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作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-15 23:13 標題: 今日中國：兩車碾爛女童下半身冷血行人路過不屑一顧

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條片係來自南方台今日最新聞嘅彭彭。

路人對意外同傷者視而不見，響天朝裡面發生，其實我真係一啲都唔出奇。來來去去我都唔知講過幾多次：今日嘅天朝實在太多人無人性，而且亦有太多人利用他人嘅好心來誣告有心人。南京彭宇案、天津許雲鶴案就係最好嘅例子。出於好心去幫人，之後仲要被人告返轉頭，而最荒謬嘅係，法院嘅判決竟然可以享明顯係證據不足嘅情況下判咗出於好心去幫人嘅有心人要負上部份刑責。連法律機器都話埋俾人民聽，你去幫人就只會惹禍上身，咁人民見死不救又有咩咁奇怪呢？

一眾五毛廢柴夠薑回應嘅話，我大概都想像到佢地會講啲乜野。

-力

作者: emailyahoo 時間: 2011-10-15 23:30

現今的大陸簡直是瘋了！
這裡那幾位五毛快點覺醒啦！這些天天在發生著的恐怖事，五毛是間接有份造成的！

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-10-15 23:35

本帖最後由 peter236 於 2011-10-15 23:39 編輯

This program host did a great job, by alerting the public to social malfunction. Recall that the same host was making criticism after the the highspeed train accident.

Mr Lik, there are no 50-cents people here, please control your imagination.

作者: ricrick 時間: 2011-10-15 23:43

我要找心理医生
這正是為何大陸甘多假野毒害同胞的寫照，你死你事，根本普通路人都是這樣

作者: 嘉嘉 時間: 2011-10-16 16:54

我有個好鍾意研究時事既朋友o係fb放咗條link出o黎
解釋咗點解大陸咁多人都咁冷血，唉............
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u= ... tQPILCW5I5r9XhCmKqQ

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-16 17:55

我有個好鍾意研究時事既朋友o係fb放咗條link出o黎
解釋咗點解大陸咁多人都咁冷血，唉............
...
嘉嘉發表於 2011-10-16 16:54

天津許雲鶴案亦係一單引起好大徊響嘅同類型案件。

-力

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-10-16 17:59

我要找心理医生
這正是為何大陸甘多假野毒害同胞的寫照，你死你事，根本普通路人都是這樣 ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-10-16 15:43

呢個係可悲既事實, 只希望隨著人民教育水平提高, 生活質素提升, 會令佢地有更多空間去改善道德價值觀吧.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-16 18:36

呢個係可悲既事實, 只希望隨著人民教育水平提高, 生活質素提升, 會令佢地有更多空間去改善道德價值觀吧. ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-10-16 17:59

在可見嘅未來，我睇唔到任何理由情況會改善。只要共慘黨繼續執政，人治-亦即係無法無天嘅情況-只會繼續。人治之下就無人會尊重同相信法律。而無人相信法律嘅話，呢啲情況只會繼續發生。

-力

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-10-16 18:51

在可見嘅未來，我睇唔到任何理由情況會改善。只要共慘黨繼續執政，人治-亦即係無法無天嘅情況-只會繼續。 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 10:36

老兄, 如果將中國入面發生既所有野都歸究o係共產黨身上既話, 我覺得唔係咁公平. d 市民隨地大小便, 共產黨; d 無良商人製造有毒食物, 共產黨; d 人冇人性, 共產黨. 究竟共產黨係唔係真係所有問題既根源呢? 呢點值得大家認真思考.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-10-16 18:59

老兄, 如果將中國入面發生既所有野都歸究o係共產黨身上既話, 我覺得唔係咁公平. d 市民隨地大小便, 共產黨 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-10-16 18:51

These things happen everywhere as we all know. Mr Lik is going to blame it on the government which is baseless.

作者: jh66 時間: 2011-10-16 19:01

呢d都係個別事件姐,個社會咩野人都有ga la ,大陸多數人是好的.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-16 19:10

從多個程度上，共慘黨確實係脫離唔到關係。唔單只係人治問題而引申到民間唔相信法律，以前我亦講過好多N次自毛賊東引發民革之後，有良心嘅人死嘅死、被鬥臭嘅被鬥臭，存活落來嘅有好多人都係道德敗壞之輩。而且民革一役，中華文化裡面嘅道德、倫理關係嚴重被撕裂、甚至被摧毀。良心、人性等等其實就係來自道德同倫理。共慘黨讓民革毀滅晒呢一切，咁試問唔怪佢又怪邊個呢？

-力

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-10-16 19:21

從多個程度上，共慘黨確實係脫離唔到關係。唔單只係人治問題而引申到民間唔相信法律，以前我亦講過好多N次 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 11:10

你都識講 - 民革. 幾多年前既事? 係唔係要一直指住呢d 已發生左既痛心疾首既事實黎痛罵? 冇錯, 心裡面一定有條刺, 呢d 事情令中國唔單止冇跟隨世界向前走, 反而後退了. 冇錯, 係共產黨引發呢d 事, 人誰無錯? 係唔係唔比機會人呢? 當然, 有人覺得共產黨做過既衰野實在太多, 根本唔值得人原諒, 呢點小弟都好明白.

不過點都好, 我覺得共產黨有為人民做野, 我對祖國仍有希望. 就當我係傻, 慶幸的是我心仍未冷.

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-10-16 19:26

你都識講 - 民革. 幾多年前既事? 係唔係要一直指住呢d 已發生左既痛心疾首既事實黎痛罵? 冇錯, 心裡面一定 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-10-16 19:21

These things happen everywhere as we all know. Mr Lik is going to blame it on the CCP which is baseless. Since these things happen in many countries, blaming it on any government is not logical. But Mr Lik is doing this anyway, in order to further his anti-Chinese actions.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-10-16 19:39

These things happen everywhere as we all know. Mr Lik is going to blame it on the CCP which is bas ...
peter236 發表於 2011-10-17 11:26

朋友, 你話我自私又好乜都好, 印度若然發生文革又關我叉事咩... 我先理得佢整死幾多人丫. 情況就係出砷有人搞基, 只要唔係搞到自己就由得佢搞飽佢. 不過如果自己個仔搞基, 就鎖住佢三日三夜搵唔同既女去色誘佢.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-16 20:24

你都識講 - 民革. 幾多年前既事? 係唔係要一直指住呢d 已發生左既痛心疾首既事實黎痛罵? 冇錯, 心裡面一定 ...
mcjohnjohn 發表於 2011-10-16 19:21

文革由66年開始，而當係當時啲俾毛賊東洗腦嘅紅衛兵係16、17歲好未？計返條數，依家呢班人都只係60零歲左右。就算做咗阿爺，都只係經歷多兩輩人。

紅衛兵自己當年無血性，教出來嘅子女又可以有幾強嘅道德觀念？第二代人依家大概40零歲，正正就係壯年。當中有幾多黑心食品、有毒用品係佢地研發出來？我唔知道。第三代係一孩政策之下嘅產物。老竇老母錫到燶。如果佢地咁有良心嘅話，今日大陸就唔會有咁多以為自己大過天嘅權富二代、眼裡只有錢嘅男女。

文革當年嘅遺禍、延禍，我可以肯定咁去話俾你聽今日依然受影響。

-力

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-10-16 21:30

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-10-16 21:32 編輯

回復 15# mcjohnjohn

I think you may have screwed. I do recognized the love in between "some" of my homosexual friends, you may have imposed not enough attention to them... In the views of the general public, they are wrong; But in comparison, they just show absolute loyality to their other half... In love, it's not just temptation or any other wrongful thoughts, but "understanding"...

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-10-16 21:32

文革由66年開始，而當係當時啲俾毛賊東洗腦嘅紅衛兵係16、17歲好未？計返條數，依家呢班人都只係60零歲左 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-16 20:24

That's total nonsense. This type of accidents and reaction by the public happen everywhere in the world.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-10-16 21:36

本帖最後由 lo_pak 於 2011-10-16 21:39 編輯

回復 18# peter236

Peter, think before you talk... why you are so adopted to Apple products...

I won't say Apple products are no good, but to me, I have many reasons why I won't choose "i" Products... One of that is because I don't want to be the "slave"...

作者: peter236 時間: 2011-10-16 21:43

回復 peter236

Peter, think before you talk... why you are so adopted to Apple products...

I won' ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-10-16 21:36

Why do you say other people like Apple products?

I am just saying there are so many evidences that these things happen everywhere in the world. But Mr Lik talks like it only happens in China.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-10-16 21:48

回復 mcjohnjohn

I think you may have screwed. I do recognized the love in between "some" of my ho ...
lo_pak 發表於 2011-10-17 13:30

我明我明, 不過我只係想講發生o係自己身上會有好唔同既感覺之麻.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-10-16 21:54

文革由66年開始，而當係當時啲俾毛賊東洗腦嘅紅衛兵係16、17歲好未？計返條數，依家呢班人都只係60零歲左 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 12:24

大陸一定有研發黑心食物既人, 亦都有以為自己大過天嘅權富二代, 更有眼裡只有錢嘅男女. 轉個頭諗, 大陸都有老實商人研發一d 有質素既食品, 亦都有彬彬有禮既富二代, 更有唔貪錢有理想既青年.

文革當然對我地下一代有影響, 影響可以係正面, 可以係負面. 正如子女好與壞, 在乎溝通與關懷, 我正在努力做好呢一樣野, 希望子女將來唔好成為社會既"人板".

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-16 22:21

以下係陳雲老師對件事嘅評價：

地獄鬼國的鐵證，今日《東方日報》列為頭條新聞。在街上受傷的女童，如一件不斷被汽車輾過的貨物，古今中外，只會在共產黨統治的中國才會發生。那些假裝看不見女童輾爛的身體（幾乎是屍體）的大陸人，那種冷漠，無視別人在死亡邊緣掙扎的冷漠，只有日日在戰場目睹死屍的人才會有的。也就是說，經歷中共六十年暴政，幾代人活在日日見屍的戰場。

中共就是這樣的國家。而我們的賣港政府，正不斷鼓吹搭橋鋪路兩邊通車、開放邊界連接珠三角，無限量接收大陸孕婦，事事務求與地獄接軌。

請協助將此新聞片段廣傳天下，令天下人覺醒，中國已亡，毋須因為愛惜歷史上的中國而姑息中共。中共也不要劫持中國這具死去六十年的屍體來要挾、來矇騙香港人了。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-10-16 22:35

以下係陳雲老師對件事嘅評價：
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 14:21

老實, 睇完之後我感覺到5毛兩極化... 有人神化中共的豐功偉績, 有人魔化國內的生態炎涼.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-16 22:37

The good news is, the first culprit has been arrested (2nd culprit has already been arrested previously):

http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/news/20111017/00176_002.html

司機毫無悔意：你也會跑！

【本報訊】「換作你撞倒人，你也會跑！」最先撞倒悅悅的人渣司機，昨午疑礙於壓力終於自首，但仍毫無悔意，冷血得令人髮指。他坦承當時知道撞倒人，但完全無意停車，事後逃到陝西西安，也一度堅拒自首。對於被他輾得奄奄一息的女童悅悅，司機顯得漠不關心，直言：「我想她幹嘛？她又不是我的孩子！」

悅悅父親王先生在事發後透過傳媒公開個人電話，呼籲目擊者提供線索。昨晨八時許，一名自稱是肇事司機的男子，致電王先生說願意賠錢，遭王嚴詞拒絕，隨即掛斷電話。

「走好一點怎會撞倒」

廣州《羊城晚報》記者致電肇事司機，先後四次與其對話，獲知他昨身在西安。該名胡姓男子雖語氣慌張，但用字輕佻，沒有丁點悔意。胡承認事發時自己正在打手機，還說：「如果她走路走好一點，怎麼會撞倒她？」胡指當時知道撞倒人，但因害怕逃走。

逃到西安後，胡即安排廣西老家的妻兒到西安會合，完全無意自首：「我絕對不會去自首，他們怎麼可能抓到我呢？這邊有些殺人犯，過了幾十年才找到。我都三十多歲了，再過三十年，我都老死了。事情不就過去嗎？」　

胡也有一名十四歲兒子，記者問他看見孩子，會否想起被撞的小女孩，胡不但回應不會，還怪責女童礙事：「我也有損失啊！工資都沒拿，告訴老闆家裏有事，就走啦。」不過，疑因事件引起舉國關注，胡已於昨午到附近派出所自首。

Personally, I am a little surprised and suspicious that he turned himself in. Given the attention that case has garnered, I would expect the courts to hand down a very stiff sentence, with execution being an entirely plausible possibility. It kind of makes me suspicious of whether the driver is the real culprit or not.

The bad news is, it seems like the poor girl has been declared brain dead:

http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/news/20111017/00174_001.html

院方宣告腦幹死亡

悅悅當日在佛山市內醫院接受緊急手術，移除後腦蓋骨後，即轉送廣州軍區陸軍總醫院。醫院重症監護室副主任文強表示，悅悅送院時已無法自行呼吸，目前出現腦疝、右股骨骨折、全身多處組織挫傷，並呈深度昏迷，腦幹反射消失，至昨日下午宣告腦幹死亡。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-10-16 22:42

回復 25# Lik
唉, 捉到人又點丫, 打耙都唔會令個小朋友返生.
今朝一邊睇news, 一邊皺哂眉頭, 我想是因為我也有一個兩歲的女兒吧.

作者: ecwkwok 時間: 2011-10-17 01:26

打靶，最少有可能令同類事件再發生的機會減低。

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-10-17 04:21

打靶呢兩個師機都冇用，都唔會救到中國人既道德。

作者: Quest 時間: 2011-10-17 06:03

I watched the clip last nite and could not sleep afterwards: totally disturbing.

A chill sent down to my spine and I just couldn't get the thoughts of it out of my mind all nite.

My view for those folks may never be the same again (even though I'm a chinese also).

Q.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-10-17 06:22

Cold blood...

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-10-17 08:16

回復 25# Lik

個 PK 重話
車死佢就只賠一兩萬人仔
車唔死就一身蟻
十幾萬閒閒哋

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 08:59

回復 Lik

個 PK 重話
車死佢就只賠一兩萬人仔
車唔死就一身蟻
十幾萬閒閒哋 ...
sheep 發表於 2011-10-17 08:16

呢個確實係現今中國大陸可怖嘅現實，個冷血師機會咁講，其實又真係無講錯，錯嘅係呢種行為同想法實在太過冷血，而孕育呢種冷血思維嘅就正正係立埋啲咁嘅死人法嘅共慘黨！

話說回頭，今日呢單野上埋BBC喇。我有friend話響英文版見到，但我就只係揾到中文版。阿爺今次又揚威國際！

http://www.bbc.co.uk/zhongwen/si ... old_guangdong.shtml

-力

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 09:05

南京彭宇案、天津許雲鶴案就係最好嘅例子。出於好心去幫人，之後仲要被人告返轉頭，而最荒謬嘅係，法院嘅判決竟然可以享明顯係證據不足嘅情況下判咗出於好心去幫人嘅有心人要負上部份刑責。連法律機器都話埋俾人民聽，你去幫人就只會惹禍上身，咁人民見死不救又有咩咁奇怪呢？
Lik 發表於 2011-10-15 23:13

這次我同意你觀點。中國的法律和司法在形成這種社會風氣有推波助瀾的做用。好心做好事的人得不到保護，那誰願意去冒風險呢？

兩個星期前有人問我如果我在街上看到人摔倒，我會不會扶他起來。我說在加拿大我一定會，但在中國，我想我會猶豫。要看當時的情形再決定。

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 09:15

在可見嘅未來，我睇唔到任何理由情況會改善。只要共慘黨繼續執政，人治-亦即係無法無天嘅情況-只會繼續。 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-16 18:36

情況會改變而且是正在改變。中國的司法也在改變。以下是中國司法參考西方司法制度正在討論或已經開始進行改革。

１）通過嚴刑逼供得到的證詞不能呈堂做證。（這項應該是已經開始推行）

２）證明嫌疑人有罪是檢控方的責任而不是嫌疑人的責任去證明自己無罪，疑點利益歸於嫌疑人。（如果還沒有推行，應該是已經深入探討）

３）建立陪審團制度以使司法得到人民監督。（這個應該是在探討當中，但我相信將來是勢在必行）

我對中國司法不熟悉，如有錯誤，希望其他網友指正。

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-10-17 09:19

回復 34# rockypath

Not only that, also there should be a reform to the promotion of judges and their independance...

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 09:31

以前我亦講過好多N次自毛賊東引發民革之後，有良心嘅人死嘅死、被鬥臭嘅被鬥臭，存活落來嘅有好多人都係道德敗壞之輩。而且民革一役，中華文化裡面嘅道德、倫理關係嚴重被撕裂、甚至被摧毀。良心、人性等等其實就係來自道德同倫理。共慘黨讓民革毀滅晒呢一切，咁試問唔怪佢又怪邊個呢？
Lik 發表於 2011-10-16 19:10

你應該注意到這裏沒有人為毛澤東辯護。我相信在史冊上毛澤東會將是與商紂和秦始王齊名的暴君。

但現在推翻共產黨是否就能解決問題？是否是對中國的發展和百姓的生活最佳的選擇？

如果你能回答一下經濟學第一年課程的練習題，你就能明白我在說什麼。

你花５千蚊買了一輛二手車，但每年你都要花２千５蚊去修車。那你是應該繼續保留這輛車還是應該將它賣掉？

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 09:32

２）證明嫌疑人有罪是檢控方的責任而不是嫌疑人的責任去證明自己無罪，疑點利益歸於嫌疑人。（如果還沒有推行，應該是已經深入探討）

３）建立陪審團制度以使司法得到人民監督。（這個應該是在探討當中，但我相信將來是勢在必行）
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 09:15

Mainland China basically runs on the assumption that if you are caught by the police for something, you are guilty until you've proven yourself to be innocent, and is most definitely doing so even now. Furthermore, Mainland China operates under the continental law system, so court decisions are made by judges (a significant portion of which don't even have law degrees -- I've heard figures of over 40%), not the jury. Adding to the problem is that while the judges are not necessarily affiliated with the CCP, a CCP official of some sort (forgot his exact title) presides over the judge and enforces the will of the Party over court decisions should there be such a need.

If there were any talks of switching over to the "innocent until proven guilty" system or adopting the jury system, I have never, ever even heard of such talks.

-Lik

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 09:35

Mainland China basically runs on the assumption that if you are caught by the police for something, ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 09:32

Then you should learn more about it. You never heard about it does not mean it is not happening.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 09:59

你應該注意到這裏沒有人為毛澤東辯護。我相信在史冊上毛澤東會將是與商紂和秦始王齊名的暴君。

...

你花５千蚊買了一輛二手車，但每年你都要花２千５蚊去修車。那你是應該繼續保留這輛車還是應該將它賣掉？
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 09:31

有種手法叫做冷待、冷處理。由今時今日你都仲睇到毛賊東嘅畫像掛響天安門上面就知道天朝係咪將毛賊睇成與商紂同秦始王齊名嘅暴君。

你個example實在舉得太好，因為今日嘅天朝就正正係果架＄5千蚊嘅爛車！有常理嘅人、稍為會識得將目光放遠些少嘅都知道正確嘅做法係劏咗部車來買過部新。再唔係就算行路、搭巴士都好過你不停dum錢落去整呢個無底洞。當然，現存嘅既得利益者就會用盡一切手段去叫你繼續 keep 呢架爛車，而架爛車嘅司機、乘客就個個都驚無咗架爛車果三兩日會唔知點返工返學，所以就寧願不停繼續dum錢落去個黑洞。

把口就日日都話：係呀，我知道要買過架新車係好啲㗎；我會買㗎喇，不過唔係依家咁嗟；架老爺車行多兩行就自然會順返㗎喇... 多餘啦～

-力

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 09:59

Then you should learn more about it. You never heard about it does not mean it is not happening.
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 09:35

Just b/c you say it doesn't mean it is happening either.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 10:04

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-10-17 10:27 編輯

你個example實在舉得太好，因為今日嘅天朝就正正係果架＄5千蚊嘅爛車！有常理嘅人、稍為會識得將目光放遠些少嘅都知道正確嘅做法係劏咗部車來買過部新。再唔係就算行路、搭巴士都好過你不停dum錢落去整呢個無底洞。當然，現存嘅既得利益者就會用盡一切手段去叫你繼續 keep 呢架爛車，而架爛車嘅司機、乘客就個個都驚無咗架爛車果三兩日會唔知點返工返學，所以就寧願不停繼續dum錢落去個黑洞。

Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 09:59

Your answer is what I well expected.

I believe many members on LYK would have taken first year economic, would anyone be kind enough to help Lik to understand and answer this question?

P.S. Lik, the "car" question is a genuine exercise question from an economic textbook.

The lack of economic knowledge should be one of the reasons why your view is so limited and narrow minded.

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 10:05

Just b/c you say it doesn't mean it is happening either.
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 09:59

This just shows you would rather continue to live in your own pit hole instead of observing the world changing.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 10:29

Your answer is what I well expected.

I believe many members on LYK would have taken first year e ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 10:04

我又真係好有興趣聽吓你有啲乜野歪理咁巴閉呀？First year econ 喎？實際、行得通嘅話先再講啦？極其量咪又係叫你轉手賣咗架車俾人，然後用返賣車果筆錢來買新車之類？

再唔係就話要睇吓架車係長hold定係短揸，短揸就無所謂，長hold就咪掣。但家陣個比喻係國家，有得賣咗個國家俾人嘅咩？你想賣俾美帝、東瀛、定係事頭婆？（話說回頭，請返中華民國重返大陸掌權嘅話，我又舉腳贊成呀！）

Come on, baby!我等緊你嘅「高見」呀～

-力

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 10:47

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-10-17 10:55 編輯

我又真係好有興趣聽吓你有啲乜野歪理咁巴閉呀？First year econ 喎？實際、行得通嘅話先再講啦？極其量咪 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 10:29

係唔係覺得自己好無面啊？

呢Ｄ第一年經濟課的問題，就等那些高中剛畢業的小弟弟妹妹們來幫你。或者是你借本書來自己看。你能夠混到一本大學畢業文憑，這種簡單的入門知識應該難不倒你的。

但你是否有能夠以客觀態度看問題的能力、面對事實的勇氣和追求知識真理的願望，我就不敢擔保了。

Ｐ．Ｓ．你的轉手賣車或是長ｈｏｌｄ和短揸的解釋於這個問題的理解和答案沒有關係。是否又進一步覺得自己好無面啊？

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 11:04

P.S. Lik, the "car" question is a genuine exercise question from an economic textbook.
The lack of economic knowledge should be one of the reasons why your view is so limited and narrow minded.
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 10:04

If these egghead economists are all so smart, the US and the world wouldn't be in such deep trouble now, would it?

Theories are all nice and dandy, but only until they face the limitations and restrictions imposed by reality. By their very nature, theories are only drawn up by people bounded by the theories' assumptions and the author's presumptions and believes. This is especially true in any of the non-science science subjects. Case in point: free market theories also dictate that things will self-regulate, but do they? If academics weren't completely out of touch with reality, why else would they be called living in the ivory tower?

Any reasonably intelligent university graduate with a few years' worth of work experience will tell you that those theories you learn at school only serve as the minimal basis of your knowledge. At a rudimentary level, they work, and they help you analyze the situation methodically. But once you start factoring reality into account, everything changes.

I'd really like to hear what kind of bs "textbook answer" you have for your old car question because I will shred it apart in no time.

Enjoy living in your own little fantasy university la~

-Lik

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-10-17 12:05

兩個星期前有人問我如果我在街上看到人摔倒，我會不會扶他起來。我說在加拿大我一定會，但在中國，我想我會猶豫。要看當時的情形再決定rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 09:05

唔好講得咁口響
你冇適當訓練就去救人
冇事就冇事
有起事上來
個官會問你
您有冇得到人家嘅准許
先至去救佢

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 12:06

If these egghead economists are all so smart, the US and the world wouldn't be in such deep trouble ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 11:04

Hmm.... I believe we found the biggest egghead here.

Why don't you just shut up for a moment and spend the time and effort to find out what the question is and its answer before continuing to embarrass yourself publicly?

The "car" question is about the fundamental concept to be taught and repeated in the first three chapters of the first economic course.

Why don't you just read the first 3 chapters of the first economic course before BSing about the uselessness of economic theories?

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 12:08

唔好講得咁口響
你冇適當訓練就去救人
冇事就冇事
有起事上來
個官會問你
您有冇得到人家嘅准許
先 ...
sheep 發表於 2011-10-17 12:05

Did you ever heard about the "Good Samaritan Act"? I guess you have not.

You should have known me good enough that I do not BS based on nothing.

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-10-17 12:14

Did you ever heard about the "Good Samaritan Act"? I guess you have not.

You should have known m ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 12:08

你可以試吓
冇人會阻止你
我就聽過有人冇急救証書
去救人
結果因處理不當
就被人告
入咗

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 12:18

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-10-17 12:20 編輯

你可以試吓
冇人會阻止你
我就聽過有人冇急救証書
去救人
結果因處理不當
就被人告
入咗 ...
sheep 發表於 2011-10-17 12:14

I suggest you read the act first before challenging me.

Why don't you guys do some homework before trying to challenge other people? It just embarrasses yourself publicly.

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-10-17 12:21

I suggest you read the act first before challenging me.

Why don't you guys do some homework befo ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 12:18

我相信事實

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 12:22

我相信事實
sheep 發表於 2011-10-17 12:21

但你不知道事實的全部。

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-10-17 12:23

但你不知道事實的全部。
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 12:22

唔通你比我清楚？

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-10-17 12:27

回復 48# rockypath

響溫哥華賣白粉係犯法
你話有咩人會真正得到應有制裁？

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 12:28

唔通你比我清楚？
sheep 發表於 2011-10-17 12:23

我當然不知道。但從你所說我可以知道你並不知道事實的全部。要不你回答我幾個簡單問題。

１.  當時發生什麼事情？

２.  被判之人做了什麼？

３.  為什麼法庭會判他有罪？

再告訴你一點－ “ＧｏｏｄＳａｍａｒｉｔａｎＡｃｔ＂有說明在什麼情況下提供幫助的人可以被判有罪。

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 12:30

回復 rockypath

響溫哥華賣白粉係犯法
你話有咩人會真正得到應有制裁？ ...
sheep 發表於 2011-10-17 12:27

又想使用五毛絕招－轉移焦點？

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-10-17 12:31

再告訴你一點－ “ＧｏｏｄＳａｍａｒｉｔａｎＡｃｔ＂有說明在什麼情況下提供幫助的人可以被判有罪rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 12:28

你自己回答番

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 12:33

你自己回答番
sheep 發表於 2011-10-17 12:31

According to the Act, I am sure I won't be sued. Do you know why?

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-10-17 12:35

According to the Act, I am sure I won't be sued. Do you know why?
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 12:33

you did nothing, that's why

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-10-17 12:36

you did nothing, that's why
sheep 發表於 2011-10-17 12:35

no 有可能會告你見死不救

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 12:36

you did nothing, that's why
sheep 發表於 2011-10-17 12:35

It is not an IQ question.

I help the person get up and I am sure I won't be sued.

Now, can you tell me the reason why I am so sure I won't be sued?

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-10-17 12:52

It is not an IQ question.

I help the person get up and I am sure I won't be sued.

Now, can you ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 12:36

就係因為你扶起佢
令到佢傷勢加劇
引至後違症
你都幾頭痕

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 12:55

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-10-17 12:56 編輯

就係因為你扶起佢
令到佢傷勢加劇
引至後違症
你都幾頭痕
sheep 發表於 2011-10-17 12:52

Just read the Act first.

Cannot stand you guys just won't shut up for a moment and spend the time and effort to find out the information and knowledge to help you guys to evaluate and judge.

作者: sheep 時間: 2011-10-17 12:57

本帖最後由 sheep 於 2011-10-17 12:58 編輯

回復 63# rockypath

你自己回答番
sheep 發表於 2011-10-17 12:31

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 13:02

回復 rockypath
sheep 發表於 2011-10-17 12:57

It is you who is ignorant and I had told you where the information and answer can be found.

Unfortunately, you guys are as usual that just won't do it and continue to BS.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 13:06

Why don't you just read the first 3 chapters of the first economic course before BSing about the uselessness of economic theories?
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 12:06

條垃圾問題係你般出來嘅，你自己唔解釋你果個所謂嘅「答案」，依家仲要我去幫你揾佢出來？

你自己無料到就唔該過主，咪響度污染我地條 thread 啦。

-力

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 13:13

回返正題，最新報導話悅悅腦幹未死，即係仲有得救：

http://news.mingpao.com/20111018/gba2.htm

悅悅父﹕醫生稱腦幹未死

【明報專訊】女童悅悅父親王持昌透露，醫生澄清女兒尚未腦幹死亡，雖未脫離危險期，但也令他心頭放鬆了一點，「心底當然希望她再蹦蹦跳跳，只是現在最希望她腦袋好起來，手腳方面遲一點再說，讓我們好好照顧她，教懂她日後努力面對。」

盼日後教女兒努力面對

兩歲的悅悅仍躺在深切治療部，被剃光頭，小小頭蓋骨暫被移除，由紗布包裹，插滿喉管，以助呼吸抽出內出血；她左手包紗布，被單尚有血漬，醫護忙檢查。王父說，小孩子聽不懂打氣說話，「我只是在她耳邊輕輕問，你不是很想跟哥哥爭玩具嗎？快些醒過來……」

王母一直蹲在病房門外，王父指妻子心情未平復，而7歲長子一直在家哭鬧，嚷妹妹不見了，「他年紀還小，只是哄他妹妹跑了去玩」。

王先生在車禍現場附近開五金舖，他憶述當日下大雨，他正埋頭工作，工作桌剛好遮住女兒的身子，妻子忙收衫，突然大叫不見了女兒，兩人嚇得四處找尋，未料女兒才2歲也懂避雨，走了平常不會走的路，令他們撲空，「我寧願放棄所有，只想一切沒有發生」。

天朝御醫連老江明明死咗都可以救得返。如果兩者只能選其一嘅話，我一定會救悅悅而唔救老江。

-力

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 13:15

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-10-17 13:31 編輯

條垃圾問題係你般出來嘅，你自己唔解釋你果個所謂嘅「答案」，依家仲要我去幫你揾佢出來？

你自己無料到 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 13:06

一個連經濟學第一課頭三章講的最基本的基礎概念都不懂的人能對政治和經濟有多大和多深的理解能力？

不學無術還在此誇誇其談，真是無眼看。

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 13:31

一個連經濟學第一課裏頭三章講的最基本的基礎概念都不懂的人能對政治和經濟有多大和多深的理解能力？

不 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 13:15

蛋頭學者周圍都有，條 theory 係有料、係站得住腳嘅話，你又怕咩講出來？我可以同你寫包單，你寫得出來嘅話，我一定可以從實際角度話俾你聽條 theory 有幾不設實際。依家係你死都唔肯攞個所謂嘅答案出來講，唯一合理嘅結論就係因為你根本就知道條 theory 企唔住！

又再返返去正題，響呢件事裡面我地又可以見到天朝新一代係幾咁有人性：
http://news.mingpao.com/20111018/gba3.htm

「冷血司機」被揭假冒

【明報專訊】廣州《羊城晚報》前日報道，有一名自稱是肇事司機的人致電悅悅父親，態度惡劣輕佻，並說不會自首，該報道被中港兩地傳媒廣泛引用；但該報昨證實此人偽冒肇事司機，是惡作劇一場，肇事司機已向警方投案後，這惡作劇者的電話仍能打通，被拆穿後就一直關機。

被拆穿後關手機

悅悅的父親王先生事發後曾經公布自己的電話號碼，徵集破案線索，但未想到有人以此取樂，在傷口上撒鹽。這名惡作劇者的手機號碼來自西安，自稱肇事司機，「想給一萬塊錢私了這件事」，其間他還指悅悅走路不看路，自己「絕不會自首」，會逃往新疆云云。

之後該男子接受《羊城晚報》及廣東電視台採訪時，仍以肇事司機身分自居，態度囂張，甚至在電話中笑出聲來。悅悅父親信以為真，曾不斷致電拖住他，並趕到佛山交警支隊報警，但經警方查證，真正的車主較早時已歸案，該名無聊男子後來得知被拆穿後，就關機了。

一個父親慘遭女兒性命垂死嘅慘劇，竟然仲有人可以呢個時候響傷口上撒鹽，如此人渣，真係唔死都無用！

-力

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 13:39

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-10-17 13:51 編輯

蛋頭學者周圍都有，條 theory 係有料、係站得住腳嘅話，你又怕咩講出來？我可以同你寫包單，你寫得出來嘅 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 13:31

首先，我講的是經濟學入門的最基本的基礎概念，而不是任何theory。連這都分不清楚，真是無眼看。

ＯＫ，我直接告訴你其中最基礎的概念就是－ “opportunity cost" (你曾經使用過這個詞，但由此證明你根本就是不知道那是什麼意思。只不過是虛張聲勢套用而已。). 還有另一個概念就讓你自己去尋找答案。當你找到另一個概念後就再重新回答我問的問題。到時你就知道你之前答的是如何的無知。

P.S. 你是不是要證明“opportunity cost"的概念是無料是廢物是不設實際？我想無料是廢物是不設實際應該是不學無術誇誇其談的這位ＬＹＫＥｇｇｈｅａｄ吧。

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 14:05

車，以為有乜野咁把炮。你夠膽講 opportunity cost，我就更加肯定我可以KO到你個垃圾argument一棟都無。有料到嘅話就成個理論講晒出來，等我同你逐點擊破，睇吓你有咩辦法來解釋繼續 keep 架車、年年 dum 錢落去整先至係上算。而且我已經立即可以應承你，我一定會用返 opportunity cost 呢個概念來 KO 你。

天下間根本就無啲咁戇車嘅「邏輯」去一直養架年年要大修嘅爛車，而共慘黨亦本身就係不斷蠶食中國嘅禍胎。

-力

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 14:13

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-10-17 14:28 編輯

車，以為有乜野咁把炮。你夠膽講 opportunity cost，我就更加肯定我可以KO到你個垃圾argument一棟都無。有 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 14:05

我一早已經很清清楚楚地告訴你答案就在經濟學第一課頭三章裏（可以有乜野咁把炮？這都是再基本不過的入門概念！）。我沒有騙你也沒有玩你。

這與夠不夠膽講 opportunity cost 沒有任何關係。我問的問題就是這三章後面的其中一條練習題目。

你的反應我與大家都預料到並且等著你發作。不要在此繼續丟人顯眼了。

一個從不敢承認和面對自己的無知和錯誤的人，絕對不是一個勇士而是一個懦夫。

P.S. 這個問題的答案不涉及任何Argument，因此也無從涉及任何垃圾。如果你硬要說經濟學的opportunity cost概念是垃圾。我想唯有封你為ＬＹＫ最狂妄自大和無知的會員的稱號之外，我想不出有什麼其他稱號可以給你。

最後再給你一個提示。答案不在於是賣還是保留那輛車。答案是如何決定是賣還是保留那輛車。如果你不想做懦夫的話，就謙虛地學習和思考。

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 14:51

Ok, I'll take your answer as:

The opportunity cost to sell the car is too high because of... whatever reason

Now, preicsely, what are those so called reasons that you claim? If you even dare to cite any one of them, I'll rebuke it with a counter argument so strong that it'll knock you out of your socks.

But I'll give you a taste of the stupidity in your so called flawless reasoning here: If the real world really works like that, everyone in this world would be driving old clunkers from the 1950's because "the opportunity cost to decide whether we should buy or sell the car is too high".

I think you should really be the one to take your own advice:

一個從不敢承認和面對自己的無知和錯誤的人，絕對不是一個勇士而是一個懦夫。

-Lik

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 14:56

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-10-17 15:00 編輯

Ok, I'll take your answer as:
The opportunity cost to sell the car is too high because of... whatever reason

Now, preicsely, what are those so called reasons that you claim? If you even dare to cite any one of them, I'll rebuke it with a counter argument so strong that it'll knock you out of your socks.

Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 14:51

懦夫就是懦夫。你只會讓人更加瞧不起你。

我什麼時候告訴你問題的答案是要保留那輛車因為賣車的機會成本太高？

我早就告訴你答案不在於是賣還是保留。答案是如何去決定是賣還是保留那輛車。

你真是無可救藥了。

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 15:58

So that's your answer, huh? That the decision process to sell or keep the car amounts to too high an opportunity cost, so instead of making the effort to make that decision, you simply just blindly press ahead with the decision to repair it?

That is the most ridiculous answer I have ever heard. Honestly, I expected more from you.

Let's look at the "cost" of making the decision to see whether you should fix the car. The general rule of thumb to stop repairing a car is when the cost of the repair exceeds the market value of the car. Since you already know the car is only worth $5k, but the known service and maintenance cost will already cost $2.5k a year, in 2 year's time, you would have spent as much on the car as it is worth, thus meeting the criteria to stop fixing it.

But then there are the unknown costs. Since it is an old car in need of known repairs, additional parts are likely well worn anyway, and would easily fail. That would add to a yet higher monetary cost. These repairs could be big or small, but they'll ding you neverthless. So your total out-going sum over 2 years is gonna be way over $10k. But by then your car won't be worth $5k anymore. Over a 2 years period, it's quite reasonable to see the car depreciate a further ~$1k a year, so the car is worth $3k. So you have:

($10k) + ($??k) (unknown repairs) + $3k = ($7k) + (cost of unknown repairs)

And we still haven't factored in the cost of your time and inconvenience when the car breaks down, and you have no car to use.

How, how much would a new car cost? You can buy a brand new and reliable car for as little as ~$15k. Repair costs are extremely small because the car is new and reliable. That is not to say there is no risk in the car needing repairs, but the chances of those are slim, and the repair would likely be covered under warranty. You may have to do a bit of research and car hunting, but in this day and age, Google makes that painless and quick. And with a new car, you get the latest safety features and better fuel economy to boot.

So it boils down to:

total opportunity cost of old car:
$7k + unknown repair cost + inconvenience from planned and unexpected down time

total opportunity cost of new car:
$15k - benefits you gained from having the latest safety features - benefit of peace of mind in knowing that there'll be a minimal number of surprises

As a rule, humans hate the unknown, and it costs additional stress and anxiety. Also, the cost of unknowns will usually turn out to cost more than what we expect.

So did that take long? It only took me like 10 min to type it all out.

Now, moving on to the CCP. The social costs of continuing to have the CCP around is astronomical. With 1.3B people living under its rule, how many people have suffered as a result? How many more incidents of little girls getting rolled over do you want to see? How many different types of new poisonous food do you need to eat (and get sick from) before enough is enough? As long as the CCP stays in power, there will be no end to the Chinese's suffering.

-Lik

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 16:07

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-10-17 16:36 編輯

So that's your answer, huh? That the decision process to sell or keep the car amounts to too high an ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 15:58

I appreciate your effort to answer the question with your common sense.

It just shows the difference between how people with economic knowledge and people without economic knowledge look at the same issue differently and the process of making decision and as well the principles they based on to form the decision differ from each other.

One more tip for you - "How are you going to look at the $5000 original purchase price? Should it affect your decision of keeping or selling the car?" By the way, to make it easier, you can leave out the option of buying a new car (i.e. you cannot afford buying a new car).
This is the last tip I will give you and it should be enough.

作者: ricrick 時間: 2011-10-17 16:41

覺得rockypath煩的請舉手
有屁就真接放啦，你係老師定考官？

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 16:45

覺得rockypath煩的請舉手
有屁就真接放啦，你係老師定考官？
ricrick 發表於 2011-10-17 16:41

不如直接向Ａｄｍｉｎ告狀拉笨。

順你意就多多愈善，不順你意的就封殺。共產黨的論壇管制之風似乎已經吹到這個論壇。

作者: ricrick 時間: 2011-10-17 16:50

我不知大陸的保險係點
通常車親人會有第三者保險，但大陸為何要自己賠錢？若有保險就吾洗走左去
車死人比重傷醫藥的賠少，令到私機非車死人不可! 車一次不死要倒車車多次，其實已等同謀殺

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 16:52

total opportunity cost of old car:
$7k + unknown repair cost + inconvenience from planned and unexpected down time

total opportunity cost of new car:
$15k - benefits you gained from having the latest safety features - benefit of peace of mind in knowing that there'll be a minimal number of surprises
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 15:58

Actually, I forgot to include a very important point that I was going to include, but have somehow forgotten.

At the end of the 2 years, your brand new car is still gonna be worth a good chunk of money. Even if you factor in a depreciation of 30% (which is probably too much for a 2 year car), the car is still worth a good $10k. So essentially, the total monetary cost of a new car alone is only going to be $5k, and then you still have the intangible benefits.

So, here are the monetary TCO alone of keeping the old junker vs buying a new car, and I am not even considering any intangible benefits, nor the amount of money you get from selling the old junker before you buy the new car:

TCO of keeping old junker
($5k cost of car) + ($5k cost of repairs over 2 year) + $3k residual car value = ($7k)

TCO of buying new
($15k cost of car) + $10k residual car value = ($5k)

As you can see, at the end of the 2 years, you would have spent $7k had you kept the old junker. If you bought a new car, however, it would only have cost you $5k. If you include the intangibles, the argument to buy new would be even stronger.

Now, Rocky, with cold hard numbers staring right at your face, come out and admit that you have no clue what the proper answer is to your own question. You toss around big words like "opportunity cost" as though you know what you are talking about, but in reality, all your calculations and estimates are completely off base.

The same goes for your evaluation on the CCP. By way of your car selling example, you were essentially trying to establish that the opportunity cost of keeping them around would be lower than getting rid of them. Clearly, you are completely wrong.

Now shut up, go learn some manners, and try to learn a few things from me before you try to show your face around here again la.

-Lik

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 16:58

Actually, I forgot to include a very important point that I was going to include, but have somehow ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 16:52

Don't change the question. The question does not to ask you whether you should keep the old car or buy a new car.

What if I tell you the option of buying a new car is not available because you cannot afford buying a new car? Will that make you lose the target of answering the question?

Can you focus back to the original question again?

作者: ricrick 時間: 2011-10-17 17:08

不如直接向Ａｄｍｉｎ告狀拉笨。

順你意就多多愈善，不順你意的就封殺。共產黨的論壇管制之風似乎已經 ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 16:45

看你開始反共鳥，愚子可教

我想問下你平時講野，永遠第一句一定是“你知吾知我諗乜野？”
我會回問："你做乜諗野啊?"

作者: ricrick 時間: 2011-10-17 17:11

本帖最後由 ricrick 於 2011-10-17 17:17 編輯

Don't change the question. The question does not to ask you whether you should keep the old car or ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 16:58

i will still sell the car since there is no way the car can be fixed.i will take the bus.. walk by foot? ride a bike.. there are many alterations

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 17:17

看你開始反共鳥，愚子可教

我想問下你平時講野，永遠第一句一定是“你知吾知我諗乜野？”
我會回問："你做乜諗野啊?"
ricrick 發表於 2011-10-17 17:08

首先，我沒有反共或挺共的立場。只不過是以事論事。

第二，你講Ｄ野都好無厘頭。你又知道我平時如何講野？我只不過是在幫助你們學習如何思考問題。

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 17:19

i will still sell the car since there is no way the car can be fixed.i will take the bus.. walk b ...
ricrick 發表於 2011-10-17 17:11

Of course, it can be an option. The only difference is whether it is the best option based on the economic principle.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 17:22

Don't change the question. The question does not to ask you whether you should keep the old car or buy a new car.

What if I tell you the option of buying a new car is not available because you cannot afford buying a new car? Will that make you lose the target of answering the question?

Can you focus back to the original question again?
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 16:58

Hahahah~ Look at all this bs here~ Who is changing the question now, huh? Who? Answer me!!!

Seeing that your original question (and the associated suggestion that the opportunity cost of getting rid of the CPP is too high) has been completely crushed by my reply, you are now trying to weasel out of admitting the fact that you have been proven wrong and thoroughly humiliated in the process. So now you are employing your usual tactic and try to shift focus to another thing. As if I am going to fall for that?

I have proven my point and will not waste any additional time on you and your worthless questions.

Go home and close skin la~

-Lik

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 17:31

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-10-17 17:41 編輯

Hahahah~ Look at all this bs here~ Who is changing the question now, huh? Who? Answer me!!!

Seeing ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 17:22

Can you leave the CPP out for a moment? It has nothing to do with CPP here. It is just a discussion of decision making process based on basic economic concepts.

Here is the question I asked and I re-post it here again.

你花５千蚊買了一輛二手車，但每年你都要花２千５蚊去修車。那你是應該繼續保留這輛車還是應該將它賣掉？

Did I ask whether you should buy a new car? What about I ask you whether you should take bus or walk with your own feet instead? Even if you want to consider an option of buying a new car, it can be simplified and included in the option of selling the old car. Is it clear now?

So, is it clear now? You have two options - keeping or selling the car.

To make my point clearer, I eliminate the option of buying a new car. Now, how are you going to make your decision?

P.S. I would suggest you to call someone who just complete the first economic course instead of continuing embarrassing yourself publicly.

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-10-17 17:36

車，以為有乜野咁把炮。你夠膽講 opportunity cost，我就更加肯定我可以KO到你個垃圾argument一棟都無。有 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-18 06:05

唉, 有d 車你冇辦法唔keep...
就好似美國呢架車, 年年負責, 年年發債, 年年印銀紙, 咁又咪一樣年年有人借錢比佢.
呢個世界上有好多野唔係合乎最高效益架喇, 睇開d 啦.

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 17:51

Can you leave the CPP out for a moment? It has nothing to do with CPP here. It is just a discussio ...
rockypath 發表於 2011-10-17 17:31

呢條 thread 係講緊小悅悅點樣被啲無血性嘅天朝人撞親，然後仲要被人視而不見無人理。你響條thread度問得出嘅問題，我就會將佢同條 thread 嘅主題連埋一齊。你係想去問你啲低能 econ 101問題嘅話，唔該你開過第二條 thread。呢條 thread 講得嘅野都無可避免地會拉埋阿爺落水。

過主咪阻住個地球轉！

-力

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-10-17 18:03

呢條 thread 係講緊小悅悅點樣被啲無血性嘅天朝人撞親，然後仲要被人視而不見無人理。你響條thread度問得 ...
Lik 發表於 2011-10-17 17:51

Ok, if you have to bring CPP into the picture. Let's do it.

Just want to remind you - how did you come to the conclusion of overthrowing CPP now is the best option for China and mainland Chinese?

Do you find any similarity with the decision making of selling or buying an old car?

I bet you will say you found nothing.

That is ok and I believe I already get my message across.

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-10-17 18:14

too bad.
中共一黨包攬所有，行政立法司法全是黨有，一輩子都是黨管理，所有都是為黨服務，那當然什麼也會算到中國共產黨的頭上了。
前七論並不成立，因為並沒有資料這廢車實質帶來什麼經濟效益，保不保留車子只是純粹感情上的決定。

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 18:22

As I have said many, many, many times, the root cause of such cruelty and lack of humanity in China is because of Murderous Mao. The continual ruling of the CCP has only intensified the degradation of humanity in China because under the CCP's power, nobody respects the law, nor does anyone believe in the judiciary system. It is basically If you want to see an end to this, the CCP is the first thing that needs to go.

It is interesting to note that with the way things are going in China right now, the status quo is heading for collapse. Grandfather can either try to go along with the tides, or it can die trying as it puts up a futile fight.

-Lik

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-10-17 18:24

本帖最後由 MoiRhapsody 於 2011-10-17 18:26 編輯

再說簡明一點。
你現在放棄車子賣掉，可能得到原來的一半價錢，加上來年的維修預算，你將有自由去選擇將來的代步方法。這當比車子在不順風的日子特然解體血本無歸好。
當然，選擇結果會有對有錯，但擁有選擇權本身，永遠是個恩賜。

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 18:39

再說簡明一點。
你現在放棄車子賣掉，可能得到原來的一半價錢，加上來年的維修預算，你將有自由去選擇將來的代步方法。這當比車子在不順風的日子特然解體血本無歸好。
當然，選擇結果會有對有錯，但擁有選擇權本身，永遠是個恩賜。
MoiRhapsody 發表於 2011-10-17 18:24

講得無錯。

可恨嘅係，偏偏中國就太多人受愚家思想嘅毒害，甘願做奴才去服侍主子都唔想自己當家作主。又有太多人依然一心只求明君，而唔明白完善嘅制度先至能夠為社會帶來長治久安。

-力

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-10-17 20:52

睇咗呢單新聞，個心真係好唔舒服。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-10-17 21:05

睇咗呢單新聞，個心真係好唔舒服。
fibbi 發表於 2011-10-18 12:52

真係好唔舒服架. 雖然未至於喊出黎, 但我一邊睇一邊皺眉.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-10-17 21:11

回復 94# Lik

One thing to remind...

Step, step, step...

Chinese are always funny, big "mine", small "mine"... Mostly "cheap talk" at last...

"YOU" jump, I jump...

Chinese won't regret until they see "blood"...

Is it the proper time we like to see blood again? I believe not... It takes time to have the real meaning of "freedom and right" implant to the general public of Chinese...

Interest groups are selfish, can't expect there are that many "天諸地滅" people living around...

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-10-17 21:14

內地有部份嘅人仲話，幫手救悅悅嘅果位拾荒婆婆肯去救人係因為想搏出位、搏名聲。聽完，我真係小狗佢懶刷鞋！！！家陣係救緊條人命呀，仲要係個得兩歲嘅小妹妹。話人地想搏出位咁賤格嘅說話都講得出，呢啲仲係人來嘅？！

-力

作者: fibbi 時間: 2011-10-17 21:20

拾荒婆婆nothing to lose，一般人顧慮太多，真係唔敢掂。

作者: mcjohnjohn 時間: 2011-10-17 21:23

拾荒婆婆nothing to lose，一般人顧慮太多，真係唔敢掂。
fibbi 發表於 2011-10-18 13:20

完全認同.
生活o係國內既同胞要生活o係顧慮中, 其實都幾辛苦的.

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