 天朝再爆列車追尾：上海地鐵列車追撞260人傷

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http://inews.mingpao.com/htm/inews/20110927/ca21732a.htm

上海地鐵追撞260人傷 (17:35)

上海地鐵10號線下午2時許發生列車追尾碰撞意外，當地傳媒報道，受傷人數增至260人，已疏散所有乘客。

上海地鐵表示，今日下午2時10分，上海地鐵10號線新天地站設備故障，交通大學至南京東路上下行列車限速運行。在2時51分，在10號線豫園至老西門下行區間，兩列車不慎追尾相撞，260名乘客受傷。救援人員已疏散兩列車上的500多名乘客。

據乘客稱，事發時層聽到「砰」一聲巨響，隨後車輛急煞車，由於慣性很多乘客摔倒，有乘客受傷。當局在發生意外後，封閉該地鐵站，並將所有列車改為人手操作，令行車時間延長。據出事列車乘客上載微博的相片可見，有很多乘客倒地，頭部被撞至流血。

一位正在事發10號線列車上的乘客徐小姐指出，她所在的列車已經在隧道內停留了將近一個小時，在停車前曾經有過急煞車。她試圖透過車窗玻璃向外觀察，據她所見，車頭車尾方向均沒有其他列車。


肇事的其中一列地鐵的車頭。


上海地鐵10號線下午2時許發生列車追尾碰撞意外，當地傳媒報道，受傷人數增至260人，已疏散所有乘客。
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-27 09:10

天朝嘅鐵路有幾安全，大家有眼見。他日呢個禍端申延到香港，有乜野後果，大家都可以想像得到。

-力
作者: 快樂牛郎    時間: 2011-9-27 09:13

damn i am going there next year
作者: news    時間: 2011-9-27 09:39

more information

http://news.cn.yahoo.com/shanghaiditiezhuiwei/
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-9-27 10:40

Hope no one gets hurt seriously...

BTW, anyone knows what's the reason for this accident this time? We don't have any flash, the system should be running normally ...
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2011-9-27 10:44

fake news again!!!
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-27 10:57

Hope no one gets hurt seriously...

BTW, anyone knows what's the reason for this accident this time? ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-9-27 10:40

According to the video, it was another problem with the signalling system again. Coincidentally, this Shanghai subway signal system is written by the same company that wrote up the Wenzhou powered cars system. Of course we all know what happened in that one la.

Incidentally, the HK-SZ "high speed" rail is supposed to use the same signalling system that is written by this same company as well, which is why I said in my previous post that we can almost expect what is going to come to HK when the HK-SZ line runs.

-Lik
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-9-27 11:09

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-9-27 11:11 編輯

回復 7# Lik

According to their preliminary inspection last time, the officials were saying that the system is damaged by the flash... What are they going to tell this time?

It makes me feel like this control system performs pretty much the same as the C9 driving @ Aberdeen Centre, i.e. 聽聲停...
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-9-27 11:18

又爆國家機密？快D埋左D車啦
作者: ricrick    時間: 2011-9-27 11:19

damn i am going there next year
快樂牛郎 發表於 2011-9-27 09:13



甘夠pot? peter仔都吾敢返，good luck 啦你
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-27 11:23

回復  Lik

According to their preliminary inspection last time, the officials were saying that the system is damaged by the flash... What are they going to tell this time?
lo_pak 發表於 2011-9-27 11:09

Do you actually buy that bs story though? Even if it were true, the very fact that all the signal lights turned green (instead of red, as in the usual worldwide standard) is enough to tell everyone that the system designers were so bun 7 to the point that they are utterly incompetent.

And is Shanghai gonna try and pull the same trick again? That the underground subway still got struck by lightning a whole bunch of times, which is why the system failed?

-Lik
作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2011-9-27 12:34

time to buy bombardier, good luck trying to export these trains to rest of the world
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-9-27 12:57

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-9-27 12:58 編輯

回復 12# Ovaltine

Not just the cart, but the whole system... Otherwise people will have good "reasons" to blame...
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-27 17:44

真危險, 要認真調查出事原因 (可惜呢個係中共既弱項之中既弱項).
作者: satil    時間: 2011-9-27 21:31

班鎇共撚, 閃晒去邊, 應該出嘢撐.

出事原因.... 天災.... 全因神推鬼拥. 萬年一遇, 乘客用DC, 閃燈(flash)太太太強.  
作者: 閒人一個    時間: 2011-9-27 21:42

本帖最後由 閒人一個 於 2011-9-27 21:45 編輯

上一鑊 '高鐵' 衰0吾夠0羊, 今鑊 '慢鐵' , 借去0左國慶酒會表演綵排. 0吾得閒, 免小事 (無死人) 化大. (亞公指示)
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-27 21:44

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作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-27 21:58

俾多少少時間同奈性，我敢寫包單一定攪得惦！
fy789 發表於 2011-9-28 13:44

仲要衰多幾多鑊先攪得惦?
比時間同耐性係冇問題, 反正唔到我唔比, 不過問題係唔係會不斷重複又重複呢? 唉...
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-27 21:59

俾多少少時間同奈性，我敢寫包單一定攪得惦！
fy789 發表於 2011-9-27 21:44

仆街啦你。俾多啲時間同耐性？你等緊佢攪果陣仲要死傷多幾多個人？

地鐵行得慢、路程短都仲話可以全面人手操控。咁高鐵呢？一秒行幾廿米，但個signal根本就未整好，咁唔係莽顧人命，而且仲要係乘客嘅命，仲可以係乜野？！

-力
作者: satil    時間: 2011-9-27 21:59

小學雞?! lol, 抄你都算低B, 無所謂, 咁大家咁話囉.

調查未完, 好囉, 死番三五七千人, 等三五七年先改.
人命, 等??! 等你條撚.
調查豆腐渣.. 調完, 到今日改撚!!!
調查有毒食品.. 調咗.. 到今日改乜撚!!!
調查貪腐渣.. 調.. 改得更貪更腐 !!!

媚共撚, 死撐啦. 唔見你丙你亞公, 做得慢, 改得慢!!
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-27 22:09

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作者: Ovaltine    時間: 2011-9-27 22:27

回復 21# fy789


  Why are you assuming we are criticizing PRC's corruption problems? It's the government official's lack of competence in creating an efficient Railway system. If you are not capable, be like Translink and get New Flyers or Bombardier to do it!  Translink did have problems with it's buses, but not to the point where it involves the safety of the civilians. Government official lack ethics and responsibly. They have a total disregard of people's lives. When the government doesn't care about the people, the people will imitate them as examples. This is why Chinese lack morals.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-27 22:32

條仆街唔借機轉移視線去貪污問題，然後再拖埋其他國家落水來搏做 damage control嘅話，仲可以點樣幫阿爺兜？呢啲賤種係咁撚樣㗎啦？

-力
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-9-27 22:33

回復  fy789


  Why are you assuming we are criticizing PRC's corruption problems? It's the governm ...
Ovaltine 發表於 2011-9-27 22:27

What has that to do with the Chinese government? It is the company that makes the signal system.
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-9-27 22:34

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-9-27 22:45 編輯
time to buy bombardier, good luck trying to export these trains to rest of the world
Ovaltine 發表於 2011-9-27 12:34


You moron, the Shanghai subway trains are already made by Bombardier, or Alstom. Are you saying Bombardier trains are crap?
wow, you are just ignorant and the stupidest moron around here.

Please please please, research and learn before spewing crap here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Metro
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-27 22:40

US has NO advanced fully-digital signal system technology as US has no high-speed railway
fy789 發表於 2011-9-28 14:19

原來美國冇d 咁既野架? 唔怪得今次搞成咁啦... 因為冇得copy cat. 之前大陸最like 派d 工程師去美國吸收人地d 科技, 呢點的確做得唔錯的.
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-27 22:40

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作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-27 22:46

If you are not blind, go to look at Satil/MonicaMok's reply post #20 !
fy789 發表於 2011-9-28 14:40

呢次你arm. 不過如果唔加"If you are not blind", 而係用please 就會感覺有禮貌d.
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-9-27 22:51

FYI, China is ONE of the countries with the most efficient railway system ! Period.
Please shutup  ...
fy789 發表於 2011-9-27 22:44

These anti-China people are just jealous of China's success.
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-27 23:02

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作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-27 23:08

I was a polite LYK user, but not anymore!

I learnt from LYK users that you cannot be polite in a forum as people will
ignore you.

Why don't you go to tell others to be courteous first before you yell at me?
fy789 發表於 2011-9-28 15:04

朋友, 係人都會行差踏錯, 亡羊補牢, 未為晚也.
我唔係yell 你, 只係出於好意only, 至於點解target 係你, 因為我覺得你仲未走火入魔. 講真, 我唔敢再同d 魔鬼打交道, 因為我道行未夠深呢~
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-27 23:11

I don't blame you since you are not a scientist nor an engineer.
But please shut up if you don't know anything.
fy789 發表於 2011-9-28 15:02

我話哂當年都係computer engineering 畢業的, 都總算係同engineer 有d 關係吧~

唔明就要問, 而唔係shut up, 因為shut up 就成世都唔會知, 問左起碼有機會學到野. 因此, 我MJJ 由細到大對知識既追求都唔係shut up 果類型. 你話我乜都唔識到好, 都阻止唔到我架喇, 你死心啦!

-- 死不悔改 MJJ
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-27 23:17

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作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-27 23:23

咁你當年o係邊度訓練? 最後有冇升空呀?

"原來美國冇d 咁既野架?" 係我剛認識既, 跟住就想起"大陸係唔係最叻copycat?" "係唔係今次因為冇得copy 而搞成咁?" 以上既都係MJJ 既心裡心裡有個謎. 我先唔會mock china, 因為我係china 既一份子, 我係中國香港既市民啊~
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-27 23:28

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作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-27 23:56

Failures are daily rituals in R&D activities.

Please don't do R&D and inventions if one is afraid ...
fy789 發表於 2011-9-27 23:28

仆街，

有人坐嘅鐵路唔係俾你攞來做R＆D，而人命傷亡更唔係俾你阿爺攞來玩或者出風頭、爭面子。你軟件、硬件根本都未做好，夾硬要用咪即係攞人命來校飛？！

-力
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-27 23:57

Failures are daily rituals in R&D activities.

Please don't do R&D and inventions if one is afraid ...
fy789 發表於 2011-9-28 15:28

我完全認同R&D 有 failure 一d 都唔奇.

而家最大問題係件野去左production, 而家先黎發覺可能有問題, 而因為呢個問題就發生左兩單鐵路事件. 我覺得一句"R&D 有 failure"絕對唔係藉口law. 上次高鐵(乜鐵都好啦, 我唔拗了), 到而家已經有一段時間, 係唔係發生緊同一個問題? 定係有另外既問題? 係唔係有問題都要go through, o係production 到做test, 不斷有意外, 中國人民做實驗品? 你唔係無知既, 我相信你一定明白我講緊乜. 問題係我地冇人知道大陸點去解決呢件事, 因為根本冇透明度, 外人根本無法知曉內部發生緊d 乜野事...
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-28 00:02

仆街，

有人坐嘅鐵路唔係俾你攞來做R＆D，而人命傷亡更唔係俾你阿爺攞來玩或者出風頭、爭面子。你軟件、 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-9-28 15:56

我唔明點解力兄你成日覺得阿爺好鍾意攞人民來玩或者出風頭, 爭面子. 我更唔明一個完善既鐵路系統對中國有乜野唔好. 而家好明顯有d 野係唔完善, 諗計切掂佢law, 係唔係想成個鐵路系統打柴先開心丫?
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-28 00:18

你唔係無知既, 我相信你一定明白我講緊乜.
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-9-27 23:57

條仆街唔係無知，只不過係無恥嗟！
我唔明點解力兄你成日覺得阿爺好鍾意攞人民來玩或者出風頭, 爭面子. 我更唔明一個完善既鐵路系統對中國有乜野唔好. 而家好明顯有d 野係唔完善, 諗計切掂佢law, 係唔係想成個鐵路系統打柴先開心丫?
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-9-28 00:02

阿爺好大喜功係人所共知嘅事，我根本無須要同你坳呢樣野。而攞人民條命來校飛係客觀嘅事實判斷。正如Satil兄所講，豆腐渣、黑心食品、貪腐問題等等，每一件事都不斷話俾我地聽只要唔影響到佢政權嘅話，阿爺根本對人命有否傷亡毫不關心。

一個完善既鐵路系統對中國自然係好，但好明顯，家陣嘅鐵路唔完善不特止，連最基本嘅安全標準都做唔到。除咗譴責佢、diu柒佢、令到佢有咁樣衰得咁樣衰之外，你仲可以做乜野？因為話到尾，阿爺就係最要面子。響全世界面前丟架，阿爺先至可能會做返多少野。

-力
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-28 00:45

阿爺好大喜功係人所共知嘅事，我根本無須要同你坳呢樣野。而攞人民條命來校飛係客觀嘅事實判斷。正如Satil兄所講，豆腐渣、黑心食品、貪腐問題等等，每一件事都不斷話俾我地聽只要唔影響到佢政權嘅話，阿爺根本對人命有否傷亡毫不關心。

一個完善既鐵路系統對中國自然係好，但好明顯，家陣嘅鐵路唔完善不特止，連最基本嘅安全標準都做唔到。除咗譴責佢、diu柒佢、令到佢有咁樣衰得咁樣衰之外，你仲可以做乜野？因為話到尾，阿爺就係最要面子。響全世界面前丟架，阿爺先至可能會做返多少野。
Lik 發表於 2011-9-28 16:18

我唔知乜野叫"阿爺", 如果你係話共產黨(我假設係啦), 我就唔覺得佢地好大喜功. 而家中國經濟起飛, 而家唔發圍真係唔知等幾時, 我相信發圍同好大喜功可能有d 聯繫, 令人會將兩者聯想起來. 至於視人命如草介, 呢一點我係認同既, 因為阿爺係以國(黨)行先, 人民係為國(黨)服務, 捐軀其實都係為國(黨)服務, 而且中國實在太多人, 俗d 講真係多一個唔多, 少一個唔少.

至於鐵路問題, 鐵路局真係難辭其咎. 不過身為中國人, 我唔贊成譴責佢、diu柒佢、令到佢有咁樣衰得咁樣衰係唯一既方法. 我天真又好, 傻又好, 如果我真係幫到手, 我覺得我會去幫手law. 指責根本對事件冇幫助的. 拿, 我唔係話你指責唔岩, 每個人都有其表達方法, 你即管繼續去做, 我覺得社會要有唔同既聲音先至健康的.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-28 09:29

而且中國實在太多人, 俗d 講真係多一個唔多, 少一個唔少
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-9-28 00:45

就憑你講得出呢句說話，我地就可以睇到你對生命有幾咁唔尊重。如果真係多一個唔多、少一個唔少嘅話，點解你唔第一個死撚咗佢？

我呢句其實可以再講得惡毒好多，不過我唔係好似你咁，因為我尊重生命。

-力
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-28 10:56

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-9-28 10:58 編輯

I wonder whether there is a serious design flaw of the controlling system. We cannot expect the signaling system working perfectly at all time and it will break down at some point some time. It is inevitable.

A false-safe mechanism must be in place even if the train is operated manually. The control board should be able to monitor the exact position of every train at any time. A device on board must be able to give warning to the drivers of two trains when they get too closed to each other even when the  power on train is down (like what is equipped on an aircraft)     

I just cannot understand how can an accident like this could happen under the technologies we have today.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-28 11:48

Of course there is a serious design flaw la, bun 7. What train signalling system in the world would default everything to green light when there is a system failure? 咁撚勁嘅設計，真係只有天朝先至做得到！

-Lik
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-9-28 11:48

There may be nothing wrong with the design of the signal system.
Some people say there is a quality issue.

Design and reliability are two different things.
A signal system with a very good design, can still fail from time to time. The important thing is to make sure the procedure of dealing when a failure occurs, e.g. manual control at at slower speeds.

The subway was under manual control at that time. But the driver of the second train made a mistake of not stopping in time.
作者: news    時間: 2011-9-28 12:29

as rocky said..the main control centre should be able to tell if the 2 trains are too closed coz they are supposed to know which trains are where exactly
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-28 12:45

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-9-28 12:47 編輯
Of course there is a serious design flaw la, bun 7. What train signalling system in the world would  ...
Lik 發表於 2011-9-28 11:48


Bun 7 Lik.  Learn how to read human words first before barking.

What I said is the controlling system and signalling system is just part of the bigger system controlling the operation of the train network.

Your computer science degree did not give you the ability to understand this?

What a bun 7.
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-28 12:46

as rocky said..the main control centre should be able to tell if the 2 trains are too closed coz the ...
news 發表於 2011-9-28 12:29


That is something does not sound right to me.
作者: Lik    時間: 2011-9-28 13:02

Bun 7 Lik.  Learn how to read human words first before barking.

What I said is the controlling sy ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-9-28 12:45

Bun 7,

The moment the signalling system is not working right, it should default to red lights in the interest of safety. Only the Chinese-designed system would default to green light, as revealed by the Wenzhou accident, at times of system failure. 咁撚勁嘅設計，真係只有天朝先至做得到！

-Lik
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-9-28 13:42

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-9-28 13:44 編輯
Bun 7,

The moment the signalling system is not working right, it should default to red lights in t ...
Lik 發表於 2011-9-28 13:02


You rubbish moron, the Wenzhou signal system was already damaged by the lightning and the display system was not working normally.
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-9-28 14:08

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-9-28 14:18 編輯

... Feel fantasic when I see comments from the fellows here who know nothing...

One simple question... In what circumstances would the fire alarm at your home be shut off when there is a fire (even smoke) actually happened at your house?? In what conditions the system can be overrided by the technican?? Nothing fancy, but should be everything under control and monitoring...

Don't tell me how complicated the control system of the subway signal is? If it cannot pursue safety as the "most" important factor in the design... I can only conclude it is a "totally" USELESS EAT SHXT design... That is absolutely "RETARDED"...
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-9-28 14:39

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-9-28 14:41 編輯
... Feel fantasic when I see comments from the fellows here who know nothing...

One simple q ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-9-28 14:08

The Wenzhou signal system did not need to work, once manual control was in place.
It was never about the signal system.

With manual control in place, the driver is supposed to drive the highspeed train at very slow speed and visually make sure there is no train ahead, instead of relying on the colour of the signal lights.
作者: lo_pak    時間: 2011-9-28 14:41

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-9-28 14:56 編輯
The Wenzhou signal system did not need to work, once manual control was in place.
It was never abou ...
peter236 發表於 2011-9-28 14:39


zzzzzzzzzzzzz............

Don't you "feel" sorry with the so-called "official" annoucement if it's not even "closed" to fact? (Pay the driver with $$ and make him quiet...)

I don't know, it only works for you OUR Pe...ter... Life worths nothing to you... But it worths a "BIG" part to me and most of us in jurisdiction...

Sometime if you can keep "quiet" on these posts related to "public safety" "AT" China... you... at least... show some respects from us @ LYK...
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2011-9-28 16:21

the main issue: why was it allowed to switch to manual control at the first place???
if the signal system was damaged, everything should be stopped.
does ppl think they can beat the million-dollar worth signal system???
and the china made ATP is a joke.
It is very dumb that the front train sending signal the the rear train to stop. what if the train broke down?
it should be the track giving "permission" to the rear train to "go".
this way if everything goes wrong, every the track signal broke, it won't send out the permission to the rear train.
作者: satil    時間: 2011-9-28 16:33

最終底線: 無論控制中心指令, 無論司機人手操控, 列車本身都應有獨立最終的防撞系統, 絕對防止撞車, 絕對要求列車保留安全距離.

人手操控就可以飛車?? 幾時老共咁信任其人民?? 誰可保證司機人手操控時, 全心加速撞車, 病發昏倒....

在彎曲隧道中, 人手目視開車, 靠眼睇到停車, 唔好笑死人啦
作者: rockypath    時間: 2011-9-28 17:31

最終底線: 無論控制中心指令, 無論司機人手操控, 列車本身都應有獨立最終的防撞系統, 絕對防止撞車, 絕對要求列車保留安全距離.
satil 發表於 2011-9-28 16:33


This technology and equipment are available.  It is an independent system to ensure the safety regardless the command from the control center (of course, it can still be overrided manually or ignored the warning).   That is the reason I cannot understand how it could happen.
作者: satil    時間: 2011-9-28 18:29

回復 58# rockypath

This technology and equipment are available, BUT not working in any train running in China.
override? no way, the system should still CONTROL, may be manually run under 10km/hr
Ignored? no way, it should auto stop before a safe distance.

如果有司機想自殺, 想恐襲, 衝入站, 系統點都要take over!!! 咁先至可以話安全的防撞系統.

So simple, that is the reason i cannont understand how it caould happen TOO.
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-9-28 18:49

人手操控就可以飛車??
satil 發表於 2011-9-28 16:33

They were not 飛車. The subway was just in manual control.
作者: peter236    時間: 2011-9-28 18:50

the main issue: why was it allowed to switch to manual control at the first place???
if the signal  ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-9-28 16:21

Switching to manual is international standard.
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-28 19:01

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作者: peter236    時間: 2011-9-28 19:32

Some people here do not understand that switching to manual control is international standard. But with manual control the staff and the drivers still need to do it properly.
作者: MoiRhapsody    時間: 2011-9-28 20:22

it is a high-speed rail way. If the signal system is down, it should be SHUT DOWN before it fix, not manually operate, trying to catch up the schedule.
it is not an international standard for HIGH SPEED RAIL. moron.
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-28 20:29

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作者: jh66    時間: 2011-9-28 22:20

天朝又有新名詞叫輕度追尾.
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-29 17:47

就憑你講得出呢句說話，我地就可以睇到你對生命有幾咁唔尊重。如果真係多一個唔多、少一個唔少嘅話，點解 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-9-29 01:29

我諗你係睇唔明我係以共產黨既立場去講. 算喇, 我無謂同你拗, 因為你根本對我有bias 的.

-- 一笑置之 MJJ
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-29 17:51

it is a high-speed rail way. If the signal system is down, it should be SHUT DOWN before it fix, not ...
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-9-29 12:22

朋友... 今次是地鐵...
作者: satil    時間: 2011-9-29 18:57

無論快車, 慢車,  設計操控系統, 都不能任由人手在無王管的情況下操作, 始終都要有獨立系統把守是後一關.

人手操控是最不受控的一環! 老共幾時開始信人民大眾?!?!??

不能撞車! 太快太近都有監控, 絕對指令 "停車". 不要撞車這是最簡單要求!!

人民無需要為r & d 的失誤而付出代價! 你邏輯設計有問題, 設計有缺憾, 請重做, 不是在推諉, 不是在死撐, JUST FIX IT !
作者: mcjohnjohn    時間: 2011-9-29 19:33

無論快車, 慢車,  設計操控系統, 都不能任由人手在無王管的情況下操作, 始終都要有獨立系統把守是後一關. : ...
satil 發表於 2011-9-30 10:57

satil, 其實緊急時候人手操控就好正常.

電腦系統就總會有bug (睇下多定少), 總會有失控既時候. 能發現有問題而shift 去manual 其實都係一個重要既環節. 問題係人手操控既practice 係唔係足夠, 人手操控就預左冇咁efficient, 一定冇電腦respond 得咁快, 最緊要係安全同埋維持有限度服務, 直至電腦系統恢復正常. (呢個咁既系統可唔可以正常就係令一回事)

這應該算係BCP 既其中一環吧! BCP 應該有Drill 的. 我諗有兩個可能性, 一係d staff 唔係well practice, 二就係個procedure 太複雜, 增加出錯既機會. 點都好, 都係要改既.
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-29 20:11

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作者: satil    時間: 2011-9-29 20:17

回復 73# fy789

引用chunsh一句.
“yeah, fy789 is just a loser who like to insult other when he found no points to support his argument. Poor him”
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-29 20:58

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作者: satil    時間: 2011-9-29 22:58

回復 75# fy789

你一向都在LYK惡晒, 拗曲事實, 抺黑, 人身攻擊都是你強項. BS與否都比你話晒事, 人地copycat你, 你都可以反指控人, 一唔同你意見, 你必先粗言穢語, 繼而人身攻擊, 受你氣的人少嗎?! 你話唔係人身攻擊, 你話你無粗言穢語, 你一言堂大晒咩. 有無睇吓臭氣榜, 你人氣都唔低喎, 恭喜你囉.


提吓你, 亞伯我退休生活十分寫意, 得閒遊山玩水, 空閒來悶悶地才搵你娛樂一番, 順便練吓倉頡打字. 你亂屈既人身攻擊, LYK咁多明眼人, 又點會唔識睇呀.

To me? I don’t care and I don’t mind, sometime really enjoy

你又攻唔走我, 到我癮起又有時間我又會嚟玩吓 (若學你講, 我有咁多ID, keep用依個, 係明挑你, 吹咩). 你咁上心喎, 係都要自動對位入座, 等住啦, 會不斷明益你收多一個幾毫.   多謝我先啦.

一有咁既激情, 個論壇都旺咗好多, LYK又可以收多啲sponsors.  Hahaha.
作者: fy789    時間: 2011-9-29 23:07

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作者: satil    時間: 2011-9-30 08:18

回復 77# fy789

賊喊捉賊!

“Remember you used the Ribena & CALL-151 account to start all those dirty one-man show, and if
I were you, I'd better be careful. You knew better than me what I had done in that few
weeks disappearing in July, and if not, your friend, Vincent, the LYK admin, will tell you.”
作者: blue20ae    時間: 2011-9-30 12:01

天朝又有新名詞叫輕度追尾.
jh66 發表於 2011-9-28 22:20


ha ha or ..."百年一遇" 突發意外



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