標題: Promotion without a raise [打印本頁] 作者: chobit 時間: 2011-11-15 17:43 標題: Promotion without a raise
I am facing a promotion without a raise.
I currently work as an IT Network & System Administrator for a non profit agency.
Since the last 1.5yr, my responsibility has increased greatly, that I have to do what I consider beyond the scoop of an IT Admin, but what you would expect for a IT Network Engineer + Manager.
So, I brought this up to my supervisor (Non IT), so that they can review my job, and the needs of the agency along with the possible adjustment with my pay in the future.
Today, I was presented with the following:
1> No pay raise is available at this time, and they think my pay is stil within reason.
2> My job title will change to IT Manager, yet being a manger I would be consider as exempt staff, exempt staff do not get pay for overtime when work over 40hrs.
I want to hear your opinions ... .作者: FiChai 時間: 2011-11-15 18:29
If you refuse to have the promotion, will they fire you?作者: tapioca 時間: 2011-11-15 18:31
so only change for promotion is better title but no OT pay? If this is the case I would prefer to stay with what you are now, unless you enjoy to have so-called "manager" title, Or look for another company which gives better offer.作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-11-15 18:43
stay put and keep banking on OT作者: Lik 時間: 2011-11-15 19:39
Are there any prospects of salary adjustment after you move up to managerial grade? Or, do you intend to jump ship and go work at a different company at a managerial level? If your answer is yes on either of these questions, you should definitely take up the managerial title. Even if you haven't thought about those, you could think about those possible routes now and see if that career path is what you want to pursue.
Since you are at a non-profit agency, your prospects of getting a higher salary is pretty low. If you have career ambitions, you'd really have to go elsewhere. In the US, especially, there is really no need for regular employees to feel any loyalty to the companies they work for. They are buying your talents to perform their business operations. It's a business exchange that doesn't really need any emotional attachments. Things might be a little different in a non-profit organization, and you'd have to consider how much you value the altruistic contributions your job gives you. But hey, if you end up getting a higher paid job, you could easily contribute those extra $$ back to whatever good causes you prefer.
On the other hand, if you are comfortable at where you are, and the lifestyle that your current job affords you, then sticking with the same title while collecting OT pay is the way to go.
Take the title. Keep in mind in these days, keeping a job is difficult let alone a raise. With a better title, you can jump to a better $ job in the future.作者: chobit 時間: 2011-11-15 21:51
Thanks for your feedbacks. There is no doubt I am attached to the agency emotionally. I will think it over tonight, and I am suppose to meet with my supervisor to talk about this in details tomorrow.作者: dmnf 時間: 2011-11-15 23:17
stay and get OT. IT manager without staff doesn't mean much. Job title is just a name. What matter the most is whether you have real management experience. If not, then who cares about the title.作者: Nam 時間: 2011-11-16 12:31
I would go for promotion without a raise because the title is so important in today job market, just get the title and experiences for now and move up in others company作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-11-16 15:44
I agree with dmnf. Who cares about the title if your pay doesn't match up. There are a lot of cases where people are just given inflated job titles with no real responsibilities.
And finding a job in today's market is VERY easy. There are millions of jobs that are unfilled. You just need to have the right skill set to match them.作者: hotaruu 時間: 2011-11-16 17:36
In an IT industry, I would suggest you to stay and get OT pay. I personally don't really look at the title of other people when I interview Software Engineers. All I care is what they have done in previous positions. If you can explain to your future interviewers that you are doing more than what you are ask to do, that's a plus.作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-11-17 13:49
titles are for people with no real skills, so they need something to dress them up作者: Nox 時間: 2011-11-23 21:31
Maybe just consider taking the title with no pay for now. The reason for that is to legitimately make your resume look nicer with that new title. Meanwhile, start looking for other job, start sending out resumes. I highly doubt that your employer would expect that you take the title with a smile but screw them afterwards.
With the new title, you can argue for better pay AND the title you deserve elsewhere.
example from ad agencies, if you are just a junior designer, even if you have the skills and experience, it's hard to ask your new employer to give you a higher position with better pay. But if you get raised to senior designer, you can back that with your portfolio and force your new employer to put you in the senior designer position. (They don't necessary have to know that you've been in the senior designer position for only a few months, all they usually check is that you indeed work at such and such location as such and such position, if it's real, it's good enough)
