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作者: AAC 時間: 2011-11-18 23:43 標題: 受僱攝影師，究竟是僱主還是僱員提供器材？

我鬼佬老闆人品唔錯，知道我工餘時喜愛攝影，為其他社區組織當義務大會攝影。所以要求我在工作時間內，幫他的客人拍攝商業照片作推廣用，但無話另加我allowance，因為他也沒有再多收客戶金錢。反正工作時間內賣身，又係自己興趣，我無所謂。
但問題出在：我拿出技術，但器材應否由我帶埋上班？我鬼佬老闆以前用不超過一千加幣以下的套裝單反連鏡替客影相，效果當然一般，當佢見到我的相片，令他滿意，所以搵我幫手，但他未有意識到，我用的單支鏡頭，都超過$1500 ! 加上全幅單反機，效果當然會比他的入門機會較理想。
我的問題是，似乎搬晒我的私伙野出來替他的客影相，唔係好合理，他的客戶，也不會為較好的照片質素加工錢，只係我老闆想打響名堂。如此情況下，我應該出聲叫老闆加添器材？(我又唔想俾佢知我有好多重型軍火，甚至講佢都唔明)，定係我只用一般器材(何能效果打折扣)就算呢？他聘請我時，都無提及要幫客拍照，而家情況好似幾尷尬。各位師兄，有何高見？
我仲想知：例如：一般報館的職業攝記或者婚照公司的僱員，他們的搵食架生係自己，定係報館？

作者: chobit 時間: 2011-11-19 07:18

I had to use my own cameras when I was hired as subcontract wedding photographer, but didn't mind it since I enjoy doing so. So, I think it depends on you.

作者: AAC 時間: 2011-11-19 10:46

本帖最後由 AAC 於 2011-11-19 10:50 編輯

如果我係師兄你，話明聘做subcontract wedding photographer，當然會出堅料，問題係小弟的職位唔係 full time photographer。即如拍室內情景，一支機頂燈又得，兩支無線飛燈就更好，但老闆同客唔會因為多了一支燈，再加 pocket wizard，燈袈，reflector等等而多付錢去支付額外的設備和心血；又假如第一次落重料，無向老闆提要求補助(或者問都無)的話，佢地就會期待你以後都會咁大贈送，點樣去平衡？

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-11-19 11:00

大哥，要堅持say no。

作者: MoiRhapsody 時間: 2011-11-19 11:02

係鬼佬你就唔怕開心見誠講，器材都係一種投資，現在你要用我既投資黎賺取回報，咁緊係要有啲代價。

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-11-19 11:12

I think you should claim some allowance for your equipment at an hourly rate or daily rate basis (just like you can claim gas expense for business purpose)...

Your boss will deal with the expense reimbursement with the client. It should be fine if you are not charging them at a ridiculous rate...

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-11-19 12:53

Since you have a Caucasian boss, I think it would be far easier and more acceptable to just lay out the facts in front of him, and let him decide. Be open and tell him that there is a difference between the level of equipment you have on your own, and what he uses, but don't make it sound like you are bragging. You might even want to do a quick test shot session and show him the difference between, let's say, 3 different set ups:

1) full lights + good lens + good body
2) good lens + good body
3) his consumer grade stuff

and have him see for himself and decide. If you are not doing a lot of this photography work, I wouldn't mind using my own body and 1 good lens. But if he wants any thing more than that, it is only fair that he compensates you for the equipment you brought.

The most important thing is, show him the options and let him be the judge to decide how much quality he wants.

-Lik

作者: rockypath 時間: 2011-11-19 13:27

本帖最後由 rockypath 於 2011-11-19 13:30 編輯

回復 1# AAC

Why don't you just use the equipment provided by your boss? It is very reasonable and you have no fault at all to use company resources to serve the customers of the company. Ultimately, your boss should be the one cares about the quality the most since it is for his customers. When he raises the concerns about the quality (not as good as using your own lens and camera), then you can explain the reasons and it would be easier to negotiate a deal.

Don't expect Caucasian is easier to deal with and you should still handle the case carefully and properly. You don't want to upset your boss unnecessarily even though the task is not in your job description.

P.S. Once you start using your own equipment before have a talk with your boss, I believe your boss will expect you would continue to use your equipment for the job and it is very difficult to roll back without upsetting him/her.

作者: AAC 時間: 2011-11-19 13:27

我知點做啦，多謝提點。我都係希望大家兩無拖欠，唔想雙方都以為do 對方一個favor。
題外話，受僱攝記係自己架生，定係報館提供？我多次見過本地攝記，拿部高級些的傻瓜機就算，但係香港攝記，就用晒專業級。可能此中有些制度問題。

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-11-19 13:31

I've seen the local Ming Pao and Singtao reporters at work before a couple of times, and they were both carrying good cameras / lenses ga wor? I specifically remember one of them (don't remember which one) was using a Canon wide angle L lense (has the red ring in front).

-Lik

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2011-11-19 16:44

If it is people photography, tell the boss to spend a $100 to get a 50mm 1.8. Find a location with good light. Problem solved.

At ISO 100, all modern Dslr are pretty much the same, given you have control over where/when you can shoot lor.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-11-19 19:27

don't be so cheap

you already have the gears
and you don't lose anything when you use them

you can argue there's a bit of usage but it's so minimal

作者: AAC 時間: 2011-11-19 22:35

don't be so cheap

you already have the gears
and you don't lose anything when you use them

you can ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2011/11/19 19:27

I like this.

作者: FiChai 時間: 2011-11-20 00:24

You can do volunteer work for charity or community organizations for free because they don't actually make monies. Ask yourself if you would do free work for any commercial company for they use your work and equipment to make monies. To me, on top of the camera equipment I am going to use, my time and labor and talent is being used too, I don't think I should deserve nothing, especially talking in commercial industry. That means, even I only use my iphone to shoot, I should still get a pay. Make sense?

作者: Catpiano 時間: 2011-11-20 16:15

Of course your own camera gear....( unless special arrange )

Doesn't matter $1k or 10k body....unless you go mf, not much diff in general....

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-11-20 17:44

You can do volunteer work for charity or community organizations for free because they don't actuall ...
FiChai 發表於 2011/11/20 00:24

AAC is getting paid. He/she is getting a salary. You can argue it's not part of the original responsibilities, but hey this happens to everyone where we just get work that we didn't really expect to do.

If AAC doesn't like it he/she can always find another job.

作者: FiChai 時間: 2011-11-20 23:40

AAC is getting paid. He/she is getting a salary. You can argue it's not part of the original res ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2011-11-20 17:44

If he is very willing to do so without a second thought, he wouldn't have to post it here to ask for opinions.

Yeah, since you get paid, your lovely boss may ask you to feed his meter, buy him coffee, pick his kids up at kindergarten, and clean his toilet bowl at home. If you are ok with that, of course there is nothing wrong.

作者: lo_pak 時間: 2011-11-20 23:47

Stay simple, it worths asking in the first hand...

作者: Lik 時間: 2011-11-21 00:04

If he is very willing to do so without a second thought, he wouldn't have to post it here to ask for opinions.
FiChai 發表於 2011-11-20 23:40

Job description changes all the time. My guess is that AAC doesn't mind taking the pictures since that can easily be considered as part of his work. The focus of his question is whether he should volunteer his own equipment, and if so, whether he should charge for it.

If my current wage is a lot higher than the pantry coffee brewer, a 保母車 driver, and a janitor, I wouldn't mind doing any of those services for my boss ga~

-Lik

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2011-11-21 10:29

Yeah, since you get paid, your lovely boss may ask you to feed his meter, buy him coffee, pick his kids up at kindergarten, and clean his toilet bowl at home. If you are ok with that, of course there is nothing wrong.FiChai 發表於 2011/11/20 23:40

oh ya
buying coffee is a lot easier than doing the stuff i am doing
so i would love to do that for the same salary

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2011-11-21 10:41

"幫他的客人拍攝商業照片作推廣用"

just wonder what kinda 商業照片 are you taking for him.

作者: ricrick 時間: 2011-11-21 12:56

本帖最後由 ricrick 於 2011-11-21 13:01 編輯

我知點做啦，多謝提點。我都係希望大家兩無拖欠，唔想雙方都以為do 對方一個favor。
題外話，受僱攝記係自 ...
AAC 發表於 2011-11-19 13:27

報館有文字記者 and 攝影記者，文字記者吾一定識用相機
呢到中文報紙大多是文字記者用傻瓜機就算。相通常是向自由攝影記者買，自由攝影記者當然用是自己架生

作者: FiChai 時間: 2011-11-21 15:09

Actually it's a quite interesting matter to discuss. I can say it's about "self esteem" VS "cost of money". For example, to buy coffee and feed the meter for your boss, you have nothing to lose in terms of money (provided that your boss pays you the needed spare changes), but see if your self esteem allows you to do it comfortably. However, using your own camera equipment and shooting skills to work for a free job but actually your boss might get money return in his own pocket (not yours), and your gear might be put at risk on your own too, consider that any unexpected accident and failure may happen. But in return, you may feel proud because your gear and talent is admired by someone. There is no right or wrong, just depends on what type of person you are.

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2011-11-21 15:36

One time thing i'd do it. Knowing that there's going to be wear and tear and other risk to your gear, and those will not ge reimbursed. Make it clear also.

If you/ur boss is thinking that this is going to be regular and recurring going forward, definately make everything strict and clear. Something along the line of equipment rental to the company, but only for your work use at the requested times. And that the company have liability in case of any accidents, etc.

作者: molamola 時間: 2011-11-21 23:07

if i were you.. i wont use my gear period.
if u ask for reimbursement, what is the fair value? that just complicates the matter.

i dont know if u offered to use your own gear at the first place or he asked, if u offered.. i think you are inviting trouble for yourself.

作者: AAC 時間: 2011-11-23 23:42

睇完咁多高見，總結如下：其實我唔係斤斤計較，反正有糧出，做番自己有興趣的，更爽。只不過入職時無提及要代客拍照，而想問清楚是否自己出架生。
舉個例：老闆叫我送十袋水泥俾客，如果用佢部corolla，可能好吃力，佢見我開pickup番工，就用我部車，fine，我無問題，但我私人其實仲有大truck，又有forklift，對送水泥的效率有幫助，雖然會係overkill；但係今次免費出大truck，下回老闆會以為我自動獻身，有架大車，下次叫我送100包，咁咪好麻煩？

作者: BiscottiGelato 時間: 2011-11-25 10:46

回復 26# AAC

No. If you drive your car for work purposes, you definatley should get reimbursement on gas/wear & tear, etc. I always do, along with parking and all the other fees. Same thing for cameras.

作者: siumaibb 時間: 2011-11-25 11:08

1) 你同老細交情好好？
Y -> (A) ; N ->(2)

2) 以後仲有大把呢d相影？
Y -> (3) ; N -> (B)

3) 你老細對呢輯相既要求好低？
Y -> (E) ; N -> (4)

4) 輯相既用途係商業，老細有著數？
Y -> (C) ; N -> (5)

5) 輯相既用途係商業，個客有著數？
Y -> (D) ; N -> (E)

A) 出私伙，老細叫到，一定拍心口支持。
B) 出私伙，不過只此一次，下不為例。
C) 出私伙，數還數，路還路，收返佢錢。
D) 用公司野，但係叫老闆加料。
E) 用公司野，求其影算。

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