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標題: 甘泉航空李卓民牧師見證神對香港人的愛 [打印本頁]
作者: kipposhi    時間: 2008-4-9 09:48     標題: 甘泉航空李卓民牧師見證神對香港人的愛

香港葛福臨佈道大會於6月8日的籌款會上，甘泉航空創辦人李卓民牧師分享，見證神如何帶領他開始航空公司，並透過他的工作為他人帶來祝福。以下是他的見證。

「我出生於富裕的家庭，父母送我到美國留學時，其實我沒有興趣做生意, 因為我看見了財富越多，越會導致人與人之間的猜忌和仇恨。如果我要成為愛神的人，我就不可以成為金錢的奴隸，我要奉獻一生給神。」

畢業後，他在波士頓的一間華人教會牧會10年，也在基督教的大學裏當過教授和院牧，接著有9年時間從事柬埔寨難民宣教工作，前後和師母當傳道人共27年之久。

「我們熱愛青年人事工。我們曾經幫助一個柬埔寨青年人回轉。他很窮，家也很小。我們一次幫他搬家時，發現他床底下有好多馬標。那一幕我很深刻：這個弟兄已經立志信耶穌，也洗了禮，並離開了幫派。但因為只有一年幼稚園及小一的教育基礎，找不了工作。為了要脫窮，他就把希望都寄託在這些馬標投注上。

我看見很多已經離開幫派的青少年都重返舊路。因為他們實在找不到工作，回去賣毒品還可以賺到一點錢來維持生活。我想這絶對不是神的心意，神愛我們，神要我們經歷祂無比的大愛。如果我們教會今天連這樣的一個年青有為的柬埔寨少年人也幫助不了，我們怎麼可以幫助许多有需要的人？我知道神不會讓祂的羊走迷的，因為祂愛世人，而且祂叫每個立志跟從祂的傳道人都能成為流通的管子。」

所以在神的恩手帶領下李牧師在95年，在美國開始了甘泉地產公司，為年青人提供就業機會，也帶來了一個城市的更新。「當時很多人質疑我們既缺乏經驗，又堅持以聖經原則來經營公司，而且聘請的都是來自幫派的低學歷的青年人，當中有很多是還沒有改變過來的，那我們憑什麼可以成，他們都拭目以待，等著看我們關門。」但最後他們的地產公司卻成為很多人羨慕的公司。

「在神的帶領下，我們領悟了一套新的經營哲學。過去15年來，我們平均每年回報率均逹30％以上，不單公司有營利回報，我們還見證了很多青年人成長和改變，成為熱心愛主的人。我們也見證了一座快要沒落的城市起死回生。」李牧師見證說，「耶和華說：不是依靠勢力，不是依靠才能，乃是靠神的靈方能成事。」

前幾年，李牧師成立了甘泉航空公司，希望抱著基督捨已為人的犧牲精神，通過價錢低廉的機票，促進香港和對外的交通，打破人與人、國與國之間的障礙。

「希望香港能成為萬國的祝福，神要祝福香港人：聰明的香港人、勤奮努力的香港人，也要興起香港人成萬國萬民的祝福。」

Source:  http://www.gospelherald.com/temp ... ode=min&id=8090
作者: shutterbug    時間: 2008-4-9 11:52

I don't see any specific case of 神對香港人的愛 in this article wor???

Having a pastor running a econ airline biz = 神對香港人的愛?
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-4-9 12:00

Huh?! Why use high profile to advertise his God like that? If his God's love is enough, he didn't even need to charge for a penny but offer free tickets tim la. And then, would that means his God's love comes to an end today and so the company has to close down? He put his God on the table and made Him even worse impression to other people lor. He shouldn't had mentioned his God should be better!
作者: 大檸樂    時間: 2008-4-9 12:40

返去做牧師啦, 學咩人開航空公司  sosad
作者: katamari    時間: 2008-4-9 12:51

what I just saw is this pastor/businessman is putting his god on the table too. No wonder oasis didn't do well, no one will use 基督捨已為人的犧牲精神 to run a business, haha oasis is having a 1 billion debt, and so many people bought the tickets and all of a sudden telling them we are closing,  犧牲的人唔好忘記仲有債主 and 乘客 lor陰公.

[ 本帖最後由 katamari 於 2008-4-9 12:52 編輯 ]
作者: katamari    時間: 2008-4-9 12:54

The most funniest thing is, this post is under 奇趣轉載, this pastor is really 奇趣!
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-4-9 14:07

No such a big head don't put on such a big hat la! 犧牲精神? He did! He really 犧牲 3 萬 名 已 訂 購 甘 泉 機 票 的 乘 客, and 700 多 名 員 工, especially 75 名 身 在 外 地 的 機 組 人 員!
作者: LOK    時間: 2008-4-9 14:23

I see this the other way around.

He gave millions of people cheap 機 票 for two yrs, he gave 700 多 名 員 工 two yrs employment.  He told us that the 機 票 don't have to be expensive like before.  However, the bigger companies willing to "kill" the small company by losing money.  
Remember Arco gas stations? All other gas stations kill them by losing money too... I wish Arco come back, then today's gas won't be 125.3
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-4-9 14:40

Even you said so, what's the point to 犧牲 some people in order to make some other people happy? Compare to a firefighter won't (and not trained to) 犧牲 himself just to save one's life. Of course, if that pastor feels like to, he can only 犧牲 himself from the start till the end in order to make everyone happy (including his God)! (in terms of money not life)
作者: 大檸樂    時間: 2008-4-9 14:55

原帖由 LOK 於 2008-4-9 14:23 發表
I see this the other way around.

He gave millions of people cheap 機 票 for two yrs, he gave 700 多 名 員 工 two yrs employment.  He told us that the 機 票 don't have to be expensive like before.  Ho ...


Oasis俾左錢你呀?
作者: LOK    時間: 2008-4-9 14:59

原帖由 大檸樂 於 2008-4-9 14:55 發表


Oasis俾左錢你呀?

No, just because I never take Oasis, and didn't book any tickets at this moment too, I don't hate them.
作者: 大檸樂    時間: 2008-4-9 15:02

原帖由 LOK 於 2008-4-9 14:59 發表

No, just because I never take Oasis, and didn't book any tickets at this moment too, I don't hate them.


咁你應該知點解有人咁僧佢啦
作者: LOK    時間: 2008-4-9 15:16

有公司想倒閉既?!

點解冇人話D大公司整死佢?

真係一沈百踩!
作者: 大檸樂    時間: 2008-4-9 15:19

你都識講, 你無買機票, 所以你唔僧佢..

消費者理得佢點死, 佢地淨係想自己無損失
作者: LOK    時間: 2008-4-9 15:29

原帖由 大檸樂 於 2008-4-9 15:19 發表
你都識講, 你無買機票, 所以你唔僧佢..

消費者理得佢點死, 佢地淨係想自己無損失

agree! 人係自私既! but you think who lost the most?
作者: 大檸樂    時間: 2008-4-9 15:31

原帖由 LOK 於 2008-4-9 15:29 發表

agree! 人係自私既! but you think who lost the most?


我覺得都係d消費者
因為個牧師起碼有得過, 先有失.
反而d消費者, 俾左錢, 但係無得搭, 佢地先係受害者
作者: daimo    時間: 2008-4-9 15:35

原帖由 大檸樂 於 2008-4-9 15:31 發表


因為個牧師起碼有得過 ...


What did he "得" in the whole venture?
作者: 大檸樂    時間: 2008-4-9 16:01

原帖由 daimo 於 2008-4-9 15:35 發表


What did he "得" in the whole venture?


佢得到間航空公司, 跟住無埋
作者: superberry    時間: 2008-4-9 21:50

依家好似係佢犧牲自己副身家同買左機票的人, and 七百個員工的生計去換一年半平機票......... 值mei? In what way 佢將顯到基督的大能? 有幾多人因為, "啊, 我慳左幾千蚊, 我要決志信主?" At least I wouldn't lor......... 如果佢有良心的, 就唔應該最後一刻明知會執粒都賣機票, 攪到 75 名員工流落異鄉, 大量旅客返唔到屋企, 要 Cathay and other airline 執手尾! Not to mention him as a Christian and a pastor, as a responsible company owner, he should try his best to make sure his customers and employees are well taken care of before he shut down his company!

[ 本帖最後由 superberry 於 2008-4-9 21:52 編輯 ]
作者: sonson411    時間: 2008-4-12 07:49

原帖由 kipposhi 於 2008-4-9 09:48 發表
香港葛福臨佈道大會於6月8日的籌款會上，甘泉航空創辦人李卓民牧師分享，見證神如何帶領他開始航空公司，並透過他的工作為他人帶來祝福


now Oasis has "collected skin"... so is this article somewhat implying that god has "collected Hong Kong people's skin"??
作者: rockypath    時間: 2008-4-12 10:15

I don't think we should deny all his vision and effort when he set up the company. I believe everyone cheered to have a new compeitor to drive down the ticket price when Oasis established. If the business succeeds, he will be praised as an hero or legend. On the other hand, he will be condemned when the business callapses. This is 勝者為王，敗者為寇。I am sad to see it didn't make it through and worry how much I have to pay when I flight back to Hong Kong next time. Don't upset at me, I didn't work for Oasis.

Of course, I would want to see Oasis can take care of people who bought its tickets. A few my co-worker had booked ticket from Oasis. I almost bought one as well but changed my mind in the last minute. luchy me.
作者: Ultraman    時間: 2008-4-12 21:32

原帖由 LOK 於 2008-4-9 15:29 發表

agree! 人係自私既! but you think who lost the most?

To be honest, I still think customers lost the most. Why? It's not only calculate for every dollar lost (in that case of course individual customer may only got a few hundreds or +/- thousand, which is a lot less than the company owner). However, the company owner(s) knew what's going on behind and decided to close down the business, they are prepared (or well prepared) for the whole progress. But the customers didn't expect they can't fly all of a sudden, and they might not able to find a substitute airline to fly in time for critical matters! How to count those non-money related lost?
作者: chunsh    時間: 2008-4-14 17:27

原帖由 Ultraman 於 2008-4-12 21:32 發表

To be honest, I still think customers lost the most. Why? It's not only calculate for every dollar lost (in that case of course individual customer may only got a few hundreds or +/- thousand, which  ...


you have to ask god
cos 李卓民牧師 said its the god who bring this service to us
The reason why I make this mocking is, he was trying to promote his business by bridging it with the religion (OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND), but then as you said, he should know about the situation of his business. He should arrange the resource about how to give the $$ back to customers

otherwise, either god is cheating us or 李卓民牧師 cheating us

To be fair, I do believe 李卓民牧師 must have some reasons for this action, and I am hoping that he can give explanation to us and to the ones who really believe that GOD, bring this "gift" to them



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