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作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-28 10:00 標題: Guadalajara

Second trip to Mexico in just over 3 months

These two shot with Leica M6 Classic Titanium finish with matching 35mm Summilux pre-asph Titanium made in Germany on slightly dated Kodak Plus-X film.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-28 23:09

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-29 00:32

作者: librazhy 時間: 2012-3-29 11:24

the pictures refreshes my memories from the 1980s of HK.

one of my friend is from guatemala, he said that coffee over there is alot cheaper than vancouver.

curious, did you visit/take pictures in guatemala?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-29 12:49

Guatemala? I've never been. I've never been to South or Central America.

Cuba is next up on my list for this summer, before I spend a couple years in Asia traveling.

Mexico is magic. I love the places and the people. I will go back at least once a year.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-29 23:12

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-30 00:44

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-30 09:26

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You also speak Mexican? Good stuff.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-30 10:00

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You also speak Mexican? Good stuff.
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012/3/30 09:26

Mexican is not a language :-)

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-3-30 10:07

I slept with Mexican men. And He never told me that.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-30 23:09

作者: chobit 時間: 2012-3-31 00:30

From my Beijing Trip.

作者: chobit 時間: 2012-3-31 00:34

Forgot that I should post this on another thread. Sorry

From my Beijing Trip.
chobit 發表於 2012-3-31 00:30

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-3-31 23:31

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-1 21:11

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-1 23:06

作者: chobit 時間: 2012-4-2 14:33

Since you post only a few selected picture at a time. I would like to know if you have selected this picture for a reason? Or the story behind it?

快樂牛郎發表於 2012-4-1 23:06

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-2 15:46

Since you post only a few selected picture at a time. I would like to know if you have selected thi ...
chobit 發表於 2012/4/2 14:33

chobit, the ones I posted are pretty much all the ones I took. I only threw out a few duplicates or incorrect exposures. My main interest is street portraits so I didn't take any landscape or food or other "normal" travel photos that you usually see.

The only type of photos I took are ones where I talked to the subjects and take their portraits.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-2 15:47

I have back stories for most of the shots but I don't know if any one would be interested to know.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-2 15:54

You can also describe my style as "newspaper" shots. They are pretty much the type of stuff you see in the daily newspaper.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-2 19:10

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-2 21:58

作者: chobit 時間: 2012-4-2 22:37

Don't take it offensively. I have seen your other pictures posted in the past that are pretty good.

But with this particular picture. It just doesn't look right. The looks to be a underexpose photo taken with a camera phone, with little composition, nor any emotion expression.

From the other post, Your comments suggest to me that you are fairly experience with street photography, so I am actually expecting to see better picture from you.

chobit, the ones I posted are pretty much all the ones I took. I only threw out a few duplicates o ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-4-2 15:46

作者: imvitasoy 時間: 2012-4-2 23:01

本帖最後由 imvitasoy 於 2012-4-2 23:03 編輯

吓！用graph 來睇over /under ？

呢張相，在下點睇, 都覺得係正品.
茂計，禾唔塞野....

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-2 23:25

Don't take it offensively. I have seen your other pictures posted in the past that are pretty good. ...
chobit 發表於 2012/4/2 22:37

A few things here to explain:

1) I already said that my type of photography is more like street portraits or documentary, not the modern definition of street photography. In the other thread I explained why I am not so interested in street photography.

2) I have a lot of experience in taking street portraits. I can easily break through barriers with strangers and take photos of them. Many people feel intimidated approaching strangers so they end up taking a photo from far away or take a crappy candid. Some of them even get a nasty encounter afterwards. For myself, my subjects usually appreciate that I take their photos. They are most of the time very happy.

3) I have posted almost 15 photos here. I don't know why you picked only one to comment on, with no mention of the others.

4) The right side of the baby's face plus part of his jacket is close to the tipping point of being blown out. This was shot on Sensia 100 E6 film. You can try exposing for another 1/3 of a stop but I assure you that another 1/2 of a stop would result in lost details on the baby's face.

5) Some of my viewers really like the dad's and the baby's expressions. They might look uninteresting to you but no single photo invokes the same feelings among all viewers. That's the primary reason why I am showing my entire work rather than just a selected few because different people have different opinions.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-2 23:27

作者: imvitasoy 時間: 2012-4-2 23:30

本帖最後由 imvitasoy 於 2012-4-2 23:33 編輯

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呢張太flat 啦....
你用歐鏡影出來，在下睇到都唔信。感覺似canon.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-2 23:32

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呢張太flat 啦....
imvitasoy 發表於 2012/4/2 23:30

ya, but that's how light is inside a tent/booth.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-2 23:34

One more thing, I don't see my shots as individual pieces of work. I don't even use the word composition anymore. I tend to use the phrase visual language instead. What I am showing here is a general approach or visual language. The photos might feature different subjects but the technique and approach are largely the same.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-2 23:49

本帖最後由快樂牛郎於 2012-4-2 23:50 編輯

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呢張太flat 啦....
你用歐鏡影出來，在下睇到都唔信。感覺似canon. ...
imvitasoy 發表於 2012/4/2 23:30

This one was shot with a $400 fuji 6 by 4.5 medium format point and shoot.
The lens is a Fujinon made in japan lens.

as for contrast
Portra NC is known for flat/low contrast. I chose this film because it was a bright day but this shot happened to be taken inside a tent. Obviously it wasn't practical to change film/camera on the spot.

作者: imvitasoy 時間: 2012-4-2 23:58

Bingo ! 咁都比在下撞中，果然係日鏡！

In fact I didnt look at your contrast, and your film type was not any concern to me at all.
I felt it was like Canon (literally, I meant any jap lens) simply because the entire 白位 was a little greyish, which is common to almost 99.9999999% of japanese lenses.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-3 00:10

Bingo ! 咁都比在下撞中，果然係日鏡！

In fact I didnt look at your contrast, and your fil ...
imvitasoy 發表於 2012/4/2 23:58

haha you can see a lot of things that I can't. I chose this camera for the size and the format. The lens is nowhere near my Leica but it's such a nice little camera for such a large piece of film.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-3 00:18

Bingo ! 咁都比在下撞中，果然係日鏡！

In fact I didnt look at your contrast, and your fil ...
imvitasoy 發表於 2012/4/2 23:58

so do you have a favorite lens? or multiple favorite lenses?

作者: imvitasoy 時間: 2012-4-3 01:04

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在下一向物慾太多現金太少....favorite lens 亦隨時改變。

暫時渴望擁有的，包括 :
一部 fujifilm xpro 1,
一支 K仔 50 及 75
一支cooke 仔 (任何都得，試下而已)
一部 suzuki sx4 ( civic coupe  都OK)

不過，最重要，仍然是.....身體健康....

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-4-3 08:46

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chobit:
Not all photos need to be in a bell curve shape. In fact, photos with bell shape are *usually* boring.  If this photo is a bell shape, it will be very overexposed. That's why most photos taken with auto exposure look bad as the camera tries to protect highlights and everything into a bell shape.

This picture has a good exposure.  The baby and father is at the entery of store front, therefore closer to the light.  Your are an engineer, you must understand better the inverse square law than most of us here.  The light difference between the background and the subject makes the subjects pop more. Cowboy made a decision to expo for the baby, and let the background darker to draw viewers eye to the subject.

That's the reason photography lesson no. 1 is "White on White, Black on Black, White on Black and Black on White.

That's also why I don't care much for the matrix exposure or auto exposure on cameras,  it is hard to program aesthetics into cameras.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-3 08:53

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chobit:
Not all photos need to be in a bell curve shape. In fact, photos with bell  ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012/4/3 08:46

I have learned not to trust any meter or auto exposure on my cameras. A tiny ambient meter in your palm beats any on camera meter you can have. The only time I would use auto exposure is when I use a TTL flash.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-4-3 09:08

This image here is so ironic of the current China. The young man with a quintessential Chinese face performs miracle on the dough, and yet he is uninterested in the show, and so mechanical he is barely alive. The shutter speed/ light on the subject also help to tell the story.

It is my version of China, entire country is a Foxconn factory. It is the sort of photos in National Geographic.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-3 09:32

This image here is so ironic of the current China. The young man with a quintessential Chinese fa ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012/4/3 09:08

I agree with your comments but the visual language or presentation is not in line with National Geographics. When I think of National Geographics, I think of intense vibrant colors and the photos are shot in an editorial way.

This photo, along with many of other chobit's photos, belong to the category of commercial photography which you often see in magazines like Travelers, Seattle Met, Business week, etc.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-4-3 09:45

"I think of intense vibrant colors and the photos are shot in an editorial way."
No, useless you think working in Foxconn is a vibrant thing.

It is even better if the photo has the florescent green cast. ie, not so white balanced corrected.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-3 09:51

"I think of intense vibrant colors and the photos are shot in an editorial way."
No, useless you thi ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012/4/3 09:45

If it was a feature on Foxconn, the shot would probably be an overhead shot with probably thousands of workers below all performing the same task with front to back sharpness on a large format camera. Basically, the editorial shots in National Geographics are the ones that you could see hanging in a gallery.

Again, I agree with all of your observations about this photo. But to say that it can be featured on the front page of National Geographics is just over the board.

作者: chobit 時間: 2012-4-4 01:00

本帖最後由 chobit 於 2012-4-4 01:14 編輯

I had been alittle too busy to post until now.

Regards to what I try to explain on previous post about exposure, I'll use the following example to clarify my point.

The box is the subject aim for getting the correct exposure.

Amoung the 3 picture.  We have Normal, Under and Before correction.

Normal is correction exposure with any photoshop adjustment to bright it up.
Before correction is under-expose, and need correction
Under is the Before correct photo being corrected.

With the under-expose exposure corrected to the same level as the properly exposed image.  You can see the dark underexplose area simply don't have the same details as the properly exposed photo.  And under-expose image that's being corrected tend to be very contrasty as well.  That's what I see in HappyCow.

So, what I see on HappyCow's photo is the background has very little shadow details, the highlight are very contrastly.  It's look like a underexpose image that's digitally corrected.  I would have expect the person's face would show a little more level of shades..

I know I am not doing a good job to explain this, but hope someone still understand what I am trying to say

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chobit:
Not all photos need to be in a bell curve shape. In fact, photos with bell  ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-4-3 08:46

作者: chobit 時間: 2012-4-4 01:28

This may be a better example. A real photo of my son =D

Using the Original photo. I lower the mid tone of the image, then rebalance the brightness just like how you normally need to do to correct an underexposed image.

You can see how the background no longer have as much details, and the face has much higher contrast in it as well.

作者: chobit 時間: 2012-4-4 01:33

I selected that photo, because it's color while most of you other photos are b&w.

A few things here to explain:

1) I already said that my type of photography is more like street p ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-4-2 23:25

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-4 01:39

I don't really follow what you said about digital processing because I don't do any of that, but the shot was captured on E6 which has only about 4 stops latitude and the rapid fall off and lack of shadow detail are characteristics of slide film. Similarly, slides also have much higher contrast than negative film, although Sensia is already one of the lowest contrast slides available.

作者: chobit 時間: 2012-4-4 01:40

Sure, I know what you mean, belt curve is just a general guideline.

Here is my example of something that's not belt like

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chobit:
Not all photos need to be in a bell curve shape. In fact, photos with bell  ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-4-3 08:46

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-4 01:41

And if you look at the two shots that follow that one, they have the same rapid fall off. Don't tell me that I underexposed in all 3 shots.

作者: chobit 時間: 2012-4-4 01:55

I hear you.  I didn't know it was film when I first made the original comment on your photo.  Yet, I had my good share shooting films for years ages ago as well.

In the good old days, I learn to select the type of film to shoot the type of shooting I do.  Using slide with minimal latitude and high contrast for an image where the background is in shadow area, where your 2 main subject, the man and the baby also have a good level exposure diff.  it just wasn't a lighting condition suitable for the film you had at the time.  If this is in a wedding, it would have been a complete failure.  Some type of fill flash or reflector woud be needed, unless I can made my subject move to a lower contrast area.
Yet, I knw this is no wedding, and you as a photographer is the judge of what you want.

I think it just isn't my cup of tea.  Photography is an art, so I respect what you choose.  So, let me apologize.

The weather is getting warmer, and I am so looking forward to do tons of non work related photography.  So, let's us all have some fun this up coming summer =D

I don't really follow what you said about digital processing because I don't do any of that, but the ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-4-4 01:39

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-4 02:11

I hear you. I didn't know it was film when I first made the original comment on your photo. Yet, I ...
chobit 發表於 2012/4/4 01:55

That's right. If I were doing a specific shoot, I would choose the film that suits the lighting and the weather the most. But when you travel, it's not possible to pick a single film that would look best in all situations across multiple days. I happen to like the way slides look during daylight with deep shadows, but I understand not everyone has the same feeling towards it.

A recent trend in street photography is to capture scenes that have extremely high contrast. I am not a huge fan of that but it's something to be aware of.

作者: chobit 時間: 2012-4-4 02:21

Speaking of films. You got me all excited. Not that I plan to shoot a roll or 2 yet.. but decided to take picture of the 2 roll of films I set aside in the drawer.

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作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-4 07:18

Speaking of films. You got me all excited. Not that I plan to shoot a roll or 2 yet.. but decided ...
chobit 發表於 2012/4/4 02:21

haha
Astia 100 is awesome

better shoot it now or it becomes LOMO

my entire freezer is now dedicated to film
no more meat

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-4-4 08:40

"for an image where the background is in shadow area, where your 2 main subject, the man and the baby also have a good level exposure diff."

I think the exposure diff is more due to skin tones, the baby just has lighter skin from I can see. You can't have a black background in weddings? I am not getting this one.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-4-4 08:44

This may be a better example. A real photo of my son =D

Using the Original photo. I lower the mid ...
chobit 發表於 2012-4-4 01:28

I like the original more for this one.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-4-4 09:00

本帖最後由 Look4chrisng 於 2012-4-4 09:02 編輯

http://blog.jeffascough.com/.a/6 ... 3916dcfb7970b-550w

http://blog.jeffascough.com/.a/6a01156f7d083a970c0167627fb5f8970b-pi

Ascough's images trend to have a very heavy processed look, but he does give good example how to work the light.

I don't see high contrast light/dark background is a failure.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-4 09:32

Ascough's images trend to have a very heavy processed look, but he does give good example how t ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012/4/4 09:00

I think by failure he meant that it's not the typical look that your client might be looking for. Deep shadow / high contrast look is an acquired taste, so to speak. Not everyone has the same preference. For paid assignments, all it matters is what your client wants.

作者: Look4chrisng 時間: 2012-4-4 09:52

Guess people paid for photography doesn't seem to have same taste as photographers.

Wife just spent $40 to buy kid's school photos. 2 hard/front light (don't know it actually give any exposure value except to give 2 catch lights on each eye), soft, flat, bad color, printed at bestbuy. But mom thinks they are the best pictures ever.

Most of the thing we care is bs. I think I just quite photography.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-4 10:07

Guess people paid for photography doesn't seem to have same taste as photographers.

Wife just spent ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012/4/4 09:52

Let's say that people who get paid for photography do not necessarily produce the best products. However, they are successful because they produce stuff that their clients are happy about.

I don't do paid assignments so this is irrelevant to me.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-4 10:11

My motivation is to do something that's different from what others do but at the same time appeals to me personally.

Take the comicon convention for example. There were probably 200 photographers there? But I didn't see anyone who worked the same way as I did.

作者: chobit 時間: 2012-4-4 12:43

I try not to say more, as I understand happycow is shooting film and this is what he wants I think it's all good =D What fun it is if we take picture for what people like, instead of what we like.

Yet, isn't that fun to have some meaningful photography discussion on LYK from time to time =P

"for an image where the background is in shadow area, where your 2 main subject, the man and the bab ...
Look4chrisng 發表於 2012-4-4 08:40

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-4 12:49

Yet, isn't that fun to have some meaningful photography discussion on LYK from time to time =P
chobit 發表於 2012/4/4 12:43

I stopped posting for a while due to the lack of participation. But now I see that things are heating up, so I will consider posting more.

作者: chobit 時間: 2012-4-4 15:09

Sweet..!
I stopped doing wedding starting last year, and sold my 2 DSLR and waited for the 5dm3. I can finally go out and shoot again freely. Provided that I don't have to spend all my time with my kids. =P

I stopped posting for a while due to the lack of participation. But now I see that things are heat ...
快樂牛郎發表於 2012-4-4 12:49

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-4 15:35

Sweet..!
I stopped doing wedding starting last year, and sold my 2 DSLR and waited for the 5dm3. I ...
chobit 發表於 2012/4/4 15:09

I am actually doing more "assignments" these days. No paid work, but just exchanging ideas and having fun.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-7 01:12

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-9 23:31

My king of bokeh

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-10 00:10

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-16 22:26

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-16 22:46

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-18 00:44

Digital can't come even close to Plus-X. It can kiss my ass.

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-19 22:49

作者: imvitasoy 時間: 2012-4-21 09:21

本帖最後由 imvitasoy 於 2012-4-21 09:32 編輯

......Digital can't come even close to Plus-X. It can kiss my ass......

(1)  With the right softwares, digital can't be too crummy these days. Digital surely beats analogue on 乾淨感.  Whether you like it or not is next issue.
(2)  Viewing scanned film images on monitors and thus concluding superiority of film is nothing more than joking.
(2)  If you're talking about printing on papers,  have you tried Italian Lambda ?

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-21 09:59

(1) With the right softwares, digital can't be too crummy these days. Digital surely beats analogue on 乾淨感. Whether you like it or not is next issue.
(2) Viewing scanned film images on monitors and thus concluding superiority of film is nothing more than joking.
imvitasoy 發表於 2012/4/21 09:21

Ya, digital is definitely 乾淨, which I hate a lot. So if you then introduce grain and noise in post processing, it becomes artificial.

Maybe my b&w digital processing skill really sucks, but I haven't see many low contrast digital b&w that doesn't suck. Digital b&w looks good with high contrast treatments though.

作者: imvitasoy 時間: 2012-4-21 10:16

Agreed that BW digital is weaker in low contrast, probably due to the lack of d-range.
小小個人體會：Get rid of Photoshop if you are not 搵食。PS 太過工業化, 搵食無得頂，用來玩就唔夠其他Phase 1 之類的好玩。開個Raw，PS 直頭一塌糊塗。

作者: chobit 時間: 2012-4-23 22:17

Some of the people in this picture looks a little like copy and paste..? Anyone else feels that way too??

快樂牛郎發表於 2012-4-19 22:49

作者: 快樂牛郎 時間: 2012-4-23 22:20

Some of the people in this picture looks a little like copy and paste..? Anyone else feels that way ...
chobit 發表於 2012/4/23 22:17

yes
everybody feels the same
that's why it's a funny photo to look at

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